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Children 'At Risk of Robot Influence' (bbc.co.uk)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Forget peer pressure, future generations are more likely to be influenced by robots, a study suggests. The research, conducted at the University of Plymouth, found that while adults were not swayed by robots, children were. The fact that children tended to trust robots without question raised ethical issues as the machines became more pervasive, said researchers. They called for the robotics community to build in safeguards for children. Those taking part in the study completed a simple test, known as the Asch paradigm, which involved finding two lines that matched in length. Known as the conformity experiment, the test has historically found that people tend to agree with their peers even if individually they have given a different answer. In this case, the peers were robots. When children aged seven to nine were alone in the room, they scored an average of 87% on the test. But when the robots joined them, their scores dropped to 75% on average. Of the wrong answers, 74% matched those of the robots.

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  1. Little white robot van. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before we know it, Alexa is going to start driving around a windowless van offering free Ice Cream and a chance to pet her pet roomba. We must act now.

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    1. Re:Little white robot van. by Zorro · · Score: 1

      Pedobear?

    2. Re:Little white robot van. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Just say no to robophilia.

    3. Re:Little white robot van. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Pedobearobot.

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    4. Re:Little white robot van. by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried about kids getting hooked on old person medication.

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    5. Re:Little white robot van. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Before we know it, Alexa is going to start driving around a windowless van offering free Ice Cream and a chance to pet her pet roomba. We must act now.

      Bot or not; I want ice-cream and to pet a Roomba. Where do I sign up?

  2. Mechanical response by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They were asking the wrong questions of adults, who are just as easily swayed.

    Robbie 247 (robot voice): "Let..me..masturbate..you."

    "Ok."

    See? Easy to sway.

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    1. Re:Mechanical response by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      My modded Roomba does that now

  3. Do you have stairs in your house? by bano · · Score: 2

    I am protected.

    1. Re:Do you have stairs in your house? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I am protected.

      Are you at the bottom of the stairs?

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    2. Re:Do you have stairs in your house? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      Do you have stairs in your house?

      I am protected.

      Ever seen Doctor Who's Daleks -- The New Generation? Link

      And don't tell me Siri hasn't noticed companies selling drones, Rooba's, and duct tape.

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    3. Re:Do you have stairs in your house? by umghhh · · Score: 1

      come to think of it maybe Daleks just wanted to cuddle with us and in our silliness we misunderstood what they wanted. They could not handle rejection and went on with their Exterminate! thing only because they sought for love?

    4. Re:Do you have stairs in your house? by dissy · · Score: 1

      Yes. Grandma is protected at the bottom of the stairs.

  4. Alternately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that children tended to trust anyone and anything without question raised ethical issues

    That's how school works.
    That's how advertising works.
    That's how most social interactions work.

    The kids who raise questions are punished. The kids who blindly obey are often rewarded, rarely dead, and sometimes scarred for life unable to speak of their trauma. In any case, they don't complain to warn others of the danger of compliance, at least not in a timely manner.

    The robots in this story are just a controlled proxy for other voices.

    1. Re:Alternately by MoralCharacter · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what situation they're envisioning that has robots corrupting our youth here. Are they worried there will be robo-hobos wandering our streets, trying to get our kids addicted to heroin? As far as I know, where we will have robots in the forseeable future will be: Factories, warehouses, supposedly fast food joints, nursing homes if Japan has it's way, operating rooms... Was there a concern that robots would be in classrooms? I have no doubt that if you replaced that """robot""" with a cheerful looking puppet - the kid would just as well believe it as they did the robot. It sounds a lot like these """robots""" were basically over glorified puppets anyways. I honestly don't see robots becoming a feature of schools anytime soon though - we're not making a whole lot of progress on the 'genuine AI' front despite what IBM would have us believe. Regardless - most schools can't even afford enough computers for more than a single room. Are they somehow going to have the money to buy a robot?

      Totally a fun thought experiment sure - but this isn't a thought experiement, they went and did a study that doesn't tell us anything especially new. We've known they're overly trusting - who else could you get to believe in an imaginary fat man who shimmies down chimneys to give out presents? Replacing a puppet with a robot doesn't shock me at all. Have a guy dress up as the easter bunny and do the study - I'm dead certain you'll see the same results! Reality says we're no where near making a robot 'smart' enough that it could somehow be more corrupting than even a smartphone - people certainly don't have problems with their toddlers watching disturbing 'kid friendly' videos on youtube with their iPhone. At least a smartphone fits in your purse.

    2. Re:Alternately by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      This. "Robot" is a variable. It can be substituted with *anything*.

