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The FCC Is Changing Up the Country's Emergency Alert System (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: The FCC announced today that it'll bolster the country's Emergency Alert System to prevent unexpected false alarms, like the one that happened in Hawaii earlier this year. State and local officials will now be able to conduct "live code" tests that'll use the same alert codes and processes that would be required in an actual emergency. The idea is that officials will better learn the system while the public will get used to responding to alerts and know what to expect. Everyone in the area will get a test message, like a real alert. The agency also says that public service announcements about the Emergency Alert System will now be able to use the same alert sounds as an actual emergency. (The alerts will include a disclaimer about what's happening, and officials will have to actually tell people beforehand.) Finally, anyone who uses the emergency system will be required to tell the FCC if it accidentally triggers a false alert.

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  1. re EAS by freddieb · · Score: 1

    Sounds confusing to me. Hope it makes sense.

    1. Re:re EAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does this mean we can expect more "Zombie Outbreak" notices? Putting the system in the hands of local governement? I look at the backwoods farmers that run my local governement and immediately think: "What could go wrong?"

  2. Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will just train us to ignore the real alerts

    1. Re:Desensitized by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      No shit, everyone will turn off the EAS messages on their cellphones. I already did that since Verizon apparently can't figure out how to limit EAS messages to a few county range and instead floods every severe weather alert to an area about half the size of most states which means my phone wants to wake me up for a severe thunderstorm over 150 miles away.

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    2. Re:Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have our systems tested once a month. The alert sound is interrupted in the middle of the phase, followed by announcement of the test. I think it doesn't really confuse people much, although the start of the alert sound always tenses up the stomach, as if waiting for the alert phase to complete this time.

    3. Re:Desensitized by JohnVanVliet · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the first Tuesday of the month at 1pm the sirens go off

      this IS expected so why not do the same at the same time with the sms system

       

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    4. Re:Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine by me... less people crowding the highway in the event that an evacuation has to happen.

    5. Re:Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed! This is the stupidest idea to come out of Washington in several days! And that's saying something.

    6. Re:Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the first Tuesday of the month at 1pm the sirens go off this IS expected so why not do the same at the same time with the sms system

      wHY iS iT eXPECTED? mINE gOES oF oN wEDNESDAY.

    7. Re:Desensitized by misnohmer · · Score: 1
      Exactly, but it seems they already know that. From the summary:

      ...the public will get used to responding to alerts and know what to expect.

      So, phone goes off, public learns how to shut off the annoyance asap. The first time they may actually read the message in an effort to try to figure out how to make it stop. By the 5th time, muting it or tuning it off will become instinct. Most people will not bother reading a message to find out whether it was a test or not, since every other time it was always a test.

    8. Re:Desensitized by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      What has desensitized me is giving me a stupid alert that it is raining. It's North Carolina. It is an early summer storm. It's going to rain buckets (for a few minutes, in a small geographic area). Somebody is going to get flooded. I don't need every phone in the office to tell me that it is raining outside. And if I was in danger from anything to do with the flood, I'd be outside, and be fully aware that it was raining like a MF.

      Basically, the "early alert system" is useless from inception.

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    9. Re:Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perfect time to commit the crime.

    10. Re: Desensitized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only weather related WEA alerts on your Verizon phone are tornado alerts, and flash flooding alerts.

  3. According to Donald Trump's tweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He'll just make sure we have so many real emergencies that there will be no need for tests.

  4. Disclaimers by RadioD00d · · Score: 2

    "Had this been a real alert, you would all be dead by now" "Had this been a real alert, the sound you just heard would be followed by screaming, wailing, and the sounds of vehicles rapidly leaving the area" "Had this been a real alert, do you really think we'd warn YOU?"

    1. Re:Disclaimers by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      "Had this been a real alert, you would all be dead by now"

      "Had this been a real alert, the sound you just heard would be followed by screaming, wailing, and the sounds of vehicles rapidly leaving the area"

      "Had this been a real alert, do you really think we'd warn YOU?"

      Nah, you'll probably live for several weeks after getting radiation poisoning.

