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Despite FCC's Promise To Take Aggressive Action To Stamp Out Radio Pirates, Illegal Stations Are Flourishing (newyorker.com)

Last year, when Donald Trump appointed Ajit Pai chairman of the F.C.C., Pai promised to "take aggressive action" to stamp out pirates. In early May, the Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcement, or PIRATE, Act was introduced in Congress; it would increase fines from a maximum of a hundred and forty-four thousand dollars to two million dollars. But the stations aren't going away, The New Yorker reports. From the article: Transmission equipment has only become cheaper and more sophisticated. "The problem, as I see it, is that the technology has gone beyond what the law has been able to do," said David Goren, a local resident who works as a producer on licensed radio shows. Between 87.9 and 92.1 FM, Goren counted eleven illegal stations, whose hosts mainly spoke Creole or accented English. Pirates, he said, "offer a kind of programming that their audiences depend on. Spiritual sustenance, news, immigration information, music created at home or in the new home, here."

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  1. Is there an app for that? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pirate radio? They should make an app for that. Maybe call it Arrrrrrrdio?

    Don't worry, I'll show myself out

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  2. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The public airwaves are not a free market and never have been. They've always been tightly regulated.

  3. Spin Vs. Reality.... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reality is that the FCC is an underfunded and incompetent extension of the RF industry. They will attempt to protect broadcast spectrum, and fail. While leaving the rest of the spectrum to rot on the tree.

    They rarely enforce and have been reduced, through ongoing budget reductions, to in some cases turning the enforcement over to the actual users of licensed spectrum. They've closed there local offices, fired their engineers, all while giving lip service to the job they should be doing. Heck- I'm pretty sure they do not even have the ability to triangulate to find a pirate station.

    They don't even stop illegal radio equipment from being imported- then sold everywhere from big box stores to truck stops.

    Good luck... They cannot even clean up problem frequencies where *everyone* knows who the offenders are.

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    1. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      That was the original job of the FCC. To make sure your transmitter was operating correctly. Then later they became the morality police and lately people think they should control the internet. I don't believe they are the right agency for that job. The only powers they have are issuing fines and managing licenses. It must be where I live but I have yet to hear any pirate FM stations or even shortwave pirates on 6925KHz. I heard a guy in West Virginia who thought it was still the 1970s on his kilowatt CB rig. He was stronger than any of the local CB guys.

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    2. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The real issue with this is that LPFM system is completely broken. I've personally had to resort to beg forgiveness, rather than operate within the bounds of the law... because they simply won't allow me to be a legal radio operator. I make sure to play nice, and only broadcast on open channels and regularly check to see if I'm stepping on a licensed broadcaster's spectrum... buy yeah, there is no option to be legal.

      The whole thing is quite stupid.

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    3. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Spectrum in populated areas across the USA is tight. Even tiny stations have to ensure they don't interfere with others. If you're operating outside the bounds of your license (if you have one), then you do others a great disservice, and add to the increasing madness on the airwaves. I dislike the FCC as much as the next person, but you do both listeners and broadcasters a great dissservice. There is no inherent right to broadcast on licensed bands, the world over. It's not in the UN Charter of Human Rights. You make up your own rules to follow your own ego. Therein is the crux of the piracy problem.

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    4. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by v1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That was the original job of the FCC. To make sure your transmitter was operating correctly.

      Well, that and to prevent stations from accidentally (or deliberately) interfering with each other.

      I recal a story from many years ago where several stations had promised live coverage of a (baseball?) game and there were several station trucks at the statdium trying to provide live scores. Things escalated, until they basically were all just belting out full power broad spectrum so that "if my report can't get through to the station, neither can yours", and as a result nobody was able to provide live coverage and reports had to be made to the stations by runners.

      That's the big thing they started to deal with, and to some degree that's what their core work still is. Their #1 goal right now from what I can tell is to prevent disruption of important and emergency communications. They go after individuals that disrupt police/ambulance/fire dispatch for example, or that try to jam TV station satellite links. They also dedicate some of their limited resources into radio and tv station licensing, mainly to coordinate frequency allocation and prevent nearby stations from interfering with each other by limiting their power and adjusting their antenna coverage patterns.

      More recently they've had to start dealing with cell phone and wifi jammers, mostly in venues where businesses are selling or restricting wireless internet access. (they also insure 9-1-1 access, as we've seen a big carrier recently get the smack-down for dropping for 5 hrs in a region)

      They just don't have the time, manpower, or finances to do much else nowadays. Even the kilowatt CB stations are mostly being ignored. The only time they're going to bother with that is if they are interfering with something local. The FCC publishes their enforcements online (sorry I foet where) and I've browsed them a few times. The handful of CB stations they've gone after have indeed been the high powered stations, but only when they were interfering with a sheriff or ambulance dispatcher's repeater etc.

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    5. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you just HAVE TO broadcast, eh? You're compelled to sully the airwaves with whatever. Can't live without being on the air?

      Lots of people waited a long time, and went through the drill, and got licensed, and operate legally. Why can't you? What makes you so special?

      They have their house in order, but apparently you can't. That's no rationalization for ruining the airwaves for others.

