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Microsoft Removes 'Sets' Tabbed Windows Feature From Next Release (groovypost.com)
The much-anticipated Sets feature has been pulled from the newest Windows 10 Redstone 5 build and there's no word when it will return. As groovyPost reports, "The Sets feature is a tabbed-windows experience that lets you group together different apps on your desktop." It's like having different tabs open in your browser, but for apps and File Explorer. From the report: Details on why it was removed and when it will come back have been vague. Microsoft made the announcement about Sets in [yesterday's] blog post about preview build 17704: "Thank you for your continued support of testing Sets. We continue to receive valuable feedback from you as we develop this feature helping to ensure we deliver the best possible experience once it's ready for release. Starting with this build, we're taking Sets offline to continue making it great. Based on your feedback, some of the things we're focusing on include improvements to the visual design and continuing to better integrate Office and Microsoft Edge into Sets to enhance workflow. If you have been testing Sets, you will no longer see it as of today's build, however, Sets will return in a future WIP flight. Thanks again for your feedback."
The Taskbar is like a radio push button thingy already, so the "need" for 'Sets' isn't pressing.
by who? any time I see a client with a windows 10 workstation. I shake my head and say "to bad you should have stayed with windows 7 pro"
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Just my 2 cents
software. They can't even add a simple feature to the most commonly used tool on Windows. You'd think at least one team there could be productive considering how siloed they are. My best friend from high school got a job with them when their HQ was in Bellevue (think that was in 1980) and many more people I know have worked there over the years, and they've all complained about things never improving. You'd think by chance some group would figure-out how to make better software then others would copy what they're doing.
Not here, I barely even remember hearing about it, and can't figure out what it would be good for. I am, however, anticipating further improvements to the Windows Linux subsystem.
Something that groups programs together according to your preference.
It seems like we used to have something like that in Windows
--- Mercutio was right.
MicroIncompetents can't implement an obvious feature from the 90's since their devs are Visual Beginners. Fucking sad
Since tablets came out people have been screaming at Google to implement a nice multi pane system for tablets.....
Instead they implemented the splitting windows feature from Windows 1.0, and focussed on ChromeOS's piss poor WIMP clone.
At the moment its the battle of the incompetent leadership. Microsoft have time because Google clearly don't have direction other than "try to copy what Microsoft did and see if it sells". Meanwhile Microsoft is trying to implement what Google *should* be implementing in Android to smoothly run multiple apps on tablets with a few flicks of the fingers.
...and she still would have been better than Trump.
Stop, please just stop.
Don't move buttons around. Don't add weird auto-width-changing scroll bars. I don't care how much time all these things might in theory save in the future, but if you change the UI too frequently, all that is lost to the reduction in efficiency when people try to figure out how to do the things that they used to do.
I was wondering when "Trump is Literal Hitler" would evolve into "Trump is Literal Satan". The 'Hitler' thing has a 3 year track record of total failure, and Satan is just about the only place left to escalate to.
(Of course this is exactly why Trump prodded the media into going full-"Hitler" from the moment he announced. Once he survived that, there was nothing left that the media could ever do to damage him.)
YES. Bring back a polished MDI, PLEASE.
This is one of the few things that would convince me to use Windows 10. (maybe)
A fully global MDI API that a program could use would be great.
This way literally any program could add support for it, which most would since this is a feature that targets people with heavy workflows across multiple programs, AKA business, their biggest business! No way would any application developers miss out on support.
Being able to double-click a button, "Media Editing", and have it launch some explorer tabs for your files, an audio editor, a video editor, maybe a sample editor, lyrics document(?), and some others all at once, with all files loaded, and potentially even the last state in each program, would be GREAT!
Imagine how quickly you could get back in to the flow of things if that was a thing.
Now imagine it across a business with multiple workflows all across unassigned multi-user systems.
It would save so much time fannying around launching things and getting back to where you were.
God I wish for this feature in the modern day. I miss MDI. So much.
This is truly innovative copying of screens from the Amiga Workbench circa 1985. Good job, Microsoft!
> Re:"much-anticipated"
Not here either. This is a marketing-speak regurgitated by Slashdot who are too lazy to find interesting stories. Go to Alexa.com and type in 'slashdot.org' and watch its continuing plunge into obscurity under the mehditorship or beauhd and msmash.
making more ways to spy on users, deliver ads, and force-feed unwanted apps, to actually bother making new features people might actually want.
My name is BeauHD and I'm a faggot!
But making all those changes means you're no longer on Agile.
The whole thing is a waste of time.
Corruption in 3rd world nations is what causes them to be shitholes. Trump was the right choice over Hilary to avoid that fate.
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The media has gotten lazy. It is quite impossible to pull something from a release that was never announced for a release. Sets has been in the wild only in Redstone development builds. It didn't have a shipping date.
The only thing Microsoft has done is confirm that it won't make the upcoming Windows 10 update. Nothing has been pulled.
It's called the Task Bar.
n/t
20 years after Linux did, M$ still can't understand the concept of virtual desktops.
This feature has been present in fluxbox for decades. Any set of open windows can be tabbed together. Wish all window managers had that.
"What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
I don't think Satan would like being compared to Trump.
He'd be like: "all hell no!"
Display splitting is the feature we need for 4k displays.
I have a 43" 4k display (which is basically the display size where 4k has a useful native dot pitch) and while that much screen real estate is useful for some visual applications (drawing, etc), most of the time it's not efficient for single windows. Manual sizing and moving is a nuisance.
I use "Display Fusion" which can do basic monitor splitting (so zoom/minimize, etc) treat split regions as separate displays. But things that want to go "full screen" (like web video) still go full physical screen.
