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Facebook Apologizes After Flagging Declaration of Independence As Hate Speech (nymag.com)

To celebrate this week's holiday, The Vindicator, a small newspaper in Texas, posted sections of the Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident." "The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States." Yadda, yadda. You get the idea. But a section of the text containing the phrase "Indian Savages" set off Facebook's hate-speech flags. The post was then temporarily taken down by Facebook, Business Insider reports. From a report: He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. After The Vindicator ran a story on the censorship, Facebook corrected the mistake. "The post was removed by mistake and restored as soon as we looked into it. We process millions of reports each week, and sometimes we get things wrong," a Facebook spokesperson said. And honestly, as far as Facebook getting things wrong, this is an ideal "mistake."

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  1. Facebook hates America by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Natureâ(TM)s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â" That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â" That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. â" Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

    He has kept among us, i

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    1. Re:Facebook hates America by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

      TLDR: Hey Britain, we're breaking up with you.

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    2. Re:Facebook hates America by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

      Good thing this doesn't happen anymore.

    3. Re:Facebook hates America by jnaujok · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe the comment made by one historian (Clay Jenkinson) was, "Thomas Jefferson was the only one of the Founding Fathers that could have written the Declaration with that grandiose style. If George Washington would have written the Declaration of Independence, it would have read, 'We Quit!'"

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    4. Re:Facebook hates America by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Hey Britain, we're breaking up with you.

      It's not you, it's us. Hope we can still remain friends, but we're not gonna fuck anymore.

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    5. Re: Facebook hates America by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Letting through hate speech may make people angry, but it does not make people angry at facebook, or distrust facebook.

      Censorship in a misguided attempt to control it makes people distrust facebook, especially when added onto other issues like records and data collection.

      They think they're repairing their image when they're making it wors.

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    6. Re: Facebook hates America by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Funnily enough to, that didn't stop him owning hundreds of slaves and using them to work his plantations.

      Jefferson neither bought nor sold a single slave.

      He wound up finding himself the inheritor of his wife's family's slaves and estate.

      His choices were to either not take them and then they and their families would be split up and sold, or take them in and allow them as good a life as possible.

      Freeing them was against the law and a hanging offense at that time.

      But of course, you don't really give a single shit about historical accuracy and what actually happened, you just want to bathe in cynicism and hate.

      Hateful, partisan, and ignorant is no way to go through life, son.

      Strat

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  2. If it were written today by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In context of the 21st century, I think if it were written today plenty of people WOULD have a problem with the sentence "Indian Savages". Obviously the declaration of Independence wasn't intended as a "hate piece" but by today's morality I can't blame Facebook for automatically filtering it out per algorithm.

    I'm not a fan of Facebook or censorship (although I think a private entity like Facebook has a right to keep content non-objectionable ON THEIR SITE- but not off it) but I think there is nothing wrong with Facebook's algorithm in this case- it did what it was written to do- it caught unwanted language on it's system.

    I'm pretty sure a lot of Mark Twain's work would rightly get blocked too.

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    1. Re: If it were written today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or, you know, we can admit that "savages" describes tribal people with little technological advancement who raped and murdered each other for 10,000 years before white people showed up, then happily raped and murdered them too.

      Part of your anti-white washing of history conveniently ignores the genocidal brutality of the native population. White people were more effective, but certainly not any more brutal.

    2. Re:If it were written today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's kinda funny how, what you see as a perfectly acceptable instance of filtering out "bad speech", I see as a perfect example of why filtering "bad speech" is wrong. It is the perfect demonstration that what constitutes "bad speech" is subjective, and what one person considers "bad speech" another will not.

      Censors never expect their own speech may one day become censored.

    3. Re: If it were written today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the genocidal brutality of the native population.

      Different regions had different perspectives on war. Some of the pre-US tribes had a semi-civilized diplomatic system before they engaged in any sort of organized violence, but no method to even identify stray cross-tribe killings. Some tribes held an oddly simple revenge model, where any offense was met by a raid, with no actual concern for how much death or damage was done. There is a region where until a few decades ago, all offenses or suspected offenses were punished by death (it was the second generation of missionaries that was able to contact them alive). Some regions saw any inter-tribal offense as grounds to kill the other tribe entirely (until some pale-skinned boat-riders with a wierd language offered booze and guns in exchange for enslaving other tribes).

