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Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court To Wipe Out Decision Upholding Net Neutrality (hollywoodreporter.com)

Repealing net neutrality wasn't enough for the Trump administration. Today, the administration asked the U.S. Supreme Court to vacate a 2016 appeal court ruling that had upheld Obama era net neutrality rules that barred ISPs from blocking, throttling, or prioritizing content. Reuters reports: The request was made even though the Federal Communications Commission voted along party lines to toss out the 2015 rules late last year, rendering the fight over their legality moot. In a filing to the Supreme Court, the Trump administration said the question for the court was "whether the now-superseded 2015 order was invalid because it exceeded the FCC's statutory authority, was arbitrary and capricious, was promulgated without adequate public notice, or violated the First Amendment."

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  1. He'll get it too by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the current Supreme Court is stacked against government regulation of any kind. That is by design. We've been electing right wing presidents since I was born (yes, both Obama and Clinton, especially Clinton, were on the right wing). As the saying goes, Elections have consequences. America continues to choose candidates who oppose government regulation and favor leaving things up to the markets. We should stop acting surprised when that happens just because they're striking down a regulation we happen to like.

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    1. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessary throttled so that it can be sniffed^Winspected but more your attention directed where money interests think is necessary. Remove net neutrality and you give the rich even more power to control what you get access to and what you see.

    2. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes that's what free markets are, free for the rich who already control everything to increase or maintain their control.

    3. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As the saying goes, Elections have consequences. America continues to choose candidates who oppose government regulation and favor leaving things up to the markets oligarchs.

      There, FTFY. The "free market" is a myth in the USA. On the one hand, you have restrictions such as patents which locked out competitors to Amazon and Microsoft so there was no market in simple shopping or pre-installed operating systems. On the other hand, where clear information is needed, the entire US mass media has been controlled by Oligarchs such as Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch who have much more in common with each-other than with any of their consumers. The US public is so brainwashed that they blame the problems of de-regulation on those few regulations which remain.

    4. Re:He'll get it too by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      the current Supreme Court is stacked against government regulation of any kind. That is by design.

      I'm not so sure about that. Generally it seems the SCOTUS tries to find a reason to uphold what Congress decides, except when it doesn't. And generally it doesn't when it thinks something is unconstitutional.

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    5. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both are right wing? Lol Up is down. Left is right. I get it.

    6. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the case matches the law, you win. If not, you lose.

      In some idealized fairy-tale world, maybe.

    7. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      America continues to choose candidates who oppose government regulation and favor leaving things up to the markets.

      The democratic party seems to have the centrists and the more left people, while the republican party has the right, and the far right, and well Donald Trump, who seems to mostly be about worship of Donald Trump.

      The last election had people:
      1. Angry and wanting to vote someone in who was angry at the same people they were angry at. They have been told to be angry at the democrats/clintons/etc for some time. Trump's whole birthirism spiel was just a gigantic fan for the flames of prejudice. "This one is other." "He had no right to ever be in charge, kinda vibe." Much of the Russian crap helped with this, one way, or another. A lot of this is voting against their best interests, but that is where we are.

      2. Believing the two main parties were nearly as equal as far as their lives went. Many of those stayed home. Some might have voted for Trump because well your back to 1. This is false, but yah, we are here. Our voter participation is crap. I'd like to say those people are getting a wakeup call, but yah, not seeing it.

      3. You had a lot of people who thought trump was aweful/unqualified/lacking ethics voting on the other side, and that's about it. If you thought Trump was one of those things well Hillary was basically generic democrat to everyone else, including me. There was nothing particularly wrong with the choice and it was vastly better than the alternative, but hardly inspiring. Some likely stayed home because she was probably more of a republican than Donald Trump is. That was no doubt a mistake, since her policies would have been far better. Hell, she stood up to Putin, which is something Trump can't say. That is partly why she got attacked. I think the part of this group that didn't show up, might show up better next time. Actually come to think of it, part of the reason Trump might be refusing to attack Putin is this is what happened to Hillary. It makes sense, though I doubt that is all of it.

      The interesting thing will be is whether the delta causes enough of a shift in november to overcome partisan gerrymandering. I think you have to get about 6% in favor of the democrats for the republican seats to start falling like dominoes. Someone can correct me if they have a better number.

    8. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here we have a believer in the Immaculate Conviction.

      No sorry, when the law itself is wrong, (slavery, prohibition, pot, family separation, etc), you not only have a right. it a duty to break it.

    9. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Comcast tells Trump Administration To Tell Supreme Court To Wipe Out Decision Upholding Net Neutrality

      -FTFY

    10. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you as a private citizen have the right and duty to break it. Judges? Not so much.

    11. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slavery wasnâ(TM)t wrong until society decided it was wrong. It was quite the thing for a while.

    12. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this seems to be a blanket assumption that right wing is bad? Trump is just the perfect amount of right wing for me. I could maybe hope he's a tiny bit more right wing. But I'm happy. Many, many Americans are hoping to see him dismantle all of Obama's nonsense. I should mention I'm middle class but self employed and Obama's rules devastated me.

    13. Re:He'll get it too by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Oh well if the US population thinks that... can't go wrong a an argumentum ad populum with such a wise group.
      Couldn't possibly be they only think that because we basically only have a right-of-center and extreme-right party.

    14. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A 'free market' is a myth in the modern world, anyway - the foundation of any and all markets today is the ownership of useful land, which is NOT free, nor infinite. For that to effectively change, a LOT of people would have to die... (Communism just changes the nature of ownership, not the market forces it causes.)

    15. Re:He'll get it too by senileoldfart · · Score: 0

      Alvin Toffler in his book 'Entropy" identified another serious problem with the mythical 'Free Market' --- that is that future generations don't get to bid on resources.

    16. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a world perspective, yes, Obama and Bill Clinton are right (centre right) , broadly equivalent to, say, typical UK Conservative Party leaders such as (matching timescales), David Cameron and John Major.

    17. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "free market" is a myth everywhere

      There, FTFY. I have yet to see someone extolling the virtues of the free market on /. who isn't actually just praising the particular set of artificial constraints on competition which benefits them.

      There may have been a truly free market somewhere, at some time, but it's never been in the U.S. or Europe; frankly, I doubt it's ever really happened, at least not for any significant time.

      What does happen in every market is either that those who are in control (whether it be government, monarch, warlord, what-have-you) set it up primarly to their own benefit from the beginning, or someone in the market gains a small advantage, starts using it to distort the market to their own benefit, and they and others like them continue on that roadmap until they have created a situation wherein they no longer really participate in the market at all, yet they reap the vast majority of value from it.

    18. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we do get to saddle them with debt...

    19. Re:He'll get it too by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The federal government (U.S.) owns enough land to give each citizen several acres. The free market doesnt exist because the governments power continues to trump it. The answer isnt giving the government more power, because that too will be used for the cronies.

