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EPA Blocks Warnings on Cancer-Causing Chemical: Report (politico.com)

The Trump administration is suppressing an Environmental Protection Agency report that warns that most Americans inhale enough formaldehyde vapor in the course of daily life to put them at risk of developing leukemia and other ailments, a current and a former agency official told POLITICO. The news outlet adds: The warnings are contained in a draft health assessment EPA scientists completed just before Donald Trump became president, according to the officials. They said top advisers to departing Administrator Scott Pruitt are delaying its release as part of a campaign to undermine the agency's independent research into the health risks of toxic chemicals.

Andrew Wheeler, the No. 2 official at EPA who will be the agency's new acting chief as of Monday, also has a history with the chemical. He was staff director for the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in 2004, when his boss, then-Chairman Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), sought to delay an earlier iteration of the formaldehyde assessment. Formaldehyde is one of the most commonly used chemicals in the country. Americans are exposed to it through wood composites in cabinets and furniture, as well as air pollution from major refineries.

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  1. Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0, Troll

    If we're breathing in enough formaldehyde to get leukemia, why have I never met anyone with leukemia? Am I just lucky and I put out a lucky aura that protects those around me?

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    1. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Because Jesus and the bible.

    2. Re:Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because Jesus and the bible.

      Thank you Jesus!

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    3. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if you're intentionally misrepresenting the article, or if you're really this stupid.

    4. Re:Leukemia by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      If most Americans got sick in that way, US pathologists and epidemiologist would have book chapters on that.
      Experts from all over the EU would be flying in to study most people in the USA to fill their own publications with study after study.
      Medical work in the USA looking at most Americans would be career making for medical experts globally. Reputations made tracking the formaldehyde from its origins to the lungs of the wider US population and the results. Slide after slide and book chapter after book chapter.
      Charity ships would dock to help with the case load.

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    5. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poorly worded, but as you probably know it gives you a "chance" there's people who smoke 3 packs a day and live to 100 years old without cancer too, others get cancer and die after only 3 years of smoking. Humans aren't binary

    6. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just lucky. I knew a very kind and successful man who got a scratch while golfing that wouldn't heal as his first symptom. A year later he had wasted away and died from leukemia. It was horrific. He had everything, and saw the best specialists money could buy, but that could not protect him from the disease.

    7. Re:Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Poorly worded, but as you probably know it gives you a "chance" there's people who smoke 3 packs a day and live to 100 years old without cancer too, others get cancer and die after only 3 years of smoking. Humans aren't binary

      As far as diseases go, leukemia is a pretty rare one. Formaldehyde has been commonly used for decades.

      What exactly is the risk? If the risk is 1 extra person out of 1 million get it that's not significant. If it is 1 out of 1000, we'd be seeing a lot more people with it. The fact that leukemia is so rare makes me think that this is probably a non-event.

      I'm not pro any sitting President stopping scientific announcements, don't get me wrong. I don't approve of Trump's actions; but I think in this instance the warning is probably for something minor.

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    8. Re:Leukemia by apoc.famine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What exactly is the risk?

      We might be able to find out if the corrupt weasels in the EPA would publish this research. But no.

      The warnings are contained in a draft health assessment EPA scientists completed just before Donald Trump became president, according to the officials. They said top advisers to departing Administrator Scott Pruitt are delaying its release as part of a campaign to undermine the agency’s independent research into the health risks of toxic chemicals......The current EPA official told POLITICO that political appointees have managed to avoid creating written evidence of their interference with the formaldehyde assessment by refusing to send emails or create other records that eventually could become public, instead using what the official described as “a children’s game of telephone."

      Interestingly, this research comes from the EPA’s Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS).

      Industry has long faulted the IRIS program, the agency’s only independent scientific division evaluating the health risks of toxic chemicals, whose assessments often form the basis for federal and state regulations.

      Why would the chemical industries have issues with IRIS?

      The small office of about 35 experts pores over the huge body of existing research on chemicals, including industry-backed studies aimed at proving the substances safe, to independently assess their risks.

      Lol. So they actually dig into the industry backed studies and call BS on them. I can see why they'd be a threat.

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    9. Re:Leukemia by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Poorly worded, but as you probably know it gives you a "chance" there's people who smoke 3 packs a day and live to 100 years old without cancer too, others get cancer and die after only 3 years of smoking. Humans aren't binary

      As far as diseases go, leukemia is a pretty rare one. Formaldehyde has been commonly used for decades.

      What exactly is the risk? If the risk is 1 extra person out of 1 million get it that's not significant. If it is 1 out of 1000, we'd be seeing a lot more people with it. The fact that leukemia is so rare makes me think that this is probably a non-event.

      I'm not pro any sitting President stopping scientific announcements, don't get me wrong. I don't approve of Trump's actions; but I think in this instance the warning is probably for something minor.

      Too many announcements is itself bad. So yes, it matters very much how great the risk is.

      We're already at the point where most people just throw up their hands and say "ok, I guess everything causes cancer."

      Too many warnings, too low of a threshold, is not only not useful; it's harmful.

    10. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if immigrants are rapists, then why have I never met anyone who's been raped by one?

    11. Re:Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not the individual incidents like this that you should be focusing on, it's the overall trend towards an anti-science, anti-facts, anti-truth attitude, and towards 'faith-based', 'superstition', 'mysticism', and my favorite: 'Dominionism', expecting that The Earth is going to be destroyed soon anyway, Zombie Jesus will take The Faithful home to Heaven, and all the Heathen Masses will die anyway, so why should they care? Don't think for a second I'm even kidding, these people exist, they think the Earth is only 6000 years old, and that Science is from Satan and is all lies. These are also often the 'anti-vaxers', too, who think vaccinations is literally injecting The Devil into their kids veins -- because 'science is evil'.

    12. Re:Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      If we're breathing in enough formaldehyde to get leukemia, why have I never met anyone with leukemia? Am I just lucky and I put out a lucky aura that protects those around me?

