Ubuntu Linux-based Distro Lubuntu To No Longer Focus on Old Hardware (betanews.com)

Lubuntu, a popular Ubuntu flavor, has gained traction over the years for supporting older hardware. As Brian Fagioli writes at BetaNews, one of the focuses of the Lubuntu developers is to support aging computers. However, that is about to change. He adds: When Lubunu 18.10 is released in October 2018, it will ditch LXDE for the newer LXQt. Despite it also being a desktop environment that is easy on resources, the Lubuntu developers are planning to drop their focus on old hardware after the transition. "[...] Our main focus is shifting from providing a distribution for old hardware to a functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer. In essence, this is leveraging something we have always done with Lubuntu; providing an operating system which users can use to revive their old computers, but bringing this to the age of modern computing," says Simon Quigley of Lubuntu team.

Comments

Errr

[thegarbz]

providing an operating system which users can use to revive their old computers, but bringing this to the age of modern computing

Pick one. You can't have both.

Re:Errr

[Hognoxious]

Can't you? I remember creating a Kali respin (non-PAE) for my old T40 and it worked fine.

Re:Errr

[MindStalker]

I think being a Lite distribution their goal is to be able to run on modern light systems like small tablets. The old Lubuntu code will still be out there if you want to run this on your ancient computer, but this is a solved problem as far at Lubuntu goes, if they want to further develop it they need to shift their goals.

Re:Errr

[Anonymous Coward]

I had an old T16 and I used to bullseye womprats from it.

Re:Errr

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes you can. It's a floor polish and a desert topping!

Re:Errr

[Anonymous Coward]

nope. what they're saying is: lxqt is a fucking hog, even worse than gtk based lxde, and it won't run on lower-end hardware anymore. we shouldn't have switched but we're in too deep to backtrack now. so fuck it.

Re:Errr

[Tough Love]

what they're saying is: lxqt is a fucking hog, even worse than gtk based lxde, and it won't run on lower-end hardware anymore.

You wish. But my experience with QT contradicts your claim, it is quite light on its feet. Better than GTK by every measure including performance, especially being actual OO instead of a hot mess of C abuse.

Re:Errr

[thegarbz]

So you picked the former.

Re:Errr

[Wycliffe]

providing an operating system which users can use to revive their old computers, but bringing this to the age of modern computing

Pick one. You can't have both.

Sure you can. You can support oldish hardware without supporting really really old stuff. A raspberry pi is faster and has more memory than a 486. It makes no sense for anyone to support really really old desktop hardware. The cost of the electricity alone to run a 486 desktop for a year could buy a faster more energy efficient computer. There is some cutoff where continuing to support really old systems causes more problems than it fixes.

Re:Errr

[luther349]

the title of this post is bs. i tested lxqt on manjaro its just as snappy as lxde. its just as fast as lxde. what going to happen is the removal of of 32bit.

Re:Errr

[luther349]

the entire post is just some editor talking shit. lxqt is just as light as lxde.

Re:Errr

[K. S. Kyosuke]

especially being actual OO instead

Hilarious. :) And it had to do no less than thoroughly rape C++ with a preprocessor only to accomplish what Smalltalk accomplished naturally. Meanwhile creating bindings to Gtk+, whatever its deficiencies in manual C programming are (admittedly that really sucks), is way easier, not least because of C++'s ABI's piss-poor interoperability compared to C's ABI, hence the much higher avalability of higher language bindings for Gtk+.

Re:Errr

[Tough Love]

And it had to do no less than thoroughly rape C++ with a preprocessor only to accomplish what Smalltalk accomplished naturally.

Hold your horses there. I don't much like the MOC either, but it's a small blemish compared to the massive rape GTK perpetrates with C. And the deep rooted crappiness of GTK shows through to the end user. Compare a QT file dialog to GTK for example, just a tiny tip of the iceberg.

Meanwhile creating bindings to Gtk+, whatever its deficiencies in manual C programming are (admittedly that really sucks), is way easier, not least because of C++'s ABI's piss-poor interoperability compared to C's ABI, hence the much higher avalability of higher language bindings for Gtk+.

You're making that up, you obviously haven't done it yourself. I have, so I know you're full of crap. Anybody who has coded in both GTK and QT knows exactly why Lubuntu is switching to QT.