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    20. Re: He'll get it too by LocalH · · Score: 1

      You forgot the word "considered".

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    21. Re: He'll get it too by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Tony Blair.

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    22. Re:He'll get it too by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He's just living up to his sig - "often wrong but never in doubt".

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    23. Re:He'll get it too by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      The federal government (U.S.) owns enough land to give each citizen several acres. The free market doesnt exist because the governments power continues to trump it. The answer isnt giving the government more power, because that too will be used for the cronies.

      The federal government (U.S.) owns enough land to give each citizen several acres.

      Well that's just great.

      I mean I grew up believing the government owed me 40 acres and a mule and now we're down to "several acres" and no mention of any mule.

      Has the whole world gone mad?

      I'll settle for a 1/4 acre plot and a Kia. Is that too much to ask?

      Where's my mule?
      Where's my 40 acres?
      To live this away, might as well meet my maker.

      Where's my mule?

    24. Re:He'll get it too by shaitand · · Score: 0

      "2. Believing the two main parties were nearly as equal as far as their lives went. Many of those stayed home. Some might have voted for Trump because well your back to 1. This is false, but yah, we are here. Our voter participation is crap. I'd like to say those people are getting a wakeup call, but yah, not seeing it."

      Hillary Clinton collaborated with the democratic party to try to rig the primary. Okay, she denies active collusion, even though they were systematically funneling money from state funds to her campaign but she knew about it before the DNC vote and there is only one credible and ethical response to finding out you've won, especially a close race, with a stacked deck. Hillary Clinton had zero moral and political capital after this. You can't just let out a delighted giggle and take the ill gotten gains anyway and think you are going to win the election.

      The DNC was hosted by a major bank who contributed to her campaign. The massive protest outside the DNC was barely covered, instead CNN and friends just kept saying over and over again how Sanders needs to get his people on a leash. Oh and justification that "of course they were pushing for the real democrat." Last I checked Sanders was by far and away more left than Hillary ever was regardless of what he declared.

      During her debates with Trump she admitted that what she admired about Lincoln wasn't freeing slaves it was the way he acted in a duplicitous and manipulative manner to get his way.

      I'm sorry but if you are choosing between a candidate who is pumping money into the oil industry and one who supports the copyright and tech cartels that IS all just one party with two spins.

    25. Re:He'll get it too by shaitand · · Score: 1

      That is where the same party keeping us carefully divided comes in. The same set of rules don't make sense for publically vs privately traded companies, there should probably be some kind of numeric factor as well but I wouldn't claim to know where to put the mark.

      The R's make sense to people like you and people in small towns because the "free market" and trickle down ideas alongside the damage costs of regulation cause can be seen and are very pronounced there. Logically it seems like the same thing should scale.

      The D's just push for policies that ignore these groups on the basis of the large employers and cities being a 51% majority, pretending that means it's okay to ignore the rest.

      We can't ignore that massive entities impact too many employees and citizens with their policies to be allowed to be given the same privileges as small ones any more than we can ignore that smaller entities are basically synonymous with their owners and are incorporated mostly for liability protection which we sorely need to encourage new business in our country.

      The split and being forced to choose down the line which amendments to back and which spin to support is just too elegant for me not to think of the two major parties as different sides of the same coin. Divide and conquer. You just can't have a logical argument and come together if you can't admit when the other side makes a good argument.

      The goal for all of us should not be to win the debate, that just means winning the crowd, the goal should be to debate in a sincere manner based on solid rationale so the best possible answer wins the debate.

    26. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Slavery wasnâ(TM)t wrong until society decided it was wrong. It was quite the thing for a while."

      Laws can be made or stay on the books even when society thinks it's wrong.

    27. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not traditionally, the bar has moved heavily to the far right. Who would been considered center is now considered very liberal. Who would have been considered far right is now moderate republican.

    28. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need more deregulation. The problem right now is we don't have a free market and that's been created due to regulation. The persistence of the social contract is destroying a lot of business opportunity.

      Other regulations which are ostensibly detrimental to our free market include our nations' laws. In a truly free market it does not make sense to apply law. There is nothing inherently wrong with killing the CEO of your competitor, nor laying anti-personnel mines outside their corporate headquarters. Our inability to do so is a market inefficiency. Companies grow increasingly tired of upholding these social contracts and are becoming vocal.

      "Customers are a finnicky bunch. We could substantially reduce R&D costs if there were overall fewer of them. That we can't just kill them all is a testament to our corrupt notion of a 'free market' - America's markets are not nearly free enough." - Paul Bearer, PhD

      Personally, I don't believe this goes far enough. Many of the customers of these companies are also employees, and staffing costs are one of the biggest drag forces on industry. If we deregulate we could also substantially reduce our burden of production facilities and logistics which conserves resources - killing the customers will alleviate this. Since most consumers are employees then the removal of one naturally removes the other. By removing these nonsense laws surrounding workplace safety we can eliminate the need to maintain facilities in a safe manner and solve the problem directly at the source. China remains the world leader in workplace deaths and we seemingly have just given up trying to compete with them. This will have dire consequences for our economy.

      By eliminating law we also reduce the sizes of legal departments. Lawyers continue to be a drag on both time and capital. We need fewer lawyers, which is an issue we already know the American people will get behind. This can be the catalyst we need to realize a true "free market".

    29. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet cnn's coverage of sanders was one reason I voted for him. Nice try to try to muddle things though, and that quote about hillary doesn't pass the smell test, so please provide a link.

      A lot of this can be reduced to this, If a politician says the press regularly is the enemy of the people, then that politician is the true enemy of the people. It doesn't get more complicated than that folks. There are no exceptions.

      Sure press can be corrupt, but those are specific examples not the entire set as a whole the way Trump often portrays it. (Basically anyone that does negative reporting him on his the enemy.) Even fox news has real journalists and reporters. They are not the enemy of the people, though a case could be made for Hannity, but he is not a journalist. He is a talking head/actor/bs artist like the president.

      There is nothing more dangerous to a democracy than propaganda and the destruction of the free press. We are living in that time, and no bullshit you cough up about Hillary changes that. External threats don't destroy a strong country. Internal ones do, hence all the Russian effort to foster those threats and divisions.

      Trump is actively doing his part to destroy the very foundations of our democracy. It is unforgivable and I don't give a fuck if that is not his primary goal. He is doing it. The sin falls at his door and the door of all who aided him.

    30. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fine though, The Right knows what's best for America. We should trust them, even if our system is rigged to ensure their victory, America wins when they win.

    31. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who voted for vatnik retard Trump get what they deserve.

    32. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wishful thinking at its finest.

