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Giant Tesla Battery Project Now Proposed For Silicon Valley (digitaltrends.com)
Digital Trends reports:
Tesla's largest-ever Powerpack installation may be coming to Northern California. Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) applied to the California Public Utilities Commission for approval for a utility-owned 182.5 MW energy storage farm using Tesla Powerpacks at the company's energy storage site in Moss Landing... The Tesla project, however, would have an expansion capacity of 1.1 GW. The storage projects' purpose is to help keep electrical power levels even for PG&E customers. The storage facilities would feed power to the grid when consumption exceeds normal levels and during blackouts or other service interruptions.
Tesla's giant battery in Australia has already reduced grid service costs by 90%.
And speaking of power sources, long-time Slasdot reader judgecorp writes: A disused Stanley Black & Decker factory in New Britain, Hartford County.CT, will get a 20MW micro-grid powered by fuel cells, according to the first phase of a plan unveiled by the State Governor. It's a big deal because it will be the largest indoor micro-grid in the world, and will help provide a reliable power source for a data center in the old factory. Along with the other phases of the project, Governor Dannel Malloy hopes the deal will provide 3,000 jobs and lots of tax revenue.
Tesla's giant battery in Australia has already reduced grid service costs by 90%.
And speaking of power sources, long-time Slasdot reader judgecorp writes: A disused Stanley Black & Decker factory in New Britain, Hartford County.CT, will get a 20MW micro-grid powered by fuel cells, according to the first phase of a plan unveiled by the State Governor. It's a big deal because it will be the largest indoor micro-grid in the world, and will help provide a reliable power source for a data center in the old factory. Along with the other phases of the project, Governor Dannel Malloy hopes the deal will provide 3,000 jobs and lots of tax revenue.
Everything looks like a nail.
Tesla batteries are getting tired and suggested for places with 0 need these days
There's nothing in the article that mentions Tesla. From what I'm seeing, they're (Stanley) not using any Tesla tech.
I'm confused, are these the Panasonic batteries Tesla uses, or are these produced by and is the IP owned by, Tesla? I'm trying to figure out which company owns what...
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The SECOND article about the fuel cells for Stanley Black and Decker has NOTHING to do with Tesla. It's uses fuel cells and NO Tesla tech.
Silicon Valley is a narrow stretch of the Santa Clara Valley, from Palo Alto to San Jose, where semiconductor companies were located during the 1980s. Moss Landing is a coastal area in Monterey County, which isn't even in the SF Bay Area.
One would have expected "news for nerds" to know the difference between effect and energy, between W (Watt) and Wh (Watt-hour), and editors with enough knowledge to correct obviously faulty submissions.
Editors, you don't earn your paycheck.
The Slashdot summary did not in any way suggest that Tesla was involved.
Seriously?
There's the headline with 'Tesla' featured predominately with two articles about Tesla installations and you're saying that the summary did not in any way suggest that Tesla was involved in the third one?
Seriously?!
When it comes to energy storage the usual number to quote is how much energy it stores. The rate you can drain energy from it, while not irrelevant, doesn't tell you much because it provides no idea of how long it can provide that power for: a few seconds to cope with surges, an hour or two while they start up a power station or 12+ hours to smooth out e.g. solar power.
Since the article appears to confuse MW with MWh at one point I suspect that this is yet another example of journalists not understanding the difference between power and energy.
Moss Landing is on the coast, between Monterey and Santa Cruz. It is not silicon valley.
"You want to know how to help your kids? Leave them the fuck alone." -George Carlin
I believe that Elon is actually dying. He's looking for businesses that make money for him. There are bad news for him.
The term stable as applied to the grid is a joke.
That is why 3DFS is making a killing and changing everything that we know.
With their tech, they are stablizing the grid which cuts the electricity use in half AND actually improves the lifespan of electronics/electrical devices.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Does anyone know if Tesla solar panels, Tesla batteries, or the micro-grid of fuel cells would withstand an EMP?
The Australia battery plant does not reduce grid costs 90%. It reduces the cost of frequency correction, which is a tiny percentage of the total grid cost. We should also be aware that this is only a power storage system, it does not produce any electricity on its own. The point here is that if there is an excess of solar, wind, hydroelectric, or fossil-fuel generated power at one point, this can be stored and released at another point in time. This release happens almost instantly, where with a more conventional "peaker" power plant, run on fossil fuels, takes much longer to get started before it can contribute power to the network.
Unfortunately there are economic problems with energy storage. Because the battery can respond to demand so quickly, it performs service that the fossil fuel plants were formerly doing. So, the fossil fuel plants sit idle a lot of the time, but we still need them because a battery can't provide all of the power we need during high demand. So, what the fossil fuel peaker plants are now going to do is a bit of a mystery. Go out of business? We'll have a lot more blackouts. Charge more for energy? They're going to have to. And regulators are going to have to allow that.
Bruce Perens.
Except the battery is right next to a huge wind farm, placed there specifically to use excess output, so the combination does generate power.
Congratulations on understanding exactly nothing that is going on. Johnny, tell him what's he won!