Re:Errr

[Aighearach]

Why are you claiming not to know that OOP is a perspective, not a language feature? It makes you embarrassingly ignorant.

Re:Errr

[K. S. Kyosuke]

You're making that up, you obviously haven't done it yourself.

Of course, I didn't need to, what I needed already existed (and I'm not going to duplicate an existing effort needlessly). But apparently thirty three language communities decided to bind to Gtk+, sometimes in multiple implementations, but only fourteen language communities decided to bind to Qt5 (of course some bindings are missing from the list, but that happened to both sides) - which is rather telling, isn't it? Not to mention the amazingly fragmented nature of Smoke and competing similar efforts (and the crappy quality of all of them) that I watched developing sometime around 2010 only to give up on waiting and to switch to Gtk+ which simply worked for me. Maybe the situation has changed, I don't know...

Anybody who has coded in both GTK and QT knows exactly why Lubuntu is switching to QT.

...definitely not for any reason related to bindings, rather than, say, the

deep rooted crappiness of GTK shows through to the end user

that you already mentioned - and I do agree that there's too much crappiness inside Gtk+. Mind you, I really like lxqt.

Re:Errr

[Tough Love]

apparently thirty three language communities decided to bind to Gtk+, sometimes in multiple implementations, but only fourteen language communities decided to bind to Qt5 (of course some bindings are missing from the list, but that happened to both sides) - which is rather telling, isn't it?

It does tell you something: the vast majority of GUI apps are written in OO languages now. But even without a binding you can easily put a QT GUI on a C program if you want to. You compile main() as C++, add your GUI there, then the rest of your C code is compiled and called as standard C. Alternatively, you can make the small changes required to compile your C code as C++. Far easier than gritting your teeth and dealing with endless GTK crappiness, and a slicker end result.

I doubt anybody will lose sleep over not being able to call QT from Tcl or Fortran. If somebody really does want Fortran+QT then they can do it the same way as C.

Re:Errr

[K. S. Kyosuke]

But even without a binding you can easily put a QT GUI on a C program if you want to. You compile main() as C++, add your GUI there, then the rest of your C code is compiled and called as standard C. Alternatively, you can make the small changes required to compile your C code as C++

Except I'm actually mostly interested in putting a Qt GUI on a Common Lisp or Chez program. For C APIs, this is almost trivial because of the fantastic FFIs for these platforms, but C++'s ABI makes it virtually impossible with C++ interfaces because only C++ compilers understand C++'s ABI, not to mention incompatibilities of classes, templates, exceptions etc. Hence KDE's invention of Smoke (which I gave up on around 2010, as I already said).

Anyway, these days I'm mostly eyeing IUP which not only has a rather nice C interface but unlike both Qt and Gtk+ is fully native on Windows, which makes it much, much nicer than either for Windows users.

Re:Errr

[Anonymous Coward]

Not quite, yes, in terms of CPU performance and RAM requirements, LXDE and LXQt are similar (LXQt needs a little more, but rather little). However there is one significant difference when it comes to the graphics card, systems without semi-decent 3d acceleration will have quite some some problems with Qt based desktop environments, leading to quite severe graphics corruption. This is a real problem when looking at server class systems with very basic graphics cards (often with no and/ or very buggy 3d acceleration), but also older desktop systems (e.g. AGP graphics).

Re:Errr

[Tough Love]

I'm actually mostly interested in putting a Qt GUI on a Common Lisp or Chez program.

You're in luck

Re:Errr

[K. S. Kyosuke]

I know about CommonQt. It is very recent, though, with limited version support, quite rudimentary, and not terribly polished at the moment. And the binaries are rather huge. It is developing quite rapidly though, so I might give it a try.

Re:Errr

[thegarbz]

And running a modern desktop on a Raspberry Pi is like a "quick" trip to the DMV. There's no such thing. Modern Linux variants are painfully slow on the Raspberry Pi unless you cut out all modernity and restrict your options to software specifically catering for low hardware performance.

Re:Errr

[G00F]

This is a real problem when looking at server class systems with very basic graphics cards (often with no and/ or very buggy 3d acceleration)

What the hell are you doing installing a GUI on a server? What it really matters is older desktops, that have no, or very limited video acceleration/3d.

