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Star Spotted Speeding Near Black Hole at Centre of Milky Way (theguardian.com)
Astronomers have observed a star speeding close to the massive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way for the first time. From a report: The observations, made using the Very Large Telescope in Chile, tracked a star called S2 as it passed through the extreme gravitational field at the heart of our galaxy. As the star approached its nearest point to the black hole on 19 May, it was accelerated to mind-boggling speeds, causing it to be subject to effects predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity. Astronomers had been tracking the star and preparing to make the observations for the past 16 years -- the time taken for the star to complete a single elliptical orbit of the black hole. "We have been preparing intensely for this event over several years, as we wanted to make the most of this unique opportunity to observe general relativistic effects," said Reinhard Genzel of the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics (MPE) in Garching, Germany, who led the international team. The findings can be found here.
I can see this all ending badly.
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I don't know what is going on here, somehow /. has managed to post a topic that is something it's members might actually be interested in, instead of squabble-bait. Mods must be off their meds today.
* From the article:
The black hole at the centre of the galaxy is about 10 times the size of the sun in diameter, but has a mass of about 4m solar masses.
Isn't the singularity actually just a point? That is what a gravitational singularity is, right? The diameter refers to the event horizon rather than the actual singularity, correct?
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Albert Einstein was right with his theory? Imagine that. I only wish he had lived to see his theories validated like this because he was an exceptional thinker who kept working to within days of his death. He would have loved to see his theories work out such complex problems yet be as simple as they are expressed. I applaud that he was right and I applaud the man, the work ethic and his abilities. We will be lucky to ever know his equal again.
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The sun takes about 250,000 years to go around the same object
Just go closer to wait less.
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We have stars overdosing on drugs, stars committing suicide, stars ruining their careers with reckless Tweets... There's enough vindictiveness going around that we don't need any more. So a star is breaking the speed limit toward the center of the milky way galaxy. We all speed. A little grace here, please.
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But the planet Trantor was not so lucky - it got ripped away from the star and crossed the event horizon a few days ago.
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Apparently, this particular star will soon find itself in Scientology Heaven.
Now... they should have taken advantage of the wording in the story. Instead of "mind-boggling speeds" it should have been "astronomical speeds". Or, "faster than your standard astronomical speeds". Or something.
Speaking of astronomy being interesting to some here at Slashdot, perhaps some here could suggest things in astronomy that would be interesting to look at with a small telescope?
My young daughter is very interested in astronomy so I picked up a 114mm reflector telescope off Craigslist. So far we've seen Saturn's rings (which look like one big ring from our location in the suburbs, with that scope), and seen the discs of the other planets.
There's a lot of light pollution here in the Dallas suburbs and apparently we have to drive an at least an hour to find significantly darker skies. What else can we look at other than the overall color of the planets, and the banding on Jupiter? Any other objects worth seeing?
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A funny story related to this. When I took her outside to look at Saturn, she pointed to a different part of the sky and said "daddy I see Jupiter!" She just turned four years old. How the heck a barely four year old recognizes Jupiter with no assistance, I have no idea. I had to use my sky chart app to confirm she was correct, she had indeed correctly identified Jupiter.
FTA: "As the star approached its nearest point to the black hole on 19 May, it was accelerated to mind-boggling speeds, causing it to be subject to effects predicted by Einstein’s theory of general relativity."
Allow me to correct that for you. "As the star approached its nearest point to the black hole on 19 May, 26,000 years ago..."
There ya go.
Don't overlook the moon-- for somebody new to astronomy, the moon is AMAZING.
Pro tip: DON'T look at the moon when it's full-- the full-on sunlight washes out all the contrast. Look at it first or second quarter.
This is a great season to spot planets-- you can get Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn in an evening without even staying up very late. Mars, unfortunately, although it's unusually close and bright right now, is in the middle of a hellacious dust storm, so you won't see much features. You should be able to spot the polar cap, though.
Pro tip: you don't have to wait for sunset to observe Venus. It's actually better to observe it with some skylight, because it's so bright.
Other than that, if there's light pollution you're not going to seem much in the way of nebulae, but double stars are still interesting. Mizar-- the star at the bend of the Big Dipper-- is easy to find. Some stars where the two components are different colors are interesting. Check this site: https://www.skyandtelescope.co...
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While that depends on how easily impressed you are, I'd said there's not a lot to really utterly floor you with, using a small scope, and without the benefit of astrophotography and a motorized equatorial mount, because so few photons arrive to properly stimulate your retinas in real time, particularly the cones which process color. Everything except the moon (which is pretty monochrome anyway), the major planets, and the Orion Nebula will be monochrome. The Orion nebula has a matrix-like greenish tint.
While it's still exciting to see nebulae and galaxies in real time with your "own" eyes (not an image, anyway) it's a little bit of a letdown that everything looks like blurry old black & white TV.
The height of my interest in astronomy was probably around 2003, 2004, but the light pollution of my area killed my enthusiasm.
Nonetheless, I did see a number of nebulae and galaxies with my simple 8" dobsonian, which was cool, and I could make out the polar ice caps on Mars when it was it's nearest in 60 years.
Another neat thing is with Jupiter, not only do so see the clouds but you should easily make out the 4 Galilean moons. Actually, you can see those with just decent binoculars.
