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America's Former CTO Remembers Historic Coders (bard.edu)

Long-time Slashdot reader theodp writes: In her Bard College commencement speech, ex-Google VP and former U.S. CTO Megan Smith revealed to graduates that she gave President Obama a computing history lesson on the same day he learned to code in 2014. "I walked into the Oval Office to do coding with President Obama, and, interestingly, Prince William had just stepped out," Smith explained (YouTube). "They had just had a meeting. I said to President Obama, you know what you and I are about to do is related to Prince William, and he said, how's that. Well, the Prince's wife Kate, her mother and grandmother were codebreakers at Bletchley Park, where they cracked the Nazi Enigma codes...." [Presumably Smith meant to say Kate's great-aunt, not mother — Carole Middleton wasn't born until 1955.]

To be fair to the President, Smith once confessed to not knowing much about computing history herself, explaining in a 2012 Official Google Blog post that she and other visiting tech luminaries were embarrassingly clueless about who Ada Lovelace was in a 2011 visit to England. "Last year, a group of us were lucky enough to visit the U.K. Prime Minister's residence at 10 Downing Street, as part of the Silicon Valley Comes to the U.K. initiative," Smith wrote. "While there, we asked about some of the paintings on the wall. When we got to a large portrait of a regally dressed woman, our host said 'and of course, that's Lady Lovelace'... You can imagine our surprise when we learned she was considered by some to be the world's first computer programmer -- having published the first algorithm intended for use on Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine." One imagines Smith might also have been surprised to learn that many programmers older than Smith were already very aware of Lady Ada at that time thanks to the Department of Defense, who tried in vain to make Ada a household name for decades, but had little success popularizing the Ada programming language, which was named after Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace.

93 comments

  1. Blind leading the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Former CTO? No wonder Google sucks.

  2. He played The Left like a fiddle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn he's good!

  3. Coding lesson by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    she gave President Obama a computing history lesson on the same day he learned to code in 2014.

    I'm curious. Do any of you know if President Trump has learned to code? And if so, in which language would he work?

    Since he's considered by many to be the highest-IQ president ever, I assume this would have been an easy task for him.

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    1. Re:Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highest IQ - yet is afraid to release his transcripts. Apparently he's not as smart as we were led to believe. So sure he's high IQ, at the American level.

      I assume she taught him BASIC. And the fact that she didn't know who Ada Lovelace was is an indictment of American education.

    2. Re:Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Programming is never an easy task. It is like writing most people can learn to program (~3 month for the first language,just like for writing), close to nobody is Marcel Proust. It takes decades to be like Marcel Proust, nearly nobody puts enough effort to reach a proficiency level (10 years).

      It is never about having a gift, it is about working harder than everybody else.

    3. Re:Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has Trump ever tweeted using an emoji? Then he hasn't learned to code.

      Has slashcode ever printed an emoji? Then it hasn't ever learned to unicode.

    4. Re: Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an IQ of 149 and my transcripts are almost entirely Fs. Education is not intelligence.

    5. Re:Coding lesson by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Since he's considered by many to be the highest-IQ president ever, I assume this would have been an easy task for him.

      Is there any actual evidence that Obama has unusually high IQ? I mean, he clearly was popular and successful, but that is rather different from high IQ.

    6. Re:Coding lesson by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Is there any actual evidence that Obama has unusually high IQ?

      First, I was talking about Trump. Second, we know Trump has a high IQ because he tells us so.

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    7. Re: Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Education is not intelligence.

      Given that PopeRatzo claims to have been a university professor himself, I'd say there's a pretty strong case there's an inverse relationship.

    8. Re:Coding lesson by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Second, we know Trump has a high IQ because he tells us so.

      You'd be amazed at all the things Trump tells you that aren't true yet still somehow help him achieve his objectives. It's almost like the guy knows something about marketing and branding!

    9. Re:Coding lesson by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You'd be amazed at all the things Trump tells you that aren't true yet still somehow help him achieve his objectives.

      He hasn't achieved a single objective that wasn't going to be achieved if he had not become president. Economy, foreign policy, unemployment. If you look at a graph, he's just continuing the trends from the Obama era.

      Trump has made a career out of saying he has achieved things that he has not. And dopes like you are lapping it up because he's sufficiently racist to make you comfortable. A reckoning is coming, though.

