US Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos's Elizabeth Holmes, Ramesh Balwani (wsj.com)

John Carreyrou, reporting for WSJ: Federal prosecutors filed criminal charges against Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes and the blood-testing company's former No. 2 executive, alleging that they defrauded investors out of hundreds of millions of dollars and also defrauded doctors and patients. The indictments of Ms. Holmes and Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani, Theranos's former president and chief operating officer who was also Ms. Holmes's boyfriend, are the culmination of a two-and-a-half-year investigation by the U.S. attorney's office in San Francisco, sparked by articles in The Wall Street Journal that raised questions about the company's technology and practices. Ms. Holmes, 34 years old, and Mr. Balwani, 53, were charged with two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and nine counts of wire fraud in an indictment handed up Thursday and unsealed Friday.

Comments

"Boyfriend"

[iMadeGhostzilla]

She sacrificed everything for her ambition.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[GrumpySteen]

Including the patients whose tests were sent to Theranos

Re:"Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, she just thought she'd get a lock on her money through her choice of honey. Seldom if ever a good idea, though.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[iMadeGhostzilla]

That I can comprehend, to her the patients were abstract, she probably never saw any. But as a woman, to give her youth and her looks to an unattractive, unremarkable looking man so she can get her scheme going... there is something profoundly sad about that.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

That I can comprehend, to her the patients were abstract, she probably never saw any. But as a woman, to give her youth and her looks to an unattractive,

Nonsense, if anything she's a bagger with (lots of) sound proofing. There is something profoundly sad about anyone who thinks she's hot.

unremarkable looking man so she can get her scheme going... there is something profoundly sad about that.

At least the two of them have great chemistry both being total shitheads and all.

Re: "Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

Hold on a moment... the main thing that makes her physically unattractive are her disturbing eyes. Besides that, sheâ(TM)s still a skinny young blonde with smooth skin.

Now, this Balwani guy used to be married to a Japanese lady. In most cases, Japanese ladies are fairly kinky and enjoy being tied up and blindfolded. So by extension, thatâ(TM)s probably how Holmes and Balwani do it.

Naked and bound with a blindfold covering up those disturbing eyes probably makes it okay since sheâ(TM)s still young, skinny, smooth, and blonde. Donâ(TM)t you think?

At least until she moans with her manly voice...

Re:"Boyfriend"

[SNRatio]

The tests were done ... just not with the equipment she said she developed.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

Talk about triggered.

As a woman, I thought the GP was entirely appropriate.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

What her patients were to her is something you don't and can't know.

Of course we can know. There is ample reporting she knew the testing was often inaccurate. It doesn't take a Stanford degree to extrapolate her fraud to the harm it caused patients.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

uh, she wore black turtlenecks because of cargo-cult tendencies relating to steve jobs. this isn't hard to know because she said it over and over again.

your weird projection about how she wore black to hide her beauty is your own problem. save up your sheckels, go talk to a therapist and stop posting stupid shit online.

Re: "Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

She's a grunter. Definitely a grunter.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[iMadeGhostzilla]

It works across the board. Socrates said, "It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

This is a tech board but it doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss human nature, and that's impossible without speculation.

Re:"Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

misogynistic and don't have a place here.

LOL, newb.

Re: "Boyfriend"

[Anonymous Coward]

She has a fat face

Criminal charges for investors

[rsilvergun]

and squat for the patients she defrauded. Figures.

Re:Criminal charges for investors

[Anonymous Coward]

Civil suits tend to come after in a case like this when someone is charged with wire fraud. Criminal law is totally separate for a reason which you ought to respect.

When Trump goes to prison, you're going to see a shit tonne of civil suits - Enough to build a 3000 mile wall with ease, oh and Trump will be paying for this for the rest of his naturally self-incarcerated life, lol.
   

Re:Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

Gotta prosecute em all! I can't wait to see what Ivanka will be wearing in Supermax, Sassy Red or Summer Orange?

Now what?

[Notabadguy]

The other day, Slashdot had an article that she's going around Silicon Valley raising money for whatever her new scam is. I wonder if this will dampen her prospects.

Re:Now what?

[Notabadguy]

Link for context: https://science.slashdot.org/s...

