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Vaping Can Damage Vital Immune System Cells, Researchers Find (bbc.co.uk)
Vaping can damage vital immune system cells and may be more harmful than previously thought, a study suggests. Researchers found e-cigarette vapour disabled important immune cells in the lung and boosted inflammation. From a report: The researchers "caution against the widely held opinion that e-cigarettes are safe." However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. The small experimental study, led by Prof David Thickett, at the University of Birmingham, is published online in the journal Thorax. Previous studies have focused on the chemical composition of e-cigarette liquid before it is vaped. In this study, the researchers devised a mechanical procedure to mimic vaping in the laboratory, using lung tissue samples provided by eight non-smokers. They found vapour caused inflammation and impaired the activity of alveolar macrophages, cells that remove potentially damaging dust particles, bacteria and allergens.
Give us a damn break
so is this the fault of PG in the liquid?
What vaping devices did they test? What materials were the coils built of? What type of cotton was used? Was it a VG or PG mix? I mean I realize that they ran these tests for 48 whole hours, but really, who pays for this garbage to get published? a 48 hour research study is about as reliable as using flatulence to measure climate change.
You can always move. We'd be glad to see your bitch ass go to Mexico and prove to us how wrong we are about their "culture."
inhaling anything other than oxygen is bad for your lungs
Air is about 80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen...
Pure oxygen is poisonous.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Fewer hipsters? Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
A coffee cup could also be considered a drug delivery device, so what?
They're at it in blatantly obvious ways ever since e-cigs became popular. Somebody cut into their mass-murder profits! Oh noes! (Yes, it is deliberate and willful mass-murder.)
Yeah, nicotine smoke is not the best thing. Neither is alcohol, caffeine, sugar/starch, saturated fat, salt, city air, all that shit in cosmetics and industry "food", etc, etc, etc.
We use them anyway, because what's the point of having a life if you're not living any? You can live a 100 years physically, but only 10 mentally. And you can live only 33.3 years, but 100 mentally. (Or 100 years, and 300 mentally.)
Not that I could ever follow the point of any kind of smoking. I was never one of those always-anxious Morty types.
But e-cigs are still better than cigarettes, and actually the best way to get rid of the cigarette addiction!
Because other than cigarettes, pure nicotine is barely addictive at all, and very easy to reduce and stop using.
Meanwhile, cigarettes are literally as addictive as heroin. While being all but completely useless after the body got used to the dosage. And costing a shitload of money.
So yeah, e-cigs are awesome, specifically because they are a gateway drug. Gateway to getting rid of that shit!
Actually, the researchers agreed and, in fact, recommended that all smokers should switch to vaping immediately.
Somehow, that part didn't make it to the headline.
The experts also recommended that all smokers switch to vaping immediately.
Know what's the best and most pleasant thing to inhale into your lungs? CLEAN AIR.
Interesting idea, where might I find some of this clean air to put into my lungs?
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Don't quit your day job.
Im sorry but this is pure FUD. From the study... they didnt use a vaporizer. They took healthy cells and BATHED it in a PG/VG + nic solution (aka ejuice). Sorry but that is not a legit way of study. Vapers dont snort ejuice. They vaporize it. Inhale the vapor and EXHALE. Usually in short 2-3 second bursts.
Bath healthy cells in water and there will be damage too.
All for science and finding out how to make vaping safer... but FFS study it and do legit science. Not paid for shilling.
These details are in the paper. In particular, they did not test any device but just exposure to the chemicals which they note may not provide the same levels seen by actual people who vape. I think it's unreasonable to expect this level of detail in a popular news site given that they are writing a few paragraphs for a general audience. The paper is there for those who want this level of detail.
Also, somewhat ironically, cow flatulence actually is important for determining climate change!
True that. But just forget about clean air if you're living in most urban areas.
Are you really bothered by the fact that people might be doing something vaguely harmful to themselves, or is it some other stylistic aspect of "vapers" that you don't like?
I mean, I watch people consume known toxin ethyl alcohol all the time and despite their occasionally destructive and violent behavior, I don't get quite as angry as you seem to be at vapers.
I don't really care about vapers, it looks fairly silly in practice but I can't think of a reason to be mad at them. But boy, a lot of people seem to heap hate on vapers.
They are significantly safer than cigarettes. All else is people wittingly or not in service to big tobacco trying to get the competition expensively regulated or outlawed.
