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Feds Ran a Bitcoin-Laundering Sting For Over a Year (theverge.com)

More than 40 alleged dark-web drug dealers have been arrested as part of a sweeping federal effort by the Department of Justice as "the first national undercover operation targeting dark net vendors." The Verge reports: The core of the operation was an online money-laundering business seized by agents from Homeland Security Investigations and operated as a sting for over a year. By offering cash for bitcoin, HSI agents were able to identify specific drug dealers, ultimately tracing more than $20 million in drug-linked cryptocurrency transactions. The hijacked money-laundering service was offered across a number of different marketplaces, with agents claiming at least some presence on AlphaBay, Dream Market, Wall Street, and others.

So far, prosecutions have been launched across 19 states as a result of the operation, seizing more than $3.6 million in cash. The same raids seized large quantities of Schedule IV pharmaceuticals -- including 100,000 tramadol pills and over 24 kilograms of Xanax -- as is typical of trade on dark net markets. Agents also recovered more than 300 models of liquid synthetic opioids and roughly 100 grams of fentanyl. Further investigations are still ongoing.

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  1. The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's astounding how quickly the Bitcoin hype has disappeared. Last December it was all that we were hearing about. Then the value collapsed earlier this year, and now we hear almost nothing. It has gone back to being a niche novelty. Given how badly so many foolish people were burned by its most recent decline in value, it's more and more unlikely that a new and sufficiently large batch of fools will be found any time soon to allow for another overhauling of Bitcoin. To really put it in perspective, even NoSQL managed to retain its level of hype longer than Bitcoin did, and NoSQL was a much feebler and useless set of technologies.

    1. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      What was the trouble? They were for sale on CBOE.

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    2. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      If people would stop using Bitcoin as an imaginary digital investment, it would actually make a decent medium of exchange now that mechanisms for securely faster transactions are being developed. A mature cryptocurrency would be one whose value didn't keep fluctuating wildly week by week.

    3. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "A mature cryptocurrency would be one whose value didn't keep fluctuating wildly week by week."

      But then, how a constant-rate/constant volume currency can cope with demand fluctuations?

    4. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's it. You could buy a large house with your millions in bitcoin but you choose to live in your parents basement. Sure.

    5. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, even a non-speculative cryptocurrency would be subject to the money supply problem, which is that the amount of any mined-out currency (cost of generating any more is ludicrously high in energy cost, like BTC) stays constant, while the sum of all the things it can be traded for keeps growing. This causes a steady fall in the amount of coin it takes to buy goods, which makes buying and holding the currency itself an irresistible deal. So although a stable crypto could be a viable medium of exchange in the short run, any money supply held constant is subject to rising in price in comparison to what it trades for.

      That is why every fiat currency is managed by a central bank that is supposed to monitor economic activity and gradually issue more money as the volume of traded goods increases. In the real world the currencies we buy and hold are determined by investors' perception of how good the judgement of the Federal Reserve is in comparison to, say, the Swiss National Bank.

      After all these years the best non-fiat 'currency' is still gold. It is not managed, yet all cultures understand its value and trade it freely, and the amount of it in existence slowly grows through mining at about two to three percent a year. This closely tracks the long-run increase in fungible goods, so although investors use it as a store of value at times when their economies are in trouble, its long-term value remains roughly the same.

    6. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      You could have simply purchased futures.

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    7. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      the libertarian anarchistic philosophy

      Libertarianism and Anarchism are two quite different things. Conflating them is just a way to make the reactionary ideas behind Libertarianism sound hip.

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    8. Re:The Bitcoin hype has dried up already! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Smart rich people don't sink money into Ferraris.

      If you're actually rich, then the difference in price of a few hundred thousand dollars between a Ferrari and a Fiat Panda is irrelevant.

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  2. Was wondering when this was going to happen by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Crypto currencies base value is almost entirely on drugs, money laundering and ransomware payments. Legitimate businesses like Steam got out of it when it got to volatile to consider a currency.

    Legalize Marijuana and I suspect you'll see the bottom fall out of Crypto currencies. Heck, legalize all drugs and treat the hard ones (cocaine & heroine) like the medical conditions that they are and that's basically that.

    I can't say I'd be sad to see them go. It's a tremendous waste of electricity for not much in return. You're not going to get freedom from Government & Corporation backed fiat currencies out of it. If it ever came to that they'd just move in and take over. Heck, by all accounts Bitcoin's price has been manipulated by a bunch of folks out of China for the last year or two. Meanwhile it's nice to see GPU prices slowly coming back to Earth.