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    10. Re: Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus you're a fucking moron.

    11. Re:Coding lesson by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      He hasn't achieved a single objective that wasn't going to be achieved if he had not become president ... he's just continuing the trends from the Obama era.

      He lowered my taxes, he lowered my corporation's taxes, he appointed conservative justices, he's locking up illegal migrants, he's withdrawn from TPP and the Paris accords, he's repealed net neutrality and environmental regulations, and best of all, he's annoying the hell out of Europeans, socialists, and progressives. Are you saying those are just continuations of Obama's policies? Who knew!

      And dopes like you are lapping it up because he's sufficiently racist to make you comfortable

      Are you kidding? As an evil unfeeling capitalist one percenter, the only color I care about is green. As long as my workers polish my monocles quickly and cheaply, I couldn't care less what color their skin is. I do make it a point, however, to discriminate against socialists, fascists, and progressives, no matter how cheap or desperate you are: you people are evil.

    12. Re:Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He lowered my taxes, he lowered my corporation's taxes, he appointed conservative justices, he's locking up illegal migrants, he's withdrawn from TPP and the Paris accords, he's repealed net neutrality and environmental regulations, and best of all, he's annoying the hell out of Europeans, socialists, and progressives. Are you saying those are just continuations of Obama's policies? Who knew!

      Indeed, if you want to piss off progressives, setting America back 30 years is a good way to start.

      After all, weren't we GREAT when the Gipper was in office?

      (BTW we are still paying for the debt Reagan's tax cuts caused, and the subsequent debt from 30 years of failed trickle-down policy)

    13. Re: Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Undoing decades of progressive legislation is indeed a good thing.

      Reagan unfortunately didn't implement enough spending cuts, that's why we are in so much debt.

    14. Re: Coding lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No congress or president has EVER implemented meaningful spending cuts.

      It's tax-and-spend vs. borrow-and-spend (which just equals tax-later-and-spend-now).

  4. Original Mac Programmers by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Andy Hertzfeld
    Steve Capp

    These two are historic programmers.

    I don't know who came up with the event driven architecture, but these two led the way in making it mainstream.

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  5. Coding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that what used to be called software development?

    1. Re:Coding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Is that what used to be called software development?

      It's what used to be called programming, and it used to mean just the phase of the development cycle where you transcribe your algorithm into a programming language.

  6. Computer History Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is no excuse for Googlers to not know computer history. The Computer History Museum is a couple of blocks away from the GooglePlex. Both the GooglePlex and CHM are in buildings that once belonged to Silicon Graphics.
    Speaking of Ada Lovelace, the second implementation of Babbage's Difference Engine design #2 was on loan at CHM from 2008 to Jan 2016. Hand cranked, you know.

    1. Re:Computer History Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Ada Lovelace.... Hand cranked, you know.

      Most women require a bit of foreplay.

    2. Re:Computer History Museum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Ada Lovelace, the second implementation of Babbage's Difference Engine design #2

      ...has nothing to do with Ada, does it? The Difference Engine was a fixed-function unit of Babbage's design. But speaking of Ada, I feel compelled to note that

      she was considered by some to be the world's first computer programmer -- having published the first algorithm intended for use on Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine

      appears to be a rather nonsensical view of the events.

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    3. Re:Computer History Museum by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      she was considered by some to be the world's first computer programmer -- having published the first algorithm intended for use on Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine

      appears to be a rather nonsensical view of the events.

      Not according to a multitude of other sources, including the program she actually wrote which computed Bernoulli numbers.

      Eh but you know, I'll take a pissy little article from over the actual program any day!

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    4. Re:Computer History Museum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      including the program she actually wrote which computed Bernoulli numbers.

      Which appears to be rather disputed. And even people claiming that she *did* write that one are not trying to deny that it *wasn't* in fact the first program ever for the Analytical Engine.

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    5. Re:Computer History Museum by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Which appears to be rather disputed.

      In the pissy little Salon article from 1999, sure. The internet wasn't as good then and it was much harder to search for stuff. The thing is, her notes actually exist and you an go and look at them yourself and see the program with your eyes.

      And even people claiming that she *did* write that one

      She did write one. You can go and read this for yourself.

      Finally, the article is clearly biased.

      So there's an introduction and then follows with:

      Reading Ada's letters, as published in Toole's book, we're treated to a very different Ada. This one is a mother...