Re:Now what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Shes young, kinda cute, and rich she's gonna be just fine.

Re:Now what?

[OneHundredAndTen]

Is she still rich?

Re:Now what?

[fluffernutter]

Born into a rich family, so, yes.

Re:Now what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Her voice is a total turn off. It completely nullifies any urge a strait male would have to boink her. If you know that she has a deep voice you would think, ok, a deep voice for girl is not an unattractive trait. You are imaging a sexy croaky raspy voice like Kate Mulgrew. You are imagining wrong. Holmes does not have deep voice for a girl, she has a man voice.

Re:Now what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you sure? I thought she was Texas trailer trash.

Re:Now what?

[serviscope_minor]

The other day, Slashdot had an article that she's going around Silicon Valley raising money for whatever her new scam is. I wonder if this will dampen her prospects.

I hear that if you scam enough people and go bankrupt enough times you can become president.

Re: Now what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Prep school -> Stanford. Dad's a spook, mom's a congressional staffer. Establishment to the bone.

So whom did she offend to get her upper class immunity from the law revoked?

Re: Now what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just using your pussy pass will not do it.

Charges != Convictions

[Anonymous Coward]

And Twitler will probably pardon her, just like he's pardoned all the other scumbags who crawled up and sucked his cock.

Has Steve Jobs ever spent time in jail?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just asking - since she's imitated so much of his schtick already, I'm wondering if she'll know how to act when she gets sent to the big gray bed and breakfast.

Actual Indictment

[HockeyPuck]

All the juicy details are in the indictment.

Re:Actual Indictment

[moehoward]

Both the summary and the indictment are interesting reads. Mostly because it is ironclad. IANAL (at least not anymore), but I see no other option than for these two to plead guilty and make a deal. They will have to pay, not engage in the industry or raising capital, and avoid prison time.

The best outcome, from my point of view, would be if they came clean and admitted the full scope of the scam. It took me 5 minutes of Google research to figure out their scheme when I first heard of Theranos way back when. I think that I read that Sergey Brin and others did the same smell test as me and avoided them like hell.

There is basic statistics and science that simply cannot be overcome. You need a certain amount of blood to perform each type of test. There are SOME tests that can be done with very little blood (blood sugar is a good example). But most certainly not all of those claimed.

Re:Actual Indictment

[Raenex]

They will have to pay, not engage in the industry or raising capital, and avoid prison time.

Avoid prison time? Are you kidding me? Aside from the defrauding people out of billions, they recklessly endangered the lives and health of the people who relied on their tests. "Pharma Bro" got 7 years in prison, and he ended up making money for those that invested.

Its About Time

[careysub]

Many here (and elsewhere, in the Real World) noted the bizarre disconnect between the treatment of Martin Shkreli (who deserved what he got, and more) and Elizabeth Holmes who was running a far vaster scheme to defraud but mysteriously seemed to escape any real personal consequences. A lot of that had to do with they way she smartly spread money around, getting a lot of movers and shakers on the board so that they could have a cut of the pie, and intercede on her behalf.

The news that she was getting funding for another scheme... err start-up... was flabbergasting. It is about time that her shenanigans caught up with her so that perhaps she will pay a real price, not just cough up (most of) her ill gotten gains.

Re:Its About Time

[whoever57]

Even more bizarre, Holmes was ripping off rich people. That usually has serious consequences.

However, perhaps in this case, what happened was that she took money from VCs, who only expect something like 1 in 10 investments to pay off. So, really, it was business as normal for the VCs.

Re:Its About Time

[Anonymous Coward]

However, perhaps in this case, what happened was that she took money from VCs, who only expect something like 1 in 10 investments to pay off. So, really, it was business as normal for the VCs.

You have felony theft of how much money, plus reckless endangerment of human lives. That is one person that clearly deserves to be locked up for the rest of her life without the possibility of parole.

We are stunned when a white collar crime gets locked up, yet complain when a black football star bends his knee to protest how easily African American kids are killed by cops.

We are being conditioned to think that if you have enough money the rules do not apply to you and that is sad.

