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Uber Adds Electric Scooters To Its App (cnet.com)

Uber is planning to partner with the bike-sharing company Lime to start renting scooters through its app. The announcement was made in Lime's new $335 million funding round. CNET reports: Uber didn't disclose how much it's investing in Lime, but Lime said it's "sizable." With Uber and Lime as strategic partners, the scooters will be co-branded and available in the Uber app. Uber launched a similar partnership with Jump bicycles in January and eventually acquired the dockless bike rental in April.

Scooters have become a controversial topic as they take over more and more cities across the U.S. As regulators hurry to write laws around the new form of transportation, lots of people say they love being able to scoot block-to-block around congested cities. Other residents complain that riders don't follow the laws of the road and endanger pedestrians by riding on sidewalks and leaving the scooters wherever they feel like it -- blocking parking spots, bike racks and wheelchair accesses.
Here's what Uber's head of new modalities, Rachel Holt, had to say about the partnership: "Our investment and partnership in Lime is another step towards our vision of becoming a one stop shop for all your transportation needs. Lime already has an expansive footprint, and we're excited to incorporate their scooters into the Uber app so consumers have another fast, affordable option to get around their city, especially to and from public transit."

33 comments

  1. how are scooters even a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in most jurisdictions, any motorized vehicle, even low horsepower mopeds, require a drivers license, often a helmet for riders, and can only be operated on streets following the same rules of the road as automobiles. no bike paths, no bus lanes, no sidewalks, and definitely, no parking on sidewalks, either.

    enforce the fucking laws, or pass similar legislation, and those damn things will be G.O.N.E.

    1. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's all you need to do, wave the magic wand of "enforcing the law" and nobody has to do anything because that's a solution to everything.

      The fact is, you're just ignoring the burden of resources that goes into the process, including simply asserting the law.

    2. Re:how are scooters even a problem? by hey! · · Score: 1

      I think the difficulty is dealing with deep vc-funded pockets that can afford to change the status quo fast.

      The traditional business approach would be to check with the city authorities and get permission to do something like this, but tech startups have developed essentially a sociopathic ethos: they don't worry about problems they create for other people, and they certainly don't ask permission. They just roll in one night with trucks full of junk and dump it all over the place. By the time you realize they exist, the problem exists.

      The game is to get too big to stop too fast to react to. And they can do this because they've got backers with a big bucks and boners for disruption. They can buy on a scale where people will tire of chucking scooters into the trash faster than they'll run out of scooters.

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    3. Re:how are scooters even a problem? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? These are electric scooters. They don't require any of those things. You must be thinking of Vespa type things.

    4. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where the law falls on motorized scooters, I would actually assume they fall into the bicycle category.

      But enforcing laws like this (stay off the sidewalk, etc.) would be a money maker and quickly kill the service. Tickets would rapidly drive up the cost of using them, and more than pay for the enforcement if the problem is truly as bad as the headlines.

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    5. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Alternative possibility: word gets round and people start following the rules. Eventually.

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    6. Re:how are scooters even a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my experience in several major metro areas in the USA, "motorized" scooter is classified as a Motorcycle, unless otherwise explicitly categorized by law as something else.

      In even the most liberal of categorizations (i.e. places that provide a large number of different categories, rather than just "bicycle" and "motorcycle"), as soon as you hit the capability to do 15mph from an engine, you're not going to be treated as a bicycle or similar, and you're gonna be pretty much lumped in with motorcycles. As soon as you hit the ability to do 25mph, then you're ABSOLUTELY gonna get treated as a motorcycle.

      Every single suburban & urban neighborhood I've lived in over the past 20 years, or visited for more than a couple of days, has had laws against riding ANY form of motor-powered item on sidewalks at a speed above 5mph. That includes stuff like Segways.

    7. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by gnick · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where the law falls on motorized scooters, I would actually assume they fall into the bicycle category.

      Here's what CA haws to say.

