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Will the Food Industry Botch the Introduction Of Gene-Edited Foods? (sfgate.com)

We've reached a milestone in gene-edited food, according to the Washington Post. "Calyxt's 'healthier' soybean oil, the industry's first true gene-edited food, could make its way into products such as chips, salad dressings and baked goods as soon as the end of this year." Calyxt's soybean is the first of 23 gene-edited crops the Agriculture Department has recognized to date.... Scientists at Calyxt, a subsidiary of the French pharmaceutical firm Cellectis, developed their soybean by turning "off" the genes responsible for the trans fats in soybean oil. Compared with the conventional version, Calyxt says, oil made from this soybean boasts far more "healthy" fats, and far less of the fats that raise bad cholesterol. Chief executive Federico Tripodi likes to say the product is akin to olive oil but without the pungent flavor that would make it off-putting in Oreos or granola bars.

It has earned praise from the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a consumer group that says public health will benefit from ingredients with less trans and saturated fats, regardless of how they were developed.... Scientists in university labs and at companies such as Calyxt are already designing plants that are more nutritious, convenient and sustainable, they say.... [U]niversities around the country are working on plants that will withstand droughts, diseases and the ravages of climate change. Such improvements, underway in crops as diverse as oranges, wine grapes and cacao, could protect these plants in the future while cutting down water and chemical use, experts say....

While Congress passed a law requiring food makers to disclose genetically modified ingredients in 2016, those rules will probably not apply to foods made with newer gene-editing techniques, said experts who had reviewed it. Calyxt has marketed its soybean oil to food-makers as "non-GMO," citing the fact that it contains no foreign genetic material. But consumers are unlikely to accept this distinction, said Michael Hansen, a senior staff scientist at Consumers Union. Hansen argues that GMOs developed a negative reputation in part because biotech companies botched public outreach in the 1980s and 1990s. Should businesses repeat that mistake, he said, consumers will reject a promising technology.

Non-GM foods are already a multibillion-dollar market, the article points out, adding that according to a 2016 Pew Research Center report, nearly 4 in 10 American consumers believe genetically modified foods are bad for their health.

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  1. Familiar Ring by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It has earned praise from the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a consumer group that says public health will benefit from ingredients with less trans and saturated fats, regardless of how they were developed

    Who else remembers hearing the same spiel about how trans fats were just plain better than other fats? Maybe that kind of talk is more relevant to why customers tend to be skeptical than any specific paranoia over GMO/editing/selective breeding/etc.

    1. Re:Familiar Ring by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This, and only this, will decide whether the introduction of genetically designed food will be received well. What's going to matter is whether we'll be treated with honestly or whether marketing will try to sell us trash as gourmet food.

      And yes, of course I know how it's going to end.

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    2. Re:Familiar Ring by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      And that's pretty sad, isn't it? It wasn't even a generation ago when people were looking forward to getting the newest and latest, be it technology or anything. You wanted the new gadget, because it was so much better, faster, cooler and more useful than the old one.

      Today, you're usually better off with the prior version that couldn't lock you down, rip you off or outright harm you for the profit of its maker as well as the new one can.

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  2. Just label it and move on by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just slap some kind of a GMO label on it and move on. If idiots that believe it's evil or unhealthy want to use something else that's probably less healthy for them, that's on them. The idiocy and fear-mongering will be there regardless, and if companies don't want to put a label on the products, those same people are just likely to take it as proof of a conspiracy or cover-up. Instead, just own up to it being GMO and point out the health and environmental benefits of the product over alternatives. If those crops really are less resource intensive, then price differences will probably decide for most people more than anything else.

    1. Re:Just label it and move on by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's marketings job to make people want to buy products with the label. If they're doing their job, the label is big, flashy, and reads something like "Proudly GMO" and the package extolls the health benefits and reduced environmental impact. It's the same exact shit you commonly see with organic foods currently.

      If you stop to look at your argument, what is marketing's excuse if there is no label and it does not sell as they wanted? The answer is that marketing didn't do their job of making people want to buy the product, and if you have a marketing department that can't sell health and environmentalism, the management deserves to be out on the streets.