Focus shift

[Anonymous Coward]

Our main focus is shifting from providing a distribution nobody uses to one that somebody uses. Also we would like it if people on IRC stopped laughing at us

-Simon Quigley of Lubuntu

Re:Focus shift

[Anonymous Coward]

then they should drop ubuntu

Sending users back to Windows XP.

[xack]

Windows XP despite not being officially supported is still used widely in China and in enterprise with specialist software and hardware. Without giving people a Linux route for old hardware you send people back to proprietary software. I hope your happy "freedom advocates". Remember XP requires just a Pentium and 64MB RAM.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[slack_justyb]

hope your happy "freedom advocates". Remember XP requires just a Pentium and 64MB RAM.

Slackware only needs a 486 and 64MB. With 128MB and WindowMaker, the system purrs for the most part. Of course, that's not my daily driver.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[JackieBrown]

Or they can use a different distro...

And they can still use the last version even though its support is now limited. But it's still a lot newer and more secure and better supported than Windows XP.

I have a pretty powerful computer running Debian Sid. Linux isn't solely used for old XP computers

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[omnichad]

If you can still use outdated, insecure Windows you can still use outdated, insecure Lubuntu. I see no difference here. Neither will run recent versions of Chrome/Chromium or Firefox. Neither get security updates.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

My happy is what?

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

I wish i had mod points ...

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[luther349]

then slack isnt going to have any packages soon as every distro and dev is doing away with 32bit.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Wolfrider]

> Remember XP requires just a Pentium and 64MB RAM

--Give me a break, you can buy a halfway decent PC on Amazon Prime for under $100 these days and ship it nearly anywhere. Practically nobody is restricted to XP low-end specs anymore, and if you stuffed XP into 64MB RAM it would run like ass - even with an SSD.

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-...

--The Core 2 Duo even has HW virtualization in the CPU, FFS. With a 64-bit processor and 4GB RAM, you can do a low-resource Linux host with ZFS, and a small Virtualbox XP VM.

Re: Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

As a non-techie who visits slashdot (hint: I still have problems setting up reliable Windows home networking) I installed lubuntu on the xp computer lastonth.

First time Ive overwritten an OS. First time Ive used Linux. Scary.

Lubuntu worked really well!

I chose Lubuntu after a depth of research that closely resembled procrastination.

Does this change mean lubuntu will no longer work on 32 bit machines or that it won't be safe to browse with? The article doesn't seem to say. The comments to date seem to be on quite different topics.

Re: Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

older versions of Slackware had even smaller requirements

I first started with a 386sx and 4MB - no xwindows, some minor swap use

I later maxed out that machine with 16MB of memory and math-coprocessor - was able to try xwindows with that massive upgrade

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[squiggleslash]

People who don't want to run an unsupported older version of XP are welcome to instead run an unsupported older version of Lubuntu (or whatever), so what is your point here?

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows XP has too many critical vulnerabilities to list that will never be patched. If you or anyone else uses it and is dumb enough to connect it to the Internet you aren't so much using a computer anymore as you are a bot-node.

Re: Sending users back to Windows XP.

[slack_justyb]

then slack isnt going to have any packages soon as every distro and dev is doing away with 32bit

Clearly you haven't used Slackware.

Re: Sending users back to Windows XP.

[luther349]

i have. im just pointing out 32 bit is being phased out so installing it on your 486.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[antdude]

But that is very slow. :(

Re: Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think that Pat & co. are relying on packages from other distributions. I don't think that they care much that everyone is dropping x86 at all. Heck, they consistently provide a very intuitive and solid system that didn't follow pretty much any fashion rule of linux world for past 25 years.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[thegarbz]

Remember XP requires just a Pentium and 64MB RAM.

It also will implode if you dare attach it to a network, instantly owned by malware. At the very least XP needs to be isolated until you install SP3. When you install SP3 you've got bugger chance of running it on 64MB of RAM.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[aquabat]

Last time I used Slackware, it needed significantly less than that, but that was back in 1999. My first Linux box was a Cyrix 486slc running Slackware 3.4, IIRC. I had 1 MB of RAM, a 512MB hard drive, and a trident 9000 video card in that box. It took me all night in the Physics reading room, at uni, to ftp it from ftp.cdrom.com onto 57 floppy disks, using the department's IBM 5150. Good distro.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

Except for countries where that is a lot of money and they have old hand me down computers.