      In articles about male scientific luminaries, they basically never lead with descriptions of fatherhood and family life. But when it's about a femal one, that's the first thing to come up. That makes the article seem very very biased from the otuset. It then goes on about affairs and whatnot. Who the fuck cares?

      Show me the code!

      http://www.fourmilab.ch/babbag...

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    6. Re:Computer History Museum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      In the pissy little Salon article from 1999, sure.

      Which is citing other authors and sources.

      She did write one. You can go and read this for yourself.

      Yes, I can go and read things like this:

      "Ada Lovelace has sometimes been acclaimed as 'the world's first programmer' on the strength of her authorship of the notes to the Menabrea paper. This romantically appealing image is without foundation. All but one of the programs cited in her notes had been prepared by Babbage from three to seven years earlier. The exception was prepared by Babbage for her, although she did detect a 'bug' in it." -- Computing Before Computers

      In articles about male scientific luminaries, they basically never lead with descriptions of fatherhood and family life. But when it's about a femal one, that's the first thing to come up. That makes the article seem very very biased from the otuset. It then goes on about affairs and whatnot. Who the fuck cares?

      Ada was a socialite, not a "scientific luminary". So why are these mentions surprising to you? They're very relevant for her life in which math was more or less a privileged hobby.

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    7. Re:Computer History Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not according to a multitude of other sources, including the program she actually wrote which computed Bernoulli numbers.

      If it's a program, where is the code? Where are the punch cards?

      What she wrote is an algorithm, one which was never coded and never ran. So calling her a 'programmer' is a huge stretch. This doesn't diminish her actual accomplishments, but it's prudent to ask why some people want you to believe she was the first programmer.

    8. Re:Computer History Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She wrote "a" program, not "the first" program. Babbage had already written programs many starting in 1837 and hers followed the same layout. The paper she translated includes programs written by him, so how can she be the first?

      Best discussion by the top Babbage researcher - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMnkjDMMEPE

    9. Re:Computer History Museum by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Which is citing other authors and sources.

        Yeah yeah so does everyone else.

      Ada was a socialite, not a "scientific luminary". The debate is whether or not she's a scientific luminary. So why are these mentions surprising to you?

        They're not surprising because double standards with respect to men and women do not surprise me in the slightest. They are however utterly irrelevant to whether or not the claims of her contributios are true.

      math was more or less a privileged hobby.

      Ah well that clinches it! She couldn't be a "gentleman scientist" (like um Babbage for example) because she wasn't a gentleman.

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    10. Re:Computer History Museum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Yeah yeah so does everyone else.

      And yet, you still talk about "pissy little articles".

      They are however utterly irrelevant to whether or not the claims of her contributios are true.

      No, but the discussion of the claims hasn't a lot to do with Ada either, as opposed to the late 20th century/early 21th century social climate. The contributions themselves we understand quite well.

      "gentleman scientist" (like um Babbage for example)

      Babbage was the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics. He held the same post that Newton before him and Hawking after him. Yes, compared to him, she was a dilettante, in the truest sense of the word. And she was enabled to be that by...guess what, the other circumstances of her life. So again, why is it so incomprehensible that the circumstances are relevant?

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    11. Re:Computer History Museum by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      And yet, you still talk about "pissy little articles".

      Yes. The article isn't simply a bland list of facts, it has an opinion. A pissy lttle one, but an opiion nonetheless.

      No, but the discussion of the claims hasn't a lot to do with Ada either,

      Claims about a person's life achievements not having much to do with them? What?

      The contributions themselves we understand quite well.

      Apparently not.

      Babbage was the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics.

      Indeed he was! Something he achieved at age 37, whereas Lovelace died age 36. And tell me, what was Babbage before that: a gentleman scientist.

      And she was enabled to be that by...guess what, the other circumstances of her life.

      Just like everyone else. Babbage was funded by his father. He was enabled by the circumstances of his life.

      And yet with Babbage people talk about the analytical engine, but that article about Lovelave first talks about motherhood and lovers. they were both massively enabled by the circumstances of their lives, yet no one mentions that Babbage was a father. Massive double standards.

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    12. Re:Computer History Museum by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Claims about a person's life achievements not having much to do with them? What?