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    1. Re:Was wondering when this was going to happen by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The NSA follows the math on every payment.
      The FBI waits at the payment and product end.
      The DEA follows all the product.
      The IRS is ready for any strange cash/banking movements.

      The question is then who told everyone to "trust" computers and a payment method the NSA/FBI could track in real time?

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    2. Re:Was wondering when this was going to happen by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Actually based on some charts, news announcements and government policy (in China) I suspect a good portion of it, was used to funnel money out in to the Canadian, Australian and New Zealand property markets.

      China has continued to crack down on the currency, to a point it's difficult to hide laundering money into a 4 bedroom AAA quality property in downtown Vancouver. This has impacted housing in Vancouver (as well as the recent tax policies in that location) as well as the price of bitcoin.

      I will say, I can't see it hitting 20k again, any time soon.

    3. Re:Was wondering when this was going to happen by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Crypto currencies base value is almost entirely on drugs, money laundering and ransomware payments.

      Errr no, not even remotely. Crypto currencies' base value is almost entirely speculation, financial fuckery, and idiots investing in dodgy exchanges.

      The only thing real that cryptocurrencies are pegged against is ransomware which don't change depending on the bitcoin / dollar value. Drugs and money laundering on the other hand are pegged against the dollar and the bitcoin transactions make up a small amount of that so they have borderline no influence at all. If drugs and money laundering were the basis for bitcoin the price would be far more stable.

      You can see that clearly when bitcoin's price barely blips when a major drug site gets taken down, but spikes wildly when some idiot on wallstreet opens their mouth. Now we also have futures to speculate with further removing the value of some cryptocurrencies from anything tangible.

    4. Re:Was wondering when this was going to happen by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      You're correct if you very specifically limit your scope to the crazy volatility we've seen over the last year or so, but go earlier than that (particularly 2 or more years ago) and most of the transactions for bitcoin really were related to drugs, money laundering for organized crime and ransomware payments. Sure, some of parts of those customer groups have left for other crypto "currencies" as bitcoin has become crazy volatile, but now that the bottom has pretty much fallen out of the speculator market they are making up a larger and larger portion of all the transactions.

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    5. Re:Was wondering when this was going to happen by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and most of the transactions for bitcoin really were related to drugs

      No. Most transactions for bitcoin where trading bitcoin for dollars. This happened many orders of magnitudes more than all other combined products including drugs. And while drugs did and still does make up a large portion of product related bitcoin purchases, the cost of the drugs is pegged against the dollar and floats against the bitcoin. They do NOT peg the the bitcoin to anything tangible, and the drug dealers would be incredibly stupid to do so.

  3. The war on drugs was declared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    because Nixon couldn't declare war on hippies.

    After getting marijuana legalized we really need to decriminalize possession of other drugs (possession is "punished" by treatment, only dealers face jail), and start looking into what else could be safely legalized.

    1. Re:The war on drugs was declared by fafalone · · Score: 1

      So basically your plan is to retain all the property crime to fund addictions at black market prices, all the gang violence, all the cartel violence, all the militarized police, all the civil rights violations, in exchange for what, exactly? Spending all that money incarcerating the supply chain instead of on more education, treatment, and prevention will still leave you with more abuse and addiction than a legal supply. (Legal != OTC so let's not start with that)
      Decriminalization isn't even a half-step, it's more like a tenth-step for people who *still* don't realize exactly why the War on Drugs is a failure. PS- Nixon ramped it up but prohibition as a drug control policy dates to 1914 and the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act.

  4. They hate bitcoin by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    If they could, they would get rid of bitcoin, just like the did to e-gold.

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  5. Re:War on drugs is useless by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    The stock market is a great way to earn a lot of money. Invest in an S&P 500 tracking fund, leave it there for MANY MANY years, and you'll likely have much more in the end.

    Anyone who isn't investing in the stock market is missing out.

  6. Re:War on drugs is useless by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Think of the contractor overtime at the NSA and GCHQ collecting on all cryptocurrency changes. Every move from cash to cryptocurrency. All use of cryptocurrency.
    The move from cryptocurrency back to cash. The where and when. With a hidden FBI camera on a pole over looking the digital "transactions".

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  7. Re: War on drugs is useless by mspohr · · Score: 1

    I was referring to the manipulaters and scam artists who have taken over Wall Street.
    You're right. Invest in an index fund and ignore the manipulaters.

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  8. Re:WTF Tramadol? by E-Rock · · Score: 1

    I wonder if you can cut some other drug with it. Either that or junkies have figured out some way to make it fun.

  9. Re:WTF Tramadol? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    It's an addictive opioid that can cause hallucinations.