      Because you play with yourself when no one is looking?

      The length of time that Formaldehyed has been know as a carcinogen pre-dates the EPA. Regardless, I have a special cocktail for you. Foprmaldehyde and Benzene and Carbon Tetrachloride with a twist of lemon, followed by a fresh garden salad covered with berrylium and asbestos. It is good for you - there are no dangerous substances, all lefty lies.

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    13. Re:Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      If most Americans got sick in that way, US pathologists and epidemiologist would have book chapters on that.

      This is just like coal - Coal is actually good for you. This bullshit of leftists trying to besmirch the effects of chemicals is leading to the downfall of western civilization. Even CO2 is critical for health, and god fearing common sense Americans should breath a atmosphere of 100 percent CO2 for at least 5 hors everyt day. There are no substances that are bad for you. God would not put anything on earth that would harm his greatest creation.

      Yours in Christ Jesus.

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    14. Re:Leukemia by hey! · · Score: 2

      The chance that a person will develop leukemia at some point in his life is 0.1%. Survival rates are about 2/3, higher for younger people. This means its virtually certain you've met someone who is a leukemia survivor, they just don't wear a sign around their neck announcing the fact.

      The rate of new cases in the general population is about 12 per 100,000 population per year -- about 1.2 hundredths of a percent. If you live in a small town and have a job that doesn't involve dealing with a lot of people, it *is* possible you've never met anyone with active leukemia. However, even if you had you wouldn't necessarily know; the don't wear a sign around their neck announcing the fact either.

      Initial leukemia symptoms are flu-like; so if you've ever met someone who is fatigued and achy they *might* have had leukemia. Once they are sick enough that they *obviously* have cancer, they're out and about a lot less, spending more time at home or sick in the hospital, where you're less likely to encounter them.

      I trust this explains how leukemia could exist without your necessarily having had personal experience with it.

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    15. Re:Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm a programmer... I don't eat salad. Just pizza.

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    16. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totaly agree with you man. All this envirmenle crap is overblown. It's a conspracy to infest our country with imgrunts.

    17. Re:Leukemia by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not impressed by anti-cancer hysteria therefore I am anti-science? I don't treat any random pronoucement from any random "authority" as the word of god, therefore I am anti-science.

      YOU I think have no clue what that term really means.

      Those of YOU treating the ALL parts of the scientific establishment as if they are the Pope, are the real anti-science crowd.

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    18. Re:Leukemia by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The same to you. Science is not a body of facts that you treat like religious dogma. It's a method of asking tough questions and finding answers that may contradict your own preconceived bias and make you uncomfortable. What we know at any given point time is a "best guess" and is ALWAYS subject to revision or being completely turned on it's head.

      This is what separates science from religion.

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    19. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was the anti-vaxxer's three year old child crying?

      Midlife crises.

    20. Re:Leukemia by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > The rate of new cases in the general population is about 12 per 100,000 population per year

      So... a bit like knowing a victim of gun violence.

      The problem with attributing any singular cause to any cancer is that it is so poorly understood. Even when they think they have a handle on it and have identified a single gene, even have targeted therapies to deal with that gene, those therapies pretty much behave completely randomly within the patient population.

      There's nothing like actually being a cancer patient to disabuse you of any notions that "the guys in the white robes" have any real clue what they are talking about.

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    21. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no biological basis for the genders.
      Gender is a social construct.
      Race is a social construct.
      Global warming will destroy the planet.
      Marijuana cures cancer.
      GMO is unhealthy and bad for you.
      Organic is healthier and better for the environment.
      Dihydrogen monoxide should be banned.

      You are right anti-science is on the rise! Science is politically incorrect.

      Perhaps, you should work on your own bias towards misinformation than attacking a strawman

      When has generalizing any population been thought of as a good measure for individual variance?

    22. Re:Leukemia by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Those are an extremely small minority of idiots with no power, I don't see the relevance.

    23. Re:Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      That's actually a lot higher than I had expected; it would be interesting to see how much of this they blame on Formaldehyde vs just normal base rate occurrence.

      It's a very similar rate as death by car.

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    24. Re:Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      They all avoid you because you're an asshole.

      Us cancer free folks avoid you as well.

      Asshole.

      Cool, I'm an introvert so that works in my favour, thanks.

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    25. Re:Leukemia by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      1. Because they're dead.

      2. Because they don't introduce themselves by telling you they have leukemia.

      Everyone gets cancer if they live long enough not to be killed by other things. As far as we know, about half of it is due to natural processes, half is triggered by environmental carcinogens.

    26. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought you were serious for a second or two LOL.

    27. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So both science and religion are a lie to keep the sheeps grazing?

    28. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are still an asshole tho. Thanks for not disputing that. At least you know you are an asshole. And knowing is half the battle...asshole.

    29. Re:Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      So far as I'm concerned if you treat anything as 'word of god' in an unironic manner then you're suspect.

      Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen and highly toxic. Go right ahead and ignore it, you can serve as an example of others for what not to be.

    30. Re:Leukemia by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      People with leukemia tend to congregate in certain areas ... like hospital wards. Maybe you should visit one.

    31. Re: Leukemia by chadenright · · Score: 0, Troll

      Difference is, the muslims will kill you. The christians will bring round coffee and donuts.

    32. Re:Leukemia by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I have met somebody that survived it. But I knew him for some months before he told the story and it was not readily obvious before. And the ones that do not make it, you do not meet.

      Or to put it otherwise: You are both stupid and clueless. An ideal sheep to be manipulated into doing things that are bad for you but make others a ton of money.

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    33. Re:Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      The minority you're seeing are just the ones who are visible. If you see one cockroach or ant, does that mean there's only one ant or cockroach? Nope.

    34. Re:Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Accuses me of generalizing
      Writes an entire paragraph of generalizations himself
      Generalizes ME as well

      TROLLOLOLOLOLOL. Fuck off.