    2. Re:Just label it and move on by treymichaelcook · · Score: 2

      There is a very good argument as to why the labeling should not be required; the first is simply space. There are all sorts of things various interest groups might want on a label (was this picked by union labor, was it picked by an employer that uses e-Verify, what county was it from, what is the distance from the farm to processing center, and so on); if you allowed every group to force its requirements onto the label, you might simply run out of room. The second is First Amendment related. Labeling requirements are a form of compelled speech, which the courts generally frown upon unless given a good reason. Since no one has yet to show any actual harm from eating GMO foods, that puts a the burden of proof as to why it needs to be on the label on those desiring the labeling. Look at cigarette labeling for example; the standard Surgeon General's warnings have been ruled okay, but the courts shot down the FDA's attempts to force large, graphic warnings onto cigarette packages, in large part because the FDA couldn't prove that they were more effective than the smaller warnings. Here is an interesting article on that. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/...

    3. Re:Just label it and move on by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > This would ring truer if the arguments against GMOs were more cogent :-\

      "Roundup Ready"

      I am fine with a GMO that was created to deal with a crop pest. I'm not so enthusiastic about a GMO created by a poison maker.

      It's your argument that lacks nuance. It's not the tech. It's not about being a blind science groupie and treating science like religion. It's about individuals that use technology.

      Monopolistic mega corp, versus university professor, versus monk.

      I don't trust the overly processed food-like-substances that Monsanto GMOs make cheaper either.

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    4. Re:Just label it and move on by admin7087 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not a cogent argument at all, you are merely patronizing people. A free market requires informed consumers. The analogies you draw are also fundamentally flawed:

      - Whether you build a nuclear power plant or not is a political decision, not one made by an individual person, because many people benefit from the power plant and many people would be affected if there is a major incident. Labeling GMO food as such keeps no one from buying it who wants to buy it.

      - If you decide for your children that you don't want them to get vaccinated, then you are literally endangering the life of your children and the life of other children who cannot get vaccinated for rare medical reason. By not buying GMO food, you do not endanger anyone's life.

      Not buying GMO food is a customer choice just like not buying some food because you don't like the look of its packaging or the logo of the company. If a company doesn't want that to happen, then they are free to offer non-GMO food. Not labeling food is and always has been nefarious, there is simply no cogent argument for not labeling the nature of food ingredients. You can also easily invent compressed codes or put a link to online information on the packaging.

  3. Uh... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    developed their soybean by turning "off" the genes responsible for the trans fats in soybean oil.

    "Trans fats" are caused by hydrogenation; they don't occur naturally.

  4. Atomic Gardening? by SirDrinksAlot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I feel like we're a lot safer with gene editing these days than we were in the 50's with Atomic Gardens. They were irradiating entire fields to see what happened, sure we still have peppermint today and other popular produce likes certain types of tomatoes because of the 'IRRADIATE ALL THE THINGS' movement. Though if something mutated in a negative way like an undesirable weed among the crops then we'd be in a bit of a pickle.

    We're not going to be able to feed the planet if we don't embrace GMO, we just need more some more focus and care.

    GMO is not in itself a bad thing or unhealthy in it self in anyway, it can be quite the opposite. It's the dodgy GMO that should be targeted and shunned, none of this Roundup Ready type garbage so we can drench acres in toxic chemicals bullshit. Focus on less inputs (fertilizers and control chemicals) and maximize yield would be an ideal direction IMO.

    Or how about modifying pest weeds to make them spread less and grow smaller or not reproduce at all?

    Blanket labeling GMO may not be the right direction, we could in theory make a GMO "organic" plant that requires no inputs. Would this wonder plant have to be binned next to the pesticide soaked produce at the grocery store because it's GMO?

    1. Re:Atomic Gardening? by skoskav · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the dodgy GMO that should be targeted and shunned, none of this Roundup Ready type garbage so we can drench acres in toxic chemicals bullshit. Focus on less inputs (fertilizers and control chemicals) and maximize yield would be an ideal direction IMO.

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      Blanket labeling GMO may not be the right direction, we could in theory make a GMO "organic" plant that requires no inputs. Would this wonder plant have to be binned next to the pesticide soaked produce at the grocery store because it's GMO?