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    2. Re:Disclaimers by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      "Had this been a real alert, you would all be dead by now"

      "Had this been a real alert, the sound you just heard would be followed by screaming, wailing, and the sounds of vehicles rapidly leaving the area"

      "Had this been a real alert, do you really think we'd warn YOU?"

      Nah, you'll probably live for several weeks after getting radiation poisoning.

      Just long enough to eat the tasty brains of the people who failed to warn them about the zombie apocalypse. BRAAAAAAINS.

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  5. Going by recent decisions... by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Funny

    Additionally, each test of the alert system will be able to have corporate sponsorship. Citizens will feel safer knowing that a major corporation has a vested interest in their survival. Fewer words will be more comforting than "This test of the Emergency Alert System has been brought to you by the Coca-Cola Bottling Company--have a Coke and a smile!"

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    1. Re: Going by recent decisions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is also an ad-free, subscription based program for the low, low, price of 49.99/month.

    2. Re:Going by recent decisions... by misnohmer · · Score: 1

      Ha, I think the moderators think you were kidding. I can totally see it coming soon, the only question is whether FCC gets a cut of the revenue, or do the cell companies get to keep all the ad profits. I also foresee a new "Emergency Alert System fee" coming soon to your cell phone bill, similar to "911 fee".

    3. Re: Going by recent decisions... by misnohmer · · Score: 1

      ... with a premium up-sell to "real alerts only". Wait, I think there will be an app for that.

  6. conditioning by MagicM · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Live tests" will be performed every week in order to keep the populace continuously scared while simultaneously conditioning them to feel like it's "just another alert" when a real disaster happens.

    A death spiral of disasters and acceptance, until the world ends and everyone just shrugs and says "it's fine".

    1. Re:conditioning by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Live tests" will be performed every week in order to keep the populace continuously scared while simultaneously conditioning them to feel like it's "just another alert" when a real disaster happens.

      Yeah, that's what I thought when I read this too. To prevent false alarms from testing, they're going to do a lot more testing which is designed to look like a real alarm?

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    2. Re:conditioning by junk_ball · · Score: 1

      As the system sits right now, we do live a test weekly. We also are required to do a monthly. I'm not sure I see a difference.

    3. Re:conditioning by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "to do a lot more testing which is designed to look like a real alarm?'
      Parts of the world have testing done often. eg city tornado sirens.

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    4. Re:conditioning by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I thought when I read this too. To prevent false alarms from testing, they're going to do a lot more testing which is designed to look like a real alarm?

      No, it is designed to look like a real alarm to the participants. You'll be hitting the same button that you would hit to send a "chemical warfare storage depot is leaking" message, but the actual message transmitted will be a test message, just with the same alert sound as a real alert (WHY?).

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    5. Re:conditioning by lgw · · Score: 1

      They do tests of the EAS on radio this way all the time. Works fine and few people are confused. Sounds like a reasonable model.

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  7. insight into the new tests by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most are familiar with warnings, watches, and amber alerts but little has been done to explain newly overhauled codes for programmers dealing with EAS beacons. The following can be expected to show up in data streams soon.

    Amberish alert: a little girl hasnt been abducted but a local law enforcement agency also needs to justify their next years budget. this code is issued for 5 hours, broadcast on news outlets, and then the girls actual location with a family member is revealed.
    The amber alert, Sponsored by AT&T: a major telco carrier has intentionally kidnapped a preteen and, if you find her, you receive a coupon for a free large soda with any papa johns pizza order of a large pizza.
    Amber alert pro 2005 millennial edition: this is an alert sent from stations running an old copy of windows. no one knows how to turn it off.
    uncomfortable disaster alert: issued during slow-rolling man-made disasters for which no accountable agency or individual can be found. School shootings, the Flynt water crisis, honeybee extinction, and collapsing roads and infrastructure are defined as triggering this alert, however the content of the alert is simply an escapist series of movie previews and trailers for upcoming video games.
    presidential alert, the best: Get ready for this one because its yuge, really. Awaken at odd hours of the night to rambling screeds such as "jeb is a waste" and "the wall is the best, because america is the best, and, you wouldnt believe it but its gonna be great, trust me." Boggle as congress has legislatively redacted any ability to disable this alert.

