Slashdot Mirror


US Lawmakers Want Google To Reconsider Links To China's Huawei (reuters.com)

Some U.S. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have asked Google on Wednesday to reconsider its work with Chinese telecommunications firm Huawei, citing security concerns. Reuters reports: In a letter to Google Chief Executive Sundar Pichai, the lawmakers said Google recently decided not to renew "Project Maven," an artificial intelligence research partnership with the U.S. Department of Defense. "While we regret that Google did not want to continue a long and fruitful tradition of collaboration between the military and technology companies, we are even more disappointed that Google apparently is more willing to support the Chinese Communist Party than the U.S. military," they wrote. The letter was signed by Republican Senators Tom Cotton and Marco Rubio, Republican Representatives Michael Conaway and Liz Cheney, and Democratic Representative Dutch Ruppersberger.

"Like many U.S. companies, we have agreements with dozens of OEMs (manufacturers) around the world, including Huawei. We do not provide special access to Google user data as part of these agreement, and our agreements include privacy and security protections for use data," she said in an emailed statement.

89 comments

  1. Nice non-answer GOOG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    ”Like many U.S. companies, we have agreements with dozens of OEMs (manufacturers) around the world, including Huawei. We do not provide special access to Google user data as part of these agreement, and our agreements include privacy and security protections for use data," she said in an emailed statement.

    And this has fuck all to do with anything, how?

    1. Re:Nice non-answer GOOG by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      It's a long winded way of saying "no, fuck off."

  2. huawei is safe and secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They remove the NSA spyware from Android so duh gubmint can't perpetrate more inside jobs like 9-11. Ignore the Huawei haters. AE911truth org

  3. Bullying by JcMorin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I view that as full Bullying from the gov.

    1. Re:Bullying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Chinese government doesn’t do the same?

    2. Re: Bullying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. That would make it TOTALLY ok.

    3. Re:Bullying by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

      I view that as full Bullying from the gov.

      Really? I view it as taking security seriously enough to actually say something.

      I suppose you don't fully grasp the threat of backdoored mobile computers.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    4. Re:Bullying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you don't fully grasp the threat of backdoored mobile computers.

      I do fully grasp the threat which is why I don't want them dealing with the US government. China is suspected of wanting to do it, we know for a fact that the US government has repeatedly tried to do it and is still pushing for it.

    5. Re:Bullying by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cite then, chapter and verse, where Huawei has a product that contains code that benefits the Chinese government in a security risk scenario.

      No one has. It's bullshit until they do. This is Cisco/Juniper bribery/legislative influence until someone points to actual code that is a security risk or compromise.

      Are they backdoor'd? Are their routers loaded with malware? No one can point to a smoking gun. This is about economics, not security, until they can cite actual security problems. This is the same group of legislative nitwits that are slowly killing the ACA, twiddling their thumbs while children are forcibly separated from their parents at borders, who can't decide on a budget, but who are happy to pass massive budget if the word "military" is involved, spend billions on planes that don't fly, and otherwise don't have anything like consumerism in mind.

      The Android operating system is a recipe for making Google plentiful amounts of money, with security a nascent side-thought. Google Play is rife with malware, crypto-currency laden apps, and worse.

      So when you say, "I suppose you don't fully grasp the threat of backdoored mobile computers", I have to laugh loudly.

      --
      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    6. Re:Bullying by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

      Cite then, chapter and verse, where Huawei has a product that contains code that benefits the Chinese government in a security risk scenario.

      Pre-installed Backdoor On 700 Million Android Phones Sending Users' Data To China

      "Moreover, it is worth noting that AdUps provides its software to much larger handset manufacturers, such as ZTE and Huawei, which sell their Android phones worldwide, across over 150 countries and regions."

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    7. Re:Bullying by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      From the article you cite:
      "Ms. Lim said the software was intended to help the Chinese client identify junk text messages and calls. She did not identify the company that requested it and said she did not know how many phones were affected. She said phone companies, not Adups, were responsible for disclosing privacy policies to users. âoeAdups was just there to provide functionality that the phone distributor asked for,â she said.

      Android phones run software that is developed by Google and distributed free for phone manufacturers to customize. A Google official said the company had told Adups to remove the surveillance ability from phones that run services like the Google Play store. That would not include devices in China, where hundreds of millions of people use Android phones but where Google does not operate because of censorship concerns.