      Not all tribal cultures were genocidal, but most human cultures have a history of brutality (otherwise they would've been conquered by another culture).

    4. Re:If it were written today by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Wasn't it? That particular part of the US declaration of independence relates to the settler's desire not to be restricted in waging war with native Americans. Something that is today widely regarded as something between a mistake and genocide.

      Historical documents, no matter how lofty and idealistic, are often filled with nasty little details that reflect more of the realities of the day than we'd like to remember.

    5. Re: If it were written today by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, you know, we can admit that "savages" describes tribal people with little technological advancement who raped and murdered each other for 10,000 years before white people showed up, then happily raped and murdered them too.

      And I am sure the reason that I see no Native Americans where I live (in an area of the country surrounded by Native American place names, Indian settlement/burial sites, and even living in a county with the name of a tribe) was because they all just got up one day and decided to take a little stroll out West.

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    6. Re: If it were written today by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, you know, we can admit that "savages" describes tribal people with little technological advancement

      How much technological advancement is needed in your mind to represent a nation, or a civilization? They clearly had a well formed system of art, societal structure, justice and political structure.

      who raped and murdered each other for 10,000 years before white people showed up, then happily raped and murdered them too.

      Did they rape and murder more than Europeans did to each other? I'd be interesting to see your logic behind that. I'm sure they had wars- just as Europeans did. Certainly some tribes and the Aztecs had some questionable practices that were pretty brutal, but the same can't be said for all of them.

      Part of your anti-white washing of history conveniently ignores the genocidal brutality of the native population. White people were more effective, but certainly not any more brutal.

      I think that that is probably subjective, but that I would disagree. There is no evidence they were more brutal than the white people. People are people wherever you go. I also suspect that it varied dramatically based on tribe. Can you blame the Swedish for Belgium's brutal tactics in the Congo? Or the Irish for the holocaust in Germany? You can't blame all natives and their nations for what one or two tribes might have done.

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    7. Re:If it were written today by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's kinda funny how, what you see as a perfectly acceptable instance of filtering out "bad speech", I see as a perfect example of why filtering "bad speech" is wrong.

      I find it perfectly acceptable for a private institution like facebook. I don't personally use facebook, but if I did, I'd be quite happy with not having to wade through all the racist and intolerant crap you see some places. There are very few places where terms such as "Indian Savages" are used in an intelligent and useful way.

      I would not find it in the least bit acceptable if the government ran censorship like that however and censored any text. A private company- yes, that's fine. The government... absolutely not.

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    8. Re: If it were written today by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indian savages were the bioweapons of their time; indiscriminate killing machines paid off by the crown to slaughter it's enemies. Got a settlement that's giving you trouble? Offer the Indians some beads, guns, and booze. No more settlement.

      Of course it was a bioweapon that also had a mind of it's own and tended to blow up in your face, which was rather a large downside.

    9. Re: If it were written today by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Certainly some tribes and the Aztecs had some questionable practices that were pretty brutal

      You heard it here, folks; carving the still beating hearts out of (lowballing) 4,000 people in 4 days in order to celebrate the building of a temple is a "questionable practice". Rather akin to jaywalking in many ways.

      There is no evidence they were more brutal than the white people.

      Even if that were true, the Deceleration isn't comparing them to all white people in all of human history. There's loads of evidence that natives (even the kindler, gentler North American variety) were far more brutal than the British colonists / budding revolutionaries who wrote the thing.

    10. Re: If it were written today by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So I guess nobody told you, but "savage" was an accurate description of Native Americans circa the 1700s. I agree many would be upset, but it would be in the "contemporary tradition" of people getting upset at facts that clash with their carefully constructed facade of "alternative facts."

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    11. Re: If it were written today by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wasn't it? That particular part of the US declaration of independence relates to the settler's desire not to be restricted in waging war with native Americans.

      Nonsense. Far from imposing restrictions on waging war, the British crown had a history of encouraging Indian attacks against the colonials. THAT is what this passage is complaining about. It's pretty damn clear: "has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers the merciless Indian savages". As in "has actively worked to have indians slaughter our frontier colonists".

      Historical documents, no matter how lofty and idealistic, are often filled with nasty little details that reflect more of the realities of the day than we'd like to remember.

      Yeah, especially when you misinterpret them due to some misguided desire to find nasty little details.

