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Google Using Chinese Site It Owns To Develop Search Term Blacklist For Censored Search Engine, Says Report (theverge.com)

Google is using search samples from a Beijing-based website it owns to make blacklists for the censored search engine it is developing for China. Google's website 265.com redirects to China's dominant search engine, Baidu, by default, "but Google can apparently see the queries that users are typing in," reports The Verge. From the report: Google engineers are reportedly sampling those search queries in order to develop a list of thousands of blocked websites it should hide on its upcoming search engine in China. Blacklisted results, which include topics like the Tiananmen Square massacre, will result in users seeing a blank page, The Intercept reports. On Baidu, if you search for something less specific, like Taiwan or Xinjiang, you'll get a partial blackout where you can only see tourist information and not politically sensitive news reports. It could be possible that Google is taking a similar tack.

Originally, 265.com was founded in 2003 by Chinese entrepreneur Cai Wensheng, who's also the founder of Chinese beauty app Meitu. Google bought the site in 2008, while it was still operating its search engine within China. Google has essentially been using the site to figure out what Chinese users are searching for since 2008, and now that it is working on an Android search app, it will finally have a use for that data.
The Intercept first reported this news.

63 comments

  1. ethical consistency check: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How many Google employees demanded Google not work on US Military projects that defend the free world?
    Did Google withdraw from those US Military projects?
    How many Google employees demanded Google not work on Chinese government projects to oppress people?
    Has Google withdrawn from Chinese oppression projects?

    Remember: As a one-party-rule Communist nation with a dictator-for-life, EVERYTHING in China is tied to China intelligence and military entities - there's no credible claim that a tool used to spy upon and oppress the Chinese citizenry is NOT associated with Chinese spy agencies and the Chinese military.

    Perhaps Google needs to dump all the H1-B employees and hire a few more patriotic American citizens --- IF there are any patriotic American citizens still willing to work there...

    1. Re: ethical consistency check: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No need to check. Google is ultra left wing. China is their soul mate. They can only dream of having the same level of control in the US their Chinese dictator buddies have in China. The next best thing they got is to black out all the non ultra leftist voices from the web.

      Info wars and Alex were the first, then Candace went, then Tommy. The rest will follow and all these leftist valley run companies will paint a completely twisted picture of reality for their remaining leftist users who will again be shocked and suffer further bouts of explosive diarrhea as they continue to lose elections and be utterly confused by this (and blame Putin) because they dont know anyone who voted conservative.

      1984 comes to real life. Starts at google. Orwell is spinning in his grave.

    2. Re: ethical consistency check: by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Orwell is spinning in his grave.

      Actually, his ghost is saying "I told you so!"

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    3. Re: ethical consistency check: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Censor me nit thee. Google. Hypocrite.

    4. Re: ethical consistency check: by lgw · · Score: 1

      Info wars and Alex were the first, then Candace went, then Tommy. The rest will follow and all these leftist valley run companies will paint a completely twisted picture of reality for their remaining leftist users who will again be shocked and suffer further bouts of explosive diarrhea as they continue to lose elections and be utterly confused by this (and blame Putin) because they dont know anyone who voted conservative.

      Alex Jones was the canary. He was unpeopled in a very Stalin style, being removed from almost everything resembling social media in one day, in a coordinated effort across a dozen companies. They even nuked his linkedin page. (For some reason, Twitter of all places didn't ban him, which I find quite confusing).

      He certainly won't be the last.

      I think it's time for a Digital Bill of Rights, protecting freedom of speech, religion, and free assembly on corporate sites, not just government. Living with most of the worlds communication platforms controlled from a few square miles near SF will end in tears.

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    5. Re:ethical consistency check: by comodoro · · Score: 1

      Sorry, are the questions (rhetorical, I suppose) meant to be answered positively or negatively? Because I really do not know how, AFAIK Google did not renew its US military contract and went out of China a long time ago. Then again, it did not pull out of the contract immediately and now allegedly develops censored search engine... I agree that anything big in China is under control or at least silent consent of the communist party. But I am not sure how patriotic - you probably mean nationalist - employees could help.

    6. Re: ethical consistency check: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But most of those "Progressive" employees are in management, HR, "design", etc. Most of the highly skilled programmers who built Google were liberturdians - and they've all departed for less repressive companies.

      Google is totally dependent on H1-B slaves to keep the engines running. Take away Google's H1-B slaves and the site will come crashing down.

  2. Re: I smell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're slipping. I thought he was going to be impeached and sent to jail. Now he's in the 2020 election. Get it together, man.

  3. This shouldn't even be legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to give Google the corporate death penalty. Destroy all companies that help support dictatorships.

    1. Re:This shouldn't even be legal by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Time to give Google the corporate death penalty. Destroy all companies that help support dictatorships.

      Nah, it's all good.