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  10. FBI caused the Bitcoin surge by ghoul · · Score: 1

    I guess the rise in the bitcoin price in December was the US Govt buying Bitcoin for cash

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  11. Ohhh, that sounds like Rassah's alley! by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Please tell me one of the bigger 'bitcon' evangelists got caught up in this. Rassah is nothing but libertarian scum.

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    1. Re:Ohhh, that sounds like Rassah's alley! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      In case anyone else didn't know who Rassah is (emphasis is mine)...

      Dmitry Murashchik, who goes under the name Rassah, runs Bitcoin 100, which exists to persuade existing charities to accept donations using virtual cash. In January last year, an anonymous donor gave Rassah's organization a donation worth about 180 BTC. At the time, this was worth about $2,600, but with the cryptocurrency's appreciation since then, it is worth approximately $150,000.

      With no way of tracking the money or the donor, Rassah had no choice but to accept it to help finance his fledgling non-profit, which offers charities a $1,000 prize if they begin accepting online donations using bitcoin.

      “We received a sizable donation of about 180BTC at around the same time as a few exchanges were hacked and robbed,” Rassah said in an email. “I suspect the money was stolen. Since there was nothing I could do to figure out where the money came from, we ended up keeping it.”

      Not only does he want to bribe charities to accept donations in BitCoin, he wants them to accept donations whose provenance he himself admits (a) cannot be shown to be legitimate and (b) is very likely directly connected to criminal activity. No charity with at least the good sense that God granted a goat is going to go for any of that.

      Not merely scum, but very stupid scum.

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    2. Re:Ohhh, that sounds like Rassah's alley! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2
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    3. Re:Ohhh, that sounds like Rassah's alley! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "We'd like to give all this money away"

      "We cannot find enough charities"

      Yup, because nobody's touching that illicit faker-than-fiat money.

      This guy drives around in a Prius with the license plate BITCOIN, if you ever wanted to know. Easy enough to spot. See it, you know to avoid the whole area, because where he lies, plenty of other fraudsters are most likely gathered as well.

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  12. Re:War on drugs is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While that is historically true, particularly since end of WWII...
    The real estate banking WQ game since 2008, and the change in world dynamics, has changed the game.
    The US is no longer an assured thing.
    S&P is primarily US based.
    It will rise or tank with the US.

    Only global agnostic funds will prevail now.

  13. Active pharmaceutical component by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tramadol is like Ibuprofen++. {...} and used by people that are in actual pain

    The only thing in common between tramadol and ibuprofen is that they both releive pain and that's about it.

    Ibuporofen is a type of non-steroid anti inflammation drug (NSAID). Basically it's "aspirin++" with its own set of set-backs and advantages (it's hard on the stomach. Can also affect the kidneys)

    Tramadol is an opioid, it work on the same pain receptors as morphine and heroin, and has a different set of drawbacks that it share with these substance (risk of addiction. Causes often constipation and can cause urinary globe).

    - Because it's addictive, it's much more difficult to obtain a prescription. Some people in actual pain might resort to illegal channel to obtain what they need (whil avoiding a high doctor fee, eg.)

    - Because it's addictive, if it's not managed correctly, it can lead to addiction, and some people need to constantly get doses to avoid pain (either the people who got it from above, or people who didn't manage it correctly while prescribed by a doctor). They'll use illegal channel to keep fueling their addiction.

    - It's an opioid. Somebody is bound to find some dubious way to use it recreatively. They'll also use illegal channels to obtain it.

    The same kind of thinking can be also applied to the other drugs. Xanax contains alprazolam, a type of benzodiazepine - a class of drugs that is used as tranquilizers (against stress, to help sleep, etc.) which is also highly addictive.

    Overall, these aren't illegal drugs. They are perfectly normal pharmaceutical component, only very strictly regulated ones.

    To me, it looks like a sizeable chunk of the illegal drug market that US gov agencies are fighting isn't only druggies that want to get high (LSD, shrooms, etc.) but also people with medical condition that weren't managed properly and slowly devolved into an addiction.

    If the other side of the Atlantic pond didn't have such a joke of a healthcare and social welfare system, maybe lots of these addict would have been able to afford going to the doctor, would have had better managed problem and wouldn't be resorting to illegal channel and fueling the drug market.

    Yes, I know, we "evil-euro-communist"...

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    1. Re:Active pharmaceutical component by Hodr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was all ready to mark your comment insightful until the end when you claim socialized medicine somehow prevents opiod addiction from prescription meds.

      Here's a recent BBC article claiming the exact opposite, that the NHS is creating drug addicts.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-en...

      So go ahead, pretend this is an American only issue.