      Interestingly enough the very next paragraph which Jefferson wrote for the Deceleration was originally a condemnation of the British for failing to stop the slave trade. It was struck out of the final draft because the southern colonies objected, but, in the context of this discussion, it seems rather unlikely that in one breath Jefferson would be complaining "you won't let us kill the injuns" while in the next he's saying "you won't stop enslaving Africans", don't you think?

    12. Re: If it were written today by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      P.P.S. jaywalking and carving out beating hearts, both deplorable.

    13. Re: If it were written today by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How much technological advancement is needed in your mind to represent a nation, or a civilization?

      Beyond stone age would be a good start.

      Did they rape and murder more than Europeans did to each other?

      Yes, they did. Don't idealize - murder rates are much higher in primitive societies, and tribal warfare has far higher casualty rates per capita than modern warfare*. The 20th century set every record for scale -- Mao murdered more than anyone in history -- but for percentage murdered, tribal living is the worst.

      *With the possible exception of old-school naval boarding actions, which were right up there with tribal warfare for appalling casualty rates, for pretty much the same reason: when matched forces go all-in until one side is incapable of continuing the fight, 50% casualties on the winning side is common.

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    14. Re: If it were written today by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More or less questionable than executing women because somebody said they were witches?

      The institutionalised slaughter of tens of hundreds of thousands of people over hundreds of years, vs the execution of a few dozen women in an isolated area during a moral panic?

      I dunno, man, they're so close that I can barely tell them apart. It's like trying to decide what's worse: the transatlantic slave trade, or that one guy who locked his daughter in the basement. An impossible task, to be sure.

    15. Re: If it were written today by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure, because the Royal Proclamation of 1763 wasn't a thing, and the young United States of America didn't pursue westward expansion, manifest destiny, continentalism, or any of those other nasty bits. Jefferson himself didn't preside over the Louisiana purchase, opening up quite a bit of territory west of the Mississippi. Jefferson was extremely anti-slavery, not being himself a prominent slave owner, and he immediately freed all his slaves as soon as the declaration was signed.

      The British weren't saints. Neither were the American colonists, nor the native Americans.

    16. Re: If it were written today by tsqr · · Score: 2

      The concentration camps were manned and run by members of the SS, not your run of the mill Nazi conscript. And yes, you can blame all SS for what some SS did - they were all volunteers, and all fanatically dedicated to carrying out their Furher's wishes.

    17. Re: If it were written today by DanDD · · Score: 2

      c6gunner - you just described the United States foreign policy in the Middle East - Irag, Libya, etc. How's that working out? The ongoing civil war in Libya is causing oil disruptions - it might even push gas prices up above $4.00 this summer. That might dent your pocket book due to your rebel flag adorned pickup truck that gets 8 miles per gallon. How sad.

      And how the f**k did your ignorant, racist, historical lie get modded up? You must be a clever little sock puppet.

      European invaders were the real bioweapons and knowingly used smallpox to wipe out Native Americans.

      Any reasonable person can't really blame the Native Americans for trying to defend their home and way of life against lying, savage barbarians with no respect for any way of life other than their own.

      Fortunately there are still a few Native Americans left alive. They aren't exactly prospering, but at least their story is being told

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    18. Re: If it were written today by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the Taiping Rebellion, where the Chinese had to fight off the deranged escapades of delusional Christian converts. As many as 100 million died between 1850 and 1864.

      Your own source gives contradictory numbers about total dead, but it seems to lean more towards a figure like 20-30 million rather than your 100. It also points out that the majority of those were due to famine and disease rather than "barbarity" as you would have us believe.

      The more important issue, though, is that you've mischaracterized the entire conflict. This is explained by your own source:

      "The Taiping Rebellion began in the southern province of Guangxi when local officials launched a campaign of religious persecution against a millenarian sect known as the God Worshipping Society led by Hong Xiuquan, who believed himself to be the younger brother of Jesus Christ. ...

      Hostilities began on January 1, 1851, when the Qing Green Standard Army launched an attack against the God Worshipping Society at the town of Jintian, Guangxi"

      In other words, the established imperial dynasty first targeted the Christians for persecution and then engaged in open warfare against them. Which you have somehow managed to spin into the exact opposite. Nice try there, but no.

      Both sides were equal in terms of resources and technology, but in this case the Christians lost, and were demonstrably the most barbaric.