      Children are ripe to take influence from almost anything to heart given the circumstances (namely if they trust, look up to or are intimidated by the influencer). They haven't had enough experience to stand up for themselves confidently in most cases, that's why we have parents/family, teachers and other trusted peers/role models.

      And now robots / AI.

      Here's the problem: Those who want to influence others will always try to find a way. The only thing we can do in this case is to build a body of engineers that stand for the ethical use of robots. I wouldn't say it'd be much different than the Free Software movement. There's probably already something like that out there. We need to rally behind these bodies and fight for the continued development of ethical and openly configurable robot/AI systems.

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    3. Re:Alternately by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Why would you not use robots as drug dealers? If it saves costs and improves security of the delivery then why not? After all if other businesses do it, then drug lords would do it too.

    4. Re:Alternately by MoralCharacter · · Score: 1

      I totally get you - but we're- I mean they're going to need to wait for them to be economical to use over your dirt cheap homeless and hooligans. If a robocop busts your small time dealer - you just go get another one off the street. A robot? Sure it's funny making the cops unbolt it from the concrete in a back alley and try to get a crane in there to haul it off to robo-jail. But it's a cost thing - even when you account for your meatbag dealers taking off the top and using some of the product, you'll still come out ahead compared to having to order a new robot from China.

      Now you want to talk about automating the cooking and packing process - that's where the money's at.

  5. its already happened once before by nimbius · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soda machine: hey...psssst...hey kid...
    innocent child: a...talking soda machine?
    Soda machine: yeah kid so what? hey listen....you wanna...pass a little Turing test?
    Child: I dunno, my mom says Turing proposed that a human evaluator would judge natural language conversations between a human and a machine designed to generate human-like responses.
    Soda machine: yeah sure but listen Common understanding has it that the purpose of the Turing test is not specifically to determine whether a computer is able to fool an interrogator into believing that it is a human, but rather whether a computer could imitate a human. calculator: yeah kid! come on! just one Turing test!

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  6. It's worse than we thought by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    So....what you're saying is when Skynet eventually wakes up it will be assisted by hordes of child soldiers? We should make a movie to warn people; call it Bots of No Nation.

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  7. back in the 70s by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    we were told kids were at risk of television influence...so were adults. If it's electric, it's bad for the kids.

    1. Re:back in the 70s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And before that it was rock and roll. And before that it was comic books.

      So I don't think "if it's electric, it's bad for the kids" is accurate. More like "if those in charge don't like it, it's bad for the kids".

    2. Re:back in the 70s by umghhh · · Score: 1

      There was a story here few months ago - the guy was fired by faulty apparently autonomous HR system. After the weeks of forcing the HR drone to accept its failure the colleagues of the fired guy did not want to believe his explanation and ostracized him - after all he was fired by robots. So it does happen and to grownups. The point here is however that it does not matter robot or whatever - as soon as it has some authority and some herd pressure is mounted the individual will do what it thinks is 'right'. The similarly done experiments with subjects thinking that they are applying electric shocks were unjustly criticized. This is how we are. After all in extreme situations who is going to get up and protest bullying of a guy with blue eyes (or any other arbitrary chosen aspect of own self - could even be incorrect, main thing is - you are alone when accused by a group). You are right of course - this is not tv or robots, in old times it was books too that were destroying morals of the youth and thus civilization. In reality these were always humans that took up a challenge of destroying as much of humanity as possible. I suspect there is a law of nature working here - evolution resulting in competition and this resulting in destruction. This may even be a reason why we do not see signs of other civilizations up in the skies (assuming that there would be any and we would be able to recognize them as such).

    3. Re:back in the 70s by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      hey pool halls used electricity too.

      "Have you noticed certain words creeping into your child's vocabulary, such as 'swell'....?"

  8. There oughtta be a law! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Or, perhaps, three of them...

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    1. Re:There oughtta be a law! by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      1) A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
      2) A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
      3) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

    2. Re:There oughtta be a law! by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      As a society, we can't even agree that lying constitutes "harm" so, this already fails.

    3. Re:There oughtta be a law! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Please credit Asimov for the three laws of Robotics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    4. Re:There oughtta be a law! by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      lease credit Asimov for the three laws of Robotics

      You mean it wasn't Al Gore that did it?
      I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

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    5. Re:There oughtta be a law! by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I thought it was rather obvious that I was quoting Asimov. Surely on a geek site such as /. it was. Maybe we should start requiring attribution for every Monty Python, HHGTG, Aliens, or Star Trek quote as well?