Re:Its About Time

[quantaman]

Many here (and elsewhere, in the Real World) noted the bizarre disconnect between the treatment of Martin Shkreli (who deserved what he got, and more) and Elizabeth Holmes who was running a far vaster scheme to defraud but mysteriously seemed to escape any real personal consequences.

I'm not sure that's true. Investigations move slowly, Shkreli wasn't charged for hiking the price on the drug, he was charged for financial crimes several years earlier. Based on when the malfeasance was discovered I think the investigation into Holmes actually moved faster.

As for the reputation, Holmes seems to have been an unusually successful con-artist. Shkreli actually seemed to delight in trolling the public.

Re:Its About Time

[Anonymous Coward]

Many here (and elsewhere, in the Real World) noted the bizarre disconnect between the treatment of Martin Shkreli (who deserved what he got, and more) and Elizabeth Holmes who was running a far vaster scheme to defraud but mysteriously seemed to escape any real personal consequences. A lot of that had to do with they way she smartly spread money around, getting a lot of movers and shakers on the board so that they could have a cut of the pie, and intercede on her behalf.

The news that she was getting funding for another scheme... err start-up... was flabbergasting. It is about time that her shenanigans caught up with her so that perhaps she will pay a real price, not just cough up (most of) her ill gotten gains.

The reason why she was treated differently is because she's a woman. She'll probably get a slap on the wrist and never see prison time.

Re:Its About Time

[Anonymous Coward]

#PussyPass my friend

Re:Its About Time

[sacrilicious]

b-but... she's a GIRL.

Re: Its About Time

[Anonymous Coward]

Martha Stewart did far less and served time.

Re:Its About Time

[hey!]

I'm not sure what the complaint here is. Holmes was indicted after a two year-long investigation of Theranos; it so happens the first hard information showing Theranos was fraudulent came out a little more than two years ago, so the investigation started pretty much as soon as it came to the attention of the prosecutor's office.

Shkreli's company MSMB Capital Management was revealed to be Ponzi scheme in 2011, when it couldn't cover a naked short sale it fraudulently claimed it could, and it took four years to indict him for that, and it was at least two years before the US Atty even opened an investigation. During that time Shkreli started a second Ponzi scheme hoping to pay off the first, and that collapsed too.

The only reason justice for Shkreli seemed swift was that he was in the public eye just before the indictment hammer fell for his dick-ish pharma moves, but that's not what they got him on. Holmes was indicted roughly twice as fast as Shkreli.

Re:Its About Time

[superwiz]

A lot of that had to do with they way she smartly spread money around.

Well, it worked for Zuckerberg. When it was discovered that he probably sold the company long before he even started, he made a $100mil donation to "Newark School System." None of it went to any Newark schools. For $100mil you can build that whole system from scratch. Population of all of Newark is only 200,000 people. All the money went to "consultants". Which means Zuch pretty much bribed the Democratic party to make sure Facebook wasn't taken away from him.

Re:Its About Time

[thegarbz]

Martin Shkreli (who deserved what he got, and more)

Oh wow. I somehow completely missed that. I hope that he's sharing a cell with someone hung like a horse.

Re: Its About Time

[Anonymous Coward]

Racist divide & conquer. End police brutality to all colors of people.

John Carreyrou

[Jodka]

"sparked by articles in The Wall Street Journal that raised questions about the company's technology and practices."

Those articles were written by John Carreyrou who is interviewed about Theranos by Nick Gillespie in this video. The video also provides a lot of background information. I was already familiar with the story but still found the video fascinating.

Additionally, Carreyrou has a new book out about Theranos, Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup. Have not read that, but it gets 5/5 stars with currently 257 customer reviews at Amazon.

Re:John Carreyrou

[BigDukeSix]

I've read the book. The details are so much worse than anything you have read in the news articles about Theranos.

Theranos never developed *anything*. Their automated super-high-tech lab system was a commercially available 3-axis glue dispenser that they stuck pipettes onto. I tried to imagine what it must have been like as a new hire, getting fed the "change the world" crap and signing on with the company, and then seeing the cover opened on that kludge for the first time.

But of course almost no one saw the working innards of the machine, because Balwani the too old boyfriend created a compartmentalized, CIA like structure where no one was allowed to talk to each other. The engineers building the system's microfluidics weren't allowed to talk to the biochemists who were working on the tests. How could that possibly work?

