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The Funky Boat Circling the Planet on Renewable Energy and Hydrogen Gas (wired.com)

Victorien Erussard, an experienced ocean racer from the city of Saint-Malo in the north of France, was halfway through a dash across the Atlantic when he lost all power. Never again, he thought. "I came up with the idea to create a ship that uses different sources of energy," he says. The plan was bolstered by the pollution-happy cargo ships he saw while crossing the oceans. "These are a threat to humanity because they use heavy fuel oil." Five years on, that idea has taken physical form in the Energy Observer, a catamaran that runs on renewables. From a report: In a mission reminiscent of the Solar Impulse 2, the solar-powered plane that Bertrand Picard and Andre Borschberg flew around the world a few years back, Erussard and teammate Jerome Delafosse are planning to sail around the planet, without using any fossil fuel. Instead, they'll make the fuel they need from sea water, the wind, and the sun.

The Energy Observer started life as a racing boat but now would make a decent space battle cruiser prop in a movie. Almost every horizontal surface on the white catamaran is covered with solar panels (1,400 square feet of them in all), which curve gently to fit the aerodynamic contours. Some, on a suspended deck that extends to the sides of the vessel, are bi-facial panels, generating power from direct sunlight as well as light reflected off the water below. The rear is flanked by two vertical, egg whisk-style wind turbines, which add to the power production. Propulsion comes from two electric motors, driven by all that generated electrical energy, but it's the way that's stored that's clever. The Energy Observer uses just 106-kWh (about equivalent to a top-end Tesla) of batteries, for immediate, buffer, storage and energy demands. It stores the bulk of the excess electricity generated when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing as hydrogen gas.

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  1. There's an existing method already by djinn6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The rear is flanked by two vertical, egg whisk-style wind turbines, which add to the power production.

    I guess these folks haven't heard of sailing.

    1. Re:There's an existing method already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rear is flanked by two vertical, egg whisk-style wind turbines, which add to the power production.

      I guess these folks haven't heard of sailing.

      There has been (off and on) talk of building modern versions of the windjammers, which would probably be the most environmentally safe way of shipping things. It probably won't happen though, but with modern technology you might be able to build something with just a couple of crew members controlling it all.

    2. Re:There's an existing method already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sailing takes skill, and there's nothing to sell but manuals and courses... Doesn't scale.

    3. Re:There's an existing method already by Noishkel · · Score: 1

      Well if it's all a matter of the right level of skill then why doesn't someone work on automating the process? Or at least as much of it as can be done.

    4. Re:There's an existing method already by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      what's funny is that dude is saying bad things about bunker oil fueled cargo ships when his wimpy setup could never power such things.....but sailing or augmenting with sails is indeed an option being seriously persued

    5. Re:There's an existing method already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i beg to differ. Those giant sails they're experimenting with are nothing? particularly the replacements when gales rip them to shreds? Sail augmented diesel is completely plausible, and will probably be commercialized inside 2 decades.

      this jackhole, though, with his publicity stunt will probably create more pollution than he could possibly prevent.

    6. Re:There's an existing method already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I guess you've never sailed?

      Sailing problem #1: Doldrums (no wind)
      Sailing problem #2: Restricted in direction one can travel more than you might care to think
      Sailing problem #3: (The biggy): Your energy budget for electricity for everything you want for day to day living.

      So why electric over conventional fuel based?

      1) You don't have to worry about cost of fuel (although cost of ownership is questionable with initial capital required)
      2) You don't have to worry about quality of fuel in dodgy ports clogging you filters (even if you have a polisher)
      3) You have the a single a clean energy source system end-2-end (again, after accounting for production issues)

      This is something I've been looking for myself for almost 10 years. My regret is I won't get to see it fast enough to a commodity price to afford it.

    7. Re:There's an existing method already by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      1. Find a nation with a navy that does real training ship work. ie they have tall ships and expect a crew to learn the skills.
      2. Show them the "automating the process" for sail.
      3. Hire a skilled crew with navy skills for when the "automating the process" needs support.
      4. Enjoy the automated sail and having a great crew.

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    8. Re: There's an existing method already by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Sailing problem #1: Doldrums (no wind)
      Sailing problem #2: Restricted in direction one can travel more than you might care to think
      Sailing problem #3: (The biggy): Your energy budget for electricity for everything you want for day to day living.

      Sailing fix #1: fuel reserve. Whether electric or conventional, you can carry enough to get you through the slow periods.
      Sailing fix #2: IANAS but given several hundred years of history your second problem sounds like a PEBDAS issue.
      Sailing fix #3: the fact that you have sails does not prevent you from installing some solar panels for non-propulsion needs.

      A mix of sail and solar-electric seems like a much better solution that this floating monstrosity.

    9. Re:There's an existing method already by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Using the wind for propulsion directly you are affected by things like wind direction and speed. These work with wind from any angle and generate electricity that is used to power the motors.