      This doesn't seem to be a scientific viewpoint. Fertilizers and pesticides (herbicides, fungicides, insecticides, etc.) are demonstrably effective at increasing harvest yield. Organic farming that doesn't use glyphosate-resistant crops just use other herbicide chemicals like rotenone and copper instead, which occur naturally. And the produce themselves are naturally filled with toxic pesticides as an evolutionary deterrent. Herbivores and us large omnivores can usually handle it, but say, an onion is deadly toxic to a carnivorous cat.

      Or how about modifying pest weeds to make them spread less and grow smaller or not reproduce at all?

      Evolution will not allow it. These shitty weeds would be out-competed by natural weeds due to natural selection.

  5. Crisper in EU by shayd2 · · Score: 2

    An EU court has already ruled that things made with CRISPR must follow the same guidelines as GMOs. Short form -- No GMOs in EU

    Perhaps, since an EU member has money in the game, this will be reviewed

  6. Good Science by Martin+S. · · Score: 2

    Good Science demands proper verification through peer review and testing for safety and efficacy, that stance is not anti-science as the shills suggest. The pharmaceutical industry manages this, there is no good reason GMO should avoid this burden of proof. GMO offer great potential, but a disaster such thalidomide, DDT, asbestos could set progress back decades.

    1. Re:Good Science by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Organic should have EXACTLY the same burden. Using chemical mutagens and radiation to cross-breed plants and to mutate the genome and selecting for desirable traits is FAR more likely to have nasty side effects. You should look and see what organic actually allows. For a long time people have used certain crushed rocks or other chemicals to get plants to cross-breed. We now know that most of those are chemical mutagens or radiation sources. I trust gene editing far more than that and all of the methods should be tested.

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    2. Re:Good Science by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Furthermore, asbestos was "organic" in that it was an unmodified natural substance. Everything we use should be tested and held to the same standard.

  7. Re:Fristy by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    Exactly. If the history of how new technology has been used is any indication, we'd better be ready for "Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes" to become a serious problem in addition to a bad movie.

  8. Re:Fristy by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Hey, how about they just make them LABEL these new and exciting foods for being gene-edited, and let the consumer decide?

    Sounds fair to me, no?

    I mean, we label already for ingredients, % of carbs, sodium, etc....and I think some states even mandate restaurants label foods on the menu....

    So, why not do this here too...for GMO and gene-edited and give the consumer the info they need to make their own health choices?

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  9. This is about spin, not science/regulation by SNRatio · · Score: 2

    Depends. Will it be cheaper, including any fines and penalties, than doing it right?

    Really nothing to do with that. It's whether the term "gene edited" will be as aesthetically displeasing as "GMO" has become to consumers. I don't see consumers making a distinction between the two. For one, the antipathy to GMO products was never based on science in the first place. Tests to prove safety or increased benefits really won't change consumers' minds. Neither will "outreach". Not when there is an industry based on fear of GMOs that can and will respond to protect its market share.

    For another, sophistry and branding aside, the terms "gene edited" and "genetically modified" are identical. Shotgun insertion of a new gene is an edit. Removing a gene via a CRISPR technique is a modification. Yes, the techniques are vastly different, but the terms are not. If they can't come up with a term that clearly differentiates the techniques for consumers, why expect the consumers will do the heavy lifting of figuring out the difference?

    Meanwhile, Europe has already decided that "gene edited" is a subset of GMO, thus effectively banning those foods from the European market.

    Strike one.

  10. Re:Fristy by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey, how about they just make them LABEL these new and exciting foods for being gene-edited, and let the consumer decide?

    Okay, but make sure also to label all of the foods that were bred with the use of mutagenic chemicals and radiation, which is a more random and dangerous process than carefully-targeted editing.

    Of course, this would require labeling nearly everything in the grocery store. Including nearly everything that is labeled "organic, non-GMO".

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  11. Re:Fristy by quenda · · Score: 2

    Hey, how about they just make them LABEL these new and exciting foods for being gene-edited, and let the consumer decide?

    Because consumers are stupid, and adding irrelevant information will not help them make better decisions. In the case of the new soybean oil, the relevant difference is the amount of trans-fat, which will be reflected in current nutritional labelling.

    99% of the population have no clue as to how genes naturally change, and how food genes have been artificially changed for thousands of years. But a lot of us are aware of the legitimate concern over trans-fat.