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People's Egos Get Bigger After Meditation and Yoga, Says Study (qz.com)

An anonymous reader shares a study that finds contemporary meditation and yoga practices can actually inflate your ego. Quartz reports: In the paper, published online by University of Southampton and due to be published in the journal Psychological Science, researchers note that Buddhism's teachings that a meditation practice helps overcome the ego conflicts with U.S. psychologist William James's argument that practicing any skill breeds a sense of self-enhancement (the psychological term for inflated self-regard.) There was already a fair bit of evidence supporting William James's theory, broadly speaking, but a team of researchers from University Mannheim in Germany decided to test it specifically in the context of yoga and meditation.

They recruited yoga 93 students and, over a period of 15 weeks, regularly evaluated their sense of self-enhancement. They used several measures to do this. First, they assessed participants' level of self-enhancement by asking how they compared to the average yoga student in their class. (Comparisons to the average is the standard way of measuring self-enhancement.) Second, they had participants complete an inventory that assesses narcissistic tendencies, which asked participants to rate how deeply phrases like "I will be well-known for the good deeds I will have done" applied to them. And finally, they administered a self-esteem scale asking participants whether they agreed with statements like, "At the moment, I have high self-esteem." When students were evaluated in the hour after their yoga class, they showed significantly higher self-enhancement, according to all three measures, than when they hadn't done yoga in the previous 24 hours.

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  1. I'm too busy meditating to do this survey... by ole_timer · · Score: 2

    ...and you results are below me...

    --
    nothing to see here - move along
  2. Must be Christians... by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buddhists would have left their ego on the mat.

    1. Re:Must be Christians... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Ego in Buddhism is somewhat different than Ego in psychology. In Buddhism Zen you learn there is no independently existing self, but the non-self is pretty great. To quote a monk, "you are buddha." To quote a particular nun, "You are me and I am you."

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re: Must be Christians... by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Best metaphor I have: a river flows into an ocean. However, there is no specific point at which the river ends and the ocean begins. That boundary is fuzzy, precisely because it isn't actually a boundary at all. There's just water there, and the river and the ocean are concepts our mind carves out in order to understand them.

      And those concepts are real, and useful, which is why we have them in the first place. If you take a drug which temporarily stops you from being able to tell the difference between a river and an ocean, that doesn't mean there is no difference. It just means you've fucked your brain to the point that it no longer sees a difference.

      You don't get enlightenment from that. You may - according to this study - get a temporary sense of superiority from it, though. Much like flat earthers get a sense of superiority from thinking that they know something about the world which the rest of us do not.

  3. Already a known problem... by ndykman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is plenty of commentary in Buddhism on why serious meditative practice needs to be done with an proper teacher and inside a proper community to avoid these very issues. Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism is a great text that discusses this issue and how to approach it from a Tibetan Buddhist perspective. This is really nothing new, far from it.

    And, yes, if you have a set of random people meditate with no or little guidance for four weeks, there will be a ego boost. Longer term, directed practice is required for real change.

    1. Re:Already a known problem... by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      serious meditative practice needs to be done with an proper teacher and inside a proper community to avoid these very issues.

      So it's like Agile: if it's not working then you are not spending enough on expensive gurus and consultants, and if you are spending a lot and not getting results, then you are using the WRONG expensive gurus and consultants, and should switch to the expensive guru who is pointing this out to you.

      In other words, it may be a self-reinforcing Sisyphus racket, or at least could end up that way in the wrong guru hands. Proceed With Caution.

  4. Of course! You're happy with yourself by evanh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've just completed a supposedly beneficial task. It's no different to completing a task at work or even winning a competition that matter.

    One would hope one is happy occasionally.

  5. Get over yourself by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meditation is good and useful practise for accessing different states of consciousness without drugs. There are many reasons why you want to do this. To say it reduces motivation and increases ego just indicates it is not being used properly. Brains are smart - minds are smarter and whilst you can fool the conscious mind fooling the unconscious mind is like trying to pretend gravity doesn't exist as you step off a cliff. Bottom line here - don't be fucking stupid, intent is everything.

    In some cases though meditation is a form of spiritual bypassing of all the shit you've been through in your life. These things mess with your super ego, those little voices in your head that can give you constructive or destructive messages. If they are destructive you're going to have a crap opinion of yourself and meditation will expand any false reality you have constructed and turn you into a real asshole.

    Bottom line: deal with your issues consciously first then meditation will be useful. Chances are you won't act like a dick either.

    Have a nice day :)

    --
    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  6. Healthy self-esteem vs. malignant narcissism by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did they make *any* attempt to distinguish between the two? If not, it's a worthless study.

    Healthy self-esteem is based on a realistic and measured appreciation of your own good qualities ("I'm a good ukulele player"). Inflated self-esteem is, well, inflated ("I'm the greatest fucking ukulele player on earth"). Malignant narcissism, as seen for example in narcissistic personality disorder, also tends to include a competitive need to denigrate the positive qualities of others ("All other ukulele players are shit"), and tends to include the belief that you deserve special treatment because of your extraordinary qualities ("I should get my ukuleles sent to me for free, and I don't need to be nice to people because I'm such a genius at the ukulele").

    1. Re:Healthy self-esteem vs. malignant narcissism by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Actually narcissists have poor self-esteem which is why they act out in the way they do to compensate. It is hard to know if meditation is healthy or not in this context.

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
  7. Re:Must be Christmas... by ChatHuant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can you say something that shows you comprehend?

    Mu.

  8. No different than vegetarians by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: How do you know if someone is a vegetarian?
    A: Don't worry, they'll let you know as soon as they can.

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    "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
  9. Re: smug v. ego by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Instead of buying a big house far from work, why don't you get an apartment close to work? Then you can really reduce your environmental impact, without being smug.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  10. Re: Must be Christmas... by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hurr durr, my pet belief is totally awesome! You just don't understand!

        - every crank ever

  11. Wait by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait, you mean that dabbling in cherry picked pieces of other cultures' spiritual practices might be some sort of dilettante-ish thing??