      Nothing in your source supports this claim. On the contrary, passages like this suggest the opposite:

      "Reportedly in the province of Guangdong, it is written that 1,000,000 were executed because after the collapse of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, the Qing Dynasty launched waves of massacres against the Hakkas, killing up to 30,000 each day during the height of the massacres."

      I'm not going to pretend to know enough about the conflict in order to have an informed opinion about which side was more brutal ... but I'm certainly not going to take your word on it given how badly you managed to spin the nature of the conflict thusfar.

      I like how you cherry-pick little bits of history

      Thanks. I like how you flat out lie about major chunks of history.

      Let me guess, you are the product of the US public school system, or home schooled by fundamentalists, perhaps?

      You've managed 3 incorrect guesses in one sentence. I'm not american, I definitely wasn't home schooled, and I'm pretty sure that "fundamentalist atheist" isn't a thing. While I dislike all forms of organised religion (and magical thinking in general), I dispise your sort of dishonest attacks on religion even more. Only a fool would make up reasons for attacking religion when there are so many legitimate reasons to criticise it.

      I do however find a great deal of amusement in seeing how often my education, nationality, and religion are questioned by smug ignoramuses. Thanks for that.

  3. malice indistinguishable from incompetence by anthony_greer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because of the clear leftward lean of Tech/social media companies, there will be a natural inclined to suspect every thing they decide to remove from their systems or block. This is a self created position that is the result of past actions that seemed pretty clearly anti-one-political-party.

    I think people understand that this sort of thing is possible and can accept that mistakes happen, but that cant be accepted when the organizations like Facebook have burned up whatever good faith they had.

    1. Re:malice indistinguishable from incompetence by pgmrdlm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trying to CENSOR anyone's speech is crap. And I don't care what political party. Your moronic AntiFa physically attack anyone they disagree with. How about you? Your liberal colleges can not even deal with differing views without calling them hateful and protesting to not allow what they disagree with. What are you afraid of? Can't handle hearing an opposing argument because you are afraid you might actually learn something that your personal information sources did not let you see/hear/learn? The problem with liberals is they do not try to broaden their information or opinions by listening to others. Not all, trust me. But your comment shows you are one of them that can't handle opposing opinions.

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  4. Re:Party like it's 1776... by nwaack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They do care...they care enough to bitch and moan constantly AFTER the election, they just can't be bothered to get off their couch and do something about it on election day.

  5. Facebook was right by DanDD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Declaration of Independence does contain hate speech against Native Americans. These are the same Native Americans that the SCOTUS has sided with regarding US violation of multiple treaties. Here's one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The language in that document regarding Native Americans was hateful, racist and unjust then, and it still is now.

    Facebook's algorithm was right.

    This doesn't mean Facebook hates the US, or freedom, or white people. This does mean that our past, present, and future are full of moral choices that define us.

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    1. Re:Facebook was right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Hate speech" wasn't invented as a concept until the late 20th century, so regarding a two-centuries old text by the standards of political correctness makes about as much sense as criticizing its spelling and capitalization by current standards.

  6. But wait, there's more! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many of you remember when NPR tweeted out the Declaration of Independence line by line and a bunch of Trump supporters got mad because they thought it was about Trump? It happened last year, and it happened again this year.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/julia...

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  7. Re:We Don't Have To Stand Behind Past Decisions by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do other countries have such guilt for existing as the U.S. seems to have?

    Most countries and borders that exist today are there because of war and taking from natives.

  8. Yes, apparently I am 12 by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    I reached this one section and immediately thought of Beevis and Butthead:

    ”He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people”

    Hehe. Hehe. “Manly Firmness” hehe. Hehe.

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  9. H1B Made the Code by LifesABeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Billionaires some times forget what happens to Kings in America.

  10. Re: Filters should not replace human review. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's weird. I would have expected it would be because you do things like randomly repeating words in a way that makes the sentence nonsensical :-)

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  11. Re:We Don't Have To Stand Behind Past Decisions by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    Anzac regions... South America.... also have pushed out native populations. Africa and the Middle East long history of enslaving each other and fighting each other. Same with Asia. Europe has more than it's fair share of bloody hands.

    Yes, every country is guilty of at least some atrocity.

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  12. Re:We Don't Have To Stand Behind Past Decisions by markdavis · · Score: 2

    >"We don't have to stand behind it today. We shouldn't."