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    1. Re:insight into the new tests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4/5 breddy gud :DD

    2. Re:insight into the new tests by omnichad · · Score: 2

      The worst part is that the presidential alert is real and can't be disabled (except on a rooted phone).

    3. Re:insight into the new tests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would unironically love it if Trump used presidential alerts to talk shit about Jeb Bush at 1 am.

  8. They need to do periodic tests. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    They don't do ANY tests now. It will be good for people to know what an emergency alert looks and sounds like so that they realize when one is coming in.

    The tests should be infrequent, though; at most twice a year, and at a well-known time when people are unlikely to be asleep.

    1. Re:They need to do periodic tests. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Test should use a less annoying tone that doesn't scare the hell out of people when driving. So should less-important stuff like weather and Amber alerts. I wonder how many people have been startled into an accident by another Amber or severe weather alert.

    2. Re:They need to do periodic tests. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't watch TV at one in the morning! There are weekly tests.

    3. Re:They need to do periodic tests. by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      Test should use a less annoying tone that doesn't scare the hell out of people when driving. So should less-important stuff like weather and Amber alerts. I wonder how many people have been startled into an accident by another Amber or severe weather alert.

      The "annoying tone" is actually a data stream that triggers automated equipment. Changing the tone would not trigger (and not test) this equipment. Originally the trigger tone was just two different frequencies mixed together and it turned automated equipment on. Many years ago the trigger tone was updated to be a data stream (think old dial up) that could selectively trigger equipment. I don't know the details, but I assume the data stream contains geographic information as to what physical locations should "trigger" and receive the alert.

    4. Re:They need to do periodic tests. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      I'm aware of what it is. But the cell phones can receive that info "silently" (out-of-band) and display it on screen. Why do they need to replay the carrier tone? Is it so other sound-activated devices around them can be triggered?

    5. Re:They need to do periodic tests. by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Why? What good is the "emergency alert"? WTF are you going to do in the case of a flood alert from a passing thunderstorm? Run out into the rain? Every "Amber" alert I've ever heard has been a child "taken" by its father. Considering the way men are treated by the courts, WTF would I want to get caught up in someone else's domestic arguments? The whole system is a stupid waste.

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  9. I turn most alerts off... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    If a kid gets lost at 3 am 25 miles from me, I'm unlikely to be able to find them. If a storm is coming, not like I can do much about it.

    I apparently can't turn off "Presidential alerts," but my phone is in airplane mode (not receiving data) when I'm asleep. If an ICBM is coming to my home, please don't wake me up -- I'd rather be vaporized in my sleep than have to deal with 15 minutes of panic, waiting wide awake to be blown to smithereens.

    1. Re:I turn most alerts off... by Gilgaron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well you'd at least have time to pour yourself a tall glass of gin or something

    2. Re:I turn most alerts off... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      Here in the UK the official procedure in the event of a 4 minute warning of nuclear attack is to have sex*, or cover your head in a brown paper bag, or possibly both.

      Or it was during the cold war. It may be different now - but if so, no one has bothered to tell us.

      * In Yorkshire, you can have a nice cup of tea instead.

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    3. Re:I turn most alerts off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure that is still the accepted practice: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/8...

    4. Re:I turn most alerts off... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I apparently can't turn off "Presidential alerts,"

      Before I upgraded to Oreo I was running a custom rom that let me turn them off. No such option even exists to be disabled in Oreo, though, AFAICT.

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    5. Re:I turn most alerts off... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      And go outside and enjoy the view and just this once don't try to get a selfie.

      I've never seen an ICBM in flight or detonating up close before.

      Good thing I still have my eclipse glasses.

  10. Can we PLEASE STOP THIS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > Everyone in the area will get a test message, like a real alert.

    No. Just.. just no. It's the kind of crap they do in asian countries and it's moronic. If you're emergency plan requires a fucking text message you're doing it wrong especially when you're relying on companies like ATT who can't even keep 911 up.

    We're already programmed to respond to certain buzzer / alarm sounds (your alarm clock, a fire bell, etc). I grew up in an area that had airraid sirens, they worked just fine. The Government of course pulled the funding for them. This is more about mandating phones be usable by the Government to broadcast whatever the hell they want. I don't care about Amber alerts either.