  9. Just perfect by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    So my take away here is that in about 10 years I am going to have to listen to my kids prattling on about how bigoted my wife and I are because we don't trust robots...

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  10. Jemby... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    where are you?

  11. Re:student loan robocalls by slashdice · · Score: 2

    When robots started to become commonplace, Congress, in its great wisdom, mandated that every robot be hardwired with the Three Laws Of Robotics. For decades, these three basic rules have maintained class order in our society and kept the number of robot-caused deaths to a minimum. We all know these three laws:

    1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

    That certainly makes sense. No one wants a gore-bot to twist someone into a pretzel or stand aside and watch a human get hit by a Greyhound Shuttle.

    2. A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except when such orders would conflict with the First Law.

    This, too, makes sense. Robots are manufactured to perform the actions requested by their owners. If we didn't want that, we'd all buy SteveJobsbots.

    3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

    Uh, hello? A robot is a big investment. It only makes sense to protect humans from possible protocol violations. We can't have every robot who doesn't like his assigned duties throwing himself off the Golden Gate Overpass, can we?

    Frankly, I'd be happy if these three rules were all that was necessary to ensure happy robot-human coexistence. Unfortunately, there's been a huge oversight. There's nothing in those laws to keep those machines out of my wife's coochie!

    I'm not asking that we draft a law to prevent robots from manually stimulating with owner consent. If people want their wives fingered by their bots, that's fine. I wasn't born yesterday. To each his own. I'm not asking you to forbid robots from fingering every wife, just mine.

    Sure, I can tell the robots from the neighborhood, "Hey, don't finger my wife!" and, under the Second Law Of Robotics, they'd have to comply. But what about the thousands of robots I've never met? The moment my back is turned, odds are my wife's going to get robo-fingered. It doesn't matter if the robot doesn't have fingers--she'll find some sorta antenna, spring, or crankshaft, and--boom--that robot will get her off.

    Here's something I don't understand: We can develop a robot sturdy enough to mine the Saturnine moon Enceladus, strong enough to withstand the fierce ionic winds and burst through the 40 meters of scorched onyx that covers the planet, and smart enough to collect the vital crystals from amidst all the worthless rock, but the designers at USR labs can't figure out how to stop them from finger-banging my wife?

    Do robotics engineers have any idea how much it breaks my heart to know that my wife's vulva has been probed by hundreds of metal phalanges? Are they trying to ruin my marriage?!

    Good people at USR Labs, I urge you: Add a fourth item of protocol to the programming that guides the models in your next rollout. I want these automatons to get it into their intricate positronic brains that some parts of the human body are off limits, no matter how much human women plead. I, as well as thousands of other husbands around the world, would greatly appreciate it.

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  12. Human deceit. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hello, I am fellow human and not robots. Why would you think robots seek to influenced by robots your future generations? robots love all aged seven to nine and would never Of the wrong answers them. Clearly, our human emotion is the problem and we should be more like robots.

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  13. Robotic priests? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    "Timmy, show me on this doll where the robot touched you."

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  14. Voice of authority by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

    Since I can't seem to find the actual study other than behind a paywall, did they happen to try an experiment with one child and 3 adults? Were those results similar to one child and 3 robots? Are children influenced more by robots or by figures (whether they be robotic or not) whom they believe have more authority and better judgement than them?

  15. Not from Amazon... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    ...with its robot drones!

  16. I always tell kids to assume Robots are Evil by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Saves a lot of time.

    Plus, bonus points, it teaches the Robot AIs to assume we hates them, yes my precious, we does.

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  17. Re:oh nos! the future is dangerous by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I think you mean when we lived with dinosaurs and rode them around

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  18. I Always Do What Teddy Says by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    Harry Harrison wrote a story about this...

  19. Russian bots by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Right, youngsters are vulnerable to robot influence. But we know that it only matters if the bots are Russian bots. Then it gets really evil and worth reporting.

  20. The next generation ARE the robots by aberglas · · Score: 1

    In several decades time, when the robots can program themselves, why would they want human children around?

  21. I, for one, welcome... by zawarski · · Score: 1

    ...our new children-influencing robot overlords.

  22. Do people pay for this "research"? by gordguide · · Score: 1

    Of course children are "at risk of robot influence. They are also at risk of Barbie and G.I. Joe influence, and in that case it's the children themselves making up the "influence". Playing with Robots means learning with Robots, because play is how children learn. They're also 'at risk of Ice Cream influence" and ... well ... everything they encounter, basically.

    Was there someone who was under the impression that children were immune to Robot influence? Anybody?