    35. Re:Leukemia by gweihir · · Score: 0, Troll

      I fail to see the connection with a basically fictional character and an excessively boring and stupid book. (I tried to read it, but seriously, WTF? Were those writing it on drugs or what?)

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    36. Re: Leukemia by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I think you need to learn the difference between christians and cops.

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    37. Re:Leukemia by hey! · · Score: 1

      I think the really important issue in situations like this is preventability. How possible is it to reduce some number that represents human suffering, and at what cost?

      The numbers for the impact of industrial exposure to formaldehyde are in an interesting territory. The statistical risk is not so high that you would, say, rule out taking a good job that involved formaldehyde exposure. Your risk is roughly on the order of 7/10 of 1%, which is low, but something like 700x greater than the baseline. This makes taking steps to reduce worker exposure reasonable.

      The car analogy is apt. Would you drive if cars didn't have safety belts, crumple zones, and anti-lock brakes? Sure you would. Is it a good thing that these are all standard on cars today? Yes it is. And cars remain a major source of risk do to our high exposure; the problem is that the next steps to make them marginally safer haven't been as cost productive, until recently. Electronic stability control, lane departure warnings and blind spot monitoring are all cheaper and more feasible today than they would have been when seatbelts were made mandatory in the US in 1968.

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    38. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Naw, it's ok to question the media coverage, but if you're questioning the paper without reading it, then yeah, you're anti-science.

    39. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And seriously what the fuck is "round" coffee? This anti-muslim nitwit has gone even more full retard.

    40. Re:Leukemia by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      What exactly is the risk?

      We might be able to find out if the corrupt weasels in the EPA would publish this research. But no.

      Actually it's pretty simple if you know there are expected to be 174,250 cases in US in 2018 and there are 327 million US citizens then the odds of contracting Leukemia sometime in a given person's life is maybe close to 4% (though effectively a bit less for actually detecting it etc).

      Of course, that says nothing about the effects of one or any toxic chemical. That's just the overall average risk to all US citizens.

    41. Re:Leukemia by penandpaper · · Score: 0

      Forgive me, how were you or anyone generalized in that comment?
      Seems like the AC agreed with you that anti-science is on the rise. Accusation != generalization.

      I am starting to worry about your physical health. Maybe there will be studies on the physical effects of prolonged TDS and California will put cancer warnings on all political activity.

    42. Re:Leukemia by penandpaper · · Score: 0

      Dehumanizing people you don't like. This will end well.

    43. Re: Leukemia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

      Difference is, the muslims will kill you. The christians will bring round coffee and donuts.

      I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, but your generalization is off. Muslims historically have been the more tolerant religion. Whilst Britain was squabbling over protestant or catholic kings and spain's Jesuits were having their Spanish Inquisition- most Muslim controlled areas, even back then practiced freedom of religion. Sure- you'd pay more taxes for believing the wrong thing but most could live in peace.

      Today the huge majority of muslims still believe in freedom of religion. Yeah, there are obviously a lot of nuts out there- and many are dangerous, but they remain the minority. The "muslims" won't kill you- extremists will. There was a story in Britain a few years back where members of a mosque made a cup of tea for all the people protesting them outside and invited them in. They were so nice to the protestors the protestors abandoned the protest.

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    44. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've personally known hundreds of victims of gun violence, and only a handful of people with leukemia. Your stats are off by an order of magnitude.

    45. Re:Leukemia by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Am I just lucky and I put out a lucky aura that protects those around me?

      No, just lacking in reading comprehension and / or a basic understanding of logic. Or a bought and paid for troll. Only you can know the answer to that.

      TFA said this:

      Americans inhale enough formaldehyde vapor in the course of daily life to put them at risk of developing leukemia and other ailments

      Walking in the middle of the road doesn't mean you will without a doubt be ran over. It does increase your risk. Would you be against warning people that walking in the middle of the road increases their risk of being ran over?

    46. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The apocalypse cults (all three Abrahamic faiths) are a real threat to the survival of the human species.

    47. Re:Leukemia by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      If most Americans got sick in that way, US pathologists and epidemiologist would have book chapters on that.

      TFA doesn't say anything like that. It says there's an increased risk. Are you really not able to understand the difference between the statements "you have an increased risk of a disease" and "you have a disease"?

    48. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnâ(TM)t there an oven somewhere you should be in?

    49. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Critical-thinking at a per argument scale, is beyond most people.

      I wouldn't expect from too much out of most posters on /. these days.

    50. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Individual incidents like this MAKE UP the overall trend towards an anti-science, anti-facts, anti-truth attitude. If we didn't keep blowing up crap stories like this we would be taking science more seriously.

      Instead, every suppressed half truth is held up to the world of evidence of a larger problem.

      Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    51. Re:Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Doesn't understand sarcasm

      Bugger off.

    52. Re: Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

      Oh look, found one of the neo-nazis. I'm sure your mother is just so proud of you.

    53. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of YOU treating the ALL parts of the scientific establishment as if they are the Pope, are the real anti-science crowd.

      If you really truly unironically believe that bullshit you posted, then YOU clearly don't understand the most basic concept of what 'science' is and have no business pronouncing your judgement on anyone. Meanwhile you're actually defending religion and other forms of mysticism and superstition and any other 'faith based' bullshit?

      This ancient book says such-and-such, and we say that's God's Word, so you have to believe it 100% or you're going to Hell for all eternity!

      Versus:

      I have a theory that says such-and-such; you're all welcome to try to reproduce the results of the experiment(s) I did to back my theory, and if no one else can, then my theory must be wrong and I go back to Square One.

      Do I really need to explain the difference?

    54. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a problem with too many scientists with Rock Star Syndrome. Having achieved recognition with their savant ability, they suddenly decide theyâ(TM)re qualified to pontificate on all matters great and small, no matter how ridiculously outside their expertise they lie. Science is getting the raspberries for a perfectly good reason. Scientists have earned it.