    Thank you

    1. Re:Can we PLEASE STOP THIS? by k6mfw · · Score: 2

      If you're emergency plan requires a text message you're doing it wrong especially when you're relying on companies like ATT who can't even keep 911 up.

      Text messages can work, most people use this on their phones as audio quality is superbad. Problem is getting alerts from places far far away or child kidnapping from a different part of city (not applicable to anyone except family members that are in custody dispute). Like just about all others, I disabled alerts on my phone because annoying loud sounds that when alerts happen, it is always at 2 am (and for an incident beyond my influence).

      I grew up in an area that had airraid sirens, they worked just fine. The Government of course pulled the funding for them.

      But these days would anyone understand them? But then large area sirens don't require someone to purchase a phone and subscriber service. OTA TV and radio can be quite useful to get the word out but do people watch or listen to those anymore? And if they do, will these stations go into emergency mode if needed. I was talking with someone that was caught in the Santa Rosa fire earlier this year. In middle of night she and her friend at motel happen to wake up smelling smoke. They opened the door to see entire surrounding area in flames, they immediately grabbed car keys and high tailed it or at least try to get out of the area. It was confusing because smoke and limited visibility but eventually found the freeway and start heading south out of the area. She said scanning the radio could not find any station reporting what was happening, eventually found a PBS station with live reports and updates.

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    2. Re:Can we PLEASE STOP THIS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're emergency plan requires a text message you're doing it wrong especially when you're relying on companies like ATT who can't even keep 911 up.

      Text messages can work, most people use this on their phones as audio quality is superbad. Problem is getting alerts from places far far away or child kidnapping from a different part of city (not applicable to anyone except family members that are in custody dispute).

      They only work so long as there is service and you have a working cellphone (ie, battery isn't dead). Having been through the blackout that hit much of Ontario and the Northeast in 2003, this is a serious problem. A fine after the fact for a company failing to provide some mandated service, does not work. Phone companies are for example required to have something like 4 hours of backup power on their entire infrastructure.. Last power outage I had knocked out our voip phones. We had generator power but some router upstream wasn't on backup. It's also happened many times with fiber requiring providers to install local battries with their service but again there is nothing stopping something upstream from failing.

      Like just about all others, I disabled alerts on my phone because annoying loud sounds that when alerts happen, it is always at 2 am (and for an incident beyond my influence).

      At least in Canada it's my understanding these will soon become mandatory.

      from: https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alert-ready-comes-online-in-canada-on-friday-1.3872815

      There is no opt-out for Alert Ready, so if your phone is powered on and in an LTE network area, you will receive the message.

      “This will allow us to reach people who live here, who work here and people who are visiting. So if you’re from London, Ontario or London, England if you have an LTE phone, you will get the message.”

      I grew up in an area that had airraid sirens, they worked just fine. The Government of course pulled the funding for them.

      But these days would anyone understand them? But then large area sirens don't require someone to purchase a phone and subscriber service. OTA TV and radio can be quite useful to get the word out but do people watch or listen to those anymore?

      Ever heard one go off? You notice something isn't right. Regarding training, it was taught in School like any other disaster drill.

      And if they do, will these stations go into emergency mode if needed. I was talking with someone that was caught in the Santa Rosa fire earlier this year. In middle of night she and her friend at motel happen to wake up smelling smoke. They opened the door to see entire surrounding area in flames, they immediately grabbed car keys and high tailed it or at least try to get out of the area. It was confusing because smoke and limited visibility but eventually found the freeway and start heading south out of the area. She said scanning the radio could not find any station reporting what was happening, eventually found a PBS station with live reports and updates.

      Glad your friend made it out OK.. That is basically the scenerio I fear: We become desensitised to the point we're fighting technology because it's abused so damn much. At least some areas still have things like CANWARN and SKYWARN which are run by volunteers (Amateur Radio).

    3. Re:Can we PLEASE STOP THIS? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Glad your friend made it out OK.. That is basically the scenerio I fear: We become desensitised to the point we're fighting technology because it's abused so damn much. At least some areas still have things like CANWARN and SKYWARN which are run by volunteers (Amateur Radio).

