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What if People Were Paid For Their Data? (economist.com)

Advocates of "data as labour" think users should be paid for using online services. An anonymous reader shares a report: Labour, like data, is a resource that is hard to pin down. Workers were not properly compensated for labour for most of human history. Even once people were free to sell their labour, it took decades for wages to reach liveable levels on average. History won't repeat itself, but chances are that it will rhyme, Glen Weyl, an economist at Yale University, predicts in "Radical Markets," a provocative new book he has co-written with Eric Posner of the University of Chicago. He argues that in the age of artificial intelligence, it makes sense to treat data as a form of labour. To understand why, it helps to keep in mind that "artificial intelligence" is something of a misnomer. Messrs Weyl and Posner call it "collective intelligence": most AI algorithms need to be trained using reams of human-generated examples, in a process called machine learning. Unless they know what the right answers (provided by humans) are meant to be, algorithms cannot translate languages, understand speech or recognise objects in images. Data provided by humans can thus be seen as a form of labour which powers AI.

As the data economy grows up, such data work will take many forms. Much of it will be passive, as people engage in all kinds of activities -- liking social-media posts, listening to music, recommending restaurants -- that generate the data needed to power new services. But some people's data work will be more active, as they make decisions (such as labelling images or steering a car through a busy city) that can be used as the basis for training AI systems. Yet whether such data are generated actively or passively, few people will have the time or inclination to keep track of all the information they generate, or estimate its value. Even those who do will lack the bargaining power to get a good deal from AI firms. But the history of labour offers a hint about how things could evolve: because historically, if wages rose to acceptable levels, it was mostly due to unions. Similarly, Mr Weyl expects to see the rise of what he calls "data-labour unions," organisations that serve as gatekeepers of people's data. Like their predecessors, they will negotiate rates, monitor members' data work and ensure the quality of their digital output, for instance by keeping reputation scores. Unions could funnel specialist data work to their members and even organise strikes, for instance by blocking access to exert influence on a company employing its members' data. Similarly, data unions could be conduits channelling members' data contributions, all while tracking them and billing AI firms that benefit from them.

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  1. people would just pay the full cost of services by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If no one can sell any of your data then companies will just raise their prices to cover the full costs of their products and services. Like no more free Strava on the iphone or apple watch. If you want a run/biking tracker you'll have to pay per device. Just like the old days.

    1. Re:people would just pay the full cost of services by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That wouldn't change anything. Stuff is priced as what it will sell at, so having all your data sold would be considered part of the price to use a device... or hidden under a EULA.

      Tired of subscriptions and data being sucked off? Stop buying stuff that does that.

    2. Re:people would just pay the full cost of services by jumbomojo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, I don't think the only or necessary consequence of people owning their data is that no one else can use it or make something of value out of it.

      Think of it as a raw material that individuals own as they can mineral rights. I can imagine circumstances in which individuals may want to sell (or lease) their data to companies that might sort, aggregate, analyze, qualify or otherwise manipulate it to create some salable information. Just because companies get it "for nothing" now, doesn't mean it has to be that way for companies to make a profit.

      Second, if companies want to charge for products or services that are now "free", fine. Let them. Then consumers can decide what such goods and services are really worth to them. They might discover that a lot of them are only worth the price when the price is zero.

    3. Re:people would just pay the full cost of services by Known+Nutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you don't see a meaningful gap between "go off the grid" and "Free Apps! Apppsss! I need all the Apps!" then might I suggest that your re-evaluation was ineffective.

      --
      Beware of the Leopard.
    4. Re:people would just pay the full cost of services by AlanBDee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I'm saying is most apps out there use Facebook's or Google's infrastructure for account management. They don't have their own account management infrastructure, so you're screwed anyway.
      No Facebook account? Sorry, you can't save your progress in this game. Sorry, you can't aggregate your data in this app. Sorry, you can't use that app at all.

      I have yet to play a game the only allowed a facebook account. If I came across then I wouldn't play that game. But this might be due to the fact that I don't play any free games unless they're open source.

      What remains after you've eliminated is generally useless.

      I seem to have no problem finding games to spend money on. You're looking in the wrong places. I suggest GOG.com or Humble Bundle. The key is to look for the games that cost money up front.

      Also, try using a smartphone without being logged in to either Apple's or Google's account.

      I've done it. You have to side load any apps but it's nearly as horrible as you might think. It does take a bit of tinkering and some technical know how that is above the average user. Still, you could also just create an empty google account and only tie you phone to it. Yes, you technically have a Google account but there's nothing of real value in it.

  2. It would be nice by brucekeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But it's already in place. Many of these services are free just because of the fact they can sell your data.

  3. Re: people would just pay the full cost of service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I fail to see the problem.

    This just let's us get back to actually owning the products we paid for one way or the other.

    Bonus points if it gets us back to "still works offline."

  4. Re:You are paid for your data. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can fuck off about the free bullshit.

    It's you property and it has a lot of value which you are not being compensated for, pure and simple. If they want your data bad enough they should be prepared to pay for it.

  5. Er..."data unions"? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1, Insightful

    >> data unions and strikes

    Yes, before my money makes it to me, I'd want someone ELSE siphoning off a cut and then aggregating the cash to be steered toward their interests. Maybe even cutting off the Internet from me for a while to make this or that point.

    >> if wages rose to acceptable levels, it was mostly due to unions

    I'll be sure to bake my Software Architects Guild Local 1043 another batch of cookies to thank them this year. Thanks for the reminder!

  6. My data is for rent, not for sale. by cyn1c77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't buy my data, but you can rent it via a subscription model.