    33. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are totally and completely fucking insane

      Obama as "right wing"

    34. Re:He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all of that is moot since Donald Trump and the Republican party sold out the country to Russia.

    35. Re: He'll get it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't read your post, but saw "Paul Bearer" and thought of The Undertaker.

    36. Re:He'll get it too by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Even fox news has real journalists and reporters."

      The credibility of CNN is on par with Fox News these days, which is very sad. Gone are the days where very credible sounding straw men for right/conservative sides of the coin are presented alongside solid reasoning for left spin corporatism (as opposed to fox right spin corporatism) in order to make the better educated believe they were presented reasonably unbiased information and reached their own conclusion.

      Now it isn't much different than Fox, everything a plea to emotion designed to stir up the rapid choir that is their base. Queue another fake Hitler youth style camp from the border or pronouncement of Trump as a dictator before he was even sworn in. Sorry, that crap is no better than the birther nonsense.

  2. So? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In a filing to the Supreme Court, the Trump administration said the question for the court was "whether the now-superseded 2015 order was invalid because it exceeded the FCC's statutory authority, was arbitrary and capricious, was promulgated without adequate public notice, or violated the First Amendment."

    Sounds like they want clarification on how, exactly, the FCC fucked up so they can use that against them in the future.

    1. Re:So? by Desler · · Score: 2

      Then why would they go to the Supreme Court? Congress dictates the authority of the FCC. Also, the courts alreay ruled the FCC did have the authority

    2. Re:So? by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sounds like they want clarification on how, exactly, the FCC fucked up so they can use that against them in the future.

      Sounds to me like they want to get a ruling to prevent the next liberal "rule by fiat" President from simply reinstating the same rules by fiat. If the FCC can point to a SCOTUS decision that said they shouldn't have created rules outside their scope of authority when President Next issues his Executive Order putting them back, then we can avoid the executive branch politicization of this legislative branch football.

    3. Re:So? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yes. This is what I was alluding to.

    4. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crediting the current administration with any amount of actual foresight is a fool's errand.

    5. Re:So? by mi · · Score: 1

      Because, whether or not the FCC exceeded the authority given to it by Congress, is up to the Court to decide.

      Independently, Congress may choose to give it additional authority or strip some. But this will only affect validity of future FCC actions.

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    6. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds to me like they want to get a ruling to prevent the next liberal "rule by fiat"

      Say, did you know that Donald Trump has signed more executive orders in the first 20 months of his presidency that Barack Obama did in his first two years?

      If you don't like "rule by fiat", then you should really be uncomfortable with the degenerate Trump regime.

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    7. Re:So? by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      The telecoms are fighting furiously to contain the newly found grip, and additionally get those pesky states who've passed neutrality laws to just go away and leave them alone.

      This is a battle with telecom $$ campaign contributions and therefore funded US Justice Dept goading the SCOTUS to see it their way (that is, their friends, the telecoms), and pay back their benefactors, 'cause this sure isn't going to benefit the citizenry.

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    8. Re:So? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Many of the same people continue to be upset by it, even if we enjoy the laments by some who liked it under Obama in the shoe is on the other foot aspect of it.

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    9. Re:So? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Congress hadn't envisioned such a massive chunk of the economy to be pulled under regulatory control when it didn't exist at the time.

      That's all some ask, regardless of the proposed value of the control. Regulators should not do it without express Congressional instruction.

      Having said that, Congress has gotten its wish to hide from the political fallout of such things by turning all lawmaking over to the executive branch.

      They do very little other than hide political favors in giant omnibus bills for millionths of a penny on the dollar.

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    10. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many of the same people continue to be upset by it,

      They sure are quiet about their disapproval. Who are these mythological Republicans who are now uncomfortable with Trump's rule by fiat?

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    11. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Trumpers are both unacquainted with reality and unencumbered by shame. Theirs is a world where a tan suit is outrageous but orphaned and sexually abused children are no biggie.

    12. Re:So? by mi · · Score: 1

      Your rant has nothing relevant to the GP's question: why is the Court, rather than Congress, asked to decide on whether FCC exceeded its authority before.

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    13. Re:So? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Congress can reverse any regulation at whim. Haha they won't because theh are largely cowards.

      But there was a recent case where someone tried to stop such an action by Congress claiming they didn't follow some regulatory administrative procedures, and the court slapped it right down because Congress doesn't have to.

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    14. Re:So? by Orgasmatron · · Score: 0, Troll

      It was never about the orders, it was about orders that exceeded constitutional authority. Obama is still the reigning king of 0-9 Supreme Court losses, and will be until at least 2025.

      I find it hard to believe that a human being intelligent enough to press the buttons in the right order to spell words actually thought that half of the country was upset about the form of the orders rather than their content.

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    15. Re:So? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The telecoms, through their proxy-- the administration-- are fighting this, NOT CONGRESS. Several individual states have created their own net neutrality statutes, some of which are pretty lame, but an attempt, nonetheless-- something that Congress (also plentifully funded with campaign contributions from telcos) has also failed to surmount.

      Follow the money. The money is spent by telcos, and it's not for consumers, it's for plentiful returns to stockholders and Wall Street. Follow the money. The Executive Branch does not have your best interests at heart.

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    16. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It was never about the orders

      I know that. You know that. We all know that it was all about skin color.

      Oh, and by the way, DACA is back in business.

      http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

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    17. Re:So? by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter the number. What matters is the substance and what the executive order does. If it bypasses Congress to do something the President wants that Congress has refused to work with then that is an overreach of executive authority. That is very different than a proclamation of intent. If a E.O. undo past executive overreach than I don't see it as big as an issue than the original E.O. being undone.

      I hope you can tell the difference. Bypassing congress bad. Working within Constitutional Executive authority good.

    18. Re:So? by meglon · · Score: 0, Troll

      I find it hard to believe that a human being intelligent enough to press the buttons in the right order to spell words actually thought that republicans even knew what was in Obama's executive orders; all they seemed to know was his skin color.

      Fixed that for you. Obama signed 276 EO's. With only 9 overturned by a stacked conservative court, i'd say that's pretty damn good. And yes, it was all about him doing things by EO's, unless of course, you think that all the republicans saying exactly that were lying for 8 years when they said it.

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    19. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrat and liberal, Obama wa wrong to do it.

    20. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Troll

      I hope you can tell the difference. Bypassing congress bad. Working within Constitutional Executive authority good.

      Barack Obama signed over 275 executive orders. Nine of them got overturned. So, it looks like he was good at Constitutional Executive Authority.

      I have to ask though, do you believe a president has the "Constitutional Executive authority" to declare a $100 billion tax cut?

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...

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    21. Re:So? by jrumney · · Score: 2

      No, Trump just wants the court to declare an Obama era order unconstitutional so he can rant about it on Twitter.

