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Leaked Chats Show Alleged Russian Spy Seeking Hacking Tools (securityweek.com)
wiredmikey writes: The leak of an alleged Russian hacker's conversations with a security researcher shows more about the shadowy group of 12 Russian spies indicted by the FBI for targeting the 2016 U.S. election. The researcher, who gave her exchanges with the alleged hacker to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, said she wasn't pleased to learn she had been corresponding with an alleged Russian spy. But she wasn't particularly surprised either.
You made the assertion, burden of proof is on you.
Every time a story like this comes up, a large number of folks raise objections to the very idea of investigating right-wing election issues.
Well, this isn't going away. Benghazi investigations lasted for 3 years, with zero convictions or even serious cases. If you in any way accepted that process, you have ZERO legs to stand against on an investigation that had already lead to multiple convictions and guilty pleas, and is currently involved in a large number of major court cases, increasing constantly.
And if push too hard to try and force it to stop, the protests will shut down this nation. They will be larger than anything we've ever seen.
None of this is going away.
Ryan Fenton
uh...since the researcher may have knowledge that the spy doesn't...especially about zer0 days...
nothing to see here - move along
Is anyone surprised?
The thing is, "Russian spy tries to spy" != "Trump is a Russian mole/dupe/partner/something, OMG lolz". Which is the implication we are apparently supposed to believe.
Just like the hot 18/f/CA that used to hang out in all of those AOL chatrooms I'm willing to bet that it's a big fat hairy dude sitting behind a desk somewhere in Langley Virginia.
I'm sorry, Russia is a global superpower with unlimited financial and human resources devoted to spycraft and hacking. To suggest that an international spy is using public Twitter posts and emails to a random researchers asking for zero-day exploits is beyond absurd. It's comical to anyone who knows anything about intelligence agencies or tech security, but of course the target of this propaganda tends to be the lowest common denominator who will just believe anything.
Why wouldn't someone with unlimited resources have underlings look for low hanging fruit?
Rule also applies in debate.
Doesn't apply when trolling though, so you're good.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Because of how easily traceable it is.
you go right on believing that...why do think all the vendors have bug reward programs?
nothing to see here - move along
Has it occurred to you that those bugs were introduced/engineered by state-sponsored intelligence agencies in the first place? The GRU has their own zero-days.
It's more plausible that you're the Russian spy sent here to make Democrats look like imbeciles.
Russia is a global superpower? hahahaha good one!
Because the NSA never taps the expertise of researchers outside of their own walls? That is preposterous.
Exploits are like any other commodity. You go to the people who have them, regardless of who they are.
It's comical to anyone who knows anything about intelligence agencies or tech security,
Intelligence agencies or other covert operations quite often will try to use technology or equipment not sourced internally in order to hide who they are really working for and to provide deniability. Anyone who knows anything about intelligence agencies would know this.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Ever since 9/11 the country needed a new boogeyman to be scared of. We had the Taliban, then Saddam, then pedophiles, then ISIS, now it happens to be Russia. Trump used social media to get elected just like Obama did and now shit got real because the DNC gambled on Hillary and lost. I'm not a Democrat but I respect Bernie a hell of a lot more than Hillary.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Russia didn't hack the election. They hacked DNC emails and bought Facebook ads. Funny how Facebook was alright in taking that money until Hillary lost.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Maybe it's because FBI, CIA and Congressial Republicans all agree that there has been a Russian collusion during the election. And when Donald Trump, after meeting Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, first denied it, he backtracked the day after and admitted that there has been a strong Russian influence on the election.
Not publicly in an easily-traceable manner. Unless of course they're trying to make it look like another country is doing it...
The Russians did try to influence the election, and has very solid evidence behind it. This says nothing bad whatsoever about Trump or that he colluded with them. However, by refusing to acknowledge the evidence and continually denying that Russia did anything does look bad for Trump, it makes him look like an ego-driven child. Worse, when Trump tries to hinder the investigation it hurts him legally. It's in Trump's own best interests to acknowlege the Russian issue is a real thing.
The Clinton campaign was spending over $1 million per month in paid astrotrufing services. Correct the Record, Media Matters, etc, exist for the sole purpose of trolling online. They were celebrated for it.
It's always been a setup. The establishment has framed this from the beginning as Trump working with the Russians to steal the election, not the simple meddling that's always taken place.
Not if you've seen social media in the past 2 years. It's probably a genuine post.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
He wasn't their guy. You are wrong.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
If I had any mod points, I would mod this up. But since my return to Slashdot since the early days (mid-2000s), I never seem to get any mod points, despite my karma levels (and now that I have posted, it's a moot point, anyway).
the zer0 day bugs were overwhelmingly introduced by the moronic s/w engineers who built the apps...
nothing to see here - move along
@Train0987: ‘Since when does a state-sponsored spy need to troll a researcher for hacking tools? This exchange is pretty strong evidence that the person is not a sanctioned "spy".’