"Which would be sweet!" said B. T. "Let's get scientists who wanna make a name cluelessly working on our behalf".
"With any luck, anyone who points this out will get downmodded by another clueless helper!"
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
it's the wild wild west right now. You don't really know what you're getting when it comes to vaping.
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I imagine it's a due to it being associated with teenagers, and not the popular kind either. Of course, tobacco companies are entirely happy to keep promoting that image as well.
Personally I couldn't care less about vapers unless they're blowing smoke in my face.
Pure oxygen is NOT poisonous, unless you are underwater below 40 feet. Hospitals, ambulances, and EMTs all carry oxygen masks to provide 100% oxygen (unpressurized). Scuba divers will not dive deeper than 30 feet on pure O2. Deeper dives can be done on normal air mix, Nitrox, or Trimix.
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Are you really bothered by the fact that people might be doing something vaguely harmful to themselves, or is it some other stylistic aspect of "vapers" that you don't like?
I mean, I watch people consume known toxin ethyl alcohol all the time and despite their occasionally destructive and violent behavior, I don't get quite as angry as you seem to be at vapers.
I don't really care about vapers, it looks fairly silly in practice but I can't think of a reason to be mad at them. But boy, a lot of people seem to heap hate on vapers.
B-B-B-B-but Big Vape or whatever nonsense they've created.
Vape fluid MAY have some negative side effects we don't know about, lets compare that to burning tobacco. Whatever nebulous effects the fluid might have its got to be better than the confirmed highly cancerous substance it's meant to replace. I've switched two of my relatives from being life long smokers to being vapers. They can now sit inside with relatives, taste food and realise how bad other smokers smell and they now have a smaller chance of dying from a horrible cancer.
Sure some vapers are knobs but they're not as bad as regular smokers. I'd rather walk through a sickly sweet smelling cloud than acrid tobacco smoke.
I've read the entire thing as "we wanted to get our names in the paper".
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Inhaling smoke into your breathing apparatus.
Of course that isn't safe. It can be various degrees of unhealthy, and some ways are faster and more damaging than others, but obviously that isn't healthy.
The question is how unhealthy, not if.
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Oh look, the vape addicts had mod points and I pissed them off! Would someone who is NOT a vaping addict and has mod points please fix that? Thanks.
There's such a thing as 'decaffeinated coffee', and coffee in general has some positive health affects, and if you drink decaf then there's NO downside to it.
So, how long have you been a vaping addict? Any other history of substance abuse? Alcoholism? Meth addiction?
I'm mostly inclined to think that it's some kind knee-jerk moralism. Smoking is "bad" not just because of its health effects but because it involves drug consumption for pleasure.
Vaping is the moral equivalent, so it must be just as bad in spite of less health effects because of morality.
I'm fairly convinced that if you invented a drug that had the same pleasurable effects of heroin but was magically free of addiction, overdose or any other measurable health side affects most of the same people enraged about opiate use would be just as enraged about this drug.
They make out like it's the *health* effects that they're wound up about, but really it's some kind of Calvinistic moralism that opposed to pleasure without some kind of pain.
You looked way too hard. Here.
Actually, the researchers agreed and, in fact, recommended that all smokers should switch to vaping immediately.
Somehow, that part didn't make it to the headline.
But it was the second sentence in the quoted part of the article. There's a limit to how long headlines can be.
Nicotine also has some health benefits once divorced from combustion products. And I'm pretty sure most of those cups aren't filled with decaf.
So how long have you been sniffing your own farts?
Oh wow sick burn dude.
Were they using normal cheap gas station flavored juice or pure unflavored juice? If flavored, then what flavor(s)?
It seems generally the worst part is the [undefined] stuff in the flavoring.
omg how could I forget that scene! Thanks for that one.
Surprisingly (to me) the link I ran with was actually the 3rd amazon result for "clean air", right after an air cleaner machine and, for some reason, a power converter for a plasma cutter...
That's ok. However don't you dare put a straw in that drink. Even though straws contribute a very small fraction of plastic to oceans side of fishing nets. Let's put you in jail if you use a straw.
I'd like to see scientific research because I don't really believe anyone died from it. It seems to me that the cigarette has a worse effect on the body than VAPE. I think that all agree with this.
I came to this Article expecting. "But the study is wrong, I blame Big Tobacco! it's a conspiracy!".
I found it.
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