    2. Re:Active pharmaceutical component by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      I'm from "the Atlantic pond" and despite having public healthcare systems where patients pay nothing or next to nothing for (good) healthcare we still have issues, thou much lesser ones, with recreational use of addictive painkillers and tranquilizers.

      I have close family in the medical field so I'm pretty well aware of the situation over here and the main reason why we have much less opioid addiction is that we just don't give them out like doctors do in the U.S. One very important factor when a doctor determines what kind of painkiller to prescribe to a patient is the effect on their quality of life. Opioid-based painkillers are very effective, but they're also highly addictive so doctors need to weigh the additional pain relief against a potentially life-long addiction that can also escalate rather badly. The upshot of this is that opioid-based painkillers are only really used for extreme pain (like from life-threatening injuries) or to people suffering from terminal illness and this the effects of addiction won't last very long or have much time to go out of control.

      My dad, a doctor with over 30 years of experience as a general practitioner, put it like this: "If you're going to be dead from cancer within the next year or so, it doesn't really matter if you get addicted to your pain medication. However if you've still got decades of life left it's another story". He's also told me about how he and pretty much his whole profession are horrified with how in the U.S drug companies are allowed to advertise addictive prescription medication directly to consumers.

      Oh and before you blame our issues with recreational use of painkillers and tranquilizers, those very rarely start from patient self-medication. It's pretty much always completely recreational.

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  14. No magic pixie dust by DrYak · · Score: 2

    you claim socialized medicine somehow prevents opiod addiction from prescription meds.
    So go ahead, pretend this is an American only issue.

    I think you might have missed the conditionals I've been using :

    maybe lots of these addict would have been able to afford going to the doctor, would have had better managed problem and wouldn't be resorting to illegal channel and fueling the drug market.

    Noticed ?

    I don't claim that socialized medicine is magic wand that you can wave away prescription meds addiction.

    I claim that is possible that maybe, by making medicine more affordable, some potential addicts will get their problem better treated, and this could help avoid these to try instead some botched forms of self-medication that turns into addictions.

    i.e.: some of the addict are actually patients that started with chronic pain problems, but couldn't afford to have them correctly handled by a professional. And by correctly, I mean considereing *All the options* to manage pain (see randomly quickly googled ref, still corresponds to the complexity I've learned in my studies). The problems is that all of these solution cost time and money.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-43304375

    From the exact same source (BBC) :
    - Why opioids are such an American problem. In addition to the title :

    When it comes to taking opioids, the United States has the dubious honour of leading the world.
    For every one million Americans, almost 50,000 doses of opioids are taken every day. That's four times the rate in the UK.

    and if you look about it, several of the listed problems boil down to "not enough resource in health care" (Pill being better re-imbursed than physiotherapy, US doctors earningn more money from kickbacks than salary, no ressource spent in proper pain-management training, etc.) though some are entirely cultural (population brainwashed by ads into "asking for {brand name} pill", unrealistic age-related expectations, online rating of doctors, ...)

    - 'Growing problem' of addiction to prescription drugs probed says :

    Public Health England is launching a review into the "growing problem" of prescription drug addiction. {...} PHE wants to avoid a situation like the one in the US, where there's been a massive increase in addiction to opioids.

    . (i.e.: BBC and PHE thinks that though UK has a problem, it isn't as bad as US).

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  15. Oblig. SHUM by Plugh · · Score: 1

    There is a reason the darknet markets are rapidly moving away from Bitcoin and into Monero
    SHUM

    1. Re:Oblig. SHUM by yarbo · · Score: 1

      How would Monero help if a user continuously converted thousands from Monero into cash by mail per month using a DEA honeypot? Paying Monero for cash would still be sufficient to get a warrant and I don't see how anything would change for the vendors.

  16. What's the ROI from a taxpayer's perspective? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    How much did the gov't spend to recover that $3.6 cash? And they tracked $20 million in total transactions? That seems pretty light-weight. One US state had over $600 million in MJ sales the first year it was legalized. Ok, so they recovered some opioids and fentanyl, much to dismay of Trump supporters, but damn, guys. Show me the cocaine.

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  17. It was pushing $5k before the speculators got in by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and it's only around $6k now. Yeah, some of that value is speculators, but nowhere near all of it.

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  18. Re:It was pushing $5k before the speculators got i by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    and it's only around $6k now. Yeah, some of that value is speculators, but nowhere near all of it.

    Don't be silly. People have been speculating against bitcoin since you could get it for a dollar. Just because the crazy stupid price spike in the past year was entirely wallstreet doesn't change the fact that bitcoin's value is not pegged against any product and that trading from and to currencies is and always has been several orders of magnitude higher than any movement between accounts or in exchange for products.