      The reason most radio stations don't offer useful information in a disaster is that they are owned by megacorps and run by computers. Megacorps don't care about you even slightly. These are not really local radio stations, they are glorified repeaters.

      Amateur radio is cool, and necessary in an incident, but the masses won't receive it unless you mean pirate radio...

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    4. Re:Can we PLEASE STOP THIS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad your friend made it out OK.. That is basically the scenerio I fear: We become desensitised to the point we're fighting technology because it's abused so damn much. At least some areas still have things like CANWARN and SKYWARN which are run by volunteers (Amateur Radio).

      The reason most radio stations don't offer useful information in a disaster is that they are owned by megacorps and run by computers. Megacorps don't care about you even slightly. These are not really local radio stations, they are glorified repeaters.

      Though there certainly are national radio networks, the number is fairly small. There's only one in Canada that I'm aware of - CBC, it's a shell of what it used to be. BBC, etc ABC (Australlia) all come to mind too and are public on paper at least . Ironically you listen to private stations for local news since the majority of content is leftwing crap.

      Amateur radio is cool, and necessary in an incident, but the masses won't receive it unless you mean pirate radio...

      I meant Amateur (aka HAM). The masses don't need to, probably better anyway to not have mass hysteria only to be cancelled in error. Those nets don't come up easily. The people involved tend to have close ties within other organizations and are not in it for profit.

    5. Re:Can we PLEASE STOP THIS? by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > At least in Canada it's my understanding these will soon become mandatory.

      They already have. The first live alert was May 14th https://yro.slashdot.org/story... It covered the entire province of Ontario, which is mid-way in size between Alaska and Texas. The alert was about a custody dispute in Thunder Bay. Shift workers in Ottawa, a 16-hour drive away, got woken up 3 times in a couple of hours...

      1) The original alert
      2) Half an hour later, someone said "Oops, Canada is officially bilingual. Let's send out a French version."
      3) An hour or so later, the child was found safe. So an "all clear" was sent out. Fortunately, that message was short enough that both the English and French versions fit within the limit of the message.

      Differences from the American system:

      * The alert system works only on the LTE network.

      * The assholes at the CRTC (Canada's FCC-equivalant) mandated that *ALL* alerts go out at "Presidential Alert" level, so they cannot be turned off.

      * The klaxon sound is *DAMN* loud, and on some phones keeps on sounding until you manually dismiss it.

      I'm sure there was an uptick in demand for custom ROMs that allow "Presidential Alert" to be turned off. My cellphone auto-tunes "best network" of my carrier. But it does have the option to force it to 3G-only where the alert system does not work. I've selected that option.

      The blowback from the this event was bad enough that there haven't been any more alerts since then (approximately 2 months).

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  11. Next Phase by seven+of+five · · Score: 3, Funny

    In October, the FCC will introduce a mandatory advertising channel that you cannot turn off.

    In March 2019, they will add thirty minutes daily of poetry and songs celebrating beloved leader Donald J. Trump that you cannot turn off.

    Six months later they will commandeer the cameras and microphones in all mobile devices.

    1. Re:Next Phase by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      In 2023, the Two-Minutes hate will be lengthened to 90 seconds.

    2. Re:Next Phase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ajit Pai just got a hard on reading that.

    3. Re:Next Phase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In March 2019, they will add thirty minutes daily of poetry and songs celebrating beloved leader Donald J. Trump that you cannot turn off.

      Six months later they will commandeer the cameras and microphones in all mobile devices.

      And the motion sensors of the phones. For monitoring the citizen compliance of bowing the local golden Trump statue and sign the required song, as is the tradition and regulated.

    4. Re:Next Phase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Two-Minutes hate has always been 90 seconds

    5. Re: Next Phase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol... like they didnt actually commandeer mics and cameras YEARS ago. U r very funny, indeed, sirrah!

    6. Re: Next Phase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two minutes is already longer than 90 seconds. Just saying.

    7. Re:Next Phase by lgw · · Score: 2

      Have you seen CNN since 2016? It's the 24-hour hate now.

