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Making Buildings, Cars and Planes From Materials Based on Plant Fibres (economist.com)

Materials-science researchers are finding that plant fibres can add durability and strength to substances already used in the construction of buildings and in goods that range from toys and furniture to cars and aircraft. From a report: A big bonus is that, because plants lock up carbon in their structure, using their fibres to make things should mean less carbon dioxide is emitted. The production of concrete alone represents some 5% of man-made global CO{-2} emissions, and making 1kg of plastic from oil produces 6kg of the greenhouse gas. Start with the carrots. These are being investigated by Mohamed Saafi at Lancaster University, in England. Dr Saafi and his colleagues do not use whole carrots, but rather what they call "nanoplatelets" that have been extracted from carrots discarded by supermarkets or as waste from food-processing factories. Sugar-beet peelings are also a useful source of nanoplatelets.

The researchers are working with CelluComp, a British firm that produces such platelets for industrial applications, including as an additive that helps toughen the surface of paint as it dries. Each platelet is only a few millionths of a metre across. It consists of a sheet of stiff cellulose fibres. Although the fibres are minute, they are strong. By combining platelets with other materials a powerful composite can be produced. Dr Saafi is mixing the platelets into cement, which is made by burning limestone and clay together at high temperature. To turn cement into concrete it is mixed with aggregates such as sand, stones and crushed rocks, which act as reinforcement, and with water, which reacts with the chemicals in the cement to form a substance called calcium silicate hydrate. This starts off as a thick gel, but then hardens into a solid matrix that binds the aggregates together.

51 comments

  1. Yeah, Good, wooden huts, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    like we were fucking Navi'is. Die and go to hell!

    1. Re:Yeah, Good, wooden huts, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Handbaskets are made of plant fibers. Have you looked around lately?

    2. Re:Yeah, Good, wooden huts, by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      like we were fucking Navi'is.

      I guess that's a rule 34 thing there?

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    3. Re: Yeah, Good, wooden huts, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets all get together and try to build something out of wood. I will post the results. Stay tuned fucking retards.

  2. Soy-insulated cabling... by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hrm, I don't know about you, but aren't we already having problems with little critters loving to eat the soy-insulating cabling modern cars use? They love the stuff and eat it up, causing short circuits galore.

    Now people are suggesting continuing the practice and using it in buildings and cars? Seems like a potential case of being eaten (literally!) out of house and home.

    And I know there's a joke about parking "in the wrong neighbourhood" and finding your car stripped, but now it seems it will literally start to happen. Park in the wrong spot, and you'll have fed all the little critters in the neighbourhood with your now swiss-cheese like car.

    1. Re:Soy-insulated cabling... by MoralCharacter · · Score: 1

      As I understand it - the soy insulation was primarily made from tasty soy, thus easily palatable. From the article it sounds like they're taking the celullose alone and mixing it into things like paint or concrete. I think eating concrete is a bit beyond rodents capabilities at least.

    2. Re:Soy-insulated cabling... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      I think eating concrete is a bit beyond rodents capabilities at least.

      Yeah, not so much.

    3. Re:Soy-insulated cabling... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Nobody even has to chew on the wiring. That plastic is garbage and it deteriorates severely with age and heat cycles. It's a serious problem for the first vehicles made with it, now.

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    4. Re:Soy-insulated cabling... by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      It is a huge pain in the ass, the wiring in a few of mine has turned into toothpaste like goo

  3. If the US went back to sane laws... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And stopped making lye difficult to purchase in any quantity, we could replace cement/concrete with geopolymer recipes such as:Anemone55's[1] geopolymer recipe using lye, type-f flyash (a waste product from coal fired powerplants), waterglass, and aggregate/sand. One of the benefits of the formula being that it uses existing materials that are byproducts of other industrial production without requiring as large of amounts of energy to break the limestone back down.

    1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Float...

    1. Re:If the US went back to sane laws... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lye is trivially easy to make yourself. All you need is some some water, some wood, and fire.

      Just be careful not to splash any on yourself when you're doing the re-pours, or you'll end up with some very nasty chemical burns...

    2. Re:If the US went back to sane laws... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      lye difficult to purchase in any quantity

      When I was dicking around with biodiesel I bought a big sack of lye for approximately nothing. The part I've still got is in a five gallon bucket. I bought corrosive stickers for it because I am a nerd.

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  4. Trump in Club Fed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No golfing, I'm afraid.

    Prison time will be good for him.

  5. Composites are not environmentally friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no way to separate these composites into recyclable materials. They will be full of additives to prevent rot. They are not environmentally friendly just because they're in part made from plants.

    1. Re: Composites are not environmentally friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you suggest for the long-term?

      This looks like progress, of a sort.

  6. Unfortunately for Trump... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't make Federal Prison out of plant based materials.

  7. It will all be done in javascript by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like micro idiot is doing with office 365. Yes they have been re writting office 365 in javascript. see where there is no discussion allowed below. yes we are being censored because this site is owned by micro idiot.

  8. patent it by bugs2squash · · Score: 2

    time to patent making bricks with straw

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    1. Re:patent it by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      Time to patent making buildings out of wood.

