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Supreme Court Rules States Can Require Online Retailers To Collect Sales Tax (npr.org)

New submitter zippo01 shares a report: Online shopping will soon become more expensive after the U.S. Supreme court ruled Thursday that states can require internet retailers to collect sales taxes. The 5-4 decision broke with 50 years' worth of legal rulings that barred states from imposing sales taxes on most purchases their residents make from out-of-state retailers. The decision was a victory for South Dakota, which had asked the court to uphold its recently passed law imposing an internet sales tax. "Our state is losing millions for education, health care and infrastructure, and our citizens are harmed by an uneven playing field," said Marty Jackley, South Dakota's attorney general.

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  1. "Our state is losing millions for education...." by magusxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'll, of course, make it illegal to use this money for anything else, right?

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  2. Also known as ... by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also known as the Accounting Software Developers And Consultants Permanent Employment Act.

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  3. Strange SCOTUS Vote by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The vote breakdown on this decision was really weird. Voting in favor of requiring online retailers to collect sales tax were Justices Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, Ginsburg and Gorsuch. Justices Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan joined Chief Justice Roberts in the dissent.

    I wonder if Trump ever foresaw his boy Gorsuch and Ruth Bader Ginsburg joining on a 5-4 decision.

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    1. Re: Strange SCOTUS Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Trump foresaw another ketchup slathered Big Mac going down his gullet. That's the extent of his prognostication powers

  4. Remeber this by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The Internet's prevalence and power have changed the dynamics of the national economy," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority.

    Remember this the next time Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch or Clarence Thomas talk about the following the original text of the constitution.

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  5. Re: No constitutional amendment? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The constitution doesn't grant states power, it *limits* federal power.

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  6. Originalism by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember this the next time Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch or Clarence Thomas talk about the following the original text of the constitution.

    Heh... Yes this is a solid example of why originalists are so full of shit. It's almost always an excuse to justify some sort of behavior that is abhorrent under current social norms or to try stem the tide of political change that some people (usually conservatives) disapprove of. Originalists tend to ignore this principle when it is convenient for them but shout loudly about it when it helps whatever cause they are pushing at the time.

    In this case internet commerce has changed the game dramatically and the laws were written in an earlier era with different circumstances. I haven't looked closely enough at this case to decide whether I agree with the decision but it seems clear enough that the old understanding regarding sales tax collection between states no longer makes much sense in the internet era. Change has to happen one way or another so such a decision isn't surprising even if it ultimately turns out to be a poor one. Maybe this will force Congress to actually address the elephant in the room and establish a new framework for States to collect sales tax that makes sense. (Dare to dream...)

  7. Re: "Our state is losing millions for education... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not nearly that simple.

    There is an area in Illinois (around Chicago + some) where a Snickers bar gets taxed less than a package of Starbust, because anything that contains flour does not qualify for the "candy" tax. There are strange laws on sales taxes in many municipalities all across the country. Don't think for a second that they don't expect those to all be followed to the letter.

    This ruling makes collecting sales taxes in America just as complicated as managing tariffs for international shipments. Hopefully minus most of the corruption.

  8. Not so fast by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have not ruled that states can require online retailers to collect sales tax in general. They have overturned the argument that there is no nexus because of No Physical Presence, and Nexus can be established in other ways for large National retailers such as Quill or Amazon, for example. The court ruled there --- This quantity of business could not have occurred unless the seller availed itself of the substantial privilege of carrying on business in South Dakota.
    And respondents are large, national companies that undoubtedly maintain an extensive virtual presence. Thus, the substantial nexus requirement of Complete Auto is satisfied in this case

     

    The question remains whether some other principle in
    the Court’s Commerce Clause doctrine might invalidate
    the Act. Because the Quill physical presence rule was an
    obvious barrier to the Act’s validity, these issues have not
    yet been litigated or briefed, and so the Court need not
    resolve them here. That said, South Dakota’s tax system
    includes several features that appear designed to prevent
    discrimination against or undue burdens upon interstate
    commerce. First, the Act applies a safe harbor to those
    who transact only limited business in South Dakota.

  9. Re:"Our state is losing millions for education.... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only problem I see with the state taxing online purchases is that small online retailers will have extra overhead to meet tax requirements for all states.

    The South Dakota statute in question only required collection/remittance of South Dakota sales tax if the online retailer had more than $100k in sales in South Dakota and/or more than 200 annual transactions in South Dakota. The Supreme Court specifically discussed those thresholds in its analysis, which will be a signal to other states that if they follow suit, they'll need to have some sort of reasonable minimum threshold as well. It would be hard for a truly small retailer to exceed that threshold in a single state in the first place, and then if they did it would only apply to transactions in that state.

  10. The fantasy of targeted tax revenues by kenh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When politicians designate new tax revenues as going towards some worthy cause (lottery profits for education, for example), rather than increasing the money spent on education, the lottery money instead offsets other tax revenues, freeing them up to be spent on politicians pet projects.

    If the lottery generates $20M for education, the net result is that $20M in lottery money takes the place of $20M that used to come from property taxes.

    Politicians expect you to think that the new revenue is in addition to what was already being spent, but it isn't.

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