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Studies Find Evidence That Meditation Is Demotivating (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from a report written by behavioral scientists Kathleen D. Vohs and Andrew C. Hafenbrack: The practical payoff of mindfulness [meditation] is backed by dozens of studies linking it to job satisfaction, rational thinking and emotional resilience. But on the face of it, mindfulness might seem counterproductive in a workplace setting. To test this hunch, we recently conducted five studies, involving hundreds of people, to see whether there was a tension between mindfulness and motivation. As we report in a forthcoming article in the journal Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, we found strong evidence that meditation is demotivating.

Some of the participants in our studies were trained in a few of the most common mindfulness meditation techniques. They were instructed by a professional meditation coach to focus on their breathing or mentally scan their bodies for physical sensations, being gently reminded throughout that there was no right or wrong way to do the exercise. Other participants were led through a different exercise. Some were encouraged to let their thoughts wander; some were instructed to read the news or write about recent activities they had done. Then we gave everyone a task to do. Among those who had meditated, motivation levels were lower on average. Those people didn't feel as much like working on the assignments, nor did they want to spend as much time or effort to complete them. Meditation was correlated with reduced thoughts about the future and greater feelings of calm and serenity -- states seemingly not conducive to wanting to tackle a work project.
The studies also found that meditation "neither benefited nor detracted from a participant's quality of work." Furthermore, Vohs and Hafenbrack found that a financial bonus for outstanding performance did not overcome the demotivating effect of mindfulness. "While the promise of material rewards will always be a useful tool for motivating employees, it is no substitute for internal motivation," the report reads.

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  1. Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they just realized that their work assignments weren't very meaningful?

    1. Re:Maybe... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Desire for jumping through meaningless hoops ...

      Except that the hoops are not meaningless if you want to keep your job, get paid, and feed your family.

      Serenity doesn't pay the bills.

    2. Re:Maybe... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, the hoops in this study were meaningless hoops ...

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    3. Re:Maybe... by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait, what?

      Hoops can be meaningless regardless whether or not you have financial gain out of it. One could, in theory, hire you and pay you big bucks (say, a dollar for each time) to press a button that does nothing every 5 to 10 seconds, with failure to do so being grounds for dismissal. It is, by all intents and purposes, meaningless. Being paid makes it lucrative, not meaningful.

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    4. Re:Maybe... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And paying the bills doesn't make you serene. I'm not saying that there is no incentive, I'm saying that an incentive doesn't provide meaning in and of itself, and that's why this is an appropriate way to test the efficacy of meditation.

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    5. Re:Maybe... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As trite as it sounds, I have found that taking a minute to interrupt a stressful work situation with some “mindfulness” activity seems to help me with work - when I remember to take that minute, anyway.

      Trite? O hell no! I have long found the need to step back and clear my mind made me more productive. I suppose the computing equivalent might be called a memory leak that needs a reboot. I have to step away, think about something else for a while, then hop right back into the work. There is a similar aspect of meditation when trying to solve problems. Instead of backing away entirely, you just put the problem on subconscious autopilot while you think about whatever calms you.

      I suppose if a person did the exact same task every day, and started being mindful, they might figure out their job was crap.

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  2. Most jobs are stupid by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think these people just realized the actual value of what they were doing.

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    1. Re:Most jobs are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Zoom out a bit, and most jobs are important.

      The job exists because people desire the outcome. People want to eat, for example, and so the whole supply-chain exists to satisfy that desire. And it is an important desire!

      Each individual link in that chain can seem like a trivially small piece. But it is part of something which, overall, matters. And this is true of most jobs.

      When people start feeling like their jobs are meaningless, really it is because the jobs are boring, and because they don't seem to stack up to some way more awesome job that everybody wants and usually doesn't exist anyway (like, I dunno, being a secret agent....which is not nearly as cool in practice as it is in the movies). People represent it to themselves as meaninglessness, but that is really just a bit of a mental game. The reaction is to the boredom and tedium of a job that actually has a meaningful place in the economy.

      People will try to overpower this by playing a different mental game, any of many that keeps them motivated to work. Meditation has the effect of clearing away a lot of that self-deception. It doesn't leave you with much more than the stark reality of your boring job. So, that will naturally kill any motivation that doesn't have any foundation in reality.

  3. Meditation is SUPPOSED to be demotivating by Dosgatosmuertos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO - Meditation viewed in a vacuum sans underlying Buddhist philosophy is incoherent, but unfortunately common. The Buddha taught that the point of meditation is to achieve awakening, which is done though the reduction of craving and aversion. By reducing ones fear of failure or desire for success one becomes more free from the suffering inexorably associated with fleeting pursuits, though they are arguably the primary drivers of our economic system. Motivation to pursue things that don't really increase your happiness (i.e. working like a dog to please your boss or to avoid feeling like a loser or to buy a Lambo) will dissipate the more one has the focus to see what really matters in life, which is what meditation will lead to if done correctly. Yet again, the NYT misses the point!

  4. demotivation by gordona · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When one spends time doing meditation, one can start to see how stupid things are in the world around us. That can be demotivating. BUT, it can also open up new paradigms. Sitting still, doing nothing (except breathing of course), there is a lot of noise in our heads. After a while (time frame indeterminant), the noise subsides and often a clear idea emerges about a path to follow. Such an activity is similar to doing software development when an difficult problem is encountered. Getting away from the problem and maybe taking a quiet walk reveals the source and the solution to the problem.

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  5. I've been doing meditation for 15 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    first, my background: I've been practicing buddhist meditation for 15 years. I've even lived at temples and completed extensive retreats. I currently live at a temple and practice 2-3 hours 3-4 days a week (permitting) along with my full time job. I am single and not dating (I'm on slashdot...).

    Meditation is not a cure all like it hocked in the media. It wont solve your depression or make you less anxious or make you last longer in bed or....

    Done with proper guidance and care, both in terms of access to long term practitioners for advice and to medical care in case something unpleasant happens, because it can and probably will eventually, it can be unbelievably beneficial to the practitioner and those surrounding them.

    Meditation does however, have a great effect on a ton of stuff. In fact, it addresses the problem that supercedes all other problems, making it something of a cure all for all sorts of ails.

    the difference between the statements of meditation doesn't cure anxiety or depression and blah blah blah, and meditation does have a great effect on a ton of stuff, is that meditation deals with how life unfolds moment to moment from an internal perspective (from your perspective, you're the one doing it after all). And when you start to understanding whats REALLY going on moment to moment, and how all of this works, a lot of that painful, negative stuff just stops happening.

    That takes many, many years of practice. It may make you a better worker because you're spending less time dealing with internal crap that prevents you from focusing correctly, and it may allow you to see boring things in a new way which isn't painful. But that doesn't necessarily make you fill them out any faster, it just makes you less miserable to all others. So it both does and it doesn't have a giant effect.

    It's great that meditation is starting to become more common, but it will never work in the way these corporate people want it to.

  6. Re:Clickbait by TrekkieGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    he title is total clickbait. From the article: "Then we tracked everyone’s actual performance on the tasks. Here we found that on average, having meditated neither benefited nor detracted from a participant’s quality of work."

    That's also in the summary, but the point is the quality of the work didn't change, but the quantity of it did, because they lacked motivation.

    Which shouldn't be surprising to anyone. There's a reason you're not in a relaxed state when you have a looming deadline: it's not beneficial to meeting the deadline. Also, there's a reason people abusing drugs to get shit done use amphetamines and other stimulants. You want to be focused and hyped, not calm and relaxed.

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