Post Office Owes $3.5 Million For Using Wrong Statue of Liberty On a Stamp (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A sculptor who created a replica of the Statue of Liberty for a Las Vegas casino was awarded $3.5 million in damages last week after the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) accidentally used a photo of his statue -- rather than a photo of the original statue in New York harbor -- on one of its most common stamps. If you bought a "forever" stamp between 2011 and 2014, there's a good chance that it showed the face of the Statue of Liberty replica that sculptor Robert Davidson constructed for the New York-New York Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The Post Office licensed a photo of Davidson's statue from the image service Getty for $1,500, initially believing it was a photograph of the original statue. (The license only covered the rights to Getty's photograph of the statue -- not the statue itself.)
The stamp with the resulting image was released to the public in December 2010; it took four months before anyone pointed out the mistake to the Post Office. In March 2011, a spokesperson said that the USPS "still loves the stamp design and would have selected this photograph anyway." The Post Office continued using the photo for almost three years before retiring it in January 2014. The court reportedly awarded Davidson a five percent royalty for $70 million worth of unused stamps; it also awarded him $5,000 in damages for the nearly $5 billion worth of stamps that were used to pay postage. The total damages amounted to $3.55 million.
The stamp with the resulting image was released to the public in December 2010; it took four months before anyone pointed out the mistake to the Post Office. In March 2011, a spokesperson said that the USPS "still loves the stamp design and would have selected this photograph anyway." The Post Office continued using the photo for almost three years before retiring it in January 2014. The court reportedly awarded Davidson a five percent royalty for $70 million worth of unused stamps; it also awarded him $5,000 in damages for the nearly $5 billion worth of stamps that were used to pay postage. The total damages amounted to $3.55 million.
A copy (stamp) of a copy (photo) of a copy (lv statue) of a copy (ny statue) of the orginal in france. Getty should be paying the people of France not the usps paying the lv statue artist.
Unfortunately the Statue of Liberty is long out of copyright. (Although there are those in the U.S. Congress, paid off by Disney, who want to change copyright to "pretty much forever".)
Getty are a bunch of crooks.
Claiming ownership of pictures that they have zero rights to...
Over selling rights, such as this case...
Extortionist tactics against those they decree to be "violators"...
Getty needs to be scuttled.
P.S. The Post Office needs to appeal this bullshit as well as sue Getty.
someone was paid to make a copy of the statue of liberty
they retained the rights to their work
the USPS used an image of that statue instead of the original and refused to pay up
the artist sued and won a lot of money
lesson - the US government has to follow it's laws
The license only covered the rights to Getty's photograph of the statue -- not the statue itself.
The stamp only contained the photograph of the statue -- not the statue itself.
The USPS is not the U.S. Government. It is a corporation that has government oversight. The payments for this lawsuit come out of the revenue that was generated selling the stamps that were never used (collected). Try reading the article a little more carefully. Also, learn some basic facts and critical thinking. There is too much of that lacking these days.
This seems, based on the quote, like the USPS figured a reasonable licensing fee could be worked out, which makes sense. So did the artist try to gouge them? Why would they need to pay royalties on stamps that were never sold? Can't they just destroy them and call it even? Also it sure seems like Getty should be on the hook for a lot of this, otherwise what is the point of paying them for photos at all if they don't actually hold the rights to sell usage of them. You could buy rights to a photo from Getty only to find out later that photo is of something specific that you thought was generic and be on the hook for millions. That breaks the whole model of them acting as a broker for stock-ish photos.
This was not his original work, this was Davidson's copy of the Statue of Liberty. Yes, absolutely it is a derivative work.
Yea, it feels like Getty should be liable here. Is the USPS going to go after them now? I feel like they should.
This makes no sense, you pay a big agency like Getty's for the rights of an image and you have to hunt down yourself potential right owners of whatever the images show because it's your fault if others come after you? Is everyone in copyright law, including judges, completely bonkers?
Rhetorical question it seems, we do have an answer...
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What is the point of paying getty for a licence if it doesn't allow you to actually use the piece of shit without getting sued?
Guy didnt sculpt and most likely in no way contributes to the statue of liberty; he took a picture of it and then gets money for a pic? lol wat
Copyright in america is broken to all hell
You should try to read the article
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Why is the sculptor allowed to make a copy of the statue of liberty, but the USPS is not allowed to make a copy of a picture of that statue?
Sounds like bullshit to me.
Also, how exactly is this stamp replacing the use of that statue?