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    6. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2

      No LPFM application filing window period is presently scheduled.

      When a new filing window period is scheduled, it will be announced via Public Notice and posted on the FCC's web site, in several locations, including this web page, at least 30 days before the start of the filing period. We regret that we are not able to provide personal or advance notice to interested parties. All applications must be electronically filed. [The last filing period as in October 2013.]

      (source)

      Soon as they let me file, I'll listen to what they have to say. (and by the way, law is not the fount of righteousness)

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    7. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Until then, you just gotta broadcast, right? Compelled to broadcast! Can't live without broadcasting?

      You didn't answer those questions. What is it that compels you to squat on the airwaves over the rest of us? Is it some secret important message? Not hearing enough Black Sabbath? Your message must be heard? What is it? Why do you have to not only flaunt the law, but believe you're better than everyone else and can do it no matter the consequences? Are laws and civility made for other people and not you? Do tell.

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    8. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2

      One of my stations provides two hours a week of assisted listening for town hall meetings for a community that can't afford anything more than what can be had at the dollar general.

      One covers a town of about 2000 people that sits in a valley that has no FM radio reception the than my station (not even PBS/NPR).

      Another is a radio station that gives news in Vietnamese so that they have a native language option.

      None of these are for profit, or could even turn a profit f I wanted them to... there's actual legal option for them, and in my (and others) opinion they provide a lot more good existing, than if they didn't. We'd rather they were legal, but there's simply no other solution.

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    9. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Altruism doesn't give you a pass. Such rationalisms are the crux of narcissistic behavior. Living in a civilized world means looking after everyone, and deeply at your own motives.

      Rationalizing incivility leads to a lot of the evil that the world sees today. You're not a hero, only a cowboy with an exciter.

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    10. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The BLM was entirely in the wrong on that one. A little history:
      • A bunch of ranchers were getting pissed off over common resources and some assholes were claiming land that wasn't theirs while others were getting raped on taxes for land which was theirs but was entirely unsustainable.
      • The group got together and tried to find a way to just share the land so they would stop shooting at each other over border disputes and going bankrupt because it couldn't support the cattle required to pay for it.
      • The BLM offered to "manage" the land for them tax-free as long as they just considered is a shared resource and didn't fight over it, they accepted.
      • Several decades later the Clinton administration pushed the BLM to start charging taxes on it, the ranchers refused to pay because it was public land nobody actually got any use out of and their agreement was in large part that they didn't have to pay taxes on it, grandfathered in by several generations.
      • Over a decade and a half later during the Obama administration a corrupt senator in Nevada took a bribe when a Chinese wind energy company said they wanted the land to build a windfarm.
      • The BLM was tasked with claiming the land and slaughtering the free-range cattle owned by the ranchers.
      • Ranchers got pissed, BLM concocted story about back taxes they were never actually allowed to charge, ranchers stood their ground.
      • Several years later, many "missing" militia members who had come to help defend the Bundy ranch and the surrounding ranchers, and the imprisonment of the Bundies was found to be illegal and they were found innocent of any wrongdoing.

      But it's cool, I know you just hate rural people and wish uncle sam could jab his boot a bit further up everyone's ass.

    11. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2

      Actually yes, every bit of it is done for free with donated hardware; anybody that works on any of the projects I've been involved with gets paid, and often they (and I) go out of pocket with nothing expected in return.

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  4. Better idea by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    Why not just get these people licensed? It seems less expensive than chasing these people around when there's better things the FCC could be doing.

    1. Re:Better idea by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Give people the opportunity to do the right thing when it costs them very little and they'll often do it. When you create a huge set of regulatory hoops (or any other barrier to entry, really) to jump through, is it any wonder when people don't bother and route around it? The same arguments applied to digital music piracy and as soon as companies like Amazon and Apple started selling DRM-free music, a huge number of pirates became paying customers.

      The FCC is just a prime example of how government bureaucracy lumbers on long after it has become unnecessary. This is just a good indicate that it should be thrown out entirely, or that it needs to be re-imagined to do something useful. Imagine if instead of trying to chase people down for pirate radio stations, it was actively helping provide information on how to set stations up and letting people know which frequencies would be good to use in their area?

    2. Re:Better idea by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, we let them talk now. They're brown and that makes them the enemy now, just ask Trump & Co. Before anyone goes there, no, I don't think Hillary would be doing any better.

      It's you guys who are obsessed with always calling people "brown".

      It's strange, and even stranger when you think that your own obsession makes other people magically racist somehow.

  5. You need sensitivity training. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Funny

    The correct term for them is "undocumented radio stations".

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  6. Wrong target by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it would increase fines from a maximum of a hundred and forty-four thousand dollars to two million dollars.

    That will do absolutely nothing to deter the pirate radio stations, which seldom are for-profit entities, but special interest and religious kooks.
    They can't afford $144,000 either, so it doesn't matter whether you raise this. As long as people think they won't get caught, it doesn't matter how harsh the penalty is.
    Too high fines even work against the intention, in that you might report your neighbor for running an illegal radio station if he was facing a $1,000 fine, but won't do so if he risks $144,000 or $2,000,000. Ruining a person's life is not something all of us are willing to do, even if they were the ones who broke the law.