    55. Re:Leukemia by penandpaper · · Score: 0

      This comment is known to cause cancer in the State of California.

    56. Re:Leukemia by skids · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, internal documents show, a trade group representing businesses that could face new regulations and lawsuits if the study were released had frequent access to top EPA officials and pressed them to either keep it under wraps or change its findings.

      ...and the cover-up is (usually) worse than the crime. They never learn. You think tobacco would be the whipping child of the courts these days if it had been a simple case of "oh, when we found out we put warnings on the boxes right away"? These interest groups are a liability to their industries but the industries can't get enough of them.

    57. Re: Leukemia by guruevi · · Score: 0

      You're conflating Islam teachings with Arabian progress. True, they were conquering large swaths of land and were world leaders in science and maths in the western Dark/Middle Ages but that ended when conservative Islam became the state religion.

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    58. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS on that.

      I know a lot of people, many with guns, that have had no gun violence. (excluding the police officers I know)

      I've even lived in a place with a white population under 10%, and gun violence still rare, and you would have to know the ones doing the violence with the guns to know that many.

      https://www.npr.org/sections/g...
      With gun deaths at a high of 3.85 deaths per 100,000 people. Lets go a head and times that by 100, that's still .38%, lets pretend you know 1000 people, means ~4 of them, if you know 100's, then you know the wrong kind of people, prob the exact kind of person who commits those crimes.

    59. Re: Leukemia by guruevi · · Score: 1

      With cancer specifically it's also the fact that cancer happens so often and is such a broad disease that you can link pretty much everything to it.

      Drink too much wine or too little wine has some correlation with some form of cancer. These studies are generally too small to make accurate statements against and you can P-hack anything to increase or decrease your cancer risk and populations can often not be compared across studies because they collect different data or use different tools.

      You would have to do standardized multi-site, multi-year studies which requires an enormous budget.

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    60. Re: Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Don'tt be a coward. Blaspheme Allah, too. Do it on the street right in front of a mosque/

      You might be making the mistake of thinking that my distaste for Fundamentalist Christian means I support Muslims. Religion is a cancer, and any religion that supports killing those who don't agree with it needs terminated with extreme prejudice.

      Hope I cleared that up.

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    61. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the redneck way of saying "around".

    62. Re: Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Difference is, the muslims will kill you. The christians will bring round coffee and donuts.

      The ones that raised me might beat the shit out of you in god's name, or the men of gawd, who deliver his holy word might butt fuck you or want you to help Father O'Malley in the special sacrament of helping him make white wee-wee. Though perhaps they hand out donuts afterward.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      https://www.amazon.com/Train-U... The official beat your child to death or you hate them guidebook

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      Religion is a cancer, and much evil is performed in the name of gawd. So don't get all uppity about how good the Christians are. Muslims are worse, but The people of jeebuz have their own list of fun times they deliver in the name of the gawd that commands them.

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    63. Re: Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Difference is, the muslims will kill you. The christians will bring round coffee and donuts.

      I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, but your generalization is off. Muslims historically have been the more tolerant religion.

      ISIS and the Taliban have been tolerating the living shit out of other Muslims in their holy quest for peace. Change my mind.

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    64. Re:Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm a programmer... I don't eat salad. Just pizza.

      Ah.... we have found common ground. I like a little Cheese whiz on my pizza when the wide isn't looking.

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    65. Re: Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I thought you were serious for a second or two LOL.

      I sometimes come very close to a Poe.

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    66. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's pretty simple if you know there are expected to be 174,250 cases in US in 2018

      But you DO NOT know that, so all you say is just conjecture.

        "you can make water flow uphill if 2=4" is the level of nonsense you are spouting

    67. Re: Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most Muslim controlled areas, even back then practiced freedom of religion

      any religion that supports killing those who don't agree with it

      Both your quotes. Pick the one that projects what you actually believe.

    68. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're conflating things.

      There are known carcinogens with such high potency that there are "you WILL get cancer" levels.

      Soften it a bit and think about Fukushima. The workers there have a higher-than-comparable-population rate for some cancers. Are we wrong to say "hey, this degree of radiation is clearly sufficient to pose a meaningful risk" just because the exact dose-response relationship isn't established, and in fact cannot be established (how cancer prone are /your/ genetics)?

      Of course not.

      Similarly here. How bad is it? Well, there's some data being hidden from general vision which apparently finds the risk to be meaningful. How meaningful? Well, we'd need the data to be sure. And with those stats, a cost/benefit analysis can be performed, but not without.

      Whoever is keeping unmanipulated data from the masses is trying to control the masses.

    69. Re: Leukemia by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      most Muslim controlled areas, even back then practiced freedom of religion

      any religion that supports killing those who don't agree with it

      Both your quotes. Pick the one that projects what you actually believe.

      I'll pick the second quote, because the first quote was from Oswald McMeany, not me.

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    70. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll often, pretending to be a conservative?

    71. Re:Leukemia by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Someone would see the result of that "more" over generations of testing.
      Peer review and US wide data collection on health would be telling going back decades.
      Advanced nations like the USA do keep looking at averages over generations of health and know what is happening any given decade.
      The US can afford its own epidemiology reports.
      Brain experts, kidney experts, lung experts, heart experts, diabetes experts all look at what happened and report.
      Massive jumps in the numbers resulting in most people in the USA getting something would stand out.
      Both in treatment numbers and the national numbers for that year and decade.
      Peer review would find over and under reporting.

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    72. Re:Leukemia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone dies from a witch's curse if they live long enough not to be killed by other things.

      Perhaps more relevantly, many writers on cancer say that everyone gets cancer multiple times, but the cancerous cell is destroyed by the immune system before it propagates.

    73. Re: Leukemia by oneunixguy · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long George Burns would have had to live to get cancer? Saying that if something else hadnâ(TM)t killed them theyâ(TM)d get cancer is a statement that canâ(TM)t ever be proven and so making it is foolish.