      Because Adups has not published a list of affected phones, it is not clear how users can determine whether their phones are vulnerable. âoePeople who have some technical skills could,â Mr. Karygiannis, the Kryptowire vice president, said. âoeBut the average consumer? No.â

      The malware was removed. How many malware citations would you like concerning Android in general?

      --
      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    8. Re:Bullying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doing business with most Chinese companies poses a security risk due to industrial espionage/IP theft.

      This isnt something new, undocumented, or contested.

    9. Re:Bullying by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Don't be a bullshit artist. You have no idea, and are simply parroting your weenie fears.

      Do Chinese orgs become involved in IP theft and espionage? Yes, it's a proven fact. What you didn't conveniently get around to is the question I asked: cite chapter and verse.

      You can't, because there isn't any. This is all about three letter agencies miffed that they can't impregnate your smartphone with their own tracking ware, or your router, etc.

      Read the info rather than parroting the paranoia memes. This is about reality.

      --
      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
  4. Project Maven Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article reads like them complaining about Huawei is partly in response to google cancelling their Project Maven work.

    Basically it is the usual spiel of renouncing your enemies for being unpatriotic and endangering the country.

    Now if they can prove that US consumer data is in jeopardy because of their ties, then that is another mater. I didn't see any proof in that article.

    1. Re:Project Maven Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, you really believe the Goog's suggestion that their only risk to national security is in user data? There can't be any risk in shipping millions of pounds of network hardware and putting black box hardware with SDRs every few hundred meters in big cities and every kilometer in less dense areas. Nope, no risk in Google collaborating with them, the user data is safe and secure. And that's exactly one risk vector.

    2. Re:Project Maven Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google supports Google.
      One doubts Google buys black boxes. They have the whip hand and the technical capability to have the firmware source and the hardware details - and the smarts to change / specify it exactly. Outsourcing white boxes is fine - nothing communist there. Googles also knows so called comms hardware with FCC and NSA blessings was also deeply flawed with deep CVE's over time. In true American style Google buy the best product or service on the market, not steered to second or third best. My bet is that they get low value hardware, and value add by sticking their own firmware in it. No security compromise if you do it that way. Facebook also makes its own custom hardware.
      When Spectre-Meltdown came along, Google was first to re-compile their platform competently , while the others, including Intel have yet to reliably deliver.
      If congress or NSA have a bitch, they have to come clean with specifics, otherwise get lost, take a hike. The UK failed to reveal specifics for core switches 'chattering' but again Google should be aware. Hence no problem.

    3. Re:Project Maven Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you really believe the Goog's suggestion that their only risk to national security is in user data?

      I see no reason to think the sky is falling here, till we see some proof. Google is big enough to do anything it wants hardware wise and figure out how to keep it all fairly secure. Also, they have a net interest in doing so, since if enough large breeches occurred, it would cost them market share fast.

      Part of the reason Facebook addressed the political adds mess, is it was hurting their reputation and possibly costing them users. It is simple economics to do what is necessary to protect your profits.

  5. Did they not mentin ZTE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Strange they didn't mention the other big Chinese OEM with government ties.... ZTE, the one that broke Iran and North Korean sanctions.

    "@realDonaldTrump
    President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!
    8:01 AM - 13 May 2018 "

    Some deal was done, Trump let them off, then there was some internal arguments, then that became a fine instead of $1 billion, then Senate voted to keep the sanctions, and its currently in limbo while the House decides to back it or not.

    Make China Great Again! Too many jobs lost in China!

    1. Re:Did they not mentin ZTE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone needs to find the email associated with this nazi faggot, trace it down to an IP, target, observe, and crush the windpipe of this faggot republican INCEL nothing for America to become slightly better, again.

    2. Re:Did they not mentin ZTE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ZTE which is a chinese company that suddenly have to comply with US law about not trading with specific countries?

      I really think that US should stop to think that law enacted in Washington apply to the whole world, because it is really going to backfire really badly for US.

    3. Re: Did they not mentin ZTE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a dumb post.

      ZTE is a Chinese company and can do whatever they want. Except they can't break US laws multiple times with abandon and expect to keep doing business IN THE US. They are welcome to continue to do business anywhere else where the host deems OK. Just not in the US.

