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Wells Fargo Says Hundreds of Customers Lost Homes After Computer Glitch (cnn.com)

Hundreds of people had their homes foreclosed on after software used by Wells Fargo incorrectly denied them mortgage modifications. From a report: The embattled bank revealed the issue in a regulatory filing this week and said it has set aside $8 million to compensate customers affected by the glitch. [...] Wells Fargo said the computer error affected "certain accounts" that were undergoing the foreclosure process between April 2010 and October 2015, when the issue was corrected. About 625 customers were incorrectly denied a loan modification or were not offered one even though they were qualified, according to the filing. In about 400 cases, the customers were ultimately foreclosed upon.

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  1. Can Wells Fargo do anything _right_? by technosaurus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They say there is no such thing as bad publicity, but damn. We never should have bailed them out.

  2. Re:Would Rust have prevented this? by cb88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing can prevent the fall of Wells-Fargo...

  3. So odd that the "glitch" always favors the bank by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Almost like it's intentional.....

    1. Re:So odd that the "glitch" always favors the bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wasn't with Wells Fargo, but did try to use the modification program. We did everything right, stayed current on payments. Qualified financially. The bank threw every road block they could at us. "Lost" paperwork multiple times. Denied receiving paperwork, then tried to deny receiving the second attempt. I actually recorded the conversation with the rep confirming it. That piece was magically found, but they continued to stall. Registered mail would some how takes weeks to be acknowledged. In the end, we decided to declare bankruptcy. When the bank received THAT notification all of a sudden we were priority #1. Constant calls to "work something out". Too late. We were done.Turned out to be the best decision we ever made. Had we capitulated, we'd still be digging out of that whole. Every interaction we had with our bank was either antagonistic or blatantly (purposely) incompetent. My only regret is waiting as long as we did, assuming the bank actually wanted to help us. They did not.

  4. 8 million? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "hundreds" of affected home owners, assume minimum 200. That's just $40k each.

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  5. $8 mil / 400 people = $20,000 per forclosure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not enough. Add a zero. The emotional toll of foreclosure on a family is much worse than the financial toll.

  6. One-way street by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's funny how these large-scale "computer glitches" seem to favor the bank and not the consumer.

    They lost homes, and now Wells Fargo is required to pay them each $20,000. If Wells Fargo accidentally put money into my account, do you think they'd settle for me returning dimes on the dollar?

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    1. Re: One-way street by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If they hadn't take a loan they couldn't afford in the first place, they wouldn't have needed a loan mod. Wells Fargo acted horribly, but lesson is not to take loans you can't afford.

    2. Re: One-way street by Geekbot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even worse than that. It wasn't purely a "change in circumstances". Real estate brokers and banks were intentionally colluding to drive up real estate prices to non-sustainable prices (housing bubble) and often times selling people on variable rate mortgages. The banks jacked the rates, the housing bubble crashed. No one could move for a job because they couldn't sell their house. Because they couldn't move they had no way to get a new job if they lost their old one. Then when they forclosed on the homes that they cheated people out of, they wouldn't resell them, instead sitting on them waiting for the market to go up, destroying the value of all the other homes in the neighborhood with a glut of vacant homes. Then the government made us bail them out, so they gave themselves bonuses. All they did is destroy the middle class and the upperwardly moving lower class.
      You can find the wreckage still in many cities in America. You drive through a city like Flint Michigan, you can see homes all collapsing. Someone who didn't know better might wonder why people wouldn't take care of your house. But how are you going to replace a roof when the new roof costs more than the entire house. Maybe more than all the houses on your block.
      At the time people wanted those senior bank managers lynched. A decade later their ravages of the middle class are still around, but there are those that were protected, neighborhoods that weren't affected, adults that were too young to remember. But it's sad. These people destroyed many more lives than 400. Let me tell you, it's hard to move. It's hard to move when it's not your choice. But when you watch your children losing their home, that's something you could never forgive.
      Personally I'd consider bankrupting America as something akin to treason.The idea that they give someone 20k for stealing their home, that's an incredible insult not just from the bank but also by America.

  7. Re: They were already being foreclosed on. by datavirtue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do not qualify for modification if you are behind. I suspect this was part of the way that banks were using to skip out on modifications. Banks would usually ignore the application for as long as they could hoping you would get behind and therefore not qualified...and then there was the tried and true insurance method where they would wait a long time and then demand that you resubmit the whole application again because some of the documentation was incomplete or whatever. Getting a modification was next to impossible because of the stalling techniques and zero oversight.

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  8. Oh, for Pete's sakee. by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't doubt that there was a "computer glitch", but doing what a (do I have to say this?) potentially buggy piece of software tells you to do without question was a business decision.'

    Sure, some programmer made a mistake, because programmers like all humans are fallible. But bank management had a totally wrong-headed approach to doing their jobs.

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  9. Incompetence, not conspiracy by aberglas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Banks hate foreclosures.

    It costs them money to administer, creates lots of bad will, and they rarely get all their money back anyway.

    Much better if the customer pulls through, pays lots of interest, and eventually takes out a second mortgage.

    But how is the computer overriding people? A foreclosure is a big event, handled by moderately senior people, not bank tellers. These people would have reviewed the situation. And yet, Computer Says NO.

    How did they become so bureaucratic that a crappy computer program written by some enterprise IT department can automatically override the judgement of human experts dealing with individual cases.

    That is the real story here.

    1. Re: Incompetence, not conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Banker insiders fucking love foreclosures. It might take a pittance of bank time to administer a foreclosure up front, but they stand to make magnitudes more on the back end, when schlomo buys the distressed property for 75 cents in the dollar, finances improvements, and flips it for 50% profit.

  10. Re: Wells Fargo is full of shit by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if those judges have ever had second thoughts about their decisions, which resulted in taking away people's houses, based on possibly fraudulent statements by banks?

    I'm not an attorney, but I have quite a few good friends who are attorneys. I can answer that for you. For most if not all - nope. They don't care if their decision screwed people over. One of the really bad things about attorneys in the USA is that there is a belief that goes with the job that the system is always right, even when the outcomes are wrong. Some crazy guy sues you unjustly and you have to wipe out your money to defend yourself from it? Lawyers would tell you that the system works. They don't care if it's abused as long as they get paid. And the number one dirty secret of the legal profession is that lawyers always get paid no matter what. In fact, cops will go out of their way to do all kinds of things to help lawyers get paid. If you owe a lawyer money and it goes unpaid long enough, cops are happy to show up at your door and start taking your stuff to sell to get money or to start seizing your paychecks. If someone owes you a big amount of money and won't pay it, good luck trying to get someone (judge, police) to care enough to do anything about it. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But they always make sure that lawyers get paid. I have a friend whose wife went a little crazy and she divorced him. She quit her job to make sure she had no income coming in and hired one of her city's highest priced bulldog female divorce lawyers to represent her. Didn't pay a dime to the lawyer but ran up over $30,000 in legal fees. Her lawyer sued the husband for the entire cost and a sympathetic judge made him pay it. This is why I say that lawyers always get paid. Think about it - a lawyer took a case knowing her client wouldn't pay her because she also knew the system would let her collect from the estranged husband. So no, I can assure you that the vast majority of the judges, if not every single one of them, don't care at all.