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Cities Don't Have To Offer Huge Subsidies To Companies Like Apple and Amazon (theguardian.com)

Greg LeRoy and Maryann Feldman from The Guardian discuss some alternative strategies for cities that want large tech companies like Amazon and Apple to invest locally but don't want to offer huge subsidies. They advise against using "old economy" incentives for "new economy" firms, which are more susceptible to disruption, because it can be costly and counterproductive. Unfortunately, many politicians continue to mismatch incentives "especially because some tech companies have become very aggressive about demanding big tax breaks," reports The Guardian. From the report: Here are two proven alternative strategies. The first could be called "back to basics." A regional government inventories existing small- and medium-sized firms, the backbone of many local communities. Typically family-owned and located in micropolitan and rural areas, these firms are often neglected by policymakers and shortchanged by incentive programs. A regional government asks: which industry sectors are we already comparatively good at? Which of those sectors have the best futures? How can our public systems help those promising firms grow? Do they need export assistance? Customized training? Technology diffusion? More engineering-school graduates? There are some simple fixes that could go a long way.

The second alternative takes this same approach and applies it to very young companies and to emerging technologies with more speculative prospects. This was North Carolina's successful strategy from the 1950s until the mid-1990s. Making no big bets on any one company, the state invested in all levels of education, created its community college system and upgraded the state universities. It also focused on highway upgrades and other infrastructure investments. [...] Austin, Texas, currently the hottest tech-led economy in the U.S., provides a model: there, local entrepreneurs became local champions, creating early incubators, reinvesting their gains and working with local government.

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  1. IMHO, it should be illegal by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should be illegal for cites and states to offer special advantages to anyone. You make a level playing field. Companies want to play in your sandbox, that's all good. Companies decide your sandbox has the wrong kind of sand and go elsewhere, that's good. Don't like it? Change the rules for everyone, not just $megaCorp. Do it in open sunlight, not in the dead of night with special rules that only apply to $megaCorp tomorrow.

    You've got a mom and pop store run by the grandkids of the founders. They play by a set of rules. Some $megaCorp comes in, they want tax breaks that apply only to them. How is that fair to mom&pop?

    You might be able to negotiate with mom&pop. They probably have an advantage as they know the market and their customers, where you know how to raise money and get elected. Now it's time to negotiate with $megaCorp. You think that's a level playing field? You're a hayseed from a community college going against someone who not only went to an elite university, but ended up graduating in the upper 50% of their class. You spend your time getting re-elected. They spend their time figuring out tax laws, local laws, and various jurisdictions. You don't stand a fucking chance.

    1. Re:IMHO, it should be illegal by nnull · · Score: 4, Informative

      The whole incentive cities give to get businesses to move in gets abused to hell. It needs to stop. My city had been doing it for years while current businesses in the city got completely screwed over, get absolutely no tax breaks or anything. It's completely unfair for everyone that's currently in the city while new businesses were receiving 5 year tax breaks and their buildings half payed for by the tax payers of the city.

      It completely had a negative affect on the city where all the old businesses just go up and left for better places.

    2. Re:IMHO, it should be illegal by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Informative

      First you pay them to come. Then you pay them not to leave.

    3. Re:IMHO, it should be illegal by youngone · · Score: 3, Informative

      First you pay them to come. Then you pay them not to leave.

      Yup. We played that game in my country, and have paid Hollywood something like $575 million over the last few years.

      Everytime anyone makes any noises about no longer paying the Danegeld, the workers protest in the streets, despite being forced to give up all sorts of worker protections just to keep their jobs.

    4. Re:IMHO, it should be illegal by nnull · · Score: 2

      My city is too dumb to pay them not to leave. The building prices have sky rocketed making it unaffordable for many business owners (Nobody wants to work for the landlord), so when it comes time to renew the lease, they all opt to leave.

    5. Re:IMHO, it should be illegal by Daemonik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mom & Pop invest their profits back into the local community and tax base.
      MegaCorp just pockets the money in an offshore bank and demands more subsidies while the CEO calls his workers parasites for wanting a living wage.

      Even mom&pop: because now they have more customers that can spent their money at them.

      Unless Mom & Pop were put out of business by the MegaCorp, or if they were lucky enough to sell their products to MegaCorp, MegaCorp has told them to offshore in China.

  2. Typical Tech Bro by Daemonik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Yeah, I'm a Libertarian, the government shouldn't pick winners unless it's me, and the market should decide because I'm a market disruptor..at least until I control the market and then everything I said about disrupting the market was misquoted. Remember taxes are theft! Now excuse me while I drain all your local taxes into my Lear jet and then maybe I'll consider throwing you parasites a few underpaid jobs to replace all the local businesses I disrupted. Capitalism!"