      Unless you got the President's yanker in your hand, then all wrongs are forgiven.

    4. Re:Did they not mentin ZTE? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      There is talk in congress about this very thing. You think it needs to be brought up each time?

  6. Playing the patriotism card ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... is the "Think of the children," model.

    Especially damning is the "Communist," reference.

    To make anything great again you gotta go back.

    Say hello to 1950.

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    1. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is nothing about that, it is about the laws on the books that give the government specific rights to restrict international activities of companies for national security purposes already specifically mention the Communist Party.

      Your perception that that involves somehow "going back" is silly; the laws were never changed, and the language never stopped putting enemies in the already-enumerated boxes like "Communist" and "Terrorist."

      It doesn't have anything to do with Communism per se, it has instead to do with a generic threat to throw government powers behind some sort of enforcement.

      Just like, during my wife's immigration interview she had to answer lots of questions about if she was ever a member of the Communist Party, etc. Just because the media told you, "Yay, the Cold War ended," it didn't actually imply that Congress had rewritten the last 60 years of law to take out all the terminology.

    2. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is nothing about that, it is about the laws on the books that give the government specific rights to restrict international activities of companies for national security purposes already specifically mention the Communist Party.

      yeah those billion dollar international trade deals are SO communist!

    3. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Unlike most, I actually hid under my fucking desk in elementary school as a drill, preparing for nuclear war involving the commies.

      It was all horseshit then and it's horseshit now.

      The American people were played by the government to fund a whole lot of useless crap and to institute fucked up policies.

      This is the patriotism card, very similar to the national security one.

      You can say your goddam pledge of allegiance three times a day, but I know the difference between bullshit and wild honey.

      --
      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    4. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      lol. We obviously grew up at the same time, but obviously we see things differently. See, my father sat on a runway with a single payload for a week in Oct 1962. Likewise, I worked for the DOD doing bio-chemical warfare research and became well aware of how much work the Soviet was doing with biologicals (esp anthrax and small pox), along with Chemicals( esp Novichok ). None of this was horseshit.

      However, I will say that I got out of that because I felt that USSR was gone clear back in early 80s and reagan was simply delaying things. So I went into coding. Of course, in the 00s, I ended up working again with gov agencies. In this case, I was working on PAT act. Considering the equipment was so cool, I stayed with it. However, testing means that you see/listen to things. Even Samples. And one of the things you find out, is that America is under a massive threat from a number of parties. That includes China most of all. In fact, I dealt with 2 CHinese spies. One was sent to the mainland (though he came from Taiwan, he wanted mainland upon being booted). But others were also in the mix.

      The point is, this was not horseshit again. ANd that was about 10 years ago.

      Just because you want to either close your eyes to it, or think of yourself as a peacenik, or are actually working for the Russian/Chinese/etc, does not mean that it does not exist.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    5. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Especially damning is the "Communist,"

      The largest owner and the President/CEO are high-ranking members of the Communist Party (as well as retired officers in the Chinese Army). There's a connection there.

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    6. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      ... or are actually working for the Russian/Chinese/etc ...

      You're through.

      --
      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    7. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      So, better dead than red.

      I lived it, read the book, saw the movie.

      Make America Scared Again

      --
      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    8. Re: Playing the patriotism card ... by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      It's really sad that the cunt you responded to is being nodded up instead of you. Slashdot is a weird place.

    9. Re: Playing the patriotism card ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because most people realize the 'threat' from the Russians and now Commies in general was nothing more than a smokescreen for more government funding aka handouts to the rich.

    10. Re: Playing the patriotism card ... by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Well, the reason is simple. Until you see REALLY see things, you do not know WHAT to believe. The fact is, our gov lies as much as any others. As such, it becomes difficult. If you read carefully what I wrote, you will see that back on the biological work under reagan, I was disillusioned with what our gov was doing. I knew what USSR was up to, but we also knew that USSR was finished in early 80s. Basically, all the presidents PRIOR to regan took out the USSR. He prolonged USSR's life by 10 years. Of course to be fair, it is very possible that he kept us out of a hot war. When gov are collapsing, they tend to bring up other things to pay attention to (trump should come to mind; do not pay attention to Mueller ). I really was surprised that the Soviets did not attack beyond Afghanistan. But,I quit doing that because of it. Now, I see that Russia comes up again, and is just the same with putin in control. Sad.