      Claims are claims, and facts are facts. It is one thing that we have moderately accurate records of the actual events. We should be happy for that, for we have no idea what we've lost in the accumulated history of mankind. It is an entirely different thing to take flights of fancy off of those records, though.

      but that article about Lovelave first talks about motherhood and lovers.

      That's not surprising giving the colourful life she lived. Including the booze and gambling. Of course that makes for great headlines.

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  7. “Embarrassingly clueless”? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

    More like “quick to blame others” for her lack of knowledge.

    Here’s what her blog post actually said: ”So much of world history leaves out or minimizes the contributions of women, and so “of course” most of us had no idea who she was.”

    Good grief - I went to college in the 80s, and I knew who Ada Lovelace was. How much you want to bet Smith didn’t know about Bletchley Park in 2011, either?

    In any case I’m sure Ms. Smith considers herself an expert in the field now, having likely spent several hours reading Wikipedia after her “embarrassingly clueless” European tour.

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    1. Re:“Embarrassingly clueless”? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did someone pass her this:
      http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=ada+lovelace

    2. Re:“Embarrassingly clueless”? by phantomfive · · Score: 1
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  8. Please sir, may I have more? by swell · · Score: 1

    "America's Former CTO Remembers Historic Coders"

    What a heartwarming and deeply touching story!
    Please EditorDavid, we need more nostalgia, less nitpicky geekery in our discussions.

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  9. Bill Clinton would have said to her... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I haven't come across your face before."

    LOL, heil Hitlary!

    1. Re:Bill Clinton would have said to her... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

  10. The *day* he learned to code by Spasmodeus · · Score: 1

    10 PRINT "Now I am a coder! Hail to the Chief!"
    20 GOTO 10
    RUN

    1. Re: The *day* he learned to code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      printf('I am Barrack Omamba so don't fuck with me. only my wife is allowed to do that!!!');

    2. Re: The *day* he learned to code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am the chief so everyone hail you bastards

    3. Re:The *day* he learned to code by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Trump programs in classic COBOL; he likes all capital letters and lots of GO TO's.

  11. Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, all women. No Kernighan, no Ritchie, no Thompson, no Turing, no men at all. And of course the first computer programmer is a woman, not the dude who built the fucking thing. Slashdot, this has to stop. The women you are catering to with these stories are not your audience. They already have their own web sites and only come here to salt the earth. Understand or wither away.

    1. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been interested and learning about computer history since the late 70s. Women have always had a place in computing history. No one is forcing feminism here, these are historical people who are very well known and who have had a major influence in areas most programmers are familiar with. If you go back a few decades, women were also well represented in the computing workplace as well.

      As for who slashdot is for, it says it there right at the top. "News For Nerds". If you don't know any female nerds then you need to get out of your basement for a bit.

    2. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you insulted feminists?!? - Martha O'Hara

    3. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > If you don't know any female nerds then you need to get out of your basement for a bit.

      I'm not the AP above and I do in principle agree with you, but even you have to admit that female engineers are pretty thin on the ground, and to me it seems like that's almost entirely by their own choice. At least every company I've ever worked at has gone out of their way to hire and accommodate women engineers (far more than they would do for guys), yet there just aren't (m)any out there.

    4. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There used to be a lot more women in computing. My first technical boss was the main sysadmin and a woman, I had plenty of professors who were women, and had a woman PhD advisor. I'm not sure what really changed. I still see plenty of women in higher level software, and when I worked on medical devices there was good representation from women. But in more network oriented embedded systems, hardware or firmware, they're much more rare.

    5. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since we're just throwing out anecdotal "like evidence", at my first job, in a department of about 35 people, within 1.5 years, 4 women left to start families. You can't just make reality with your will.

    6. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      "News For Nerds". If you don't know any female nerds

      I had no idea that news for female nerds had to contain women to be interesting to them, but whatever. Anyway, pointing out gross inaccuracies is far from claiming that women didn't have a place in computing history to any reasonable person.

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    7. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No joke, they all went into liberal social studies. Because the world needed another Woman's Studies major, and not another programmer.

    8. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not say there are no notable women in computing history. I complained about someone trying to rewrite history by teaching the president "computer history" and naming only women. So fuck off, Mr. White Knight.

    9. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      As for who slashdot is for, it says it there right at the top. "News For Nerds".

      Where, exactly?