Even here in the USA, I have old PCs that are repurposed for things like mother-in-law web browsing and MythTV clients. I also have some old touch screen POS PCs. Some of these are Lubuntu because of specs.

These are all now one step closer to becoming another mound of pollution.

Didn't we learn from Gnome / Ubuntu / Mint that young programmers wanting to use the latest tool aren't always right about what the usage population actually wants? Right click context menus and desktops are way more useful than anything you can do with a smart phone interface.

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[Anonymous Coward]

5150? 1999? Wasn't the 5150 an oversized paper weight by 1999? I suppose it's possible they had one lying around if it still worked, and they were expensive...

Re:Sending users back to Windows XP.

[aquabat]

This was in '96. I used Slack until '99, then tried out Mandrake for a couple of years, and then eventually moved to Gentoo in about '01. Also, my Uni never threw anything out. They were using (possibly still are using) another 5150 or maybe a 5160 in the actual physics lab to control experiments and collect data. The PC hardware was simple and well documented, which made it easier to understand how it might affect your experiment.

yes, upset

[Anonymous Coward]

you compare puppy linux with lubuntu? WTF?
you go use only puppy linux..

wut, gentoo freaks aren't a thing anymore?!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Buy me BONESTORM or GO TO HELL!

low resources hw vs old hardware

[4wdloop]

Supporting old hardware has little to do with low-resource focused distribution (albeit it helps to be low resource on old hardware).

Would it simply be just another desktop install option in Ubuntu then?

For low-resource x86 hw there are other options, I personally like TinyCore. How about for arm hw (RPI etc.)?

Re:low resources hw vs old hardware

[Anonymous Coward]

It helps to be low resource on high-end new hardware... Guess why.

Does it still run in old software?

[OneHundredAndTen]

For, if it does not any longer, it loses the essence of its motivation to exist in the first place - when it comes to being a resource hog, Gnome and KDE already excel in the Linux world.

Re:Does it still run in old software?

[OneHundredAndTen]

Software --> Hardware, as discerning minds already gathered.

Re:Does it still run in old software?

[Tough Love]

GUI apps on Linux generally work well regardless of which desktop you run them under, and which desktop is "native" for them. This is largely because of freedesktop's work on standardizing the relatively few desktop APIs needed, like tray docking and notifications.

you are an idiot

[Anonymous Coward]

By your very own logic one could just as well install an old version of slackware or BSD

apparently your brain is still running Windows XP

Why not completely drop it then?

[SurenEnfiajyan]

So why not completely drop it then replacing with Mate or XFCE? What advantages does LXDE have over XFCE or Mate?

Re:Why not completely drop it then?

[samwichse]

I'd guess it's because Xubuntu (XFCE) already exists, as does Ubuntu Mate.

They are continuing to package Lubuntu, but LXDE is now using Qt.

LXDE available on Debian

[Tough Love]

What is the value add of the Ubuntu part? Honest question. I appreciate that Ubuntu has popularized the Linux desktop, bringing it to millions of users who otherwise would otherwise be stuck on Windows or Apple, but since I went back to Debian, I've been happier. No more having update-manager doing dark and mystical things, then crapping out in the middle of upgrading to a new version for example. And what the heck is a "software channel"?

For now, running both Debian and Ubuntu on different workstations and laptops, but gradually phasing out all the Ubuntus for Debians, which is just easier to maintain. Other than update-manager vs just dist-upgrade I hardly notice any difference.

When LXQT lands in Debian I will certainly try it and see how it stacks up against KDE, it's just an apt install away.

Re:LXDE available on Debian

[Anonymous Coward]

What is the value add of the Ubuntu part? Honest question.

Repositories, packages known to work without extra fiddling, and the most forum support.

And what the heck is a "software channel"?

Repositories.

For now, running both Debian and Ubuntu on different workstations and laptops, but gradually phasing out all the Ubuntus for Debians, which is just easier to maintain.

Sysadmin here. Both use similar commands and the same number. No difference in maintenance.

Other than update-manager vs just dist-upgrade I hardly notice any difference.

Don't use update-manager. Waste of time. There is no difference without it.

When LXQT lands in Debian I will certainly try it and see how it stacks up against KDE, it's just an apt install away.