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    8. Re:Next Phase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen CNN since 2016? It's the 24-hour hate now.

      Pfft, copy cats. Fox News has been doing it since 2008.

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  13. Re:How do you change "up"? by bpharri2 · · Score: 1

    As an American I found that weird as well. I might say "change up" in local dialog but would never write it out. I would also say "slow down" and "speed up" but would be 50/50 on writing it out.

  14. Change up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's this new new meaning for "change up"? As far as I know, it's something to do with gearboxes.,,

    1. Re:Change up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also, colloquially, a phrase meaning an unexpected or confusing change in the operation of something. Though I'm not sure that necessarily applies here either.

    2. Re:Change up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its a baseball pitch.

  15. Re:How do you change "up"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed! Is it intended to mean "messing up", "mixing up", "screwing up" or "fucking up" the English language?

  16. I have a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rid of the system entirely.

    I'm not particularly interested in what the government wants me to get excited about anyway.

    It was only ever intended to let us know that we were about to die from Russian nuclear weapons, and that doesn't seem as likely now.

    Even if there were an imminent nuclear or terrorist attack, they'd either get it completely wrong somehow (this is the government we're talking about) or it won't really be able to help us.

    1. Re:I have a solution by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Some localities get real value from alerts, such as citywide tornado warnings. But those are local value only. There is no value at all in large scale alerting, as you say. What sort of alert would have any value at non-local scale? North Korean invasion? How would anyone's behavior change as a consequence of the alert? For instance, if there were wide scale evacuation due to flooding or weather, by the time they get around to saying 'use route 5 to get out of the area' route 5 will already be at a standstill.

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    2. Re:I have a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was only ever intended to let us know that we were about to die from Russian nuclear weapons, and that doesn't seem as likely now.

      Depending on how Trump's performance review goes in Helsinki.

  17. Locality for alerts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My phone knows where I am - Google maps even shows where my phone is located.
    Why the hell was I woken up at 2 am by a Amber alert in Fort Worth (my home town) when I was in Colorado?
    Why is anyone surprised when I turn off as may alerts as I can?

  18. Sigh, More Control less annoyance per alert FIRST by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The BS alerts of various sorts are already annoying, and i'm basically ignoring them already... Bl**** Hell;
    during the summer there is a Severe Thunderstorm every other day; I know that, you know that -- we can hear the thunder well in advance, and by looking at the cloud formations in the sky and the Radar app it is obvious what will be going down.... more alerts are not the answer

    Especially if you're going to test the system by generating alerts: first let me control HOW I receive alerts, and make them less intrusive --- If I hear part of an alert and don't want to listen to the rest, then I should be able to dismiss it.

    I am sick of having Television and Radio programs disrupted --- I'm on cable, and if I so choose: what my DVR is recording should NOT be fscked up, because someone sent an EAS test while I was away. Also.... My TiVO has a defective response to even the "test" emergency alerts... It winds up LOCKING the tuner on a specific channel, that's presumably supposed to receive the alert, but it never RELEASES the tuner back to my control. Also; What the hell.... If I know very well what the emergency is, I should be able to tune my preferred news channel that generally provides BETTER more-local more up-to-date information than any EAS junk does... with no "Eas LOCK" preventing me from changing the channel on my own frickin' TV.

    There should be thus: (1) No interruption of the transmission of programming; ENCODE the information and cause a "message" to be saved to the TV and/or DVR --- recordings should be unaffected;
    (2) Better User-Interface Design; Play the alert but provide a Popup window that allows Acknowledging/Dismissing the alert.

  19. Re:Sigh, More Control less annoyance per alert FIR by ari_j · · Score: 1

    What we actually need is an emergency broadcast system that respects urgency, priority, and relevance to its audience. We have the technical capability to target an ad to me here on Facebook that knows I was shopping for a Microsoft Surface earlier this week, but somehow this is how our emergency alert system actually works:

    Some grumpy old guy 200 miles away storms out of a family meal to walk to the bar. They call the police. Then they find the guy at the same bar he always goes to when he is mad at them. Then the police issue a Silver Alert to cover the entire state, just in case an elderly jerk is healthy enough to walk 200 miles across open prairie but somehow will be in a health crisis when he gets to my town. My phone and all those around me make annoying sounds. Everyone thinks there's an active shooter at the local post office and, since we all hate our local post office for losing mail and lying about it, everyone gets their own guns and heads to the post office. Two days later, the evening news (that nobody watches) reports that the Silver Alert had been issued after the guy was found at the bar, just trying to have a beer in peace away from his annoying family.