    74. Re:Leukemia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      YOUR MOM causes cancer, you're the living proof.

    75. Re:Leukemia by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Oooo so biting. So brave. Are you going call me a cockroach or an ant now? Are you going to wave the flag of science while defending anti-science?I am ready for your boot to squash me like a dehumanized cancer for the betterment of your sanity. The world would be utopia if everyone thought just like you. amirite.

  2. A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, who here is snorting formaldehyde ?

    1. Re:A new high. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK, who here is snorting formaldehyde ?

      It's in hair products apparently according to the article... so anyone who puts conditioner on their nose hair is at risk of snorting formaldehyde.

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    2. Re:A new high. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      OK, who here is snorting formaldehyde ?

      Also... I don't snort it, but I use Glutaraldehyde, a similar chemical on a daily basis in my fish tanks. It acts as a carbon source for aquatic plants.

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    3. Re:A new high. by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Haha! Jokes on them because I am bald... ... ... Oh. Now I'm sad.

    4. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha! Jokes on them because I am bald... ... ... Oh. Now I'm sad.

      You're forgetting your disgusting nostril hair. Get some trimmers and deal with your personal hygiene you freaking slob.

    5. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's released by most of the engineered hardwood flooring that comes from China because of the cheap and toxic adhesives they use.

    6. Re:A new high. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Disgusting nostril hair? I'll have you know that I get it groomed every week. Dare I say it, my nostril hair is the envy of gods!

      You think I would snort hair conditioner to get high or leukemia? Shows what you know about class and style.

    7. Re:A new high. by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Formaldehyde is in everything. Well, not quite everything, but a huge number of products. New clothes? Yep. That new flooring? Certainly

      https://branchbasics.com/blog/...
      https://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bi...

      It even occurs naturally in some foods:
      https://www.foodinsight.org/ch...

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    8. Re:A new high. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      My nostril hair is shaped like a mullet.

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    9. Re:A new high. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Bird cage. I won't ruin the surprise on what the 'birds' are.

    10. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a beautiful handlebar mustache. What's more, my nostril hair has also been shaped into a handlebar mustache, which means I have a total of three. At the beard championships, I regularly beat those losers who have a mere one mustache.

    11. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Formaldehyde is also used in EVERY product made of plywood. It's an off-gassing thing that happens when you buy a new home made of wood.

      If you buy one made of concrete, and live above the basement, you're exposed to less of it, usually in the form of kitchen cabinets that aren't made of solid wood.

    12. Re:A new high. by magarity · · Score: 1

      OK, who here is snorting formaldehyde ?

      Everyone who works in an office building whose windows are sealed shut.

    13. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Formaldehyde is also used in vaccines.

    14. Re:A new high. by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      In beer as well.

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    15. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spam warnings so that people become desensitized and the real threat will not be noticed.

    16. Re:A new high. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Formaldehyde was commonly used as a stabilizer for color photographs. If you did your own processing, you may have come across a small bottle labelled "formaldehyde" that was an ingredient in the final rinse. Some of it gets into the air, some of it may drip onto fingers as the film or print is squeegeed dry.

  3. Their plan won't work in California! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Breathing air is known to cause cancer in the state of California

  4. Where are the facts? They're not in this article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see more information about the claim that "Americans inhale enough formaldehyde vapor in the course of daily life to put them at risk of developing leukemia". For example, exactly how much risk are we talking about? Unfortunately, the article seems to be mostly about political conflict, with very little actual science being discussed.

  5. I suggest a name change by snapsnap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Environmental Pollution Agency

    1. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am in the process of building a residential driveway over a small creek. For one house. My house. The water is seven inches deep. I just passed the two year mark of dealing with bullshit environmental bureaucracy. TWO YEARS. $50,000+ in consultants, engineers, fees, etc. So I can say first hand we have too damned many environmental regulations.

      Are some of them good? Sure. But for every regulation that makes a positive impact, there are 1000 bullshit ones. If you hire a government worker to make regulations, that's exactly what they'll do.

      At one point I had a historical agency out on my land searching for shipwrecks in 7 inches of water. On a mountain. I'm not making this shit up. And they had a 90 day deadline to search. Guess how long it took.

    2. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Environmental Plunder Agency. They don't actually care about the pollution at all, they just want to extract as much value for wealthy private citizens as they can, and breathing is not even a consideration.

    3. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're quite obviously making this shit up. You're only gonna to fool bigger fools than yourself. Everybody knows none of that happened. You likely spent $50,000 paying incompetent builders to make a mockery of your driveway. Every single person I've known that has dealt with environmental regulations had a pretty easy time except for the people trying to set up natural gas pipelines under their yard. There is a good reason you let professionals do that, both for environmental and safety concerns.

      So your 1 anecdote is countered by hundreds of thousands of opposing anecdotes. Good luck with those odds kiddo!

    4. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am in the process of building a residential driveway over a small creek. For one house. My house.

      Is the whole length of the creek also yours?

    5. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still the Environmental Protection Agency, you just assume it's being protected for your benefit.

    6. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. The whole length of the creek is Waters of The United States. I just pay taxes on it.

    7. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " If you hire a government worker to make regulations, "

      Except they don't. Every one of those regulations came about because somebody was screwing around with the water, the history, the environment, and the planet.

      Regulations don't come out of thin air. They come about because someone caused harm, and we're trying to prevent it in the future.

      Recall those asshats that are the reason why we can't have nice things? Those are what those regulations are about.

      Thanks for taking care of our planet,

      AC

    8. Re:I suggest a name change by Jerry · · Score: 1

      "Environmental Pollution Agency"

      Indeed!
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    9. Re:I suggest a name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having been involved in the process of making regulations, I have seen some aspects of regulations come out of thin air. Usually, it happens in the manner of "this might somehow happen, so we have to explicitly prohibit it." Or "we have to have a record of this, so we'll need to have a new form that everyone has to fill out (in quadrupicate, one copy on mylar)," This is neither necessarily malicious nor necessarily well-intentioned, but it does happen.