So, a few years ago? Install and try it out. You really should be on stretch and not jessie. Several critical security problems have been flagged as not getting a fix prior to stretch. Worse than anything microsoft has done in years. Dozens of man-hours pinning processes using split repos or portables to get around those problems. Terrible.

Re:LXDE available on Debian

[Tough Love]

What is the value add of the Ubuntu part? Honest question.

Repositories, packages known to work without extra fiddling, and the most forum support.

Which packages are those, that are supposed to require extra fiddling on Debian but not Ubuntu?

And what the heck is a "software channel"?

Repositories.

So why doesn't Ubuntu say that? What is this "software channel" newspeak? Are Ubuntu users supposed to be too stupid to know what a repository is?

Sysadmin here .... Don't use update-manager. Waste of time. There is no difference without it.

Not exactly. The Ubuntu way of upgrading to a new version is update-manager, which edits sources.list and who knows what else it does. The Debian way is, edit sources.list, which has been highly robust for me, unlike Ubuntu update-manager.

When LXQT lands in Debian I will certainly try it and see how it stacks up against KDE, it's just an apt install away.

So, a few years ago? Install and try it out. You really should be on stretch and not jessie. Several critical security problems have been flagged as not getting a fix prior to stretch. Worse than anything microsoft has done in years. Dozens of man-hours pinning processes using split repos or portables to get around those problems. Terrible.

LXQT works fine on Buster. I installed and ran in a parallel session without rebooting or even logging out. Don't you just love Linux? Anyway, LXQT is a bit rough around the edges compared to KDE. Application windows look and work about the same but the task bar is just a black rectange. It probably has a bunch of features I didn't try, but I did drop an icon onto it as suggested by the prompt and it worked as expected. Dragged some windows around fiddled with settings, tried a few tray things. Yes, seems serviceable. But no obvious reason why I should run it instead of KDE.

Re:LXDE available on Debian

[Tough Love]

One additional comment: I ran Civ V from the LXDE desktop, where it had thoughtfully placed the icon all by itself. Civ didn't start, but eventually when I logged out of LXDE, Civ immediately started on the KDE desktop. Other apps didn't have any problem figuring out where and when they should start, so this is a Steam bug. The concept of parallel desktop sessions is a foreign concept to the mind of a game developer? Or more respectfully: nobody thought to try this so nobody noticed that whatever hack they did in to make the launcher work isn't quite right.

this makes so glad...

[Anonymous Coward]

this makes so glad that have once considered Lubuntu. And never will.

fail title

[luther349]

lxqt is just as light as lxde if not lighter. there switching to qt because gtk is become bloted.

Re:fail title

[Anonymous Coward]

Funny how QT was already bloated twenty years ago....

Oh well...

AntiX linux still has a 32 bit for older machines.

[Anonymous Coward]

Several DEs available, great community with up-to-date backports.

https://antixlinux.com/

Re:creimer is a fat, sissy cuck!! Smells like a bu

[Anonymous Coward]

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creimer is a fat, smelly cuck! Smells like a butt!

[Anonymous Coward]

It also stands for Licking ass. Which is what I do to my black bull is fucking a white woman.

- creimer

Who cares?

[Anonymous Coward]

Is this worthy news?
Who cares?
Another rif raf distro has now become irrelevant...

NetBSD

[manu0601]

There are many other OS to use on ancient hardware. Some cited Slackware, there is also NetBSD.

Re:NetBSD

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not ancient! Jeeze we're talking about machines that were mainstream 20 years ago and had basically the same functionalities as the ones of today: network access, possibly even wifi, usb extension (sometimes 2.0 !), decent multitasking capabilities, a screen, keyboard and mouse.

Ok they didn't have 64 Gb of RAM to run 3 instances of Chrome but they fared wall and for the most part they still do. The fact that internet browsing now requires gazillions of RAM and processing power is one of the main causes of obsolescence with computers and devices able to access the internet. I'd say it's planned obsolescence...

I do maintain a lot of those "oldies" for my friends and family and they're very happy about the machines.

Now if it were a C64 or an Amstrad 1520 that would be ancient...

Re:NetBSD

[manu0601]

It's not ancient!

Well, NetBSD does not require hardware to be decades old.

