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Amazon Plans To Move Completely Off Oracle Software By Early 2020 (cnbc.com)
Amazon plans to be completely off Oracle's proprietary database software by the first quarter of 2020, reports CNBC. The plans come after the company moved most of its infrastructure internally to Amazon Web Services. From the report: Amazon began moving off Oracle about four or five years ago, said one of the people, who asked not to be named because the project is confidential. Some parts of Amazon's core shopping business still rely on Oracle, the person said, and the full migration should wrap up in about 14 to 20 months. Another person said that Amazon had been considering a departure from Oracle for years before the transition began but decided at the time that it would require too much engineering work with perhaps too little payoff. The primary issue Amazon has faced on Oracle is the inability for the database technology to scale to meet Amazon's performance needs, a person familiar with the matter said. Another person, who said the move could be completed by mid-2019, added that there hasn't been any development of new technology relying on Oracle databases for quite a while.
Oracle can keep circling the drain.
Fascinating
It would be kind of funny if Amazon dropped them as a customer but Oracle actually got more money out of AWS anyway so it didn't matter.
Oracle RDBMS ??
MySQL ??
Ellison was initially a big critic of cloud computing and famously boasted that it would be a flop. Now that a lot of companies have embraced it, Oracle is left scrambling. Workday, Amazon, Google, Microsoft...they all have a huge head start.
If this keeps up poor old Larry is going to have to sell off one of his Hawaiian islands or a couple of Malibu estates...oh the humanity!
Just a side note, maybe amazon can help with washingtonhealthplanfineder.com as it has been down for weeks if not months.
Oracle more or less resells GPL & MIT licensed software (with the occasional patent here and there to make it hard to just re-implement everything they do). If you're as big as Amazon why pay the crazy fees. Just go to the source and hire your own engineers.
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> The primary issue Amazon has faced on Oracle is the inability for the database technology to scale to meet Amazon's performance needs, a person familiar with the matter said.
This is how big tech companies do a BURN!
And it couldn't have happened to a nicer megacorp.
What are they moving TO? The article doesn’t seem to say.
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Oracle screws their customers and pulls absolutely nonsensical licensing demands. Example: You have 1 tiny VM with 1 virtual processor runnning oracle... but the VM runs in a cluster with 1000 cores that other VMs are using. Oracle will demand you license 1000 processors of Oracle for that 1 VM. It's the most insane logic you've ever heard in a licensing discussion.
The only good Oracle is the Oracle you don't use.
"Oracle still calling Amazon four to six times a day to sell services"
"Amazon has blocked 38,000 individual phone numbers in attempt to avoid Oracle sales calls"
"1 in 4 Amazon employees job description includes 'Telling Oracle to piss off' to help deal with never ending sales calls"
"Oracle buys AT&T in order to get cheaper rates when calling Amazon"
"Oracle ordered by federal judge to stop stalking Amazon"
and so on...
I thought that I heard about this during a presentation at AWS reInvent last year.
Having heard about experiences of people on MySQL, Postgres and some NoSQL databases, I've come to believe that Oracle databases are good. So is IBMs. I wouldn't trust anyone else when it comes to reliability. If you go for support with 24/7 guarantees, other databases would probably cost you as much.
Using it for everything is not the right thing, but sometimes availability of expertise is a big factor.
Microsoft, Oracle, etc. They all are the corporate equivalent of a cult, very similar to the big abrahamic revelation cults ("religions"). "Here, have some flaky lock-in software. It comes in shiny boxes and with flashy names on it. And I'm wearing a suit and it's really expensive and complicated, so it's very very professional."
You get miniature versions of this in the web world as well. I'm currently maintaining a mid sized brand website that is an utterly unbelievable Hodge-podge of commercial WordPress plugins. A true nightmare. But even thinking about doing the same with some totally fucked up Oracle installment just about creeps me out even further. ... At least I'm dealing with FOSS and can implement my own models without having to buy some extra schema contingent or something.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
How is Larry gonna buy 10 more yachts now?
we'll never be rid of oracle, if a company such as amazon even has a though time migrating away, imagine the chances of a normal sized company to do so.
the best advice would be to never use it. like a hard drug, it is hard to stop once you've started.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
I don't know what Amazon is replacing it with, but I'm surprised that SQL databases got so big and stayed so big for so long. There are nice things about them, there is no doubt. But there are so many horrible things about them. Why hasn't Oracle moved with the times? Why haven't they researched and created something better after all this time with all that money?
The wonder is that anyone is still on it.
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That's going to leave a mark...
Here on Slashdot, we all know how evil Microsoft is but we don't spend a lot of time speaking of the horrors of Oracle. Unlike Microsoft, Oracle actually creates some solid technology (at least their database and supporting technologies), but they constantly invent new ways to screw over their customers. Everyone knows Oracle is expensive and so you won't be surprised when their initial estimate comes in pretty high. What you don't realize is that they will often come back later and evaluate your use of their technologies at which time they'll realize that you're using features that have additional licensing cost that weren't included in their initial estimate. In some cases, that could make their initial estimate look cheap. Any time you have a problem, their answer is always to use an additional Oracle product but that product requires integrating these other supporting Oracle products and the whole thing is so complicated that they'll highly recommend that you hire one or more of their consultants for the bulk of the development phase. In addition to that, they will change their licensing model to virtually guarantee that you will have to pay them more money to continue using their products. Once you're entrenched in all of these technologies, it becomes prohibitively difficult to migrate away from Oracle (just look at how long it's taking a behemoth like Amazon). Therefore, unless your project has an immediate need for a crazy amount of scalability, you're probably much better off using an open source database platform. You have been warned.
What's the alternative at Amazon to using Oracle? Another type of relational database? A hierarchical or network database? Simple index sequential (B-tree) access method with a home-grown structure? Domthey use hashed direct access, with overflow? Are they still normalizing their data? Do they still use SQL? Do they use a data dictionary of any sort? Or are they using Exel spreadsheets, or keeping their data in a hand written ledger, hahaha?
The jock, who wrote this Slashdot article, certainly didn't demonstrate a deep understanding of database technology, or he/she would have probed these questions.
You know how people talk about "revolving door politics" in Washington DC? You get a job in the government regulating something, then you leave to work in the industry that you used to regulate. Or vice-versa, or both in an alternating pattern.
I am just a lowly programmer (not important enough for such corruption) but found out that's how the big-money tech industry works too. You know where Oracle and Salesforce and Microsoft and other companies like that get their sales reps? Their former customers' CIOs and upper managers, that's who. And you know who makes the decision to buy these companies' products? Their former sales reps.
There's so much year-after-year licensing money at stake, and hell yes, some fraction of that is going the other way, under the table. I bet there isn't a single Oracle installation where payola isn't happening. Once already you've ruled out all the honest people, only an impractical one wouldn't take this free money.
If for nothing else, it's good that Amazon is going to lose the appearance of corruption, because your company can't use Oracle without everyone thinking the CIO has a second, under-the-table income.
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