    22. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But it's ok for the next conservative "rule by fiat" president? The problem with this sort of politics is that the tools you use to hold back the opposition party will inevitably be used to hold your party back in the future. The parties need to stop acting like they're in a war against each other and start working together for the people instead.

    23. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 0

      Jeff Flake, John McCain, Ben Sasse, the two Koch brothers, none of whom seem mythical.

    24. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fixed that for you. Obama signed 276 EO's. With only 9 overturned by a stacked conservative court, i'd say that's pretty damn good. And yes, it was all about him doing things by EO's, unless of course, you think that all the republicans saying exactly that were lying for 8 years when they said it.

      That doesn't seem a crazy number, though undoubtedly he grew frustrated at the lack of action by congress and pushed things a little. I don't think he was too out of line, but a little sure. Basically you had a congress that was pretty useless save for the first couple years, and he tried to get things done anyway. Each branch can work around the others failing, but only to a limited extent.

      I think it is appropriate for the supreme court to take up any controversial case, I just wish we had a better staffed one. If you think about the constitution and try to consider original intent, then I think it supports the idea of network neutrality.

      Think about the commerce clause, freedom of speech and the right to bear arms together. First the commerce clause gives the federal government the right to regulate interstate trade and the internet can be viewed as interstate trade of non tangible goods. Second freedom of speech is mostly about the government not coming after you, however if presupposed that an environment must exist where people can communicate freely. If you lock down the internet you may loose that. Third, the right to keep and bear arms says is about defending your country with a well regulated militia, and it presupposes said militia might need arms to do its job. Nowadays, physical threats aren't really too bad, but there is more than one way to defend your country. It can also be done with a pen or a keyboard, to defend debate and the free flow of ideas. Net neutrality going away risks that.

    25. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jeff Flake, John McCain, Ben Sasse, the two Koch brothers, none of whom seem mythical.

      Three retiring senators that are hated by their own party and a pair of oligarchs.

      It's not a very robust group of resisters to the Trump regime from the conservative sphere, now is it? I'd be more impressed if you could name someone who was actually running for re-election.

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    26. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crediting the current administration with any amount of actual foresight is a fool's errand.

      Yep they are complete boobs, that are continuously able to outwit you lot and do things you say are impossible.

    27. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "rule by fiat" President

      Isn't that redundant? Within the realm of checks and balances, that's what the US President is supposed to do. It's what the current one is doing, it's what the next one will do.

    28. Re:So? by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds to me like they want to get a ruling to prevent the next liberal "rule by fiat"

      Say, did you know that Donald Trump has signed more executive orders in the first 20 months of his presidency that Barack Obama did in his first two years?

      If you don't like "rule by fiat", then you should really be uncomfortable with the degenerate Trump regime.

      Wow

      20 months vs 2 years ? Any reason you felt the need to change units there ? 20 months vs 24 makes it much easier to see the difference. Though it doesn't sound nearly as impressive.

      Gotta ask before you posted that did you do any checking about the nature of the EOs ? I mean just how many were undoing previous EOs ?

      Seems this would important to make the point you are trying to unless you are just looking to troll.

    29. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL nahh they weren't invited on the Lolita express with Bill Clinton and Epstein.

    30. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And pope loses the argument by resorting to racism. Better luck next time.

    31. Re:So? by whit3 · · Score: 2

      Congress hadn't envisioned such a massive chunk of the economy to be pulled under regulatory control ... That's all some ask, regardless of the proposed value of the control. Regulators should not do it without express Congressional instruction.

      Don't be silly. The purpose of an FCC is to make a variety of rules in a timely fashion for a public purpose, without the cumbersome (and often contentious) process of partisan lawmaking. The public purpose (improving communication) is why the Constitution put navigable waterways, post roads, and post offices, fully in the federal (not state or municipal) authority. It's as old a principle as the Constitution (indeed, older: the US Postmaster was established before the Constitution was written). The country has grown since we established a postmaster, and since the Constitution, and since we made the FCC. So what? There's no expiration time or size limit involved. The FCC ought not to ignore the 'proposed value of the control'; that's a statutory requirement,. And Congress, while it can unmake the FCC or modify its rules, is a poor tool for doing a fine adjustment: that's why regulation was outsourced to an expert group. Congress and the President already defined FCC regulatory scope, back when that commission was formed; reformalizing that scope is going to take the same two-houses-of-Congress and a Presidential signature as the original telecommunications act (and we haven't seen that happen recently).

    32. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still waiting for Trump to walk more than a block without the aid of a golf cart, forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

    33. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Troll

      20 months vs 2 years ? Any reason you felt the need to change units there ? 20 months vs 24 makes it much easier to see the difference.

      You may be right. I should not have assumed that Trump supporters could figure out that 20 months is less than 2 years.

      And the reason I changed units is because Trump hasn't been president for two years yet, but Obama was president for eight. Trump's time in office is often spoken of in terms of months and Obama's is only spoken of in years. I suppose I could have said, "1 year and eight months vs 2 years", but again, I'd probably lose the Trump supporters.

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    34. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your rant has nothing relevant to the GP's question: why is the Court, rather than Congress, asked to decide on whether FCC exceeded its authority before.

      Because Congress only writes the laws, it's the Courts that interpret and apply them.

    35. Re:So? by meglon · · Score: 2, Informative

      For as much bitching and whining that republicans did, Obama actually signed fewer EO's than any other 8 year president going back to Ulysses Grant (1869-1877). On a yearly average, which is a better measure, Obama's average is less than any president since Grover Cleveland (1885-1889). Trump, on the other hand, is on pace to match in 4 years what it took Obama 8 years to sign.

      And to be even more correct, a number of Obama's EO's were drafted and signed AFTER republicans told him to go ahead and do it to fix a problem because they couldn't, or wouldn't, fix them.

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    36. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many claims. No citations. Must be lies.

    37. Re:So? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      oh don't be so numerically challenged.

      1 2/3 years vs 2 years
      or given that you're young
      1.66 years vs 2 years

      But then again seeing as you are picking this up from what other people have to say

      Trump's time in office is often spoken of in terms of months and Obama's is only spoken of in years

      Expecting a considered and meaningful opinion may be a bit much.

      BTW Apropos of nothing "Animal Farm" is a good read especially the sheep

    38. Re:So? by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      This isn't Trump's idea; telecom lawyers are responsible.

    39. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama set the new standard.
      You can't complain about trump using it too.

      Or you're just a hypocrite. And we're done listening to you. Get it?

      No... no you dont.

    40. Re:So? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The FCC ought not to ignore the 'proposed value of the control'

      I'm sure they're thinking very hard about it.

      The question is are we talking about the value to consumers, to the public as a whole, or to the telcos?

