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Blogger Stabbed To Death After Internet Abuse Seminar (theguardian.com)

A prominent Japanese blogger has been stabbed to death minutes after giving a seminar on how to resolve personal disputes on the internet. The Guardian reports: Media reports said Kenichiro Okamoto, better known by his blogger name Hagex, died on Sunday evening after reportedly being attacked by a man he had argued with online. The suspect, Hidemitsu Matsumoto, allegedly followed Okamoto into the toilets after he had ended his talk at a venue in the south-western city of Fukuoka.

Okamoto was stabbed several times before staggering out of the toilets after his assailant, who fled on a bicycle, according to the Mainichi Shimbun newspaper. Okamoto, who sustained stab wounds to the chest and neck, was taken to hospital where he was confirmed dead. His attacker reportedly handed himself in almost three hours after the attack.

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  1. I must have read this right when it came out. by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 5, Insightful

    stabbed to death minutes after giving a seminar on how to resolve personal disputes on the internet.

    Not to be snarky here, but my first thought after reading this was "So I guess that's exactly NOT what you should do, huh?" (Sorry to be morbid.)

    At least the guy turned himself in soon afterwards. But he bothered the guy online, even kept making new IDs to hassle the guy after the previous one was disabled.

    What the hell is wrong with people? "Someone's wrong on the internet / in life and it's my duty / job / addiction to permanently correct them? Get over yourself and come up with a better argument. Make them come over to your side instead. Hell, maybe you'll even learn something yourself.

    Winston Churchill: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

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    1. Re:I must have read this right when it came out. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Could just be a twist on the classic stalker, who thinks he didn't get the attention he deserved from his target. Less about the concrete difference of opinions, but the fact that he thought he deserved replies.

    2. Re:I must have read this right when it came out. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What the hell is wrong with people? "Someone's wrong on the internet / in life and it's my duty / job / addiction to permanently correct them? Get over yourself and come up with a better argument. Make them come over to your side instead. Hell, maybe you'll even learn something yourself.

      Scott Adams has theorized that you simply can't reason with any human being and get them to change their mind on anything because all decisions are made on emotions, not facts. While I don't agree with him and have a differing theory, I can't at this time disprove his theory.

      I have a different theory that I'm not sure I want to fully go into here, but I'll summarize. I suspect that about 10% of the population sees everything in black and white terms. According to my theory, you simply can't reason with such people because they don't see anything in terms of gray and even worse, they don't understand that the way they see the world isn't how the vast majority of humans see it. So when you try to reason with them on anything they have a different opinion on, they think you are crazy because they think you have access to the exact same information they do and see the universe in the exact same way they do so thus you are stubbornly refusing to go along with reality by having a different point of view. They are truly incapable of understanding a different point of view on a subject.

      It could also simply be that the killer is mentally ill and none of the above applies. And in reply to another comment elsewhere, all I can say is killing someone you disagree with and then turning yourself in to the police and is a very Asian and in particular a very Japanese thing to do.

    3. Re:I must have read this right when it came out. by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Freedom to be an asshole doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of being an asshole.

    4. Re:I must have read this right when it came out. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have a different theory that I'm not sure I want to fully go into here, but I'll summarize. I suspect that about 10% of the population sees everything in black and white terms.

      In a more or less recent conversation here about bad cops, someone brought up a possibly apocryphal but plausible-sounding anecdote about a cop suggesting that there's about 15% good cops, 15% bad cops, and the rest are followers who will just go along with whatever is happening. We could argue about the percentages (both in policing, and the general population) but I think a similar effect is at work in simply thinking. About 15% of people think, about 15% of people refuse to think, and the rest just go along with whatever is happening around them. If the people around them are thinking, they will give it a go. If the people around them aren't, they won't.

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    5. Re:I must have read this right when it came out. by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They need to look at our progressive American way of doing things instead: throw people out of your restaurant, get them fired, and gather in mobs outside their house.

      Or the conservative American way of doing things, throw people out of your bakery or restaurant, get them fired, gather in mobs outside their house, shoot them at church, firebomb their business....

    6. Re:I must have read this right when it came out. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There aren't so many Nazis still running around. They've mostly aged out. So you're not talking about Nazis, you're talking about "people who I don't like, and so label Nazis so I'm free to advocate violence against them". Don't do that.

      He's not. He's talking about people marching around with RaHoWa banners and torches, chanting "Blood and soil! Blood and Soil!"

      And like most intelligent people, he's decided that people who look like Nazis, act like Nazis, and talk like Nazis are, for all practical purposes, Nazis.

      You are either a sympathiser or incredibly naïve to interpret it otherwise. Which is it?

      (That's a rhetorical question; it's pretty obvious from your sig that you are in fact an apologist for such types.)

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  2. Worst argument ever? by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So I guess we can safely assume that he wasn't as great at resolving internet arguments as he thought he was?

    Because an argument that lead to one of the parties getting to pissed off they decided to find the other in meatspace so that could stab them to death can't have ended particularly well...

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    1. Re:Worst argument ever? by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you resolve an argument with a deranged person? That's a different type of negotiating skill

  3. The tally is up to 3 now... by fibonacci8 · · Score: 5, Funny
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  4. Re:seminar on resolving internet issues? by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My understanding is that the Japanese consider the risk of being caught of a crime to be pretty high, which it AFAIK is as their police isn't as overburdened as police is in many parts of the world, and you do get an unusually large amount of leniency if you do it. If you know you're almost definitely going to get caught, it's probably not worth it trying to run or cover your tracks.