      Just have Hillary give the Chinese a 'reset button'.

      Problem solved!

      (Can't wait to see how bad the translation of the label on *this* 'reset button' is, it's sure to be even more hilarious than the Russian version, LOL!)

      Strat

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    2. Re:This shouldn't even be legal by Njovich · · Score: 1

      "Destroy all companies that help support dictatorships"

      So that would be the entire fortune 500? I think China would be pretty happy with that.

    3. Re:This shouldn't even be legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly

  4. Segfault by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else's brain segfault while parsing the headline? In other words: Segfault Brain: Yours Did, asks commenter questioninglyish.

    1. Re:Segfault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try MONOPOLY. If Google got 10 years of country search terms, how could there be competition going forward.
      Google spun this as a win-win deal, and it it follows Alphabet got a new tax free revenue leg - in theory - because foreign business in China rarely makes it big. We will see what the EU says.

    2. Re:Segfault by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Anyone else's brain segfault while parsing the headline?

      Actually, I parsed it right the first time.

      What luck.

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    3. Re:Segfault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just yours. The rest of us are fluent in English.

    4. Re:Segfault by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "Anyone else's brain segfault while parsing the headline?"

      Same.

      If Google really intends to censor search results like China wants them to, why don't they just ask the government what to censor rather than use the convoluted means the headline and quotes seem to be implying.

  5. You sure the main site wasn't the prototype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that google.com itself wasn't the prototype. Those of us who use the other search engines know how... opinionated the results are. To the point where when I'm searching for something very specific, I can't find it but it's a first page result on other engines.

    I used them before they had their own domain name, but they're too manipulated now by people who care about things other than whether or not I can find the information I'm looking for.

    1. Re:You sure the main site wasn't the prototype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the point where when I'm searching for something very specific, I can't find it but it's a first page result on other engines.

      Care to share with the rest of us just what that very specific thing was?

    2. Re:You sure the main site wasn't the prototype? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      A life. The other search engines just tell you to go get one; Google wants to suck the life and data out of you, thus it doesn't want you to find what you're looking for.

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    3. Re:You sure the main site wasn't the prototype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Threatening district attorneys and others with blackmail and physical harm is breaking laws and isn't a good life for you Khyber https://slashdot.org/comments.... considering you're a known admitted felon recidivist mentalcase drunk drug addict.

  6. Google's former motto: "Don't Be Evil" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess that's an "inconvenient truth".

    Google is a despicable capitalist corporation that eats up people like you and shits out perfumed turds.

    Don't Be Evil

    1. Re:Google's former motto: "Don't Be Evil" by jaredm1 · · Score: 2

      They dropped the motto for this type of reason... Now it’s free to pursue money and power unemcumbered.

    2. Re:Google's former motto: "Don't Be Evil" by lgw · · Score: 1

      Their motto has always been "Don't, be evil".

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  7. 265.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes, China's famous Office 365 knockoff, Office 265, with 72% uptime

    1. Re:265.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Up until they get their hands on the source for Docs and Gmail, and pagerank, after which Google will find itself with a nice new competitor.

      It will be necessary to hire plenty of Chinese nationals in China for this. Some of them will be good, honest workers. Some will be government plants. Any IP Google thinks it holds in secret will not remain so for long.

      There is a pattern to this. It has been seen before.

    2. Re: 265.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google was tiny in China even when it was allowed.

      Their translations also suck ass compared to Chinese sites translations, so even English searches would be mostly useless for Chinese information.

      Google already missed its chance in search. Now it's about advertising in other ways.

  8. So no more by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tibet
    Tiananmen Square protests and the date1989.
    No mention of the June 4 incident.
    No Gang of Four https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Thats some might fine freedom of speech for a US brand....
    Not going to find two term limit.
    No searching for 1984, Brave New World, Personality cult, emperor’s reign, ascend the throne. No yellow gown.
    Nothing on a third consecutive term, continued rule.
    Communism bringing censorship to a US brand for every user.

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    1. Re:So no more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WIkipedia was not blocked in China when I was last there 6 months ago, and there didn't seem to be any restrictions on discussing the Gang of Four.

    2. Re:So no more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thats some might fine freedom of speech for a US brand....

      Google doesn't give a shit about freedom of speech. They (via Youtube) were part of the coordinated, multi-platform purge of Alex Jones.

      They also refuse to work with the US government but happily work for the Chinese government.

      Ideologically Google is closer to a Chinese brand than a US brand.

    3. Re:So no more by _merlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They block zh.wikipedia.org but allow en.wikipedia.org - Chinese-language sites are more restricted than English-language ones (it's implemented as a TCP blackhole on the IP addresses, DNS lookup works fine).

    4. Re:So no more by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Funny

      Google doesn't give a shit about freedom of speech. They (via Youtube) were part of the coordinated, multi-platform purge of Alex Jones.