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    41. Re:So? by Straif · · Score: 2

      That's because Obama preferred the use of Presidential Memos instead of EOs and despite having the same legal authority of an EO (though few of the reporting requirements) the press and the "fact checkers" who have the research ability of a squirrel with ADD when it comes to digging into anything Obama related, made sure to only counts EOs when any question of his use of the 'phone and pen' were questioned.

      Obama in 2 years: EOs = 74, PMs = 139
      Trump in 20 months: EOs 76, PMs = 42

      And just for comparison:
      Obama 8 years: EOs = 276, PMs = 644
      Bush 8 Years: EOs = 290, PMs = 7

      There are also a few other Presidential documents that act similarly to EOs but they tend to be in the low double digits for all Presidents so not really worth counting.

      And as people have already mentioned, not all EOs and PMs are created equal. They are supposed to be used to further clarify existing laws or express how the President would like certain powers granted to him to be executed, or for mundane things like declaring some random day special or bestowing special honors on someone. Obama routinely used them to bypass congress altogether and just write new laws that didn't exist. Not only is that unconstitutional but as we've all seen since Trump arrived (since several of his EOs are expressly to counter Obama's), a terrible way to govern as anything done by EO can be erased by EO.

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    42. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's trickier. They're all cowards if they're running for reelection. They act as if this is their only career possibility, probably they lack real world skills, so they'll kiss whatever is necessary to keep the job. Most think that it's more important to show party unity than to stand by their ideals or use their brain. This applies to most parties not just the one.

    43. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Most think that it's more important to show party unity than to stand by their ideals or use their brain.

      This isn't even party unity (or ideological unity). It's merely fealty to a degenerate bully, because secretly, being a Republican means yearning to be dominated by a daddy. That's why Putin is so popular.

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    44. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    45. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice make believe you have going on:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

      Many of the âoeoverturnedâ (9j the cases started under bush and didnâ(TM)t get heard until in Obamaâ(TM)s term.
      https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/29/bob-goodlatte/gop-leader-supreme-court-has-ruled-13-times-obama-/

      And most of the rest had nothing to do with an EO.

      Stop repeating fake news,

    46. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More orders in 20/24 months? Oh no, that's almost... 20% more...
      But keep in mind most of Trump's initial orders, and even many orders to this day, were simply "undo what Obama did in his order". Do those really count?

    47. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress hadn't envisioned such a massive chunk of the economy to be pulled under regulatory control when it didn't exist at the time.

      Perhaps, but they also have taken no action to reverse that, which they obviously could if they were so inclined. Their lack of action on the matter is an action in its own right.

    48. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... unless of course, you think that all the republicans saying exactly that were lying for 8 years when they said it.

      You have to admit, it's not that hard to believe that Republicans would lie so extensively.

    49. Re:So? by 1ucius · · Score: 1

      Not really....The goverment is arguing the issue is moot. That is, none of this matters because the rule no longer exists.

      For what it's worth, this also goes to the court's power. One of the important limits on the judicial power is that it can only decide actual cases i.e., the outcome would matter to someone.

    50. Re:So? by 1ucius · · Score: 1

      Not quite a "whim." In general, Congress would need to pass legislation, and the President would have to sign it. That isn't trivial in our system (though there is an easier process for very recent rules).

  3. USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Germany here. This kind of ... well ... dictating, is when our government back then crossed the line into a dictatorship.
    Like with an event horizon, you aren't aware you crossed it, at the time of it happening. But later on, you realize that this was the point where you would have had to stop it or die trying.

    So please take care of yourselves over there. Especially the convenient scapegoat fringe groups. Don't believe what you are being told about "communists/socialists/democrats/republicans/libertarians/muslims/christians/jews".

    1. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah okay

    2. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Germany here. This kind of ... well ... dictating, is when our government back then crossed the line into a dictatorship. Like with an event horizon, you aren't aware you crossed it, at the time of it happening. But later on, you realize that this was the point where you would have had to stop it or die trying. So please take care of yourselves over there. Especially the convenient scapegoat fringe groups. Don't believe what you are being told about "communists/socialists/democrats/republicans/libertarians/muslims/christians/jews".

      yeah okay

      See, that right there is the same smug and complacent attitude that led to Auschwitz, Sobibór, Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Gross-Rosen, Neuengamme, ... but don't let those examples stop you from travelling down that road again.

    3. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only a dictatorship if you read/believed Slashdot's changing the story of filing of a legal case with the Supreme Court to "telling the Supreme Court" to do something.

      It was the word "tell" that made me read the article. Good clickbait. Bad reporting.

    4. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This.

      Authoritarianism can work on anybody. Anybody. All it takes is the following:

      1. Make the population afraid, angry, or confused about something.
      2. Present yourself as the only way to solve the problem.

      Sound familiar?

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    5. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not even know your own history kraut. Sad.

    6. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      They filed an appeal to an ongoing court cause which they are a party to. This is bog-standard lawyering.

      How does that have anything to do with dictatorship, or dictating anything?

      At most, the Supreme Court might decide to take the appeal and dictate an opinion to give their results.

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    7. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      his kind of ... well ... dictating, is when our government back then crossed the line into a dictatorship

      There are multiple paths that lead back to feudalism and while everything you said is spot-on, it should be mentioned that, on average, you guys are quite a bit farther down your path than we are ours.

    8. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      This particular move isn't dictatorship yet. He's asking, not telling. If he instructed them to do so, that would be dictatorship. If they tell him no, and he has some of them imprisoned or killed, that'll be dictatorship.

      With that said, every time Trump says Fake News, I hear Hitler say Lugenpresse

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    9. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by mark-t · · Score: 2

      Theoretically, this can be reset in no more than 6 and a half years.

      Of course, what's left of the country by that point may not be worth resetting.

    10. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is sad to see the US has fallen so low, but it is the truth. This brief experiment in fascism with obesity failed yet leaves damage. Even when Trump is removed and spirited away to Moscow for safe keeping, the systemic damage (which was Putin's goal) remains.

    11. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You still don't get it. Those examples are their goal.

    12. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada here. Praying we're not the next Poland...

    13. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Informative

      The whole Trump is a Nazi thing is so played out. And yet there is no shortage of people willing to beat that drum. Obama started this tradition of ruling by decree instead of democratically, and yet we never heard a peep out of you then.

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    14. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The orange faced buffoon will be out of office on Jan 20, 2020 (or Jan 20, 2024 at the absolute latest).

      If he refuses to go peacefully, then maybe you can start helping millions of us sneak into Mexico and Canada.

    15. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Because of a shitty headline. Hell, even TFS says *ASKED*.

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    16. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Germany here. This kind of ... well ... dictating, is when our government back then crossed the line into a dictatorship. Like with an event horizon, you aren't aware you crossed it, at the time of it happening. But later on, you realize that this was the point where you would have had to stop it or die trying.