And then anyone who questioned the plan or the message got fired. So many people got fired; whole teams got fired. People went on demos and saw them fail! Any mention of failure? Fired.

IMO, the one person most responsible for this whole debacle who has not yet been held to account is Channing Robertson, who was a senior engineering faculty at Stanford and upon whose bona fides this whole thing started. He may not be legally responsible, but he's the adult in the room who first bought the hype, and he HAD TO have known that the whole damn thing was vaporware. "Fake it til you make it" is not okay in medicine.

the real crime is lab test duopoly

[Anonymous Coward]

worst part about all this is that there likely will not be another funded cheap/home/mass-produced lab-test replacement for years if not decades

right now there is a huge duopoly in the USA, the prices are terrible but if you have insurance you are probably insulated from the true cost and how it is hurting people

Re:the real crime is lab test duopoly

[Pinky's Brain]

It's curious how only a completely desperate company was willing to jump into that market, what's the big hurdle preventing other companies from trying?

Re:the real crime is lab test duopoly

[superwiz]

She didn't "jump" into the market. She created the myth of doing cheaper blood tests, but she did it by not doing test and just sending back fake results. What's preventing other companies from doing that? Fear of the law mostly.

Holmes a criminal? Who knew!

[quonset]

Anyone who didn't see she was ripping people off, from the beginning, deserves what they got. From day one she never showed how her system was supposed to work, never submitted any evidence to the FDA to show it worked, and never allowed anyone to try and reproduce her work. If those aren't alarm bells, you're deaf.

Re:Holmes a criminal? Who knew!

[moehoward]

I do tend to agree.... to an extent.

Yes, the stupid investors and idiots like Kissinger, Schultz, Boies, and Foege were complicit by lack of due diligence. For god's sake... Foege???? CDC director could not do basic science in his head to see this was a fraud???? Un-freak-ing believable. Boies??? Really? So, I don't see why these dudes are not indicted as well. They are not THAT stupid, but that seems to be exactly their stance. "I was too dumb to know it was a scam." Really....

On the investor's part. Yeah. Due diligence is part of the process. For them to get even a dollar from me as an investor, they would have to take a drop of blood from me and run 25 tests right in front of me on their Mystery Machine(tm). Any investor who didn't do so deserves to provide me with every dime they own. Suckers.

Re: Holmes a criminal? Who knew!

[evil_aaronm]

Hey! I *am* deaf, you insensitive clod! Even with that, I smelled scam from the outset. Partly because âoetoo good to be true,â and I also have some experience working in the blood testing business at one of the big boys in the industry. Given the resources our company put into our product, I was pretty sure she couldnâ(TM)t accomplish the same thing the way she was doing it.

Re:Holmes a criminal? Who knew!

[Anonymous Coward]

These big dick investors were indeed dumb because they were thinking with their dicks, all impressed by a good looking young brainy beauty. Turns out the beauty is also a lil crooked in nature.
And you white nerds call *India* a shithole.

-- Confused Indian.

Re:Holmes a criminal? Who knew!

[Anonymous Coward]

Isn't a huge problem in India the fact that millions of rural people literally shit in the open?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/world/asia/india-toilet-movie.html

About time

[boundandgaggedwomen]

About time this criminal bitch and her minions to be prosecuted!

no, No, NO

[Anonymous Coward]

She is an innovator! An entrepreneur! A member of the Gifted Class! Continue to bow down to your great meritocratic betters, you ungrateful poors!

She should be charged with grand theft, too

[Anonymous Coward]

for stealing my heart

XoXo Izzy

Re: She should be charged with grand theft, too

[Anonymous Coward]

You can't get her voice out of your head, I see.

Of course not.

[Anonymous Coward]

Land of the free to be defrauded, home of the bravely litigious.

" two-and-a-half-year investigation "

[Anonymous Coward]

Just ridiculous it took Trump so damn long to end this obvious scam. Trump doesn't give a damn about the people.

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

Iâ(TM)ve met downs syndrome kids who think they are on a trip to the moon and they still have a firmer grasp of reality than you

What happened to you that made you such a delusional mess?