      Freedom of speech is about preventing censorship by the government (meaning: the stuff that China for example is doing), it's does not mean that private corporations cannot choose which content they allow on their platforms. In other words: no-one is limiting Alex Jones' freedom of speech by blocking them from their platforms as his nonsensical bullshit is deemed damaging to their brand(s). That's the free market at work for you. Arguing otherwise is like saying that if I write a column on how the moon landings were all faked by the lizard-illuminati-freemasons and newspapers refuse to publish said column because it's unscientific conspiratorial BS my freedom of speech is being limited, which is a moronic argument.

      So once again, repeat after me: private entities are not required by law in any western country to allow anyone to use their platform to spread their opinions.

      How this can be so hard for some people to understand is beyond me.

      They also refuse to work with the US government but happily work for the Chinese government.

      If you have evidence that Google has refused to follow the laws of the US, I'd be interested to see that. What I've gathered as a European following the events in the recent years, it seemed pretty clear to me that all the major tech companies were involved with the security apparatus of the US, based on the information leaked by Snowden, and I also do not remember seeing cases where Google wouldn't provide the authorities with required information when they're legally required to do so, so frankly I have no idea what you're referring to here, but then again neither do you probably, as you're not even aware of the definition of free speech.

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  9. Tiananmen Square massacre - BAD by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tiananmen Square heroic tank maneuvers... GOOD!

    Foxconn suicides - BAD.
    Foxconn dormitory attached trampolines... GOOD!

    VPN how-to - BAD.
    Loving government monitoring for citizens’ protection... GOOD!

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  10. Evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The staunch free-market capitalists should have no issue with this. Sometimes (often?) freedom gets in the way of profits.

    1. Re:Evil? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      I agree. If you look for the causes behind most unrest in the world, economic profiteering is bound to come up.

  11. And the others? Yahoo and Bing bent over already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's time for everyone to stop bending over for China. Instead of helping them develop even more effective methods of oppression, the rest of the world should stand together and disconnect China from the internet. If they cannot play by the rules (not murdering people), they should not be allowed to play.

  12. Would it be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...stating the obvious to say that Google are a bunch of cunts?

    1. Re: Would it be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us have known that before they went public. Google has not changed one iota since founding. Only the public perception is more accurate now.

  13. Sleeping with the enemy by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    Can almost see Google in a VW rolling down the street with fanta in hand, stack of holerith cards in the trunk snapping kodaks for the AP.

  14. Fucking Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They love to shit all over the US, such as not working on AI for military projects, but they are sure as hell happy to work on a search engine to censor ordinary citizens in China.

    Seriously, Google has lost their way and deserves to die a slow death because of it.

  15. Re:And the others? Yahoo and Bing bent over alread by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's time for everyone to stop bending over for China. Instead of helping them develop even more effective methods of oppression, the rest of the world should stand together and disconnect China from the internet.

    Then they disconnect themselves from the Treasury Bill Auction and cash in their T-Bills.

    Gotta do something about that balance of payments and/or the national debt if we want our great-great-great grandchildren to finally escape being held hostage in that way.

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  16. Re:I wonder what Sarah has to say about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pfft. Chinese donations go to Democrats [publicintegrity.org] (along with their spies, apparently [zerohedge.com]) so they're the Good Guys.

    Maybe Mueller can add the DNC/China collusion to his foreign collusion investigation.

    Seems rather suspicious that the FBI is spending so much time on Trump/Russia collusion with _still_ no evidence that the Trump campaign actually colluded (a meeting where the FBI themselves said nothing happened is not collusion) when there's clear proof that the DNC and HRC not only colluded, but also accepted campaign contributions from the Chinese.

  17. Do it in a backhanded way. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Google engineers are reportedly sampling those search queries in order to develop a list of thousands of blocked websites it should hide on its upcoming search engine in China. Blacklisted results, which include topics like the Tiananmen Square massacre, will result in users seeing a blank page, The Intercept reports. On Baidu, if you search for something less specific, like Taiwan or Xinjiang, you'll get a partial blackout where you can only see tourist information and not politically sensitive news reports. It could be possible that Google is taking a similar tack [sic]

    I almost think this is better. Allow the search to run, but just show a blank page. Baidu's results give the impression "this is all there is to see, everything is fine". Google giving a blank page says essentially "we can't show you this" (without getting them in hot water by, like, displaying a message stating that). Google isn't breaking any laws because they are not showing any "politically sensitive" pages, but they are making it very obvious something is missing.

  18. Stop BeauHD ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For fucks sake, who the fuck is this BeauHD retard kiddie !??!
    Is this what Slashdot turned into?!
    Fuuuuuuck!