    Indeed. I wouldn't ever deny the horrible things that happened in history. But I won't ignore the great and wonderful things either. What happened to the Native Americans was way beyond unfortunate- something that inevitably seems to happen whenever ANY more technologically advanced culture on the move encounters another. History is full of it, all over the world. Going back far enough, I am sure my European ancestors were slaves or slave owners, thieves and saints, nobility and commoners, murderers and heroes, good and immoral, poor and rich, bright and dim.

    And, yet, a wonderful country WAS born, and set forth ideals far beyond what they could accomplish at the time. I remember the past, but also choose to look forward, knowing *we* (none of us) are responsible for what happened before we were born. Trying to hide or embellish where we have been doesn't help, but neither does demanding reparations.

    I choose to believe in the ability of our country to overcome adversity. It is the freedom that was born from the Declaration of Independence and cemented in the Constitution's Bill of Rights that enabled us to become one of the best countries on earth. I would hate to see that all go away in the name of safety, convenience, or not offending anyone.

  13. Re: We Don't Have To Stand Behind Past Decisions by c6gunner · · Score: 2

    They have property rights same as everyone else. Don't be a spaz. The fact that reservations are designed to be a Communist Utopia is irrelevant to the individual rights of the natives themselves.

    Those who prefer a true capitalist community tend to move off the rez and live elsewhere. Those who prefer the "traditional native society" tend to stay there. We don't have some berlin-wall type structure keeping them from finding a better life on the other side; they have the freedom to choose.

  14. Re: Um... they're not wrong by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Makes sense. Kinda how the phrase "white supremacist" clearly implies that all white people are supremacists. Or how "Islamic militant" is obviously a deceleration that all Muslims are violent terrorists.

    Oh wait ...

  15. Fuck that. by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "rightly"

    There is no reason to block Mark Twain.

    Listen here, I"m no right-winger, but facts are FACTS:

    1) People were racist in the past
    2) a lot of people
    3) and they tortured and they maimed and they killed and they raped
    4) and they wrote fiction, nonfiction, history, and philosophy about it

    This is our inheritance as human beings. Any notion of "rightly blocking" racism, violence, sexism, etc. is nothing more or less than book burning.

    If a politician today says something racist, by all means don't vote for them.

    But if Mark Twain or Thomas Jefferson says something racist, and you decide that this means that we have to erase Mark Twain or Thomas Jefferson from history, all I have to say is: human history belongs to all of us, and it's both unpleasant and educational. So a big fuck you to the book burners.

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  16. Large number of Indians were killed by disease by mveloso · · Score: 3, Informative

    When the settlers came, they killed off a huge amount of indians via disease. You can read Squanto's account of America after his return; a land that was full of people was basically a ghost town.

    It's crazy, but disease probably wiped out an order of magnitude more people than the US did.

  17. um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fake news is not an imaginary thing.

    When only 7% of journalists are Republicans in a country as evenly divided as ours, there is NO WAY the news is unbiased or biased in favor of the right.

    When those almost totally left wing reporters then provide coverage of a Republican president that is more than 90% negative even as the economy is booming and consumer confidence is at an 18 year high it's a sign that something is off-balance in the newsrooms.

    When those same left wing journalists (who insist they are "main stream" and unbiased) make error after error after error against that Republican president but somehow amazingly not in his favor, after spending 8 years performing virtual analingus on Obama, it's a sign of a problem.

    You can whine and complain all you want that people to your political right believe that much of the "mainstream" news is actually just fake propaganda, but they have more ammunition for their beliefs than you have for yours.

    Get back to me when the "journalists" currently panicking that ONE former Fox news reporter is a State Dept spokesperson and ONE former Fox News producer is about to take the White House communications director job decide to retroactively panic at the HUNDREDS of Google people who went back-and-forth between White House jobs under Obama and their Google jobs, or the numerous ties between Obama admin people and ALL the non-Fox news networks. Try looking up all those Obama-era media connections... if you have an honest bone in your body you'll be shocked.

  18. Well it is "fighting words" that started a war by drnb · · Score: 2

    Well the Declaration of Independence was "fighting words" that started a war. The 1/3 of the population that wished to remain loyal British subjects likely did consider it "hate speech", plus a few folks on the other side of the Atlantic, and oh yeah them Canadians too.

    But yeah. a phrase or two in there likely triggered a filter and/or facebook employee.