  20. Re:Sigh, More Control less annoyance per alert FIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe (1) is already how it's done, at least on some cable systems. My understanding is that TiVo, at least, will record properly through such an alert, though it may have to be in standby mode for that to work.

  21. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I have to prepare for repeating false alerts of porn stars being arrested.

  22. I'm ALERT already by tquasar · · Score: 1

    The TV alerts always occur during an important plot clue or ending to a movie. I mute the TV and goto IMDB or another site to read what I missed. My cockatiel was injured flying around in his cage.

  23. Re:How do you change "up"? by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

    Am also American and it doesn't sound weird to me at all. "Hey man, this playlist is boring, change it up!" It's a bit dialectal I guess, but it doesn't sound any weirder then something like dude or pal.

    --
    "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
  24. Re:How do you change "up"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Black is white, up is down and short is long.

  25. Yo da FCC iz Changing Up da emergency alert system by najajomo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "The FCC Is Changing Up the Country's Emergency Alert System"

    Does 'Changing Up' have the same meaning as improving and why is slashdot now writing its titles in ebonics?

  26. Re:Yo da FCC iz Changing Up da emergency alert sys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is slashdot now writing its titles in ebonics?

    'Cause, cuz.

  27. sounds bone headed. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    if I see too many 'testing' messages, they become useless because I will likely stop paying attention to them.

    --
    âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
  28. Re: How do you change "up"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that like how some people use "these days" to mean "these years"?

  29. New feature from FCC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporations are now allowed to use the emergency alert system for ads!

  30. Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can do whatever they want, I'm going to shut the alerts off. The weather alerts would be useful if they didn't consistently arrive half an hour after the weather event had already ended. The amber alerts seemed like a good idea at first, but after I got one at 1 AM, I decided that I am not interested in enforcing other peoples' divorce agreements. Now we have "silver alerts". If these old people are so helpless and irresponsible then why the fuck are they driving cars?

  31. Re:Sigh, More Control less annoyance per alert FIR by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Then the police issue a Silver Alert to cover the entire state,

    This is an example of abuse of the emergency broadcast capability.
    The purpose of an emergency broadcast is supposed to be to Alert everyone to a public danger that
    is relevant to many people in an area since it
    affects the public at large NOT to try and deputize the public to assist authorities in stopping an incident affecting 1 person.

    The Silver Alert is essentially a non-emergency for 99% of the population, some of whom will be roused from their sleep by spurious messages they can do nothing about --- First thing is respect people's sleep and don't issue a load alarm waking them up for this: the nature of the allerts certainly don't warrant interrupting broadcasts. For the most part only people awake and outside their home or with plans to go out in public have any chance of being able to spot the person the alert is about... Cell phone messages: Maybe on opt-in basis.
    There should be another type of channel for these kinds of messages that is targeted as selectively or as broadly
    as those willing to participate would choose.

    I would suggest encouraging heavy media attention. And distribute Mobile Apps that can be used to receive FYI / Public Help Wanted Alerts with detailed scheduling, prioritization, and filtering controls.

  32. levels of warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a kid gets lost at 3 am 25 miles from me, I'm unlikely to be able to find them. If a storm is coming, not like I can do much about it.

    Depends on the storm: in some areas going into the cellar / tornado shelter may save lives.

    Also, there are "levels" to the alerts: advisory, watch, and warning:

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_Area_Message_Encoding#Event_codes

    In the US things can be addressed down to the county level, so things like thunderstorms and possible flooding events can be issued as "watches" that perhaps do not give a screaming-loud signal, but will pop up as a notification so you're aware of increased risks.

    Only the high-level of events would wake you from sleep, but the others could be useful to know once you wake up.