    Just look at his sig ...fucking cretin....which is way better than his comments anyway.
    I mean this retard gets stories submitted and at the same time moderated -1 on all his comments

    ^xXxXx^_[BeauHD]_^xXxXx^
    s.e.n.i.o.r -=- e.d.i.t.o.r

  19. Coming to America and the EU soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything that doesn't conform to the way 'elites' (political bureaucrats) want you to think WILL be banned, as 'hate' speech or some other easily misused word.

  20. Real Shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real shame is there are Chinese who do use VPNs to bypass the Great Wall but it's not always trivial to know what the latest censored material the government doesn't want you to know about. Instead of using their technology to build a tool to try to compete against baidu--hint, they'll fail to ever obtain any sort of dominance precisely because they're not under China's control--they could introduce a Chinese-friendly tool to only produce censored content and especially to provided trending/new terms.

    Of course, that'd make good long-term business sense. I don't think Google has that.

  21. Google helping its investors by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Google is exploring a way to serve Chinese people not the Xi regime. If Google can fine tune their SW to comply with local requirements it will help Their position in case restrictions lessen later. US took Middle East dictators oil for many years, coz it was beneficial.

  22. Re:I wonder what Sarah has to say about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is outside the beltway, that is his crime. Hopefully he wont hang because of it.

  23. Cen-sai by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Corporate slogan: Do be evil.

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  24. A Tragedy Called Sergey Brin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sergey Brin, one of Google's co-founder escaped the oppressive communists in Soviet Union and moved to America. He then enjoyed the liberty, freedom and democracy of the American capitalist society. He claim to understand the plight of the oppressed people under these communist regimes, saying things like: "...I wouldn’t be where I am today or have any kind of the life that I have today if this was not a brave country that really stood out and spoke for liberty." Now that he's one of the world's ultra rich, he seems to have forgotten the value of freedom, liberty and democracy. Now Google, his company, is becoming a tool of oppression of governments with ideologies he once seek refuge from. Money seems to have it's way to transform a success story into a sad tragedy.

    1. Re:A Tragedy Called Sergey Brin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sergey Brin, one of Google's co-founder escaped the oppressive communists in Soviet Union and moved to America."

      Bet you he has been a Russian plant all this time. Russia knows how to play a long game.

  25. Re:I wonder what Sarah has to say about this by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

    Apparently you haven't been keeping up with the news on the meeting:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/politics/trump-tweet-trump-tower-meeting/index.html

  26. Google doesn't own the site by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    All corporations in China are majority owned by the Chinese Government.

    Google is not the owner, merely one of the owners.

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  27. They already have the technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already have the "technology" - but need to fill out the pick list. The China pick list will be different than the US pick list or the British pick list. When was the last time anyone on this page saw porn inside of general search results? Never - because it was deranked especially because it is porn. If it was deranked to be less than one of the top 1000 sites, it is never seen inside of general results. Unfavored religions? Same thing. So it goes, on an on, such that we see only the top 10, or 100, or 1000 out of 50 million or so sites for a particular search - and IMO that's generally going to be coming from a biased pick list.

    Recently someone backlinked my site, which had xyz amount of traffic for years. The backlink was from a "conspiracy" site. Within two days, the traffic was xyz/2 - and it hasn't returned in months.

    Search engines give us a hand selected 1% or less result, almost every time. It doesn't matter which engine it is either IMO. So China? Same thing but different.

    1. Re:They already have the technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The search engines cater to the commercial crowd. If you want information about bug pictures, you'll get tons of results related to sites that'll sell you bug boxes, or bug cameras, or bug spray.

      You'll get a few results about the particulars of the bugs (wikis, etc) - and real close to zero results from fellow bug enthusiasts. This is my biggest pet peeve about search engines. They derank blogs to the point where finding a fellow bug lover is a very frustrating experience. The few blogs that are listed are selling something (the real reason for their blog) - and they don't even communicate or have a comment section. Sales only.

      We need a search engine for blogs that really works. The ones that claim to be "for blogs" generally return mostly commercial results. It's not very difficult to build a search engine that connects bloggers, but it's just not *as* profitable, and the lower profit is the reason blogs are obscured. Most people would prefer seeing the blogs rather than the commercial sites, so it's not like there isn't a market. I'd probably pay a membership fee for such a thing.

    2. Re:They already have the technology by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      The search engines cater to the commercial crowd. ... We need a search engine for blogs that really works.

      As I understand it, what really happens is that the commercial crowd reverse-engineers the search engines and tunes their "message" pages to rank highly.

      If there really was a "search engine for blogs that really works", and it became popular, they'd do it again for the new engine and it would no longer "really work". Just as they did with Yahoo, Google, and the dwarves.

      The operators of these search engines have no interest in pushing anybody's product unless they've bought advertising. Indeed, they're behind if the advertisers parasitize the search indexes rather than paying for an ad or a sponsored search result.

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