What are you going to do to try and fix yourself? Or is suicide in 2-3 years your only chance to finally meet reality?

Trump pardon in 3,2,1...

[GameboyRMH]

I'm sure Trump will be quick to pardon fellow swindlers who were unfairly targeted by the justice system just because they were committing crimes.

Re:Trump pardon in 3,2,1...

[sdinfoserv]

she doesn't have any money left. There's no value in pardoning her.

Except she's a democrat.

[Anonymous Coward]

no pardon.

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

Dominionism, aka Christian sharia is indeed a thing. Who's the deluded one?

Move fast and break things

[sphealey]

1. Move fast
2. Break things
3. Ignore laws
4. Beg for forgiveness not permission
5. ???
6. Go to prison

Any words of wisdom for Uber HQ employees?

Re:Move fast and break things

[Anonymous Coward]

5. Send people to the hospital with false positives.

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

Loool you need special help

Holmes kept her head down

[rsilvergun]

Shkreli riled up the poors. There was a real danger he was going to become a rallying cry that lead to government regulation of drug prices or, worse, single payer health care. And he just would not stop. He wasn't punished for doing anything illegal. He was punished for raising the cackles of the working class. I almost think he was doing it on purpose. Poe's law. I mean, somebody _had_ to have told him that if he'd just shut up they'd let him off easy.

Re: Holmes kept her head down

[Anonymous Coward]

Cackle? We're you eating mercury hats this morning?

Re:Holmes kept her head down

[Anonymous Coward]

if you watch some of his livestreams, he advocated for Australian style universal healthcare.

Re: Holmes kept her head down

[Anonymous Coward]

UK style is better.

Re:Holmes kept her head down

[Anonymous Coward]

That literally his goal, though. Drug prices are stupid, the insurance companies pay for them, so he jacked up the drug prices but said if you're paying for it out of pocket you can have it for $1. His goal was to reform the drug pricing system and the PTB demonized him for it.

Re: "The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[Anonymous Coward]

Shut up and be butthurt because an unaligned piece of swamp trash who has sucked cock on both sides of the aisle is going to prison for charges completely unrelated to muh Russia, Drumpfkin.

LOL

[Anonymous Coward]

This is what happens when you #trustwomen.

Lets hope she gets sentenced to life in prison.

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, totalitarian theocracy is an actual thing. A thing that almost nobody wants.

You need to have a reality check. Only proponents of Islam are seeking theocracies world wide - both passively and actively - in any sort of numbers to be meaningful enough to worry about.

Stop watching the Handmaiden's Tale. It's giving you silly ideas. (note: calling it Christian sharia is ridiculous - don't conflate religions to promote your ideological hatred).

I have extra popcorn

[Snotnose]

If any of you would like to join me.

Re: "The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, what was that? All I could hear was the dick noise you're making while you fellate yourself.

No, but seriously. Manafort's charges have nothing to do with his work with Trump. As evidenced by the very public wikipedia page (and you can bet your ass if there was even the slightest connection that it would be listed in bold capital letters).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort#Arrest_and_indictments

Re: "The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[Anonymous Coward]

Trump is a traitor, Manafort is already singing in the prison shower. Trump will die in prison next to his bitch traitor sons and ugly mannequin daughter.

Re:Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

We don't need a Witch Hunt.

What we need now is a Dominionist Hunt.

If science has the answer, and it is real science that is credible and peer reviewed, then it should be used to make policy. For instance global warming/climate change is a real thing. If science doesn't have an absolute answer, then sure turn to faith for the rest.

We have the ability to reason, regardless of how we got it. It seems an awfully bad idea not to use it.

Too many politicians seem to want you to "Believe me" or believe way over simplified theories like tax cuts increase government income every time. I suppose believing unfounded theories comes with being indoctrinated in many religions, but when science says the explanation is bunk, then at some point you have to go with reason.

I want my politicians to not expect a higher power to bail them out; to lead and to live as if this is our one and only Earth, and we have to preserve it for future generations, not assume some all powerful force will keep us from mucking it up too bad. In short politicians should work towards making life on Earth better with the best information and science that is available, and only when science doesn't provide the answer is it time to consider religion, and even then you have to consider that not everyone believes the same thing.