  6. Re:Trump is Killing Americans for Vladimir Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll bet he'd tell an obvious lie to protect an obvious traitor.

    Oops.. you'd tell an obvious lie to protect an obvious traitor.

    Because you are obviously a traitor like your hero Moscow Donald.

  7. Re:Trump is Killing Americans for Vladimir Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've been misled by Republican propaganda. Even the actual news segment on Fox debunked the U1 conspiracy claim. It's something that Hannity lies to Conservatives about to keep them frothing and voting for harmful politicians.

  8. I have by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    I've known several people with Leukemia. You wouldn't know them because they kind of drop out of life. Most of them die. Occasionally they go into remission but it's not like they all wear a big badge that says "Hi, I've got Leukemia!".

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    1. Re:I have by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1, Informative

      Point taken; but still, it's not one of the more common cancers. If formaldehyde were linked to autism, adhd, lung cancer, prostate cancer, breast cancer, something relatively common... etc I can see being worried and thinking "so that's why those are so prevalent". If it's something we're all over exposed to and yet it is linked to one of the least common forms of cancer- it can't be a huge risk- and maybe (not my judgement call) it's worth the risk for the benefits it gives. If there is a safer alternative- sure use it... but let's make sure risks and benefits balance up.

      We accept the small chance of dying by driving a car each day (more likely than getting leukemia) because cars are useful to us. We accept low risks based on usefulness. Oviously it sucks to be the guy in the car crash, or the guy with leukemia. Leukemia is frequently more genetic risk than environmental even when it does occur. How many cases exactly are being caused by formaldehyde? It can't be that many surely. Obviously, I don't know the science and data behind this so I'm making no point other than the anecdotal- I've lived half an average life span and never known anyone with it. If the risks are higher than I presume I'll gladly change my opinion that this is a non-event.

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    2. Re:I have by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Point taken; but still, it's not one of the more common cancers.

      Actually, according to cancer.org, it is the tenth most common kind of cancer:

      • breast cancer
      • lung and bronchus cancer
      • prostate cancer
      • colorectal cancer
      • melanoma of the skin
      • bladder cancer
      • non-Hodgkin lymphoma
      • kidney and renal pelvis cancer
      • endometrial cancer
      • leukemia

      Although this is actually something of a lie, as the source they got their numbers from intentionally excludes non-melanoma skin cancers (presumably because the case fatality rate for carcinoma is two orders of magnitude lower). Really, that means it is #11. Either way, it ranks ahead of pancreatic cancer, thyroid cancer, liver cancer, all forms of brain cancer, bone cancer, etc.

      And by fatality count, it rises to #7. Also note that if we could get everyone to stop smoking, it would move up another notch, both in fatalities and incidence.

      And that top ten list doesn't have that wide a probability spread, either. Breast cancer and lung cancer are each only about 4x as common as leukemia. It is not a rare cancer by any means.

      Leukemia is frequently more genetic risk than environmental even when it does occur.

      That's also not true. Most forms of Leukemia have no familial link. There is an increased prevalence in first-degree relatives and twins of people with leukemia, but this is likely because those people lived in the same house, drank the same water, breathed the same air, went to schools in the same classrooms, etc. When you see only a first-degree link and no broader familial link, this strongly suggests that environmental factors are the predominant cause, not genetics.

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    3. Re:I have by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Funny you should say that about cars, last monday on the way into work, some idiot trying to overtake managed to miss my car and smashed into the car behind me. That was just luck it wasn't me and absolutely was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time for the people in the car behind me. They did nothing to cause this accident.

      You tend to think if you drive safely, you will be fine, it's not a certainty.

      Your younger than me and I have to note that while i was in the first half of the average human life span. I didn't see much in the way of death and disease. However since reaching 40 some time ago and my peer group getting older, it just isn't uncommon anymore in my personal experience. When people die young it seems to be mostly accidental, once you hit 40 there are more and more things that will affect your quality of life and will kill you. Like Cars the more miles you drive, the more likely it is you see the consequences. I currently drive in a month about what i was driving in a year, I see a lot more accidents and near misses now.

  9. Obama did it by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 0, Troll

    Would [Trump] kill Americans to serve is foreign master?

    Obama killed Americans without due process - what about it?

    I mean - where was your outrage when your side was doing it?

    1. Re:Obama did it by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Would [Trump] kill Americans to serve is foreign master?

      Obama killed Americans without due process - what about it?

      I mean - where was your outrage when your side was doing it?

      To be fair here; I can't speak for AC but lots of people on both sides of the political spectrum have expressed outrage at the Drone Strikes. It's kind of a grey area though. He was never going to be captured to be put on trial- and did killing him save thousands of other lives? I don't know- and I don't know everything that military intelligence knew about it.

      WITHIN the US the police have the right to use lethal force if they legitimately believe the perpetrator is threat to life of another human and don't have a non-lethal option to stop them. The military are presumably (hopefully) acting under the same guideline here.

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    2. Re:Obama did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got to be kidding me. Are you so disconnected from reality that you don't think the left was outraged by drone strikes under Obama?

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      https://www.nytimes.com/roomfo...
      https://www.theatlantic.com/po...
      http://www.newsweek.com/strike...

    3. Re:Obama did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you hang out with terrorists in a foreign country, don't expect the military to say "hold up! We can't bomb this terrorist compound! A traitor is in there too!"

    4. Re:Obama did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no problem with a drone strike killing you and all your buddies if your idea of a good time is hanging out with active terrorists and spewing not just hate against America but directing the means to kill innocent civilians.