      So many /. stories are so lame these days....

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    2. Re:patent it by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Or just the straw alone...

      But watch out for the big, bad, wolf. This is turning into a classic story after all

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    3. Re:patent it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those are called Cob Buildings

    4. Re:patent it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "But watch out for the big, bad, wolf."

      "Arrivederci piggy numero uno."

    5. Re:patent it by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      The irony is that straw bale houses are very strong. If be tempted if I could get the land, the finance, was better at DIY, and was a bit fitter so I didn't break myself.

    6. Re:patent it by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If it's any consolation, I got the reference - and I'm an atheist.

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  9. I would like to grow... by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    ... transistors!!

  10. Dumpster-dived plane parts? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    but rather what they call "nanoplatelets" that have been extracted from carrots discarded by supermarkets

    Between this and the smaller bathrooms I feel like the airlines are going a bit too far.

  11. Yeah, yeah. I know. by PPH · · Score: 1

    Make everything out of hemp. You stoners need to get a life.

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    1. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by bonedonut · · Score: 1

      Hemp and Marijuana are not the same thing. And yes, hemp fiber is very useful in a lot of applications. But i guess reefer madness is a better approach, eh?

    2. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by PPH · · Score: 1

      Hemp and Marijuana are not the same thing.

      Industrial hemp crops are great cover for growing some of the more psychoactive varieties in between the rows.

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    3. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thnk Cheech and Chong tried to make a car out of weed.

    4. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No they aren't. Not in any way. They compete for the same nutrients, they look completely different except for general leaf shape, and hemp isn't sex-segregated.

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    5. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Industrial hemp crops are great cover for growing some of the more psychoactive varieties in between the rows.

      Real estate is a great way to launder money too.

      Then again the hops in beer are part of the Cannabaceae family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... So let's just make everything illegal while we're at it, amirite?

      You need to study up on some history to see why hemp was made illegal in the first place.

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    6. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real estate is a great way to launder money too.

      Neither real estate nor money is illegal.

    7. Re:Yeah, yeah. I know. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Real estate is a great way to launder money too.

      Neither real estate nor money is illegal.

      But money laundering is, That's my point. But making hemp illegal is like making money illegal. Hemp does not get you high - there's no point in smoking it. Hops in beer has more of a psychoactive aspect than hemp.

      The whole hemp scandal was based on businesses using different substances to make rope, seizing on hemp's relationship to maryjuuwanna in order to get a market edge. The succeeded magnificently, a textbook casse of govenmrent/corporate mutual masturbation in order to put a competitor out of business.

      Hemp is not maryjuuwanna, hemp is not psychoactive, certainly less so than tobacco - if a person was foolish enough to smoke hemp, they might consider smoking oregano.

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  12. Nerds discover adobe isn't just a software company by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

    Heavy stuff.

  13. Not the 1st time this has been tried... by aklinux · · Score: 1

    If one looks at history, several decades ago Henry Ford experimented with making automobile fenders with a plastic-like substance based on soybeans.

    1. Re:Not the 1st time this has been tried... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Trabant was made from pressed panels, the problem is the plastics and epoxies needed to seal them from degradation, duroplast, plastic with organic fibres

    2. Re:Not the 1st time this has been tried... by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      The other issue was it was a Trabant

    3. Re:Not the 1st time this has been tried... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Can't recycle composites yet. Though Ford's hemp-reinforced soy plastic could probably have been cleanly incinerated for heat energy...

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  14. Aircraft by mcswell · · Score: 1

    Robur the Conqueror (a character in the eponymous book by Jules Verne) built his heavier than air flying machine out of straw paper, IIRC.

  15. Ain't need no carrots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best plant fiber is known for millennia and is called wood. You can build anything from wood fibre arranged like plywood, up to transatlantic bombers.

    1. Re:Ain't need no carrots by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      I don't recall the B-36, Tu-55, B-52, Me 264, etc. being made of wood

    2. Re:Ain't need no carrots by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of the De Havilland Mosquito? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    3. Re:Ain't need no carrots by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      I have several books, including out-of-print ones on it. It wasn't capable of transatlantic range.

  16. Wasn't the Trabant body palstic + by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    cotton/wool?

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  17. Birds are smart. Be like a bird by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Plant fibers add strength to building materials. This is news? This is fucking news? Birds have known about this for millions of years.

  18. Not nano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what they call "nanoplatelets"

    Each platelet is only a few millionths of a metre across.

    So, you know, micro, not nano by three orders of magnitude.

  19. Can this tech be applied... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to tonewoods? Like the mahogany in a Gibson Les Paul, that is endangered? Could this provide an alternate to this wood which is often importing illegally.

  20. Good news as we are running out of sand by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    We are running out of sand usable for concrete rapidly. Already there are illegal sand cartels and people have been killed over it. Uncounted numbers of people die or are permanently injured collecting it in India.

    Before you ask or comment... sand in desert can't be used. It's round. The sound required for concrete is angular and sharp so it locks together.

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  21. It has been done. by Agripa · · Score: 1

    Fiber reinforced composite materials using nitrocellulose have been used for decades.

  22. you mean like, wood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we have been doing this for a very long time already, thanks...