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    10. Re:There's an existing method already by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Using the wind for propulsion directly you are affected by things like wind direction and speed

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    11. Re:There's an existing method already by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 1

      the guy lost power during a trans-atlantic sailing race. I'm a bit puzzled as to why that was a huge problem, but he does seem to be somewhat aware of the method. He also uses as his base hull, a former transatlantic racing sailing catamaran. I don't understand why people think that something other than sailing will be magically more efficient than, well, sailing... I would think they should have put a large vertical axis wind turbine near where the mast would be, it would likely provide a lot more power than the solar cells, and would be complementary. I say vertical axis because putting a large weight at the top of a tall tower has issues in a boat.

    12. Re:There's an existing method already by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Well if it's all a matter of the right level of skill then why doesn't someone work on automating the process?

      Because people who sail actually enjoy the process of sailing.

    13. Re: There's an existing method already by silverdirk · · Score: 1

      The one I want to see is a fully automated Clipper ship, complete with actuated rigging and navigation. Add some solar panels to power the actuators, and let them ferry cargo autonomously.

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  2. Been done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    navigating around the world on wind power has been done, google Magellan...

    1. Re: Been done. by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      Did he make it all the way?
      I thought Chief Lapu Lapu capped his arse.
      I could Google it but why?

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    2. Re: Been done. by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Okay. Ignore Magellan because he personally didn't make it. But there were thousands of others who did make it WAY before ships were powered by engines.

    3. Re: Been done. by kenwd0elq · · Score: 2

      Magellan himself did not survive the voyage, but others of his crew did. The point being that the SHIP went around the world using wind energy.

    4. Re: Been done. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It scaled out into a worldwide network of wind powered ships engaging in commerce, which this dude's stunt only really repeats.

    5. Re: Been done. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Magellan didn't make it, but one of his ships did, of course on wind power all the way.

  3. Age of sail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or they could have just put up a mast and some canvass.

    Might even be faster too.

    1. Re: Age of sail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We once sailed cheap, washed cloth diapers, drank from glass bottles, etc. Time to return to those means of doing things green.

    2. Re: Age of sail by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

      Here, here! I certainly agree. I raised my children using cloth diapers.

    3. Re: Age of sail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was sailing "cheap?"

      You know the saying: "time is money."

      Also, if there wasn't enough wind, you could die.

    4. Re: Age of sail by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Sailing was cheap because people were cheap. Commercial sailing died because fuel cost less than labor. Glass bottles died out because it's cheaper to make new plastic than to wash and transport used glass (and deal with all the breakage). And cloth diapers... let's face it, nobody wants to have to deal with someone else's (literal) shit any more than they absolutely have to, even if they're your own children.

  4. Look, I know it's easy to make fun of this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, I know it's easy to make fun of this guy and his crazy boat.

    And that's because it's a stupid fucking boat with absolutely zero usable square footage for little things like "being a person on a boat", because it's a terrible design.

  5. I guess I need to crowdfund by cdsparrow · · Score: 0

    A boat that is just a giant solar panel. Then add a sail and a fan blowing the sail. Think how cool that would be!

    1. Re:I guess I need to crowdfund by eliphalet · · Score: 1

      So he's using the solar power to move the vessel, so the wind turbine will spin and cause drag.

  6. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm certainly blown away by how they managed to build such an expensive and complex boat that isn't capable to doing any useful work whatsoever.

    It's French.

    They are good at that sort of thing.

  7. Forget hydrogen, use plastic by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    What we really need is ships that extract plastic from the water and use that. Shipping routes might have to change a bit to actually go through the crap but there is far more than enough to power all ships in the world. It would be nice if they could simultaneously capture the CO2.

    1. Re:Forget hydrogen, use plastic by tarokejihi · · Score: 1

      There are two experimental projects to actually demonstrate the concept:

        https://www.theseacleaners.org...

        http://plasticodyssey.org/?lan...

      The sites provide details about the pyrolysis process used to transform plastic waste into fuel.

    2. Re:Forget hydrogen, use plastic by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      Cool. I knew of cleaning efforts but not actual efforts to use it as fuel like the second. Still, would love to see something like this on full-scale cargo vessels.

  8. Re:Where is the 'Funky Boat'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. I'm impressed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I'm impressed to see "funky" used in a non-ironic way. Got to be the first time this century.

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  10. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's basically like all the houses around here but a lot more bouyant. nothing new nor any interesting use of any current tech. i guess my point is if you say "egg whisk-style" when you mean VAWT you lose all credibility. "hydrogen gas"? you mean hydrogen fuel cells of which there are plenty to just buy online. what i will say to anyone considering a VAWT is no, stop, unless the equipment is free and your engineering skills are superb

  11. Not a bad thing that sailing requires skill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simpler and cheaper sailing becomes, (here using the word "sailing" as a generic term for being on a boat that is moving,) for example, power-boating without having to pay all the costs of conventional fuel in the copious quantities necessary to move a sizable vessel vast distances without wind power, the more unqualified people will be on the water, constituting a hazard to navigation. That it requires skill discourages those who don't have the time or are unwilling to exert the effort required to learn things necessary to be a competent skipper or captain or whatever, which is to the benefit of all concerned. (People who don't belong on the water, let alone in charge of a vessel of any kind, are more likely to wreck their boats, (or others' vessels) with harm to themselves, crew, if there are any, passengers if there are any, bystanders, etc., or loss of life, so I am content with the current state of affairs that such people are discouraged by the difficulty and investment in time and effort required, and thereby their numbers are minimized.