      So please take care of yourselves over there. Especially the convenient scapegoat fringe groups. Don't believe what you are being told about "communists/socialists/democrats/republicans/libertarians/muslims/christians/jews".

      He filed an appeal in a court case.

      Do get a grip.

    17. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      No "Germany". What was done with legal "rules" in the past can be changed with new rules now.
      The US federal government got a lot of NN rules under one government to enforce the way it wanted NN to work politically.
      The next US government can change the same federal rules.

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    18. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's part and parcel of the propaganda campaign against anything that opposes the shadow government. Witness the useful idiots who have been programmed to attack every single thing Trump does, as well as any who so much as agrees with him on any topic.

    19. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > while everything you said is spot-on

      No, it wasn't even close to "spot-on". It was a wildly inflammatory commentary that distorted facts to fit a badly formed narrative.

    20. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > See, that right there is the same smug and complacent attitude that led to Auschwitz, Sobibór, Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Gross-Rosen,

      There's the fearmongering tactics being used by the "opposition". It's not a bad tactic, when you learn to adopt it from who you dislike.

    21. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah ...

      That's so cute, you think the USA is a democracy. You know what they say: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

      Americans can't vote for socialism; that's anti-democratic.

      Fox News and the NRA omits truth and slanders reputation; that's anti-informed-consent.

      Politicians take money from corporations; that's conflict of interest and a whisker away from US corruption laws.

      The voting process has been corrupted by the Republican party disenfranchising various ethnicities and gerrymandering.

      Politicians dis-empower legislation and bills, and filibuster debate.

    22. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe A BAD IDEA, to make people confused, angry and marginalized then??

      Those populaces tend to go to extremes.

    23. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless it proceeds rapidly enough to take over enough systems influencing the campaign process and trash all those that can't be taken over before then.

    24. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* another Nazi heard from...

    25. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It is a moot case, the "most" they would do is point that out when declining to take it up.

      There are only two possible results; The Supreme Court says no with a reason, or they say no without a reason.

      It doesn't matter if it would bring clarity to the world to issue a ruling. That isn't how the SCOTUS rolls. The absurdity of this just shows that President Trump has the lawyers completely browbeaten to the point that they'll do crass and unprofessional things with no chance of success, in order to keep their current jobs. Don't be surprised if a few government lawyers are kicked off the SCOTUS bar by the end of his term.

    26. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh? how's that? by the fact they have the healthiest most proportionally representative electoral system in the whole of the Western world?

      Germany's democracy is an example of how things should work - a broad plurality of parties, forced to moderate their views via coalition to be able to gain the support of a majority of the population.

      That working together and moderation is WAY better, and WAY more democratic than countries like the US, UK, which nearly always have rule by dictatorial minority.

      All countries should opt adopt Germany's electoral system above almost any other in the world. The world would be better and way more democratic for it. The fact the German people want things you don't doesn't mean they're further down the path to dictatorship, they're not, they're further from that than almost any other Western nation. To you dictatorship is "If I'm in a minority then everyone else is a dictator", but that's not dictatorship, that's just you being an idiot and WANTING dictatorship that goes your way only.

      Really, the fact you dismiss the US' creeping authoritarianism as "not as bad as those guys" highlights how utterly effective it is, and how many useful idiots there are in the US allowing it to slide into fascism at a disturbingly rapid pace.

      The rest of the world can see it - you need to wake up before it's too late.

    27. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's asking a court that he has stacked in his favour.

      That's how dictatorship works through and through - feigning legitimacy of actions. This is the same way the likes of Putin and Kim Jong Un "win" elections, even though they can never lose them because they're rigged; it doesn't matter because the net effect is the same, rule by dictator.

    28. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      USA. Now officially a dictatorship?

      No. But we DO have a problem with unhinged headline writers using phrases like "Trump administration tells Supreme Court ..." (emphasis mine) in order to make it sound like that's what happened, because that sounds scary and dictatorial. Even the summary corrects the headline (to "asks"), but too many phony hand-wringing screechers will never get past the headline because they know that if they do, it will take the fun out of their narrative.

      If asking a court to revisit some issue makes an administration a dictatorship, then that would make BIll Clinton a dictator, Barack Obama a dictator, and Hillary Clinton (who told us about all sorts of things she was going to use her court-appointing powers to "correct" because she wouldn't have a legislative majority) a would-be dictator. Or, people who write headlines could consider being honest, instead of looking for ways to prop up phony partisan narratives for low-information audiences with no attention span.

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    29. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have a fucked up system.
      its either yes or no. democrats or republicans.
      communism (scary stuff or thats what they aee telling children) or democracy.

      this binary view on things dont work. and us has now oficially pooped its pants.

      and you know what? they are going to fuck it up so much this time that i bet it will be another "never again" like nazis. cos humans as a whole are stupid, especiallywhen you are allowed to feed them lies that now is the new normal. i dont think i have heard anyone fitting the textbook example of pathological lier more than Trump.

    30. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sure does: it sounds like every government the Americans have ever had.

      America is a country where everyone lives in fear, with the least reason to.

    31. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a little late to convince anyone of anything. I'm told regularly of the evils of socialism and communism (words meant to refer to liberals in general) from angry coworkers and friends. They know my political slant - it's practically painted on my skin - so during our discussions, I have to convince them regularly that I'm not a communist; that I'm not their straw-man villain; that I'm not the problem. That's getting harder to do, especially as I secretly approve of "terrorists" like BLM and Antifa. I'm increasingly isolated and fear for my job.

    32. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Tim+Locke · · Score: 1

      If he refuses to go peacefully,

      I thought that was why Americans have the right to bear arms.

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    33. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      It is not fear mongering when it is observable facts. Trump is retarded Hitler an ill Duché

    34. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god damn you are retarded

    35. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Man, your insightful powers of persuasion are impressive! I also really appreciate how you've avoided the tactics used by people who know they don't have any sort of argument to make and thus rely on childish techniques like lazy ad homimen, and instead you went right for the detailed rebuttal complete with examples of why the verbs chosen for headlines have no impact on the meaning of those headlines. Excellent work! Thank you for your contribution.

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    36. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably missed the part where Canada suddenly became a National Security threat and have been taking advantage of America for so long.

    37. Re: USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once Trump puts on military uniform, he'll be 10 for 10 on the "Are you a Dictator" quiz. This isn't some hyperbole, this is for fucking real. He's fucking close.

    38. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by 1ucius · · Score: 1

      >This kind of ... well ... dictating, is when our government back then crossed the line into a dictatorship.

      I'm not sure that word means what you think it does. Making an argument in court is the polar opposite of "dictating."

    39. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Yeah it sounds like the campaign for every politician in every election that's ever occurred. That's like saying: Hitler had a mustache, sound familiar?