    (This is also why excessive prison terms for certain crimes make things worse, not better.)

    1. Re:Wrong target by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So...you want them to flip it and offer the 2 million to anyone who turns in a pirate radio operator? You'll have pirate bounty hunters lined up!

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  7. PIRATE? by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Illegal Radio Abuse..... ....as opposed to the legal kind?

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  8. Who pays for pirate radio? by magarity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do they actually have advertisers? One would think that if an ad for Bob's Discount Autos was heard on a "pirate" radio station then a visit from the FCC and a fine would encourage Bob to not advertise and thus the radio station would go away fairly quickly. If the power requirements are so low that the stations need not advertise then perhaps a more reasonable approach would be a low cost for low power broadcast license?

    1. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      1000 watts is what an electric space heater might use; the cost would be below 20 cents an hour. 1000 watts is enough to be received in your car 20 miles away. Within 10 miles of the pirate transmitter, the pirate could easily overpower a legal station. This might cause financial harm to the legal station and its advertiser who expects to be heard in the pirate's region.

      Your solution is not unreasonable, but the low power licensee would have to actually obey the restrictions he's licensed to operate under.

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  9. Mostly Harmless by Zorro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most are low power and doing nothing much except be hobbyist projects.

    Is that really worth a $2,000,000 Fine?

    Just create a special low power license and limit it to noncommercial use.

    1. Re:Mostly Harmless by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did this already for the Industrial, Scientific, and Medical ranges that the various 802.11 standards use.

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  10. Questions: audience discovery, backhaul, equipment by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious how their audience finds them? If you setup a pirate radio station, do you always use a specific frequency even if you're forced to abandon your transmitter or gets seized?

    Is the transmission equipment so cheap that pirate stations essentially don't care if it gets seized? They're probably more worried about finding another choice rooftop location with power than the transmitter itself?

    How do they manage backhaul? My guess is that you would have the "studio" and the transmitter at different locations.

  11. Re:Why do they bother? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    Why bother with pirate radio these days?

    You can stream anything you like on the internet. Unlike the FM spectrum, there is an unlimited amount of "channels" available. No risk of getting punished. 20 years ago, pirate radio was a desperate way to be heard - or make some money. But now you can do it risk free on the net. So why pirate radio?

    Anything you do on the internet is recorded and logged in perpetuity. I'm not sure how Uncle Sam will use your music choice against you. Maybe blackmail you and threaten to tell your SO you listen to nickel back if you don't do as they say.

    Best play it safe and listen to pirate radio. Uncle Sam can't log what you listen to over the airwaves. Listen to Nickel Back without fear of repurcussions.

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  12. Naked Gun 2½ by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    [...] the Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcement, or PIRATE [...]

    Anyone else getting flashbacks of Naked Gun 2½ when reading these new stupid backward-designed acronyms?

    "I'm very proud to welcome our guests from the nation's energy suppliers.
    First, head of the Society of Petroleum lndustry Leaders - better known as SPIL, Mr Terence Baggett.
    Now, chairman of the Society for More Coal Energy, or SMoCE, Mr Donald Fenwick.
    And president of the Key Atomic Benefits Office Of Mankind - KABOOM, Mr Arthur Dunwell."

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  13. Re:Why do they bother? by PPH · · Score: 2

    Because every link is Rick Astley.

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  14. Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcement by Desert+Tripper · · Score: 2

    Why do law-enforcement agencies feel the need to come up with a cheesy acronym or smarmy rhyme for everything they do? Does some government drone feel a real sense of accomplishment every time they perpetuate this annoying practice?

  15. Nothing good on commercial radio anyway by LordNicholas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure I'd care a lot more about this if I Heart Media didn't own half the spectrum, playing the same garbage across all of it. My wife and I have a game we play in the car, where we try to guess how many stations are playing the latest top 40 hit simultaneously. Highest we've seen is four. Four different stations all playing the same goddamn song at the same time. With internet and satellite radio ubiquitous, we really need to start reevaluating how we prioritize the spectrum.

  16. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

    The public airwaves are not a free market and never have been. They've always been tightly regulated.

    No they haven't. They were around a long time before government decided to regulate them.

  17. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't be having people saying just anything over unused radio frequencies.

    There are no unused radio frequencies.

    What you think are "unused frequencies" are actually used by a station far enough away that YOU can't hear them, but would be interfered with if there was a station using them where you are.

    The fight against the free market continues.

    The use of the public airwaves is not a "free market", it is a licensed market. Almost as soon as radio was invented, reasonable people realized it needed to be controlled so it would stay usable. Imagine YOUR delight when your favorite FM station playing your favorite radical hippy music was covered up by a paging system because there were no laws regulating who was licensed to do what. "You can get anything you want, at Alice's BRRRFFZZZZZZQQQQQQQQ..." Now imagine if your favorite FM station that you invested money in installing an external antenna so you could get the news and music you wanted from a distance was suddenly covered up by a pirate station two blocks away that played nothing but Devo songs interspersed with profane rants about the FCC.