Re:creimer is a fat, sissy cuck!! Smells like a bu

[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:creimer is a fat, smelly cuck! Smells like a bu

[Anonymous Coward]

is to be speaking english bad, parent post with great stupid

Try FluXuan (Devuan) or Void

[Artemis3]

FluXuan Is very light on resources. Boot to desktop and its using 68M only.
Based on Devuan Ascii, you'll be at home if you are used to how Debian used to be, without the bloat.

Of course you could also just use Devuan with your favorite wm.

If you don't mind being on the leading edge, there is also Void, which not being based on any other distro, doesn't have to share a sudden termination of 32 bit support.

There are still many alternatives suitable for old hardware, perhaps take a look at Distrowatch.

Re:Try FluXuan (Devuan) or Void

[johannesg]

Boot to desktop and its using 68M only.

It's at times like this when I remember my Amiga 500 booting to desktop, and being just as functional as your Linux desktop, in 512KB. That's "kilobyte", and there was plenty space left over to run applications.

Ok, technically that's cheating: the Amiga had much of its operating system, including the desktop, in a 256KB ROM. So we should be counting that as well, then...

Now get off my lawn.

Re:Try FluXuan (Devuan) or Void

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah I ran my first Linux on a 486 computer with 8 megabytes of RAM and it worked pretty damn fine. Where does all the bloat come from when modern computers do not offer any significant improvement from the previous generations? Do tell, programmers.

linux can support old computers

[Anonymous Coward]

In fact thats what a vast majority of linux users do, run old computers.
This is just more of the systemd scope creep now. We cant run old computers because of stupid design decisions in systemd and the fact that to use systemd you have to use the latest kernal.

good on ya pottering idiot.

Re:creimer is a fat, smelly cuck! Smells like a bu

[Anonymous Coward]

Pee in my butt!!!

- creimer

Explain to me how LXQt is not a lightweight distro

[kriston]

Explain to me how LXQt is not a lightweight distro. Go.

Re:Explain to me how LXQt is not a lightweight dis

[johnsie]

You're completely missing the point. "Our main focus is shifting from providing a distribution for old hardware to a functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer." The important part here was that they are no longer going to give a crap about old machines. Yes, LXQt may be coincidentally lightweight, but doesn't mean old machines will be catered for in future.

40 MB should be enough for everybody.

[Anonymous Coward]

Slackware doesn't require 64 mb, you piece of crit, ignorant snob.

I installed slackware on a p-75 with 40mb of ram. Worked flawlessly. I believe the pairing was either 16+16+8 or 32+8 or whatever. But it happened. you'll have to take my word for it.

Actually I installed it on another computer and just rewrote some /dev/hdX snits to make it boot from the right drive and then just put the drive in the P-75. Pentium is obviously overkill, but the whole skidaddle, wolkerdingdaddle, actually ran on my 40 m rig.

With graphics and everything. So truck your excess 24 megabytes. With owl, respect.

P3-733Mhz

[Crass Spektakel]

If support for old systems is dropped I will drop LXDE.

My smallest LXDE system is a PentiumMMX 233Mhz, 192MB RAM and S3 Virge. I use it mostly for its rather rare Audio-Hardware which requires at least two fully ISA compliant Slots which later systems simply do not offer. While is overall quite sluggish it gets the job done with very little suffering.

Another one is a Pentium III 733Mhz with 384MB of Memory and a Geforce 256. This one works pretty well with LXDE. While Applications take some extra seconds to start they work very well.

I really like the lean approach of LXDE.

If support for old systems is dropped I will drop LXDE.

I realized most distributions that say "32bit"...

[rainer_d]

still need PAE.

I have a Fujitsu Lifebook from c.a. 2003 and the realization meant that there are a few systems left with true 32bit support.

OpenBSD worked surprisingly well. Though any modern app is going to be slow on such a thing. The biggest problem is the 1024MB of RAM it has.

Re:creimer is a fat, smelly cuck! Smells like a bu

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone with points needs to mod this down way below zero.

Re:I realized most distributions that say "32bit".

[uncle slacky]

Bodhi still offers a non-PAE "legacy" version. If you don't like the Moksha (E17) desktop, install LXDE on it you'll have something very like Lubuntu: http://www.bodhilinux.com/w/selecting-the-correct-iso-image/