      A motorized scooter is a two-wheeled device that has handlebars, a floorboard designed to be stood upon when riding, and is powered by a motor.
      Motorized scooter does NOT have to be registered. A motorized scooter may be driven with any class driver license.

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    8. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      In kansas a motorized scooter is less 130cc or 3.5 brake horsepower, has an automatic transmission, 3 or less wheels, with a top speed of 30mph, and requires a valid driver license of any type but must be registered and insured. Any one under 18 is required to wear a helmet and everyone is required to wear eye protection and must follow the same rules as a car or motor cycle on the road with the exception it can't be driven on the highway. These are popular for teens because you can drive it at 15 but can't drive a car unrestricted until your 17.

    9. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice set of assumptions there.

    10. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by gnick · · Score: 1

      In kansas a motorized scooter is less 130cc or 3.5 brake horsepower...

      It sounds like you're talking about the Kansas definition for a moped or motorized bicycle. A motorized scooter has the additional requirement of being under 5 horsepower, but the laws don't change so the point is moot.

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    11. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I would actually assume they fall into the bicycle category.

      Why? A vehicle that you have to pedal with your limbs to make it move should fall into the bicycle category. What other point would the bicycle category have?

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    12. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Needless to say they are already popular enough that we call them bumble bees because they swarm together and buzz down the street when school starts and finish for the day.

    13. Re: how are scooters even a problem? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      The motor scooters I've seen move with similar decterity and speed to a bicycle, and have similar mass.

      It follows to me that they should have similar privileges and restrictions to their movement, and not be purely comingled with cars.

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  2. I can't wait to read about the first uber driver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    beaten to death with one of those damn scooters to fight the un-background-checked rapist off

  3. Sharing Disaster by labnet · · Score: 2

    The share bike thing has been a disaster in Australia. Mostly because we are not very mature, so bikes have ended up in rivers, blocking footpaths, damaged and being such a nuisance is that councils are fining bike share companies $2500 per bike found littering public land.
    It might work better in asia where there is more social responsibility, but not in OZ and probably not in the USA either.

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    1. Re:Sharing Disaster by Whatsisname · · Score: 1

      It doesn't help that Australia is one of the most cyclist-hostile nations, and has done just about everything it can to ensure a bike-sharing system would fail.

    2. Re:Sharing Disaster by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Same thing everywhere.

      People are too dishonest to share fairly.

      It's always going to be the case, as it's human nature.
      Look at the 1% of the world who own 99% of the wealth.

      Until we can do something about that, nothing in life will ever be fair.

      Accepting that is the road to happiness, and you have to walk it, not borrow someone else's bike.

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    3. Re:Sharing Disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works great in NYC, called Citi Bike. You take and return bikes to special docking stations so they do not end up blocking streets and sidewalks (more than designed). I use it much more frequently than the subway. Scooter will be nice to have for hot days but I would usually prefer a bike.

    4. Re:Sharing Disaster by labnet · · Score: 1

      OP Here.
      Yes, we have those in Brisbane and rarely see them used. Our climate is hot in summer, helmets are mandatory we have lots of hills and the bikes look like something your grandmother would only ride.
      It takes a lot of infrastructure to implement and limits you to specific geographic points cf. share bikes which have no 'home' and get dumped, stolen and busted.

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    5. Re:Sharing Disaster by trawg · · Score: 2

      Yes, we have those in Brisbane and rarely see them used. Our climate is hot in summer, helmets are mandatory we have lots of hills and the bikes look like something your grandmother would only ride.
      It takes a lot of infrastructure to implement and limits you to specific geographic points cf. share bikes which have no 'home' and get dumped, stolen and busted.

      Also in Brisbane - just moved back here after 4 years overseas. Signed up for CityCycle for the first time and am using it several times a week.

      I am not worried by the mandatory helmets - I carry one with me when I expect to use them, but in 3 months or so I am yet to run into a situation where there aren't the freebie helmets available.

