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Hackers Who Attended Black Hat and DefCon Conferences Say Hotel Security Personnel Demanded Access To Their Rooms (the-parallax.com)

More than two dozen hackers and security experts who attended security events last week say security personnel at the Mandalay Bay, Luxor, Caesars Palace, Flamingo, Aria, Cromwell, Tuscany, Linq, or Mirage hotels had entered their rooms. Security news site The Parallax reports: Except for Tuscany, which is independent, all of these hotels are owned by either Caesars Entertainment or MGM Resorts International. And of the three hotel companies, only Caesars returned a request for comment. Richard Broome, executive vice president of communications and government relations for Caesars Entertainment, whose Caesars Palace is co-hosting DefCon this year with the Flamingo, said that following the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history last year, "periodic" hotel room checks are now standard operating procedure in Las Vegas. On October 1, 2017, from his room at the Mandalay Bay, Stephen Paddock used semiautomatic weapons he'd outfitted with bump stocks to kill 58 people and wound at least 527 others attending a gated country music concert on the Strip below. [...] Two apparent Caesars security officers wearing hotel name tags displaying only the first names "Cynthia" and "Keith," respectively, as well as sheriff's style badges that looked like they came out of a Halloween costume kit, visited my room while I was writing this story. Cynthia told me that they are instructed to refer to the front desk guests who decline to allow their room to be searched.

After Cynthia and Keith declined to disclose their last names to me, I asked what they intended to do in the room. They told me that they would enter it, type a code into the room's phone line to signal that it's been checked, and then do a visual spot check. When I asked what they would be looking for, Cynthia replied, "WMDs -- that sort of thing." Other conference attendees reported similar but less pleasant interactions. Katie Moussouris, CEO of Luta Security, wrote on Twitter that two hotel security personnel were "banging" on her room door and "shouted" at her. She also said the hotel's security team supervisor "dismissed" her concerns over how the hotel was treating single, female travelers. Google security engineer Maddie Stone tweeted that a man wearing a light-blue shirt and a walkie-talkie entered her Caesars Palace room with a key, but without knocking, while she was getting dressed. "He left when I started screaming," she wrote, adding that a hotel manager, upon her request, said Caesars would look into whether the man was actually an employee. Stone tweeted that she left DefCon early because of the incident.

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  1. What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by Bruce66423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shooting the guy who entered while she was dressing would have helped educate him and others for the future...

    1. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Shooting the guy who entered while she was dressing would have helped educate him and others for the future...

      IANAL but I googled and it seems that NV has a stand your ground law, which does require that the defender not be the original aggressor. That is, chasing down young black men and then shooting them when you claim to feel threatened is not permissible, but shooting someone who enters your domicile and threatens you is. Policies vary on whether you may carry firearms into your hotel room, but the law does not prohibit it, and appears to permit you to defend yourself.

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    2. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Shooting him for what? It is hotel property. You gun nuts are bizarre people.

      When you are a paying guest in a hotel room, you have rights. You are [theoretically] protected against illegal search and seizure until checkout time at the end of your contracted stay. Las Vegas was built by organized crime, however, and casinos are used to acting like organized criminals and will continue to do so as long as they can get away with it.

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    3. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you feel threatened by someone knocking on your door when staying in their home,

      That is a garbage explanation. When you've paid for the room, it's your home until checkout time. Other things which are considered your home: a tent, when you are camping in it legally; an RV, same.

      There's no clear and present danger,

      Given the rates of sexual assault, I disagree.

      there's no surprise,

      Given your right to deny entry if there is no reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, I disagree.

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    4. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Entering a hotel room (Private Space) while a woman is in a state of undress, is creeper shit, and he DESERVED a bullet. What if it was a naked 10 year old and he pulled that entering unannounced BS? You Leftists are fukked in the head. Buncha pervs and pedo supporters. Pathetic.

      How about entering a dressing room where 15 year-olds are putting clothes on for a Miss Teen Universe pageant? Is that creepy enough for someone to deserve a bullet?

      https://www.rollingstone.com/p...

      "Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting, I want to make sure that everything is good.

      You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they're standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good."

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    5. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by Herkum01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But I am doing to save them from a lifetime of trauma. Believe me, shooting someone who saw me naked is best for everyone involved.

    6. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. The same happened to a friend of mine who was working at the IMF, and in almost the same way. He got a blowjob and a good fuck. Had to quit his job though, because the FBI was filming him on behalf of Obama, who didn't like his policies.

      Sad.

      Why can't I ever stay at the good hotels?

    7. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by beanpoppa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've had multiple situations where I was incorrectly given a room that was already occupied, which resulted in a bit of a surprise upon entering 'my' room. After the first or second time, I've learned to knock before entering my hotel room for the first time just in case. But you believe that in such a situation it would have been justifiable for them to shoot me?

    8. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have had this happen to me as well. Moral of the story here is 1) knock as you suggest at least the first time your are entering your new room, 2) when you are in the room use the bolt / chain. This will prevent anyone card, key or not from just entering the room.