      My twin had an interesting observation. He was stationed in S. Korea back when the Koreans were all protesting against their ongoing war. One thing he commented on, was that before doing military duty, the Koreans protested. However,once they were in the military and saw what was going on in the DMZ as well as off-shore, few would protest again. Same thing here.
      Personally, I do not have a big issue with Dork. He is understandable.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    11. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by 2ms · · Score: 1

      Why don't you move to a country you approve of more? There are so many. I have lived in 3 countries and will move again shortly. Don't be a victim of your own close-mindedness. If you do not like the country you are in then instead of bitching you should vote with your feet.

    12. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by 2ms · · Score: 2

      You lived what? I live in a former communist country. Communism is the greatest tragedy of modern human history. If you didn't live as sheltered of a life as you do then perhaps you might be able to grasp this, however, I suspect you are American and have only lived in America.

    13. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Okay, but what is the nature of the relationship between Google and Huwawei? From what I can tell they share some AI research projects, which makes sense because both Huwawei and Google are leaders in the field and neither has particularly good access to the other's market.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    14. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      You pretty much have to be a member of the Communist Party to get to that level in China. But what does that mean for Huwawei products?

      Maybe they are backdoored by the government. But then again we know for a fact with 100% certainty that Cisco products are backdoored by the US government, and probably many other US products.

      From a security standpoint relying on any single point of failure is always a bad idea. Just replacing your Huwawei network gear with Cisco isn't going to make your organization secure. Maybe the opposite - with Huwawei perhaps you can afford to hire some competent security admins.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    15. Re: Playing the patriotism card ... by spinitch · · Score: 1

      I lived a ways from lake Wobegon, and have vague but fond recollections of wild honey. The key was getting good seeds, otherwise could spend a summer for nought. Back then no social media nor much for video games so had time to do other things like socializes with others coz they had time too and could do so with a fair amount of privacy. Not sure why you think folks would confuse bullshit with wild honey? Horseshit vs bullshit well they both will mess your shoes up pretty good and work well for growing your honey;) Educational TV like romper room with instructive characters like Mr Doobee helped put life into perspective.

    16. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah , national security. The same reason for tarrifs on Canadian steel and aluminum. Sure....

    17. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      ... is the "Think of the children," model.

      Especially damning is the "Communist," reference.

      To make anything great again you gotta go back.

      Say hello to 1950.

      You ... think communism stopped being a problem in the 1950s?

      You do realize that China is a communist dictatorship, right? A real dictatorship, not like here where you just play at calling your political opponents "dictators".

    18. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by djinn6 · · Score: 2

      If you have to pick which backdoor, pick one from people who have the least power over you. Who cares if China knows you're a furry? They're not going to arrest you from half way across the world.

    19. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      You seem to see a lot of things "differently" to most people, (and reality,) why is that?

    20. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Hold on, you lived in a former communist country? If you didn't like your life there, isn't that a problem with whatever replaced communism?

      And as someone who's visited both China and India, I can tell you that practicing communism, at least in certain stages of development, turned out better for their nation.

    21. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something doesn't add up. If there was evidence of spying, why was the "spy" sent back to China, and not placed in prison? There has been quite a bit of Chinese scientists, government workers, etc. who were falsely accused of spying. Yet, evidence could not back accusations up. Their names were dragged through the mud, and they lost their jobs and livelihood.

    22. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      ... is the "Think of the children," model.

      Oh. Like the current illegal immigration stuff where the solution seems to be, if you make it in with a child, you should be untouchable.

    23. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Go read the recent news on that.

      --
      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    24. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by 2ms · · Score: 1

      What? I don't even understand what you are trying to say. You sound like you think you might know more about communism than I do even though I grew up in a communist country, was raised by parents who lived their whole lives under communism, and have a detailed knowledge of the history of life here before, during and after communism. How ignorant can you be? It's funny you mention Asia. Look at the capitalist countries Japan, South Korea, Singapore. Are you saying you think life in China, Vietnam, and North Korea is better than life in the others? If so, you are insane. Life in those countries for the most part is largely miserable. You have no idea what you are talking about. Frankly, you disgust me.