Seems like an absolutely retarded ruling.
So this thing that happened under Obama is somehow Trump's fault?
Stand for freedom. Apparently this isn't the land of the free if you can't even take a picture of a picture of a copy of a picture of the very symbol of liberty without paying. Yeah yeah legal jargon, blah blah, any rational person can see that no justice was given in our justice system in this case.
We also don't what what liberty looks like either.
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Robert Davidson will be paid the equivalent value in forever stamps.
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Getty should be at fault for licensing a photo of property that they did not have the rights to. They should be the one paying damages.
Taking this further, it looks like if you photograph property that is not your own, then you have no rights to license said photo. This kind of kills Getty's business model, as well as photography in general. The law is broken, but lawyers don't care.
Yea the law stinks. Or Getty is a fraud.
The unused stamps were sold but have not (yet) been used, they are 'forever' stamps which do not lose their value so could be used at any time in the future. Getty's terms of use explicitly state that licensing responsibility lies with the user (which is IMHO rather shady, but they do state it up front).
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Stealing from poor artists is about the lowest of the low. Trump hates art so he constantly destroys the lives of artists.
The image appears on stamps sold between 2011 and 2014, do I guess it was Obama stealing from the poor artist.
The sculptor added his own desired features to the statue - a slightly younger, more rounded face, which was prominently displayed on the stamp. This addition of features creates a transformative work and is thus protected under copyright, at least under this ruling.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I can't help but wonder what the "damage" was, though. I know, artists should be paid for their work, blah, blah, but in this case it was an honest mistake and no harm was done, so the word "damages" doesn't seem entirely appropriate.Sounds more like a lucky windfall or money grab to me, especially since it's hard to argue that the statue is entirely an original idea of the artist not based on any prior art whatsoever. Oh well, good for him I suppose.
What exactly is the significant difference, then? Other than "the artist did a poor job of copying the statue so it doesn't look quite the same"? Did he really mean to add anything to it?
So what am I misunderstanding?
That after the error being pointed out the USPS continued to use the image. I don't see that Getty could be on the hook for anything after the error was pointed out.
Why is the sculptor allowed to make a copy of the statue of liberty, but the USPS is not allowed to make a copy of a picture of that statue?
Because his version is different, and the original is no longer under any form of copyright.
But USPS continued to use the image after the error was discovered. Getty can't reasonably be held responsible for anything after that point.
lesson - the US government has to follow it's laws
Something is missing from your tale: "but nobody in the US government cares, because it's not their money, and they won't be fired anyway".
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Exactly. Getty sold them a license to an image which apparently they didn't have the rights for.
Continuing to use the image after the error was discovered is not the same thing as continuing to use the image after finding out that a litagious copycat thinks he has a right to copies of photos of the copy he made.
The photo is a derivative work. It's the photographer who is really at fault for selling the photo without rights, but the photographer doesn't have deep enough pockets to bother suing. Though the entity eligible to sue the photographer is the USPS and they are happy to pay the settlement and keep the profits on the stamps they sold.
The US doesn't recognize copyright for works made prior to the formation of Disney.
And France would own the copyright if one existed.
Continuing to use the image after the error was discovered is not the same thing as continuing to use the image after finding out that a litagious copycat thinks he has a right to copies of photos of the copy he made.
The artist does have a right to representations of his artwork used for commercial purposes, though. Let's say you recorded a version of Robert Johnson's Crossroads (He's long dead, it's not under copyright now). If someone used that recording to advertise liquor, you would probably be annoyed if you were not paid the required mechanical royalties on the recording, not the songwriting. And your recording of Crossroads would be a cover version, so not completely original. The statue was a 'cover version' of the Statue of Liberty.
P.S. Saying that he can't control the use of images of his work is like saying that an advertiser could use your recording as long as they got someone to tape it off the radio for them.
The worst part is probably that they even used Getty images at all, its not like there are NO USPS employees in NYC that could have been sent to take a picture of the statue. Hell, even if they had given someone a paid day off to go charter a ride out and get a good picture, it probably would have been cheeper than the initial licensing of the Getty pic, and orders of magnitude cheeper than this settlement.
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Unfortunately the Statue of Liberty is long out of copyright.
I would have said it is fortunate. Such an important cultural and politicalicon of that age should be out of copyright to allow people to freely use it in cultural and political ways.
Yes, indeed; it's the American way!
(1) Statue of Liberty goes out of copyright
(2) Plagiarize it
(3) take photo of plagiarized statue
(4) Profit!