    I'm not a snob, nor do I claim to be anything even remotely LIKE fully qualified myself, but I have completed a small-boat sailing class, and have sailed solo in a small craft around a large lake on completion of the course for hours, and managed to stay afloat, and dry, after attending a course on how to do so safely, and in accordance with the "rules of the road," (as they're paradoxically called in boating, which strikes me as odd, since most boats lack the wheels, headlights, amber sidemarkers and brake lights needed to be operated on roads, and there are other challenges as well, since they're mostly designed for water, and most of them, when actually being used and not stored, are generally used on water of some kind,) safe and effective handling of the boat, setting of the sail, switching from one side to the other while tacking, and so on. I am slowly reading through a number of books on boating, sailing, techniques, etc., learning manual solar and celestial navigation (w/, i.e., e.g., a sextant,) and other sailing skills necessary for basic competence so that I will be ready to join the community of boaters and cruisers when I finally DO buy a boat, or build one, (hahahah right,) and to be worthy of joining that community, and not a nuisance or a hazard to others.

    For privately owned boats, AFAIK in most places, there aren't a lot of hard and/or fast requirements for what you have to do to have a boat and drive it around. It's not like having a car, at least not here, to the best of my knowledge. So until they change the rules, I'm glad this is only a new thing and I hope it doesn't catch-on, and there don't end up being even more people floating around, and doing dumb things out on the water.

  12. Completely unfeasible by Solandri · · Score: 1

    The largest container ships are 400m long by 59m wide. Their engines produce a max of about 75,000 kW of power. If you assume the engines normally operate at 80% peak generating capacity, that's 60,000 kW.

    If you covered the entire top of the ship with solar panels, that would be 400m*59m = 23,600 m^2 of solar panels (actually a bit less due to curvature at the bow and stern).

    How much power would the panels need to produce to replace the diesel engines? 60,000 kW / 23,600 m^2 = 2.5 kW/m^2, or 2500 Watts/m^2.

    The solar constant at the Earth's orbit is only 1361 Watts/m^2. Best case on earth (sun directly overheat) gets you about 1000 Watts/m^2. Typical commercial-grade solar panels can convert this into about 150-200 Watts/m^2. Solar capacity factor (which takes into account night, weather, seasons, movement of the sun through the sky) at the latitudes commonly used for shipping is around 0.15 (Western Europe is worse at close to 0.1). Which lowers the average panel production (for a year) down to 22.5 - 30 Watts/m^2.

    So basically covering an entire container ship with solar panels will only produce about 1% of the power it needs to propel itself.

    1. Re:Completely unfeasible by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      sun directly overheat

      Not for a few billion years.

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    2. Re:Completely unfeasible by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Duh! It's a CARGO SHIP! Meaning it's carrying lots and lots of CONTAINERS! We cover the top of each container with solar panels,so they collect solar energy. Then we stack the containers 50-60 high and...

      Oh, wait...

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    3. Re:Completely unfeasible by PPH · · Score: 1

      We had a solution for the cargo ship emissions years ago.

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  13. There's precedent by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1
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  14. circling the planet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Circumnavigating the planet is what was meant.

    Circling the planet is more like the moon's job. This catamaran is not in orbit.

  15. Uhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you heard of wind?

  16. "Funky" boat? See this for what it is. by fygment · · Score: 1

    It's funky only if you've been oblivious the developments in the yachting world (esp. catamarans and French sail racing). State of the art design, state of the are materials, even state of the art propulsion equipment (the ideas are old but the implementation is SOTA).
    Also, see this for what it is: advertising for renewable energy and responsible environmental practices. While this is utterly impractical (currently) for a ship, the scale _is_ practical for a reasonably sized private dwelling.

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  17. Re:Uhhh... _Read_ and think beyond the words. by fygment · · Score: 1

    The guy is one of the premier sail racers in the world. The boat is a riff of the kind of high performance cat- and tri- maran sail boats he has raced. He's doing this to highlight renewable energy's potential.

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  18. Hydrogen works here because volume isn't an issue by TheNarrator · · Score: 1

    Hydrogen fuel cells are impractical in land vehicles because even though they are lighter than batteries for the energy they store, they take up a lot of physical space. On the Ocean there's plenty of space and weight is more of an issue, so it works out better. Less weight means less volume below the waterline. This means it takes less energy and creates less drag to propel the boat.

  19. Nuclear Submarine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought this post was about a nuclear submarine. They also make hydrogen gas, as a byproduct of making oxygen to breathe. It also runs on renewable energy, well, energy that as renewable as the sun is.