People are going to go wind, solar and hydro whether you like it or not. Dinosaurs like you with your dinosaur fuels will just have to put up with the teething pains. Unless you think the old way of burning more and more coal is sustainable...
Idiot. Hydro was maxed out before you were born. The last and likely last of the major hydro projects was 3 gorges damn.
Congratulations on understanding exactly nothing that is going on. Johnny, tell him what's he won!
Congratulations on having your electric rates raised, while California can no longer supply you with water
Solar, wind, and batteries aren't technical issues, I am thoroughly convinced the people that react so badly to anything that points out flaws are operating under religious belief and couldn't calculate RMS power if you handed them the formulas and told them the values of the variables.
If you go back a few years here, you will find the usual idiots saying that batteries won't be needed because you will just be transmitting power from areas where it's sunny.
Now that that boats sailed they are shilling like there's no tomorrow for the battery makers.
Makes the argument that eugenics really was a good idea.
hahahahaha
During the 1980s, the idea of a dam reemerged. The National People's Congress approved the dam in 1992: out of 2,633 delegates, 1,767 voted in favour, 177 voted against, 664 abstained, and 25 members did not vote.[24] Construction started on December 14, 1994.[25] The dam was expected to be fully operational in 2009, but additional projects, such as the underground power plant with six additional generators, delayed full operation until May 2012
It doesn't even have the world record anymore.
The Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity (22,500 MW). In 2014, the dam generated 98.8 terawatt-hours (TWh) and had the world record, but was surpassed by the Itaipú Dam, which set the new world record in 2016, producing 103.1 TWh.
Seems hydro maxed out in 2016. I guess there is also no more water for hydro left anywhere...
Though gas power plants were taken offline, nuclear and coal plants can’t be quickly shut down, so they went on running and had to pay to sell power into the grid for several hours, while industrial customers such as refineries and foundries earned money by consuming electricity.
Or just shut them down and clean up the environment.
The only 6 year old here would be you.
During the 1980s, the idea of a dam reemerged. The National People's Congress approved the dam in 1992: out of 2,633 delegates, 1,767 voted in favour, 177 voted against, 664 abstained, and 25 members did not vote.[24] Construction started on December 14, 1994.[25] The dam was expected to be fully operational in 2009, but additional projects, such as the underground power plant with six additional generators, delayed full operation until May 2012
It doesn't even have the world record anymore.
The Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity (22,500 MW). In 2014, the dam generated 98.8 terawatt-hours (TWh) and had the world record, but was surpassed by the Itaipú Dam, which set the new world record in 2016, producing 103.1 TWh.
Seems hydro maxed out in 2016. I guess there is also no more water for hydro left anywhere...
Yeah because accounting for a flat 24% of the worlds generating capacity with a long term growth rate of less 1/2% of base annually isn't maxed out.
Hey are you going to bite the bullet and pedal to operate your computer, read books by candle light or do you just figure you will be privileged enough to make other people live that way ?
Burning more and more coal allows productive work to be done 24/7 at a set power cost.
Thats jobs, exports and more new jobs all over the USA.
Having to pay more for power when the wind stops and the sun is not out (night time) is not going to provide the 24/7 power cost needed to grow jobs.
Low cost energy all over the USA 24/7 is what makes the USA productive and able to export at a lower cost.
A production line that has to stop every 12 hours as the sun goes down and power prices become unpredictable is a cost that the product price will have to recover.
Low cost power 24/7 allows production costs to be set and a production line to run. Thats more jobs, more exports, more innovation. Low cost power for workers dwellings too.
Win, win, win.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Yet, when all is said and done the electricity is still more expensive than before renewables.
These large scale grid storage solutions are arbitrary opportunities created by subsidized renewables.
Meant arbitrage.
Since a car battery has to lug its own weight around, they're optimized aggressively for energy-to-weight ratio, at some expense in lifetime.
A stationary battery can be built a bit more robustly, e.g. thicker eletrolytes, and Tesla does that.
http://fortune.com/2015/05/18/... describes some other differences, in the chemistry of the cathode.
What set power cost? Do you think the production line will have its own dedicated coal plant, not connected to the grid? That hardly seems efficient. It won't solve the problem of variable power demand from everything/everyone else anyway, just increase the minimum.
You're looking at it backwards anyway. Does having cheaper power when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining make the coal more or less expensive? When the sun is shining or the wind is blowing power will be cheaper, when it's not it wont make the coal any better. Gas, hydro and batteries will all be much more use than coal for dealing with solar and wind variability. Coal is on its last legs.
When wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining a productive exporting nation still needs low cost power for production.
That power will be priced to reflect a profit given a lot of demand and low supply.
When sun is shining and wind power is working again then prices will go lower for hours in the day.
The low cost of power cost needs to be 24/7. Not just a price reduction when the wind is blowing and the hours when the sun is shining.
Pumped hydro is good but not every part of a nation has that set up. Not every dam had that design.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
it does not produce any electricity on its own.
But maybe you can take it to a Supercharger and charge it for free?
Your main advantage is at night when less power is used anyway. You still have to build extra capacity for the daytime, but you don't want to use cheap wind or solar to do it? Do you want to build extra coal for daytime use too, and then run it idle and waste that power every night?