    1. Re:Typical Tech Bro by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That sad part is, that's a fairly accurate description. The sadder part it that it's the best system that we've found in practice.

  3. Try throwing them a party instead by elrous0 · · Score: 2

    Everyone loves parties.

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  4. It's a race to the bottom by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's cheap for your city to do, it's probably cheap for some other city to do too. Then they will do a little more. Then you will have to do a bit more than that again. It's like an auction, you don't win until all the other bidders quit. Whatever incentives you offer they'll just recalculate it in $$$ and pick the highest bidder.

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  5. How to make your city great again by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Education. Make sure your city has education thats about merit not demographics. Ensure everyone who is educated passed on merit.
    Pass that exam and have workers ready for brands. Brands should not have to accept workers with no education and then support people who cannot do the work set.
    2. Highway upgrades. Make sure road, rail, ports are ready for imports and exports. A good new paved road that can support transport sets a local government apart from many in the USA. New roads for exports and so new equipment can be moved in.
    3. Power costs. Dont make power expensive. Power costs are what keeps a brand. Find a way to reduce power costs and have power that works 24/7.
    Not just when the sun is up, the wind is at a set speed. A 24/7 power supply.
    Power working 24/7 at a cost lower than most of the USA.
    4. Law and police. So the engineers, academics and investors feel happy in your part of the USA. No crime and enjoy more investment.
    5. Clean up your city. Clean roads. Clean streets. Nice well educated people. Nice shops, good food. No drugs, no crime, no tent city, no years of parked RV.
    No political tensions, no city permits for riots stopping workers from getting to work. No blocking the free flow of transport and workers for hours.
    6. Be open to building the best internet the US can offer. Don't back NN and expect to build a network for everyone. Build the fast internet for new business use.
    Ensure parts of your city win in US internet speed rankings.
    As other parts of the USA catch up, make networking in your city more attractive again.
    7. Find out what early incubators want. Low cost power, a good university that can offer educated workers. Fast internet . Nice food, nice gym, no crime areas to live in.
    Things to do for fun. Walks, sport, trails, art, history, food, internet. Make sure its some of the best in the USA and ensure no crime.
    8. Fund your police every year. Attract the best police from other parts of the USA. Pay the police very well and ensure their wages go up every year. Clean up your city. Stop the city from attracting drugs, crime. Hire police only on merit and the skills they bring not demographics. Don't hire new police from other failed cities.
    Give the police the tech, laws and support they need to keep the city safe for all.
    9. Rent. Make sure poor people can get from their low cost dwellings to work. Look after wealthy areas, middle class and low rent areas as different parts of a city. Each part of the city is safe and productive with working services. Don't try and move poor people into areas with rent they cant afford. They will just need more city money to look after.
    10. Use city money to keep the city working. Collecting tax should pay for improvements. Paying to support a person in a part of the city they cant afford to rent in is not a cost a city can keep supporting. Look after poor people in low rent parts of the city. Control spending so the tax rate brings in brands escaping the cities that demand high tax rates to support their huge spending on new social programs.
    11. Tell the USA about your city. Low crime. Educated workers. The best police. Fast internet with a low cost and working power connection.
    Clean streets and clean water. Paved roads. Poor people getting the support they will always need in parts of the city they can afford.
    No having to worry about NN for everyone if a new network is needed. Community internet is supported all around the city. The city will not say no to any good new network design.

    12. Study the states and city govs that have failed all over the USA. The crime, the drugs, the supporting of poor people and their cost of rent.
    Cities with tents and parked RV and a police force that wont enforce laws. Cities supporting non citizens who should not be getting any city services.
    Study the city tax rate that makes brands look at other parts of the USA. Dont let your city become like all the other failed cities.
    13. City service for citizens and people allowed to work/study in the USA.

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    1. Re:How to make your city great again by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I want to point out that most of your points not only cost money, but they also are the opposite of what San Francisco does, and somehow they still manage to attract all kinds of startups, to the point that they kind of try to deter startups from coming.

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    2. Re:How to make your city great again by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re 'is the party zone"
      Someone is still paying for their startup. Investing in their idea. The money invested goes to pay taxes in a party city.
      How many more years can the cost of working in a party city be hidden from investors?
      Before investors work out they can get the same quality with the same level of education in other cites?
      A diploma mill that graduates everyone on demographics will not provide the results expected. With Honors just for attending.
      The smart money is going to work out what was paid for with their investments.
      Unless the city gets federal funding to pay people to stay and invest? That would be a neat trick. A city in full bankruptcy that everyone is ok with as it that keeps federal funds flowing?

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