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    10. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by kenh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a student of computers in the late 70s/early 80s I was much more impressed with Grace Hopper and her famous 'nanosecond' (a 12" piece of wire that represented the distance electricity travelled in a nanosecond) and contributions to COBOL, a language that remains in use some 50 years after it's creation, than Ada Lovelace who "programmed" the first non-programmable computer.

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    11. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You can't just make reality with your will.

      When people tell me, "I believe we create our own reality," I kick them in the shin and ask, "why did you do that?"

    12. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it pretty sad when some women feel that they can't actually celebrate women's accomplishments without ignoring men's similar contributions.

      Hey fellow ladies! Want to be a programmer, ignoring your social life for months at a time to fulfill deadlines, sleeping under your desk, and being on-call remotely to fix things via the work laptop whenever your boss wants?

      Yeah... not a lot of takers unless they really love to code or prioritize upward mobility at the workplace above all else.

      Either you want a social life/family or you don't. My own mother tried to "have it all" but I'd be lying if I said it didn't interfere negatively with her family life or mental health.

      "Wanting it all" isn't about being equal, it's about being reasonable about how many hours you have in a day and how many of them you decide is worth working away from your friends and/or family for. Sexism doesn't factor in, it's about what an average human's capacity is.

      Some people are amazing and can manage the work/family or friends balance very well, but many more cannot.

    13. Re:Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Hmm, it used to be there. You're right, it's just a site for whatever now.

    14. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Both are great people, but Ada Lovelace is probably of more interest academically. Babbage had a rough idea of what his machine might be able to do, but Lady Lovelace had idea on how to use it beyond calculations. She spent most of a year translating an Italian scholarly article on the Analytical Engine into English, while including explanatory notes which were much longer than the original paper. These notes described how to program that machine along with a 'program' for computing Bernoulli numbers. The machine was only non-programmable because it didn't exist.

      I was also a big fan of Adele Goldberg, who was a co-designer of Smalltalk-80 and who came up with many of the object oriented concepts still in use today, had been president of the ACM for a few years, and was founder and CEO of Parcplace Systems.

    15. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But academically Lovelace did nothing. The thing she was translating was from a presentation by Babbage, and he had written many programs years earlier. The layout of hers follows what he had developed and never helped with development. Depending how picky you want to be her program would not even work because it used features not in the Analytical Engine at the time.

      She was the first visionary to see that a computer could do more than data tables, but certainly not the first programmer.

    16. Re: Fuck you for trying to sneak feminism in again by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Have you ever actually written anything in COBOL? As a computer language It truly sucks. FAR too verbose.

  12. Ah the glory days by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    When the programming trade was appreciated and encouraged people to become Craftsman. Then outsourcing and contracting firms turned everything into churn and burn with real programming never to be seen again nor appreciated despite the fact that it was those people like the folks at DARPA that made all of this possible including Slashdot. Could you imagine what TCP/IP would have been if it were designed by H-1B Visas under corporate contracts?

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    1. Re:Ah the glory days by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      You mean those glory days when programming was considered a menial job and farmed out to the typist pool (all ladies, of course)?

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    2. Re: Ah the glory days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before the programmer actually did any of the design and computer science was what we would mostly call theoretical (mathematical). You forgot that part, or maybe left it out because it doesn't fit your worldview.

    3. Re: Ah the glory days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They literally were typists and made punch cards. I know it's hard for you to believe, especially because the Hidden Figures movie definitely didn't omit any facts, but men designed and wrote the vast, vast majority of architecture.

      It's like saying that the guy who poured concrete invented the Hoover Dam. He didn't.

    4. Re: Ah the glory days by kenh · · Score: 1

      You confuse 'coding' with 'keypunch'

      Early programmers used coding firm, that were handed to typists, who created punch cards that were fed into the computer to tell the computer what to do.

      Trivia point: once a collection of cards, representing either a dataset or a program were completed, they would draw a thick, dark diagonal line across the top of the 'deck' so the cards could quickly be put back in order if dropped.

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  13. Life accomplishments by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    she gave President Obama a computing history lesson on the same day he learned to code in 2014.

    I'm curious. Do any of you know if President Trump has learned to code? And if so, in which language would he work?

    Since he's considered by many to be the highest-IQ president ever, I assume this would have been an easy task for him.

    I know many very high IQ people who don't know the first thing about coding. Many scientists and college professors don't know even the basics, and some of the ones that do think making a spreadsheet equation is coding.