    40. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Unless Trump wasn't joking when he praised China's President as follows: "He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."

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    41. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Not without repealing the 22nd amendment. While repealing amendments is possible, it requires 2/3 majority from both houses, which isn't realistically going to happen this term or even the next one.

    42. Re:USA. Now officially a dictatorship? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I definitely don't think Trump stands a realistic chance of becoming President For Life - not without tossing our Constitution out the window which would hopefully result in a huge march on D.C. However, the very fact that he jokes about it like that is concerning. Words matter, especially when you're President of the United States.

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  4. This is to stop the widespread sleep deprivation by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    ... assuming repealing Net Neutrality will lead to less high speed internet use, which is not at all certain.

  5. Re:This is to stop the widespread sleep deprivatio by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

    Actually the players backing the repeal of Net neutrality want you to use the Internet as much as you want But they want to throttle the competition and keep you locked in their pay-walled garden

  6. Ask / Tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A little editorial work done on the title of the post.
    The title and the first line of the linked article: "Trump administration asks Supreme Court "
    Title on Slashdot: "Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court "

    That one-word change is a big difference, suggesting one branch of the gov't telling the other what to do.

    1. Re:Ask / Tell by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's BeauHD, certified piece of shit.

    2. Re:Ask / Tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fair. Only a piece of shit like you could be qualified to certify another.

    3. Re:Ask / Tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's BeauHD, certified piece of shit.

      MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOed sexconker.

    4. Re:Ask / Tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This BeauHD guy seems to post nothing but left-wing anti-Trump nonsense constantly.

  7. LGBT and non-Christian religions BLOCKED! #MAGA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Combined with Sessions religious liberty finally we will be the Christian State that real Americans knew we should always be. Degeneracy will no longer be allowed in America! #MAGA

  8. Have fun with your fascist regime then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Germans wanted it too, at the time. Dumb fuckin' human livestock never learns. The USA is the surviving Nazi regime anyway.

    1. Re: Have fun with your fascist regime then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Booming? I'll believe that when wages go up at the rate of inflation.

    2. Re: Have fun with your fascist regime then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, if you work for minimum wage or in some plebian role, they are not going up - unless there is a wall built to restrict illegals from coming here and living in storage units with 15 other illegals.

      if you have a real job, though, wages have definitely increased except maybe in liberal hell holes like San Francisco, where bums shit in the streets and everyone accepts that as normal for some reason

    3. Re: Have fun with your fascist regime then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like who gives a fuck?

      That's what they said too. Pride before the fall. It's sad, knowing what the U.S could have been.

    4. Re: Have fun with your fascist regime then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the pattern you have to break.

      Five out of the six most recent Republican Presidents increased unemployment during their administrations. The sixth just happened to be an ex-Democrat.

      Four out of the five most recent Democrat Presidents reduced unemployment during their administrations. The fifth pretty much broke even.

      Good luck. Trump is no Reagan.

  9. That's odd... by Pollux · · Score: 0

    What ever happened to separation of powers between the three branches of government?

    Sometimes, I think the White House stocks toilet paper with text of the Constitution printed on it, for the president's private use.

    1. Re: That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL of Washington DC likes ignoring the Constitution when it suits them.

    2. Re:That's odd... by mi · · Score: 2

      What ever happened to separation of powers between the three branches of government?

      What specific event or action has lead you to believe, the Separation is threatened in any way?..

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    3. Re:That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putin's hand up trumps ass while congress sucks on his balls as he gropes the supreme court pussy.

    4. Re: That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JHC, do you not remember basic civics classes, or did you go to some It Takes a Village or bullshit like that school?

      Legislative Branch: makes laws
      Executive Branch: sponsors laws and signs or vetos them. Vetos can be overturned by a sufficient majority of the Legislative Branch.
      Judicial Branch: strikes down, modifies or clarifies laws that have been signed or had overturned vetos.

      What in the hell do you think is happening g here? There was a request for a Judicial review as to whether an organization acted within the parameters of a previous law made by the usual process.

    5. Re:That's odd... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Use of a comma that is so bad that, Oxford-wise, it isn't even wrong.

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    6. Re:That's odd... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Federal rules can be changed. Every government gets to set its own rules.

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    7. Re:That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't really separation. It is supposed to be conflict and work against collusion, but to achieve that, they have to be in each others business. Congress writes the laws the President signs the Court interprets using judges appointed by the President who can be impeached by Congress. That isn't separation at all.

  10. Username by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    checks out.

  11. Don't think he'll get it by russotto · · Score: 1

    No case or controversy; SCOTUS is going to tell the administration not to bother them with this.

  12. End Run Around Free Speech ????? by msmonroe · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe this is an attempt to curb free speech on the internet. You could imagine a broadband company that doesn't like a certain type of content asking an outrageous amount to allow that content access to the fiber. Who could say that legislation couldn't be put in place as financial incentive to allow certain types of content to be allowed on the fiber either. Does that violate free speech? I think it's unclear, free speech is allowed in the scenario, you just have to pay a really high premium.

  13. Democracy IS tyranny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democracy IS tyranny. It is the tyranny of the masses over the thinking minority.

    1. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by Now15 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hence why a exceptionally good education system is necessary for a democracy to endure.

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    2. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by meglon · · Score: 0

      A direct democracy can be, yes. The US doesn't have a direct democracy... we have representatives AND a constitution. This is the problem the right has... they think the constitution (bill of rights) is supposed to give the majority control over the minority. It's not. It's there to protect the minority FROM the tyranny of the majority... so that the rights of EVERYONE are safe from being stripped on a whim.

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    3. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *an

    4. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Hence why a exceptionally good education system is necessary for a democracy to endure.

      Now you understand why it is important to make education expensive.

    5. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by BlueStrat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hence why a exceptionally good education system is necessary for a democracy to endure.

      Educational levels are irrelevant when discussing the fact that pure democracies are a tyranny of the 51% over the 49%.

      It's not any lack of education, it's base human nature that is the fly in the ointment of a direct democracy.

      Those who seriously promote/push the idea of a direct democracy are either woefully under-educated themselves, or they have an ulterior political/ideological motive like social/political disruption of the sort the Russians have been in the news for recently.

      Strat

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    6. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democracy IS tyranny. It is the tyranny of the masses over the thinking minority.

      OK, but since Trump doesn't have the support of the majority you can't really call it Democracy then.

      What would you call it when you have the tyranny of the minority over the thinking masses?

    7. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      It's not any lack of education, it's base human nature that is the fly in the ointment of a direct democracy.

      I should have added that both socialism and communism also fail for the same reason...base human nature. Both socialism and communism are authoritarian by their very nature. Most major life decisions are made by those in power...where you work and at what sort of job, what kind and level of education you receive, where you'll live, how much you will earn, how much food you receive, even how many children you may have.