      If someone is so aggressive about entering your room they tear door form its hinges, snap the chain, etc than you may feel justifiably so threaten that I will be sympathetic if serving on your jury and we are to determine if your shooting them was self defense.

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    9. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Entering a hotel room (Private Space) while a woman is in a state of undress, is creeper shit, and he DESERVED a bullet. What if it was a naked 10 year old and he pulled that entering unannounced BS? You Leftists are fukked in the head. Buncha pervs and pedo supporters. Pathetic.

      You know, I hate to point out the obvious here, but someone who happens to enter a room unannounced may have also made a simple mistake. Not everyone who opens a door to find someone naked inside is automatically a "creeper" wanting to do harm, and plenty of people have been shot and killed by mistake, unfortunately including parents mistaking their own children for an intruder.

      Think twice before threatening someone's life for the petty crime of being embarrassed, and hope someone gives you that same courtesy.

    10. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US Constitution has rights ENUMERATED in it, but those rights exist APART from it. The enumeration part is clarification that the Government jurisdiction with respect to those rights are EXTREMELY limited, requiring additional measures to abrogate or in some cases are absolute.

      The reason this distinction is clear and enumerated in the Constitution is because of the abuses Governments are wont to do. It is a trigger point for going to DoI level rebellion against said government.

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    11. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you believe that in such a situation it would have been justifiable for them to shoot me?

      No, but it would have been justifiable to point a gun at you in preparation for shooting you if you continued to advance — and if you did so, to shoot you if they felt threatened. I agree with various commenters who say that you should use a supplementary lock when provided, however, especially if you are armed. I believe that when armed, people have additional responsibility to be cautious.

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    12. Re:What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by taustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have never once been in a hotel (or motel) that doesn't have a mechanical privacy lock on the door. It can't be opened from the outside without considerable trouble (and noise).

      Do people not know what these are for?

    13. Re: What are Nevada's gun carrying rules? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

      If he walks in and finds the room already occupied, he can shoot you for being in his room? You two can have yourselves a nice little shootout to figure out who gets to keep the room?

      That's correct, if you are assigned an occupied room then a battle to the death shall ensue, using any weapons available to any person, including any passers-by who want to assist either party, and the survivor gets to stay in the room. It's right there in the agreement. The legal term for this is the Thunderdome Clause, it's basically boilerplate. MAGA

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  2. Move away from Vegas then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simple - Why on earth would you use that place to host your customers if that's how they're going to be treated.

    I'd get the f*ck out of there and never come back.

  3. Use your locks! by Aqualung812 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google security engineer Maddie Stone tweeted that a man wearing a light-blue shirt and a walkie-talkie entered her Caesars Palace room with a key, but without knocking, while she was getting dressed.

    Before I saying anything, to be clear:
    1. Ms. Stone did nothing wrong.
    2. The man entering the room was absolutely criminal in entering a room like that without knocking.

    That said, when you're in your room, lock your doors. Use the deadbolt, use the little chain, and anything else available.

    Normally, the deadbolt alone will prevent the key card from working.
    While the chain is nearly useless from keeping someone from breaking in, it gives a few seconds of delay to the intruder, giving you time to respond.

    Same category as leaving your laptop in the passenger seat of a car. You don't deserve to have your window smashed and laptop stolen, and it is NOT your fault if someone does it.
    It still is a better idea to put it out of sight, though.

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    1. Re:Use your locks! by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, yes. It was criminal. The crime committed was criminal trespass. There is no low/high bar for criminal activity; there is simply what is stated by the Nevada Revised Statutes (NRS). I suppose there are areas where there exists room for interpretation. This is not one of them.

      In the state of Nevada, as is true in most states, the 4th amendment rights you enjoy in your home are generally extended to your hotel room. A warrant is required for entering a hotel room as part of an official investigation. The hotel may have cause to enter your room if they believe criminal activity is taking place, housekeeping, maintenance, or a disruption of other guests. In no circumstance are they allowed to enter without announcing themselves first. /IANAL

      Freedom from illegal search is one of the many rights that makes the U.S. the country that it is. Unfortunately, we have to defend those rights with extreme prejudice against the scared little bunnies of our nation that carelessly toss them out to feel a little safer.

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  4. Re:Fuck up both ways by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

    When that shooter was allowed to carry all that hardware, unchecked, and massacred all those innocent people, that was a hotel fuck-up.

    It's not like the guy was just strolling through the lobby with a couple AR-15s with 100-rd drum mags slung over his shoulder. He brought them in in bags. Even the number of bags he used, if they could even passively track how many bags he actually had, isn't excessive for Vegas with all the conventions, meetings, etc. So unless you think hotels need to start doing bag checks or xraying everything there's not much they can do.

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  5. Re:There is a good reason for that. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, back in McCarthy's time people at least folded when asked "have you no shame, have you no decency?"

    Today, they'd simply say "nope" and carry on.

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