    25. Re:Playing the patriotism card ... by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      Why don't you tell us about all the places you've been and lived?
      Let me guess

  7. Nice try Ivan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good luck with your Ivanka pornhub channel though. You'll have one uuuuge subscriber.

  8. Fascists by meglon · · Score: 2

    Sounds like some fascist anti-freemarket politicians demanding private companies suck military dick even harder. Worship of the military is a bad thing.

    --
    Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
    1. Re:Fascists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This whole situation is comical considering the nature of the Project Maven. It should have been a new leaf for the military on the openness and support of innovation of actors of all sizes related to these technologies to enable accelerated implementation at the field. It was something positive. Now this political sabre rattling is threaten to poison the well of innovation and openness.

  9. in other words by nimbius · · Score: 2

    We're running out of gas on the witch hunt bus here and we could sure use some help. Its hard work trying to convince americans to give a shit about the red scare nearly 30 years after the fall of the soviet union.

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
    1. Re:in other words by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Sundar Pichai is NOT American. He is Tamilian Indian from Tamil Nadu and choose to not get his American Citizenship.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    2. Re:in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought he was a Pokémon.
      Pika Pika

    3. Re:in other words by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      damn it. He did switch citizenship. I thought he was still Indian.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    4. Re:in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai says Sundar is an American citizen. Even if he isn't (after all, wiki isn't really know for 100% accuracy and I have no other way to verify if Sundar Pichai is actually a citizen or not), how is that relevant ? Do you want to imply that it's ok to target Google if Sundar Pichai is not an American citizen ?

      I am also eligible for the citizenship application but have chosen not to, thanks to people like you. America used to stand for some ideals or at least pretended to, and now many Americans seem to want America to stand for itself and itself only (and doing it in a way that hurts itself as well, but that's the secondary issue - if your aim is wrong, how far off the aim you hit doesn't really matter that much). The land of the free and the home of the braves ? It's now more like the land of the dummies and the home of the cowards.

    5. Re:in other words by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Please apply for citizenship and vote.

    6. Re:in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought citizenship wasn't a requirement for voting these days.

  10. Sour Grapes by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its some pissed military contract manager who has a bad case of sour grapes because he cannot not fulfill his 'development' project as it was all going to be from google..

    'Boo Hoo, I'm going to throw all my toys out of the cot and scream until I get what I want' is how this reads.

    Pathetic really.

    1. Re: Sour Grapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot on

    2. Re:Sour Grapes by CeasedCaring · · Score: 1

      Well said. Wish I had some mod points for you.

    3. Re:Sour Grapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no "military contract manager" has enough impact to do any of that. Neither the Program Manager, Contracting Officer, Contracting Officer Representative, nor Contracting Officer Technical Representative has enough power to shit without permission, much less influence the generals, and the generals don't give a fuck about anything except the next star or post-mlitary C level job, as demonstrated by our military aquisition system's miserable performance.

  11. Interesting by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    These GOP are against Google working with a company that is spying on the west (which they are right to do), BUT, they support Trump's backing of ZTE who was caught not only spying, but selling off intelligence to other groups.

    And Americans wonder why we are in such a fucked up state.

    --
    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Interesting by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      , BUT, they support Trump's backing of ZTE

      Are they? I heard congress was trying to grow some balls to overrule Trump (on this one small issue).

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    2. Re:Interesting by 2ms · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that it would be better to have 2 wrongs? If not, then what exactly is your point?

  12. Hey they trying to spy for free by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    A US gov worker, contractor at a US mil site, camp, fort, port, station will drive home from work.
    Their own network devices will be made in China. Every movement to base and all the content they consume off base will be collected on by a Communist nation.
    China will surround every US camp, fort, base, port with digital collection networks. Much like the NSA and GCHQ do globally.
    Log every officer and their interests. Collect on the moments of every contractor and see their full digital lifestyles.
    Encryption will do nothing as the device supports the same keys and updates.
    What the NSA and GCHQ had to spend billions and decades on, China will get given for free by US mil and contractors enjoying low cost networking products from China.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  13. Summary sucks. by msauve · · Score: 1

    "...she said in an emailed statement."

    She? Who? Unreferenced pronoun error.

    --
    "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    1. Re: Summary sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary and her email server? How deep does this go?

  14. Still more lies from you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course he's American. It says he's Indian American on his bio page.