    5. Re:Obama did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

  10. I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But this has been debunked 8 ways from Sunday.

    Funny thing is all these conspiracy theories and bad press for Hillary helped get us Trump. And I"ll say one thing about Trump, he doesn't have any conspiracy theories to speak of. His administration is so openly corrupt what would be the point? He's like Dick Cheney times a million. When you tell people how corrupt he is they don't believe you because if anyone was that openly corrupt somebody, somewhere would do _something_. Right?

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    1. Re:I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      From your link: //

      Update

      On 17 October 2017, The Hill reported obtaining evidence that Vadim Mikerin, a Russian official who oversaw the American operations of the Russian nuclear agency Rosatom, was being investigated for corruption by multiple U.S. agencies while the Uranium One deal was up for approval — information that apparently was not shared with U.S. officials involved in approving the transaction. The Hill also reported receiving documents and eyewitness testimony “indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow,” although no specifics about who those Russian nuclear officials were or how the money was allegedly routed to the Clinton Foundation were given. In any case, none of these revelations prove that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton participated in a quid pro quo agreement to accept payment for approval of the Uranium One deal.

      On 24 October 2017, the U.S. House intelligence and oversight committees announced the launch of a joint investigation into the circumstances surrounding the Russian purchase of Uranium One. //

      This incident was published by the NY Times before Trump was involved. It seems rather clear she was involved in allowing Russia access, and the money trail doesn't do her any good. Trump may be out in the open, but Hillary is an absolute snake. I think for many americans they would rather the snake they can see than the snake they can't.

    2. Re:I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reality has a well known liberal bias.

    3. Re:I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I Snopes'd that. They say it's False.

    4. Re:I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the 90%+ journalists have a left wing bias.

    5. Re:I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. Also, it is false since Hillary Clinton alone could not approve the deal. On top of that it doesn't matter what your bias is when you are dealing in facts. You are free to point our where in the Snopes article bias is showing versus presentation of fact.

    6. Re:I know I shouldn't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except in this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

      Completely false. A person can be guilty without being proved of being guilty.

      A correct statement would be "a person is considered innocent under the law until proven guilty in a court of law." Even that is subject to appeal and other qualifiers.

  11. You know what else contains formaldehyde? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drinks containing alcohol. But you don't see a widespread health panic about that.

    1. Re:You know what else contains formaldehyde? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Funny

      Really? You're telling me that alcoholic drinks aren't healthy? Who knew?

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    2. Re:You know what else contains formaldehyde? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Formaldehyde occurs naturally in animal tissues as a result of amino acid digestion. That is why exposure at very low levels is not considered a concern. Exposure at higher levels are mainly a concern for the respiratory tract, e.g. nasopharyngeal cancer.

      There's also evidence from both cohort and case control studies linking high chronic exposure to certain forms of leukemia. Although the exact mechanism isn't understood, the statistical evidence is quite strong -- strong enough to justify taking precautionary measures to protect exposed workers. Note this doesn't mean that if you are a worker exposed to formaldehyde you are likely to get leukemia. While your risk is greatly elevated it is on the order of a little less than 1%.

      That's just the way the numbers work out. The rates are high enough that across the exposed population it's a serious concern that represents a large volume of human suffering; however for an individual the statistics don't warrant anything like panic.

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    3. Re:You know what else contains formaldehyde? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sugar-free soft drinks also have this problem - the hydrochloric acid in your stomach converts the artificial sweetener to formaldehyde.

  12. Who they want it to kill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They figure it'll kill Poor People, blacks, brown people, latinos, and other 'undesirables', which so far as they're concerned is a 'win-win' proposition. The Rich will of course use more expensive products and otherwise avoid this so why should they care? Their servants are disposable to them anyway, they'll just toss aside the sick and dying and get new ones.

    1. Re: Who they want it to kill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll start with you then, asshole. Up against the wall, prepare to receive your $0.13 solution.

  13. Re:Where are the facts? They're not in this articl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. There's always a risk of something when it comes to anything. We assess the risks and do what we can. Why can't there be a rational discussion about anything without somebody going straight for the extreme, nuclear route?

  14. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You've been misled by Russian propaganda"

  15. Same rhetoric, different party by GregMmm · · Score: 1

    After reading the article from Politico, I'm a bit concerned with not how the EPA is being implemented, but how easily it's leadership/direction is pointed. Only a few years ago with a different president, the EPA was going hard left in it's views. Now it seems to be going hard right. The EPA has a very long reach on every day Americans. Everyone will feel it in higher costs of good and services.

    How can you take a long look at the environment/health issues changing so radically, what could be every 4 years? Truth usually resides somewhere in the middle.

    (I'm not for the right or left, just what makes sense. It's funny to hear the same the "world is going to end" from one side when the other side is "in power")

    1. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's almost like you don't want to give government too much power because sooner or later someone you don't like will be running it.

      Welcome to the Federalist Society.

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    2. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost like you don't want to give government too much power because sooner or later someone you don't like will be running it.

      Welcome to the Federalist Society.

      Actually he's not complaining about the power the EPA has per se, but that its direction can be swayed by political winds. It's the selection process that's problematic.

      In case people didn't know, there are 4000 political appointment positions that have to be made when there is a change of administration (assuming a person isn't asked to stay on), and 1200 require Senate confirmation:

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_in_the_United_States

      Perhaps if more of these were civil service positions where people with experience had to apply, there would be less drama.

    3. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Problem is, without the government business was flat out killing people, leaving toxic landfills, polluting water supplies, and committting other heinous acts.

      Capitalism doesn't stop them because they make higher profits by doing these things. Then they walk away leaving the costs for other citiziens.

      Government needs to be powerful enough to control the largest companies and the wealthiest citizens.

      Unfortunately, they have a large financial interest in corrupting the government. You need someone incorruptible to come in and clean house and break up the corrupted departments and the corrupt businesses and wealth.

      Last time it really happened was Teddy Roosevelt.