      Agree with your other issues though. I am definitely not looking forward to doing it in summer. It's almost too hot to ride them now in the middle of winter! The only thing that makes it feasible is I live near the river & everywhere I go on it is flat. But the bikes are sooo heavy that even going up small hills means sweat.

      The big difference between CityCycle and the other schemes I think though is the fixed bases. I don't really like the idea of bikes (and/or scooters) just laying around everywhere; I think it's actually a little more convenient to have fixed bases (though of course I can say that because there are two within 2mins walk of my place).

      All that said, I'm loving CityCycle. $5/mo means I have saved a ton on buses and trains (both of which are also readily available for me). But I'll see how much I use it in the summer :)

    6. Re:Sharing Disaster by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The share bike thing has been a disaster in Australia. Mostly because we are not very mature, so bikes have ended up in rivers, blocking footpaths, damaged and being such a nuisance is that councils are fining bike share companies $2500 per bike found littering public land.

      Since this is Uber, every user will be closely tracked. It will be known precisely who abandoned a vehicle if they do so, and it's simple enough to simply fine the user for parking illegally.

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  4. what about an damage waiver? uber can rent a car by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    what about an damage waiver? uber can be like the rent a car places and bill 3-4 people for the same damage.

  5. Lawless uber by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Uber seems to think itself above the law. It's one thing to say "hey that law is bullshit". It might be. But it's not the right of a large corporation to subvert local laws just because they seem to get away from it.

    Uber should sell pot from it's vehicles and set up a prostitute order service. What would be the difference? All blue laws are bullshit laws unless of course you like them.

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    1. Re:Lawless uber by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be against the law here to rent a moped or a car to a licensed and insured driver. It would be against the law for them to speed, run stop lights, ride on the sidewalk, and park on the sidewalk, and the driver would be liable whether it's a car or moped.

      Uber does tend to set people up to break the law but moped rentals isn't illegal though I'm sure that not everyone knows the laws regarding a moped and they aren't verifying that the people who rent are aware and follow the laws.

  6. Very cool by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    I always wanted to try Lime, but I am afraid of giving yet another app my credit card details. Uber is great though.

    1. Re:Very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron though.

  7. Nuiscance laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    THe issue here is not so much whether uber is committing a criminal act-- perhaps the scooter rider is the one violating the law by not wearing a helmet and abandoning the scooter in a place not zoned for it. But uber is the one creating a public nuisance and profiting from it. It's the same reason we don't like abandoned buildings-- they collect squatters. Uber is a racket.

  8. To be fair they had great tech by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    for evading the cops long enough to survive and get massive investment capital needed to buy off all the politicians. The other gig economy start ups got shot down. It was a bit surprising when several of them lost their lawsuits and Uber won theirs.

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  9. As if people need another reason to hate Uber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scooters are like tribbles. One or two are cute but more than that and they morph into urban kudzu

    And yes. I am fine with using mixed metaphors

  10. Re:what about an damage waiver? uber can rent a ca by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    I had an incident like that I told the insurance company to fight them and not to give them a dime. They said it would be cheaper just to pay it and they did.

  11. The scooters are great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a few cities excepted public transit in the US is pretty terrible. There are very few subways and there usually isn't enough parking for everyone to take their own car. Buses are too slow, there aren't enough of them, and they're gross. Electric scooters help alleviate the problem because for small trips around crowded areas (i.e. areas with no parking) you can park a mile or two out and take a scooter. It's an innovative solution to a big problem which is expensive and difficult to solve.

    To those who complain about them being a 'nuisance' or otherwise - how is it any different than everyone taking a bike? Perhaps there need to be more bike racks and any sort of enforcement of the little laws. It's typically illegal to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk but everyone does it anyway because driving one in traffic is a death sentence. I hope these companies push society to evolve for the better by increasing accomodations for travel besides cars and buses. Not to mention it would be better for the earth.

  12. Re: I can't wait to read about the first uber driv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So driver beat themselves to death? Are you seriously that retarded?