It'd be nice to have Windows itself split the displays, perhaps using the existing multi-monitor interface so that Windows itself treated unique display regions as if they were distinct physical monitors to override the "full screen" behavior of other apps.
It might also be that the real place to do this is in the display driver -- split your display up in that, and then it presents Windows with your logical displays as if they were actually physical displays, but I haven't seen that ability in a display driver.
... because the US isn't on its way to become a corrupt shithole at lightning speed? (rolls eyes)
Give it a few years, but the Donald may get his wall, and a bonus wall up north. To keep the fleeing Americans out.
Trump LESS corrupt than Hillary??? Holy hell that's some delusion. What exactly about his well known organized crime connections, Trump University, and well known money laundering, among countless other scandals, could possibly possess you to believe that he wouldn't carry that corruption into office? He did, in spades, even ignoring anything Russia-related. Net neutrality? Pruitt in the EPA? Carson at HUD? His rampant nepotism? This is unparalleled corruption you dolt. Hillary was certainly corrupt, but you're talking 4/10 vs 11/10 corrupt against known-fraudster Trump who is blatantly selling out everywhere, to say nothing of the countless other problems with him.
I've been using insider builds in which it was supposed to be enabled, but it never was. All the settings for it were missing. I used a tool to force it on in one build, but it didn't carry over when I updated so I gave up.
Part of their mission is a familiar and consistent UI. So far it's been great and hassle free.
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The Atari 400/800/1200 series had something similar to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_family#Playfield_graphics_capabilities
It were as awesome as BeOS.
certainly not how it was imposed at my work (key word: imposed). became a micromanagement structure so managers could feel like they're "managing" and tell their stories of "making progress". that work might have gotten done was a curious side note. The narrative being told upstream was most important.
Haiku's tabs are glorious, and would be a great addition to Windows.
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It would be very nice if they allowed a program's fullscreen viewport to be containerized. I suspect you are like me, I like my pixels (text need merely be legible, and raster graphics need to be 1:1 pixel registration, or it's pointless) and information first (the more the better, not 80% whitespace), smoothness a distant second. Microsoft seems to want to push to make things smooth (i.e. high DPI). I'd certainly accept some loss of features/teething problems if it was possible/reasonable to port open source video driver efforts for decent video cards to Windows' current display driver model. Unfortunately, this would likely be met with resistance due to high resolution video DRM and related crap, if it's even possible.
For now, I suspect that the closest you'll get is running things inside of a VM; as these typically don't use game-like fullscreen mode setting, they might work with Display Fusion, etc., but the loss of performance (and many other caveats of running software in VMs) might make it a non-starter.
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
I'm actually kind of puzzled why this isn't an obvious display adapter/driver feature. It seems like presenting Windows with 4 virtual monitors shouldn't be that big a deal because each one just represents a slice of a larger memory buffer and I'd wager there's some kind of MMU on the graphics card that could manage virtualizing a virtual display's space without a problem.
It used to be a feature back in the old days of going the other way around -- telling Windows your monitor was much *bigger* than it really was and having a 1600x1200 desktop when you could only physically display 1024x768 or something.
I guess it could also be a monitor feature, since I think at least DisplayPort can daisy chain displays, but it would be less flexible and annoying to setup than a GUI configuration and I don't know that HDMI has that kind of pass-thru feature.
Now.
There is already a third party piece of software that does the same job. Why does MS need to do their own version?
Stardock Groupy which runs on win7/8/10 might worth looking at.
If one doesn't mind using somewhat antiquated tech, the closest I can think of in hardware would be the IBM T220/T221 monitors (occasionally showing up on eBay for $1000)... their interfaces lacked the bandwidth to individually drive the full 3840x2400 px panel (sadly nobody seems to make panels at this size anymore), so it divided up the screen into several segments, with apparently a fairly high level of flexibility (including 4x DVI connections @ 1920x1200, and an actually somewhat decent 48Hz refresh in the later revisions). Not sure how much this capability varies between the various monitor revisions, aside from the older ones having rather slow refresh (~20Hz, i think) for similar configurations. It's slightly depressing to think that this was possible 15+ years ago, but never caught on.
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
I also recently revisited my old love for desktop panning when faced with the nuisance of modern software (non-collapsible UI elements leading to a ridiculously small viewport) on a 1920x1080 monitor, working on 1920x1080 content. There is a less-than-well-known feature of MS RDP called 'superpan', and if you can bear with the limitations and occasional glitchiness that come with remote desktops, you can pan a desktop up to 4096x4096 from a remote machine. Why this very, very useful capability was dumped from most modern graphics systems, I have no clue.
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
I've never understood why if RDP can do panning and downscaling why those features aren't part of the basic UI/screen resolution.
Plenty of times I've defined RDP sessions with a remote desktop larger in resolution than my physical screen but scaled down. Much of the time it's useful, even if for monitoring or reference purposes.
The stupidity of modern UIs really is a problem, especially web ones and their pointlessly excess whitespace.
We already had tabbed browsing for the desktop. It was called the Taskbar. Then Microsoft tried to copy the OSX Dock principles of combining multiple functions under one button and they broke everything.
Maybe they should focus on making Explorer more like Total Commander or Directory Opus. I can't believe how difficult it still is to copy files back and forth, forcing you to shuffle windows around or have one full-screen window open at a time. Oh, and bring back Quick Launch while you're at it.
The stupidity of modern UIs really is a problem, especially web ones and their pointlessly excess whitespace.
You and I are clearly of one mind there.
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
Hold the windows key and press the Left or Right arrows to "full screen" dock the window to the left or right half of the monitor, respectively.
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