    There's lots of easy tasks that people just don't get around to learning, or who don't find an immediate need for. I don't repair my own vehicle, for instance, even though many of the people at my local hackerspace think nothing of replacing brakes or fixing a blown head gasket.

    To them, it's straightforward and anyone can do it. "Howcome you never learned to do this?"

    It's the same with other skills like home wiring and plumbing. Many people shy away from doing electronics, while engineers at Hackaday can make complex electronics boards but can't program a microcontroller.

    (Programming a microcontroller is easy! Howcome you never learned to do it?)

    I grew up helping my dad wire homes professionally, so electronics - even high-voltage electronics (that can kill) - doesn't scare me.

    That's also a skill everyone should have - right?

    (Home wiring is easy! Howcome you never learned to do it?)

    Trump has a lot of life accomplishments, so I don't think calling him down for not having learned coding is a particularly fruitful avenue for insults.

    1. Re:Life accomplishments by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

      Trump has a lot of life accomplishments

      Being spanked by a porn star with a rolled up newspaper while his wife is home with a newborn baby is definitely a life goal of mine.

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    2. Re:Life accomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you just post just for the sake of posting? OP's point is that because of his supposed high IQ, then coding for him should be a breeze, meaning that when he's at the computer and is expected to code, then he'll pick it up very quickly. How he feels about it or the events leading up to him sitting at the computer to start coding (your point) is irrelevant. Btw, "howcome" is two words.

    3. Re: Life accomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you this insufferable in real life too?

    4. Re: Life accomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's the president of the United States of America... Literally the most powerful and technologically advanced nation to ever exist.

      Only 44 other men in 242 years have accomplished what Trump accomplished.

      It's certainly not a match for your sitting around jacking off to cuckold porn and whining about the success of others while wallowing in your own failures, but it's pretty impressive regardless.

      You are a fucking imbecile.

    5. Re: Life accomplishments by kenh · · Score: 1

      The only group more exclusive than POTUS is that of those that set foot on the moon.

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      Ken
    6. Re: Life accomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only group more exclusive than POTUS is that of those that set foot on the moon.

      All white males, of course.

      We should be encouraging school-age girls to study moonwalking, this bias and discrimination has to end!

    7. Re: Life accomplishments by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Only three people have been to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

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      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    8. Re: Life accomplishments by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Only three people have been to the bottom of the Mariana Trench and returned to tell us about it

      FTFY

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    9. Re: Life accomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's the president of the United States of America... Literally the most powerful and technologically advanced nation to ever exist.

      Only 44 other men in 242 years have accomplished what Trump accomplished.

      It is not much of an accomplishment. The US will elect a president every fourth year. If nobody puts in any effort, they will still elect someone.

      Real accomplishments are different. Nobody had to go to the moon. If nobody tried very hard, nobody would get there. Einstein didn't have to come up with his theory - if nobody worked hard with physics, nobody would figure out E=mc^2. Henry Ford might have settled for making cars like everybody else at that time - and cars might still be too expensive for common families.

      Do you need new and special insight to become president? Nope. Is there much competition? Nope. One other serious candidate in the election itself. A handful to beat to get nominated for a party. If you have some serious money for a marketing campaign . . .

    10. Re: Life accomplishments by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      True, although not all POTUSes survived either.

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      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    11. Re: Life accomplishments by russotto · · Score: 1

      Michael Jackson was black when he first did the moonwalk.

  14. Read the commencement address. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's awful. Sloppy and inarticulate. TL;DR in the truest sense of the word.

  15. What? No love for Gordon Letwin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HPFS was EPIC!

  16. Her Lineage by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I believe that Lady Lovelace descends directly from George Gordon who we usually call Lord Byron. A bright family indeed !

    1. Re:Her Lineage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that Lady Lovelace descends directly from George Gordon who we usually call Lord Byron.

      That's a fancy way of saying that she was his daughter.

  17. Obama shows anyone can have a 6 figure job! by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    >> CTO Megan Smith revealed ... that she gave President Obama a computing history lesson on the same day he learned to code..

    So he learnt to program in maybe half a day? Wow. Here I am, 35 years in, and still pretty sure I don't know everything...

    1. Re:Obama shows anyone can have a 6 figure job! by magzteel · · Score: 1

      >> CTO Megan Smith revealed ... that she gave President Obama a computing history lesson on the same day he learned to code..