You can look for the Sagittarius Trifid nebula, M51, Andromeda galaxy, and the Ring and Dumbell nebulae as well.. it was years ago but I distinctly remember seeing those.
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Try M31 (the Andromeda galaxy). I'm not sure how it will appear in the telescope though.
Stars of different colours, e.g. Rigel (blue) and Betelgeuse (red) in Orion.
Surface details on the moon.
A good star chart book should list interesting objects for each constellation. Try checking out galaxies and nebulae. Just one thing to note: Don't expect to see colour except in stars. Nebulae will appear greenish (at least they do to my eye).
apparently we have to drive an at least an hour to find significantly darker skies.
Then make it a camping trip, too!
"Very Large Telescope"
I suppose the next will be the "Quite Big, Actually, Telescope".
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So what you're saying is a black hole CAN rotate faster, but if it does it better hope no cops are around?
Star Spotted Speeding Near Black Hole at Centre of Milky Way
It was going so fast it dislodged the last two letters in "center."
We fought a whole war, and traveled across an icy Delaware River on Christmas night to murder people who spell "center" wrong. And no, the trunk of a car is not a boot.
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For for all of that. Your comments on Venus and Mars especially were interesting.
We had our first look at Mars last night, due to her 9:00 PM bed time. It hasn't been visible until late at night. We were a bit disappointed that we didn't see more features, though I knew that since at was near opposition (full moon / full Mars) we wouldn't have the shadows to help us see features. It's good to find out about the dust storm. Maybe we can see more in a month or two.
Speaking of her bed time, that's also interesting about Venus - I've just learned we'd have been better off looking at Venus BEFORE her bedtime rather than AFTER. :)
Thanks for all of that. We'll definitely try looking for the Galilean moons of Jupiter. My 4yo actually said she saw them, but I didn't see them and didn't know they should be visible, so I thought she was wrong.
This is a weird situation for me - I'm a major nerd, my hobby is studying. Therefore I'm used being "the smartest guy in the room". Finding out my four year old is right I was wrong is weird. She's been doing that lately. She knows all about the dwarf planets. I didn't know there were five of them until she told me, and told me their names. Lol
It's not the first time the star has been seen, it's been tracked for decades. What's new (the first time seen) is the confirmation of Einstein's GR prediction of change in redshift as the star got closer to the black hole (doppler effect). It matched exactly what was predicted. Once again (as always), Einstein's GR is confirmed correct.... THAT is how scientists do theory.
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Actually, the black hole is a metaphor for Trump, and the star being jerked around it is a metaphor for Congress.
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Orion Nebula , andromeda Galaxy, Moon is very cool (look along the terminator for high contrast views of craters, Venus is interesting in that has phases like the moon but otherwise featureless. Look for the Ring Nebula near Vega for a dying star blowing smoke rings.
Okay, General Relativity makes it an impossibility to exceed the speed of light because the mass of an object increases as it near's C. Since the mass increases, the amount of energy/force required to accelerate it further also increases -- wash, rinse, repeat.
Clearly, at some stage (due to the increasing mass of the object), the force required to exceed C becomes infinite(?) and therefore C can not be exceeded under any circumstances.
But how does this work when the force is provided by gravity?
Galileo pretty much proved that the acceleration of a mass by gravity is unaffected by the magnitude of that mass. So, if a gravitational field (such as that of a black hole) is creating an acceleration of x meters per second per second, an object should continue to accelerate to and beyond the speed of light, even though its mass increases (infinitely) as it approaches C -- n'est pas?
Yes, I am ignorant but I'm sure some physicist can put me straight on this.
Mind boggling, really? For me, 300 MPH is mind boggling... my mind would absolutely boggle if I could get up to that on the freeway. Mind boggling is really not a term that belongs in a Slashdot summary. It doesn't tell us much. Our minds are sufficiently boggled by matter travelling at relativistic speeds, thank you, could you please say it that way? Oh I forgot, the editor just cut and pasted this from the original article, which was aimed at knuckledraggers.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
without actually telling us what it is.
The reason you can't exceed c is more fundamental, and the "infinite force to accelerate infinite mass" problem you give is one manifestation of the barrier. It's an attempt to describe it in the language of Newtonian mechanics, but as you approach c, Newtonian mechanics just gets more and more inaccurate, and you're never going to really understand what's going on reading a translation into a language unable to express the idea.
To answer your question, however, gravitational acceleration is not exempt because eventually your mass increases to the point that your own mass rivals that of the thing accelerating you, and then it starts falling toward you more than you toward it.
Doing relativity properly, things like "your mass" depend on the measurement frame, i.e. what you're measuring relative to. (That's why it's called "relativity".) The mind-warping thing about relativity is that even though characteristics you are accustomed to thinking of as universal, like time and mass, depend on how you're measuring, all of the physical consequences work out the same. You get consistent predictions of how the universe behaves in every directly measurable way.
Thanks again. I just showed my 4yo the Galilean moons and she was super excited. Even my wife got into it this time.
Kiddo corrected herself after first identifying one of the moons as Titan. :)
Try M51 - it's a whirlpool galaxy that can be easily seen from Earth with a small telescope.
I believe that there were actually proposals for a:
1). Very, Very Large Telescope;
2). Very, Very, Very Large Telescope;
The last of these was cancelled, and I think even the VVLT was cancelled too?