  15. lies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ZTE who was caught not only spying, but selling off intelligence to other groups.

    Care to back up this lie with some links?

  16. US motives are transparent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more pressure the state puts on these manufacturers, the more attractive they become. They must be mad that they have Chinese backdoors instead of US backdoors. I would much rather my info leak to a country on the other side of the world that doesn't give an ass about me than to the psychopaths running the US panopticon.

    1. Re:US motives are transparent by 2ms · · Score: 1

      Why don't you move to a country that you like more? I ask this sincerely as someone who lives in a former communist country? It's amazing to me how many people complain about their countries while not doing the strongest thing one can do to voice their objection, which is to move. That way you can contribute to a country that you support.

    2. Re:US motives are transparent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very difficult to obtain Chinese residency, and how do you know they're not trying? And why does someone have to be all in or nothing, that is, gobble down every last drop of bullshit from your own government, or disown and emigrate? You're an idiot.

    3. Re:US motives are transparent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You describe moving to another country as if it's as easy as just taking a bus into another part of town.

      Emigration is time-consuming and expensive. You need to fill out all kinds of paperwork. You need to be either filthy rich, employably skilled or fleeing certain death for any country to accept you. You need to learn a new language and a new culture. You need to be naturalized. You need background checks. You need medical examinations and clearances. You need to put up with the ever-increasing bullshit of dealing with paranoid transport authority and customs agencies. In some cases you need to replace a lot of your electronics or at least buy a crapload of adapters if the plugs or the voltage is different.

      Ideally, I agree with you, but it's not that simple for a lot of people, especially those who are older or those who don't have a lot of money. The elderly and the poor tend to bitch and moan at their countries because they have very few other choices, and when they do try to move they're labelled "illegal" and have to deal with even more bullshit once they arrive in a country that can provide them with more opportunities and freedom (at least more in comparison to where they're coming from.) It's the young and the rich who have the luxury of international mobility.

    4. Re:US motives are transparent by 2ms · · Score: 1

      What a bunch of excuses. Just take a bus to Canada. Almost anyone can get citizenship in Canada with ease. It would take a fraction of the amount of time to move to Canada as you probably spend complaining on the internet about the country in which you currently live.

  17. The Red Scare, 2018 edition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still not a shred of hard evidence against Huawei, but they're CHINESE! Chinese = national security threat. We should probably put all the Chinese-Americans in a camp for a while until we can figure out what's going on.

  18. Apparently the Chinese pay better than Pentagonese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or are less work. They don't want "results", just (not special) access to all the data.

  19. Huawei phones by Max_W · · Score: 1

    I own the Huawei phone. It is my second Huawei phone. The first I dropped on literally the granite rock in the mountains and broke the glass a bit.

    It is an excellent phone, 2 - 3 times cheaper, but with the sames specs or better.

  20. I can see why they are scared of Huawei,,, by jonwil · · Score: 1

    We know from the Snowden leaks that the US government has the means to infect specific Cisco gear with targeted implants for spying or attack purposes. Its obvious they are worried that the Chinese may do the same for Huawei gear (imagine network gear at the core of something like the new AT&T 5G network being used for spying and the amount of intelligence data that the Chinese could gain from that)

    1. Re:I can see why they are scared of Huawei,,, by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Since everyone uses SSL now, how is a switch or router supposed to get access to your encrypted communication?

  21. Sell outs by thunderclees · · Score: 0

    Pichai said "Like many U.S. companies, we have agreements with dozens of OEMs (manufacturers) around the world, including Huawei. We do not provide special access to Google user data as part of these agreement, and our agreements include privacy and security protections for use data" One bets that when it means millions that Alphabet like other corporations with ties to the PRC that Google will cough it up when the CPC squeezes hard enough.

  22. good shill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go ahead and prove there's no malicious code in firmware. Hell, go ahead and audit the processor microcode. You're a good shill, but your argument is completely transparent.

  23. helpful advice Windy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes that's what you should do. When called out on your lies, just apologise and move on. Don't just hide away and ignore them, it only looks bad for you.

    Of even show evidence why it's not a lie if you can. haha of course you never can, just go with that first choice.
    Of course it would be even easier to just not lie so much in the first place, check your 'facts' once in a while, stuff like that.