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    4. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a bit concerned with not how the EPA is being implemented, but how easily it's leadership/direction is pointed.

      Like when it took a sudden turn about a decade ago?

    5. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost like you don't want to give government too much power because sooner or later someone you don't like will be running it.

      Welcome to the Federalist Society.

      It's almost like you don't want to give the media conglomerate too much power because sooner or later they'll convince you your NOT eating sh*t

      Welcome to the rest of society

    6. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is, without the government business was flat out killing people, leaving toxic landfills, polluting water supplies, and committing other heinous acts.

      Capitalism doesn't stop them because they make higher profits by doing these things.

      The argument against the EPA is that the rules are unreasonable and such, but as you point out the alternative is worse. If a rule is bad we can refine it. Just undoing as much environmental regulation as possible is not refinement. That is basically just saying they don't particularly give a fuck how many people die or become sick because of damage to the environment.

      In short they will eventually be guilty of many cases of negligent homicide if their policies continue.

      MAGIA. Make America Get Ill Again?

    7. Re:Same rhetoric, different party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not search "Larken Rose".

  16. Re:Where are the facts? They're not in this articl by MrMr · · Score: 1

    Studies about health risks should probably be available through the NIH. The observed health risk of formaldehyde does not seem to have changed. My interpretation of the politico piece: EPA wants stricter rules for emission anyway, the industry doesn't.
    https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/...
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

  17. "Jedidiah" is an apologist, not any scientist lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet nobody is redacting or withholding this report on the basis of ANY SCIENCE, you nitwit. You don't have a scientific leg to stand on to even critique it, which is even more notable because you don't know what it says.
    Trump is blocking it because he's anti regulation and doesn't give a fuck if people are sickened by industry, as he's demonstrated consistently. Look that word up you fucking apologist moron.

    All you're doing is trying to run distraction for a retarded decision by a traitor sellout on his way to Federal Prison, you have not a lick of scientific integrity and pretending you do is hilarious to read on slashdot as if it mattered.
     

  18. NEWS for NERDS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These constant political posts are driving me away. Please, there are many sites that already cover this crap. Stick to tech!

    1. Re:NEWS for NERDS. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      but that is manufacturing tech that causes health problems.

  19. This Jedidiah faggot has no concept of science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You truly deserve to die of cancer while being shot with a gun you retarded brain-poisoned Republican apologist faggot. I'll make sure they pump you full of Formaldehyde you love so much, stupid backwater red state faggot.

  20. Re:"Jedidiah" is an apologist, not any scientist l by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up. jedidiah clearly doesn't understand how science works. Withholding results is not science as he's trying to claim. If anything, it's a religious slaughtering of the scientific method to prevent information from getting to the public.

  21. Exposure by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    ... Formaldehyde is one of the most commonly used chemicals in the country. Americans are exposed to it through wood composites in cabinets and furniture

    And don't ferget trailers Vern. Them things is toxic with a capital "T".

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  22. Re:Where are the facts? They're not in this articl by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    That's because this article is about how the EPA is blocking the release of the facts. (Or at least a report claiming to contain them)

  23. Jedidiah is a retarded coal-smoking denialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm not impressed by anti-cancer hysteria therefore I am anti-science? " No, you're a denialist faggot generally on on this topic specifically without a lick of science behind your bullshit tropes. You're a moron, not a scientist.

    1. Re:Jedidiah is a retarded coal-smoking denialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. Seems to me he should get off the Internets and content himself to sit on his porch and yell at neighborhood kids to get off his lawn, while he waits for the Alzheimers to take what's left of his mind.

  24. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just part of making America Great Again! Can also rename the "United States Department of Defense" as the "United States Department of Offense".

  25. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The risk is mainly for workers in factories and shipping, not home owners that are exposed to plywood and laminate flooring during their lifetime, right?

  26. Maybe because it's bullsh*t by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, in DAILY life? I call major B.S. on this.

  27. The EPA Formaldehyde guidelines by Jerry · · Score: 1

    Formaldehyde oxidizes to Formic Acid in atmosphere.
    It has a half-life of about 1-2 hours unless hydroxyl ions are present, then it lasts around 12 hours.

    "Formaldehyde is an essential metabolic intermediate in all cells. It is produced during the normal metabolism of serine, glycine, methionine, and choline and also by the demethylation of N-, S-, and O-methyl compounds. As such, it is a normal metabolite, and enters into the chain of biochemical events in humans and other animals to give rise to essential cellular substances. ... In humans, the overall evidence for cancer is inconsistent and associations are relatively weak when significant."

    The EPA simple guidelines for exposure are here:
    https://www.epa.gov/aegl/forma...
    The units are ppm or mg/m^3. For most food products Formaldehyde concentrations are in micro-grams/Kg.
    The complete 71 page EPA report is here, and explains AEGL:
    https://www.epa.gov/sites/prod...
    Most individuals will notice the distinct, pungent odor of formaldehyde at the AEGL-1, less than 1ppm, and experience eye irritation. At AEGL-2 formaldehyde causes mild lacrimation (like a tear gas), at 14ppm. At AEGL-3 death occurs at100ppm for 10 minutes or in 8 hours at 35ppm.

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  28. Just Peachy ! by JimSadler · · Score: 0

    Numerous people plagued with cancer or dead from cancer doesn't bother the right wing one little bit. It is only important that businesses make money. So don't be a party pooper. Suck up some coal dust with your formaldehyde. Top it off with a mercury laced peace of tuna and you are all set.

  29. Re:"Jedidiah" is an apologist, not any scientist l by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you're doing is trying to run distraction for a retarded decision by a traitor sellout on his way to Federal Prison

    Oh look! In just half a sentence, you've revealed that you're so biassed that nothing else you write can be trusted.

  30. Look at that article... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Look at that article. Notice the pollution collected on the EPA front doors in the picture!

    Just adds to my cynicism over the anti-protection EPA policies.

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