PENANCE!

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd put her over my knee and spank her, but she'd have to call me daddy.

Hmm. burn

[Anonymous Coward]

fuck the eyes and teeth Baldwanni guy,
but Holmes, burn bitch burn, as you go down. Remember the lives you ruined, the promises made, the lies, the WOMEN YOU REPRESENT and how your evil ways have tarnished their reputations.. The likes of carly fioreina, meg whitman, that dumb bitch whom fucked yahoo, the list goes on and on..

Re: "The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[Anonymous Coward]

MAGA will persist

Of course it will, because the MAGA crowd found in Trump the exercise-averse incestuous child-fucker that they've always identified with.

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[sound vision]

Not entirely sure what the reference is but I'm looking more towards the heads of state, and others in positions of power who justify their laws and policies with, for example, direct quotes from the ancient Christian holy texts... And often nothing else. Recognize that reference?

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISO

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope you just made it up like a typical leftie asshole.

Karma

[sdinfoserv]

is a bitch.

Re:Why did this take so long

[sdinfoserv]

Reagan raised taxes 11 times when it became clear that trickle down (aka voodoo) economics didn't work. The difference today the Oligarchy truly doesn't want anything to "trickle down", they want to keep every last drop for themselves...

Obama allowed America to pollute more than China

[Anonymous Coward]

Obama did nothing to stop Americans using more coal than the Chinese ffs. At least Trump got some votes out of it. Why didn't Obummer do anything about it?

Magicleap?

[Anonymous Coward]

The popcorn's still hot...

Re:Why did this take so long

[Anonymous Coward]

The issue that I really have with you is that you're fucking dumb. TARP bailouts for banks and auto manufacturers came from the Bush administration. Do you dumb shit Republicans ever take responsibility for how totally fucking corrupt you really are, and for how completely you are destroying the world?

Re: "The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[Anonymous Coward]

Manafort's charges have nothing to do with his work with Trump.

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. 600.4(a).

600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a) Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

Couldn't have happened to a hotter sociopath.

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, the more I read about her, the more I think she's a total and complete sociopathic narcissist.

Re:Couldn't have happened to a hotter sociopath.

[superwiz]

That's slander against sociopathic narcissists

Re:Why did this take so long

[CaffeinatedBacon]

"Sorry we can't prosecute you because Bush gave you some money" Is that basically your argument? Because that's stupid.

Re:Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[superwiz]

Shut up, Hillary!

Re:"The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[superwiz]

Shut up, Hillary.

Get a room

[Anonymous Coward]

You two get a room.... oh right, I see you share cubicle space at the troll farm.

Re:Why did this take so long

[serviscope_minor]

Why did this take so long

it didn't. The collapse started 3 years ago. In white collar cases start of collapse to criminal charges in 3 years is blindingly fast.

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

This guy works for Trump. It's a viral PR campaign to make all Democrat party advocates look like deranged, petulant imbeciles.

Re: Why did this take so long

[Anonymous Coward]

Bushbama is Bushbama.

What a waste of talent...

[Anonymous Coward]

She should have just done clown porn to make money.

Re: "The Art of the Plea Deal" - By Michael Cohen

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, and how does this relate Manafort's specific charges (not possible future charges) with his work with Trump?

(and where is this from? at least give a source otherwise it is 100% bullshit without you even needing to respond)

Re:Why did this take so long

[Anonymous Coward]

That TARP that Obama asked for and then rebranded as his own bailout? You mean that TARP?

Re: Moscow Donald's Campaign Manager is IN PRISON

[Anonymous Coward]

...to make all Democrat party advocates look like deranged, petulant imbeciles.

I'm not seeing anything that tells me that they aren't...

Companies ruined or almost ruined by Indians

[NewYork]

Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Apple - Foreign guest worker "Helen" Hung Ma caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
Microsoft - Lian Yang, Microsoft-Contracted Engineer, Arrested in Smuggling Plot After Another FBI Sting in Portland in 2010
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
Skype ( Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
United - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
Visium Asset Management - Sanjay Valvani Insider trading
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

Re:Why did this take so long

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So if we're lucky Robert Mueller might be finished with his investigation just before Trump's second term starts.

Urgh.