And that story being entirely bogus. That story is pitched at the level of the average Faux News viewer, which the editors of slashdot seem to have us confused with.
Are you saying there is no action to be taken between two nations between 'cut it out!' and going to war?
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
You made the assertion, burden of proof is on you.
Poll shows that 40% of republicans believe that Russians helping republicans keep control of Congress is either appropriate or not a big deal.
For the 2016 presidential election the figure is 33%.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news...
You mean like financial sanctions on them by us and our allies... Check, we've done that.
Expelling diplomats.. Check, Done that too..
Discussing the Issue between heads of state... Check, Even that we've done since 2016...
Yet here we go again...
I'm saying that what can you do to stop them if they refuse to comply with your laws when you ask them to? Military force, or at least the credible threat of it is pretty much where we are at this point. How bad do you want it to stop? THAT bad?
You see, that's really the question. How far are you willing to go to make them stop. They seem willing to endure pretty much everything we've done so far and short of risking an open military conflict I'm not sure what other pressure we can bring to bear.
You have any new ideas?
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Story is an eye roll just from the headline. Move on.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
If Trump is impeached, Mike Pence will become POTUS. The man is a crazy Christian (capital punishment for abortion, anyone?), and he might have the skills necessary to be effective. Trump's lack of political skill is the best thing about him.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
I'd like to see Congress backed sanctions, which is pretty much where we are (I think).
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
This person contacted her over a 'blog post' and posted to Twitter to find information on a CVE.
That is a script-kiddie, wannabe hacker teenager. A true spy, hell, even a halfway decent 'professional' knows where to find CVE descriptions and based on those descriptions, they can write their own exploits.
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Plus, Russia didn't meddle, and if they did, it wasn't to help Trump, and if it was, it didn't work, but either way there was no collusion and collusion isn't a crime anyway.
The US seems fixated with the GRU in all the stories about spying globally.
The GRU did try to spy once in the UK and totally lost a well placed spy in the 1070's.
After that it was better felt to let the real spy experts in the Soviet Union and Russia look after international spying.
Now the West is to enjoy a story about the GRU that is back doing advanced cyber spying but it cant spy and needs help. When it can spy it got deep into US networks and was never found due to skills. Then went back to needing random help again in chats again?
Stories about been able to stay deep in US networks extracting vast amounts of data with amazing skills using advanced code? Then going back to needing help in chat online?
Spying that has a person no skills in chat and then super skills all over the "internet"?
With the "a military base in the heart of Moscow" with "manicured lawns, flower beds"? And "a district outside Moscow"? "Cross-country skiing"? "emerald waters"? Left around as a story to find?
The US media then getting told of US investigative methods in real time? The US media talking US results in real time?
When did the USA ever let any of its real investigative methods and real results get talked about? 30 to 60 years later.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The Russian "sharp force" campaign was not necessarily to get Trump the presidency. They hacked both the Democrats and the Republicans. There were attempts made towards the Bernie Sanders campaign as well. They just didn't go anywhere. The main point is to destabilize our democracy. Right now 57% of young adults do not see the Trump presidency as legitimate. They didn't need to help Trump win only to make it look like they did to have an effect. The danger is not in helping conservatives or liberals. They will help whatever side they need to to create confusion and force people to question the legitimacy of authority in the government. Take for instance the protest rally's set up by Russian operatives where they have set up rallies for violently opposing groups in order to facilitate hostility. As they work the system they will only get better, and next election it may not be the Republicans they decide needs to be in power. It may be more to their liking that an extremely liberal Democrat needs to be in office in order to foment disorder, and maybe next time they will be good enough to make a difference. Make no mistake, the Russians are not on your side.
You're arguing semantics. They certainly hacked to attempt to sway an election. Russian hackers with state-funded resources under direct orders from Putin, broke into the DNC server and selectively leaked information in order to sway the election towards their preferred candidate. This is the conclusion of numerous government agencies both in the US and abroad who have no obvious reason to deceive the public on this.
The only people who disagree with this assessment apart from Russia is Trump himself, presumably because it detracts from the prestige of his glorious electoral victory. The fact he has refused to challenge Putin on this, tried to delay or dismiss retaliatory sanctions against Russia or even publicly acknowledge this without walking it back soon after, suggests he is somewhat complicit or at least acquiesces to Russian interference in US democracy.
[Russia] hacked DNC emails
So we're continuously told by those with an obvious conflict of interest, against a mounting pile of evidence to the contrary.