      So he learnt to program in maybe half a day? Wow. Here I am, 35 years in, and still pretty sure I don't know everything...

      I'm guessing it was along the lines of

      while 1; do
      echo "It's all about me"
      done

    2. Re:Obama shows anyone can have a 6 figure job! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      So he learnt to program in maybe half a day?

      That's nothing, Kim Jong-Un learned it in fifteen minutes. And his first program invented the game of Tetris. What a leader!

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    3. Re: Obama shows anyone can have a 6 figure job! by kenh · · Score: 1

      I would be shocked if she spent more than 45 minutes in the Oval Office, that's not a slam on the President or Ms. Smith, the President's daily schedule is managed down to the minute most days - to imagine the sitting President, any sitting President has half a day to fool around on a laptop repeating what hundreds of thousands of school children are doing is just silly.

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      Ken
    4. Re:Obama shows anyone can have a 6 figure job! by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the probability is that a 6 figure job would represent a pay cut to him.

  18. USA is banana republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Cause no such thing as politican good will even exists. No politican from prehistoric kings to recent morons ever had such thing

  19. Obama learned to code in less than one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very impressive.

    Well, in 2007 we learned that he was magical so I guess it's not a leap. I'm waiting to hear when he submits his first patch to the Linux kernel.

    Maybe Obama's too busy using his new coding skills to hack his literary agent's computer to erase that part about Obama being born in Kenya (the item that lead Hillary's people in 2008 to start the "birther" movement, which was later adopted by Trump and SHAZAM became a racist thing which it clearly wasn't when it was started by H's people).

    Of course this genius coder has now been exposed in a lie by the Justice Department's Inspector General report which lists Obama as one of 13 officials who exchanged messages with Hillary on her private e-mail server (something he denied knowing about on a TV interview). As a coder, he SURELY would have known that "clintonmail.com" was NOT a ".gov" account.

    And then there's a related item: in 2016 Obama publicly said to Bill Clinton (DNC convention if I recall properly) that Hillary was smarter and far more qualified than either of them. Does she code? We certainly know she knows how to wipe a server... "what, with a CLOTH?"

    I'm having fun here, but as a rule I actually DESPISE these stories where politicians (of ANY party) "learn to code" in a quick lesson - NO GEEK/NERD/ETC SHOULD TOLERATE THIS STUFF - it's an insult to the profession. Show me another profession that happily helps politicians and the media pretend that its skill can be mastered by any idiot in less than a day!

  20. Please! by kenh · · Score: 1

    Being led by the hand through a 'coding' exercise by a former google exec does not impart any meaningful insights into computer programming for a sitting President, or for that matter a classroom full of school children using a printed recipe to make a ball 'bounce' on screen.

    That Kate Middleton's grandmother and great-aunt, along with thousands of others, worked at Blechtly Hall (sp) while Alan Turing and friends built their special-purpose computer doesn't make everyone that worked there a 'code-breaker'. There were countless people that supported those doing the actual breaking of code, and while their contribution helped, I don't think the security guards, the cafeteria staff, the secretaries, administrators, transcribers, etc would consider themselves code breakers. Over 99% of the workers at Bletchley Park had no idea who Turing was and how he proposed to crack the enigma - most code-breakers were toiling away trying to break enigma manually, without the aid of Turing's machine.

    Oh, and can we agree that the term 'coder' is saved for those people that actually can sit down at a computer and, using the language of their choose, write a program without pre-printed instructions to accomplish some task, no matter how trivial?

    Walking into a kitchen and following the directions on the side of a frozen burrito doesn't qualify someone as a 'chef', following a code.org 'packet' doesn't make one a coder.

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    Ken
  21. Hey, how's them Oilers going to do next season? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I think they officially dropped it one or two owners back.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    1. Re:Hey, how's them Oilers going to do next season? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That explains why I saw CmdrTaco behind the counter of Chipotle.

  22. I don't get the need to teach everyone to code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really don't understand this current drive to teach everyone to code. You can successfully use a computer without needing to know how to code.

    I drive my car daily....I don't need the skills of a mechanic to do so.

    I use my body daily, though it is getting old and rickety lately....but I don't need to be a doctor to do so.

    WTF is with this whole movement to teach everyone to code?