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  5. Lunatics on world stage by Martin+S. · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is also the case of the guy that flew from New Zealand to the US to attack teenage girl, and was shot.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor...

  6. Hey ladies! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    For your information, I give seminars on how to avoid crazy sex with multiple gorgeous women.

    Hint hint...

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    1. Re:Hey ladies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, your are still getting stabbed. The only thing changes is by whom.

  7. Wrong assumption by sinij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Deceased made wrong assumption - that you could resolve arguments and reach understanding with all people. This is just not true.

    Additionally, Internet is unlike person-to-person communication in a way that you don't screen your audience for sanity and you don't get non-verbal clues giving you an early warning that someone is about to blow the lid.

    More so, once people made up their mind it is virtually impossible to change their mind with logic. People change their behavior and convictions due to pain (social or otherwise) and not due to being convinced by evidence and reason.

    As such, the only rational approach to online and social media discourse is to act pseudonymously and acrimoniously.

    1. Re:Wrong assumption by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, doxing is a thing regardless of how you behave. There are plenty of rational, civil, and well-meaning people that were dragged by a social mob. It is almost arbitrary on who gets targeted and why.
       
        Acting rationally and civilly is a handicap if your goal is to advance your ideas. Slogans and soundbites, shaming and insulting, and marginalization and uncharitable vilification of opposing views is by far more effective.
       
      This isn't how it should be, but this is how it is. Our society and norms are not designed for instant, global, and non-individual communication.

  8. Re:seminar on resolving internet issues? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That said, I have to wonder what drove his attacker to (a) kill him, then (b) turn himself in within a few hours (but not immediately)....

    That's not uncommon, actually.

    People do the crime out of high emotion, then a little reason kicks back in afterward and they realize their situation is hopeless and they will be hunted down anyway.

    I actually know someone who did that (though he turned himself in in a couple of days, not hours).

  9. Re:He was good, but... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...his opponent's technique was cutting edge.

    Stop being a hack: any way you slice it, it's too soon for using a sharp wit to mock his death.

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  10. Re:The illusion of safety by butzwonker · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's because you've shifted the goalpost from "someone is out there to kill you" to "preventing violence".

    You seem to be suggesting that because the average person isn't likely to be able to stop a carefully planned murder that, therefore, all of those people who DO defend themselves should just give up and let their attackers have their way.

    No, I do not seem to be suggesting that. Learn how to read & understand texts!

  11. Re: Okamoto Killed in Fukuoka by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like they need "sensible knife laws" in Japan....

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  12. Re:The illusion of safety by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Killing somebody in anger is only "easy' if you're a psychopath. It's hard to imagine a non-psychopath saying such a thing. Who's anger raises to the level of murderousness? That's serious mental illness - which is the real violence problem in society.

    I'll tell you who does want to kill you though - Mao, Stalin, Pol-Pot, Leopold II, and Hitler. They are empirically far more dangerous.

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  13. Re:The illusion of safety by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Killing somebody in anger is only "easy' if you're a psychopath. It's hard to imagine a non-psychopath saying such a thing. Who's anger raises to the level of murderousness? That's serious mental illness - which is the real violence problem in society.

    I'll tell you who does want to kill you though - Mao, Stalin, Pol-Pot, Leopold II, and Hitler. They are empirically far more dangerous.

    Killing someone in anger *is* easy. That's a crime of passion, and it happens all the time, around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    You don't have to be a psychopath, nor a sociopath for that, you only need to recognize that humans are prone to fits of extremes. In fact, being a psychopath is the absolute opposite of killing someone in anger. It's killing someone without feeling anything. I think I'm probably a psychopath; but I haven't killed enough people to tell.

    I said all that to say this - human life is cheap. There are more of us every day. There haven't even been any significant wars or depopulation events in living memory to make us feel fragile as a species. There are plenty of people who can look around themselves and see that no one is particularly important. Taking a life is socially repugnant, but ultimately irrelevant.

    If you've seen the movie "Punisher" or movies like it and thought, "Those men deserved to die," you're closer to the latter. If you refuse to watch it, or have seen it and thought, "He has no right to kill those men" you're closer to the former. In the context of this article, I treat everyone with respect - even people I hate, and it amazes me every time I see someone provoke another intentionally to rage - because you never know who might be ready to justify killing you - ranging from that blind rage crime of passion, to the coldly calculated, "I can make the world a little better for their absence."

  14. Re:How Could This Happen... by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When are you guys going to start a revolution with your pea-shooters? I heard that is why you need them: to protect us from a tyrannical government. So...when?

    If it's ever necessary, it will happen the same way it did last time. Citizens with guns, mostly ex-military and led by ex-military, will take military armories on the first day of the war. Military bases are gun-free zones, after all. (Yes, really, a soldier can't even carry his own personal gun on base.)

    Half the militia that fought the British troops in the Battles of Lexington and Concord were exactly the cliche - bunches of dumb, poorly trained hicks all related to one another. But half weren't, and they accomplished something.

    If you don't know US history, it might surprise you that the war started when the governor sent troops to confiscate military-style weapons from the populace. Didn't work out well for him, in the end.

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