      Anytime you put people in authority over others without unavoidable and direct consequences for abusing that power, those people placed in authority will generally become increasingly authoritarian, capricious, and cruel as was shown by Milgram's experiment.

      Strat

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    8. Re: Democracy IS tyranny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well it can be expensive but it should be paid by goverment. not the students out of pocket, thats just stupidity.

    9. Re:Democracy IS tyranny by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Hence why a exceptionally good education system is necessary for a democracy to endure.

      Trouble is, what looks like a good system to one set of jokers looks terrible to the other set of clowns, and visa versa.

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  14. SCOTUS is one job where you can tell everyone FU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SCOTUS is one job where you can tell everyone FU!
    They don't take demands.
    They will consider a request by the President.
    I hope they tell him where to stuff it.

    I'm tired of Trump getting into things that aren't his place as President. SCOTUS should work unmolested by the Executive branch.
    Follow the money. Check how much Verizon, AT&T, Cox, Comcast, Frontier, and other data providers gave to Trump and both DNC/RNC.

  15. Yes, it's and End Run Around Free Speech. by MrKaos · · Score: 2

    I believe this is an attempt to curb free speech on the internet.

    That's exactly what it is. Too many people are becoming informed and educating themselves now policy decisions can be made to keep people wasting each others time watching cat vids on facebook whilst education and things important to running a free society are kept inaccessible.

    Your post should be MODed UP instead of down, however that really shows how this is going to work.

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  16. Re:SCOTUS is one job where you can tell everyone F by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Well Trump's added a corporatocrat and an executive power maximalist to the supreme court, so if there's ever a time they'll gleefully take this demand, it's now.

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  17. Heâ(TM)d be better leaving well enough alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of those places where I think itâ(TM)s a lot smarter to shut up and take what youâ(TM)ve already got (not that Trump has any concept of how to actually do this). Say SCOTUS takes the case, then asks why the original rules were done in broad daylight, but the rescission in smoky back rooms with provably fake public comments, then comes back with a ruling saying the FCC did it right in 2015, screwed the pooch fifteen ways from yesterday in 2017, and puts Title II back in effect. Howâ(TM)s them apples?

  18. what a bunch of loonies you people are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How did /. degenerate into such a bunch of loonies so fast, as demonstrated by the posts here? My bet is professional agitators. Probably not Russian but just as nefarious. Anyone who believes the 90% of the posts here that are loony lefty drivel should be ashamed of themselves.

    1. Re:what a bunch of loonies you people are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've looked at some of the repeats in terms of article coverage over time. It definitely seems systematic. Either that or some people make it their life to sleep with a "new slashdot article" alarm set. I'd vote bots but could be people doing it as shift work. With a bit of it, it is necessary to look at accounts that don't tend to intersect on the same articles to expand the identity footprint. But, the sophistication is still low enough to leave it identifiable.

  19. Real jobs wear kilts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is an electrical engineer not a "real job"? I work for Bechtel. I got a whole 0.8% raise this year. That's not a typo. ZERO POINT EIGHT percent. Fuck you, fuck trump, and fuck Bechtel. I've renewed my passport and packed my stuff. I'm outta here.

  20. It was ALWAYS under that regulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet was dealt with under the same regulations, then the rules sunset and the ISPs were no longer under those laws, so the NN laws were put in to cover them. THEY WERE ALWAYS UNDER THOSE RULES.

  21. LOLOL I warned ya... but do you listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NoooooooOOooOoO. Shame, because if any of you had half a brain you'd realize Net Neutrality was an enormous pile of fecal matter.

  22. So point to those who liked it under Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't. You can only point to those who said Obama COULD do it and had some reason. But you HAVE to paint it 100% as "the left's" problem because you're a partisan shithead who hates anyone who isn't in your group.

  23. Trumptards have provided no cites or support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So either THEY were lies and there's no need for evidence to refute them or there's no need for evidence to counter them.

  24. They only hate the tarrifs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But all the other shit? Including the new tax breaks? They LOVE that. Not one hates the executive order stream.

  25. Obama's Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama spent too much time listening to Republicans in his first two years. He should have rammed through everything he could while he had the house and presidency, and appointed his supreme court picks while he could.

    Those days of mutual respect and optimism seem quaint now.

    The Republican objections to his legacy are complete hypocrisy, and the uneducated masses don't seem to care.

  26. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this lunatic will stir as many pots and tear up as many treaties and co tracts he just pissibly can before he is thrown out of that office.
    he is a bafoon and a idiot (or well depending on agenda pretty smart)
    he makes the US look like a laughing stock of countries. Even beats north korea on the tragicomic scale now by leagues.
    i cant understand how americans put up with it. or are the most part of them just plane idiots buying in to that garbage comming out of thats twitter account.

    i dare to bet that when he finally gets thrown out they wont even be able to rent anyone a space in Trump tower even if they pay the tennants to come.

    in the mean time the rest of us will just sit back with beer and popcorn and look at the fars.
    Good luck sorting that out later.

  27. For All You ButtHurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Tell""Ask"

  28. Please support the new bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am going to ask reader of this to do 2 things. First, please read the new bill introduced by Rep. Mike Coffman (R-CO) which was introduced July 17 (https://coffman.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_text_coffman_net_neutrality_bill.pdf). In very plain language, is would ensure the kind of open internet which (I believe) we all want. For anyone who wants net neutrality, this is it as simple and direct as it gets. We should be encouraging support for this bill or one like it.

    The second thing I am going to ask is that you do as I have done and read the Obama era regulations which were repealed. I believe that anyone who actually reads them will understand how those regulations prevent small companies from participating in the market, reduces competition, and slows the expansion of internet services to small markets. These regulations are being used as a political tool and do not ensure and open internet.

    If you actually support net neutrality and are not simply using the issue as a means to engender hate towards Trump and Republicans in general (I know, haters are going to hate), I am begging you to please read these so that we can all get behind legislation which actually fixes the issue.

    1. Re: Please support the new bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coffman is RINO. By opposing trump amazing policies hes trying to gove power to the libs. You are the only ones making division here, since most normal american people support trump and oppose so called net nutrality and power grabs by crooked clinton supporters like Coffman.

  29. America made great again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ending net nutrality has created millions of jobs and angered the libs because it helps regular americans instead of crooked clinton foundation donors. i dont see a downside.

  30. Arguing grammar by mi · · Score: 1

    Use of a comma that is so bad that

    Until you, English-speakers, figure out your own rules for commas, I'm going to stick to the rules of Ukrainian, thank you very much. In particular, denoting a subordinate clause with comma(s) is a must...

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  31. Three equal branches of government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tone of this Slashdot article is that Americans don't have three equal branches of government. Instead we have an unpopular administration, which is bullying an independent judiciary.