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Engineers Say They've Created Way To Detect Weapons Using Wi-Fi (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: The researchers, which include engineers from Rutgers University-New Brunswick, Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI), and Binghamton University, published a study this month detailing a method in which common wifi can be used to easily and efficiently identify weapons, bombs, and explosive chemicals in public spaces that don't typically have affordable screening options. The researchers' system uses channel state information (CSI) from run-of-the-mill wifi. It can first identify whether there are dangerous objects in baggage without having to physically rifle through it. It then determines what the material is and what the risk level is. The researchers tested the detection system using 15 different objects across three categories -- metal, liquid, and non-dangerous -- as well as with six bags and boxes across three categories -- backpack or handbag, cardboard box, and a thick plastic bag.

The findings were pretty impressive. According to the researchers, their system is 99 percent accurate when it comes to identifying dangerous and non-dangerous objects. It is 97 percent accurate when determining whether the dangerous object is metal or liquid, the study says. When it comes to detecting suspicious objects in various bags, the system was over 95 percent accurate. The researchers state in the paper that their detection system only needs a wifi device with two to three antennas, and can run on existing networks.

91 comments

  1. how does it compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to existing xray machines?

    1. Re:how does it compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to existing xray machines?

      In ways somewhat similar to radar but with course grained imaging that can be software interpolated for image recognition. All and all a very interesting application low gain, high frequency rf. If you are a coder you can visualize the function calls necessary to use time and density of the return echo to the wifi device. A simple concept that can be refined with good coding and better antenna technologies. PS only posting as anon coward because I am using mods to downmod the asses that jump on this thread with trash posts.

    2. Re:how does it compare by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I imagine if you were to do a cost comparison, it would compare rather well.

      This likely isn't meant as a replacement for x-ray inspection machines, but could be a good solution for public venues such as concerts, stadiums, schools, etc.

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  2. They forgot..... by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

    They forgot I think to think about the trivial countermeasures, like lining the suitcases with aluminum foil, or using aluminum suitcases, or putting absorbent ferrite sheets in instead. You can't see what doesn't reflect or reflects all or absorbs a lot.

    1. Re:They forgot..... by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always figured the way to beat baggage screening was a kind of x-ray stenography. Pack your contraband items in close proximity to familiar and non-contraband items that are readily identifiable to x-ray screeners. Unless its entirely obvious, they will just assume the contraband is another similar item to what they can "see" and let it pass, or the item density and overlap will be such they can't quite make out anything and might just assume it's a collection of toiletries or some other innocuous content.

      Of course I just made this all up and don't have any experience in smuggling, so perhaps this is all just errant speculation.

    2. Re: They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. I used to smuggle Xanax pills in aspirin bottles.

    3. Re:They forgot..... by omnichad · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would think x-ray steganography would be a lot more useful. That is, unless you're arranging your contraband items in the shape of shorthand.

    4. Re:They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > trivial countermeasures, like lining the suitcases with aluminum foil

      Yes, because having a suitcase lined with aluminum foil is totally benign.

      > You can't see what doesn't reflect or reflects all or absorbs a lot.

      No, but you can make a note of something that DOES all those things. Normal suitcases don't.

    5. Re:They forgot..... by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      I used to pack my shampoo in the top of my garment back where it was surrounded by a dozen or so hangers.

      Never had an issue.

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    6. Re:They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nah. If the baggage inspectors can't detect what's in the suitcase with their machines, they'll just open the suitcase. With a five-dollar wrench, if need be.

    7. Re:They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, how would TSA ever get around such subterfuge? It's not like they can just open a bag that doesn't scan ...

    8. Re:They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't forget at all. Can't see the contents or something is "undetermined", just open it and physically look at it. Done.

      Doing as you suggests 100% guarantees a deep search of your shit (both your suitcase and possibly your anus)

    9. Re:They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They forgot I think to think about the trivial countermeasures, like lining the suitcases with aluminum foil, or using aluminum suitcases, or putting absorbent ferrite sheets in instead. You can't see what doesn't reflect or reflects all or absorbs a lot.

      People who have a criminal mind or terrorists will certainly find ways to get around any sensing tech. The peaceful applications of this aspect of wifi are much more interesting. For instance home security that recognizes a human presence approaching a building and alerts sleeping residents, records the images and activity and if no one answers the alarm or no one is at home and no one is supposed to be on the property it calls a security agency or the police.

    10. Re:They forgot..... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      The answer to that: "I'm sorry sir, we're going to need your consent to open your bag. If you don't give your consent, feel free to not enter the building / concert / stadium / whatever."

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    11. Re: They forgot..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cameras exist bro

    12. Re:They forgot..... by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Until I start selling them. "Keep your private things private." Show a lady being embarrassed by cops pulling out her gun shaped dildo. "Buy CastroTech Luggage."

    13. Re: They forgot..... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I put my paspport in a self-made holder made from ducktape with a tinfoil lining. O could easily put illegal things in it, like a boxcutter. Nobody ever asked to look inside during the 50 or so internatoonal flights I have dine since 2001.

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  3. Terrifying by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is absolutely horrific. You are telling me that these idiots who've gone along with the NSA illegally monitoring our traffic can now use state backdoors to identify every bit of gold/silver/gun wealth and resistance across the country? Wifi is everywhere and *I* can get into half the systems using nothing but default credentials.

    1. Re:Terrifying by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Assuming the gold/silver are in the form of jewelry, highly unlikely it will be distinguishable from wiring at a distance. This looks like it needs a device with a specific type of antenna to scan bags or people at close range.

    2. Re:Terrifying by shaitand · · Score: 2

      I'll have to finish reading the paper. But this doesn't sound good...

      "In this work,
      we leverage the fine-grained channel state information (CSI)
      that is readily available in low-cost WiFi devices to detect
      and identify suspicious objects hidden in baggage without
      intrusion (e.g., opening the bag)."

    3. Re:Terrifying by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      This doesn't mean the device can be arbitrarily far away from the bag, though.

    4. Re:Terrifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to check the AC button. You can't possibly believe what you typed. Except for the last sentence. Equipment installers are lazy.

    5. Re:Terrifying by Headw1nd · · Score: 5, Informative

      No need to panic, this is a method that uses a purposefully arraigned setup of wifi antennas to detect objects roughly 2 feet away, not some miracle technology that makes your home wifi able to scan your house. It's basically like cheaper version of an x ray machine at the airport monitored by an algorithm.

    6. Re:Terrifying by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

      *arranged

    7. Re:Terrifying by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"low-cost WiFi devices to detect and identify suspicious objects hidden in baggage without intrusion (e.g., opening the bag)."

      I guess that depends on one's definition of "intrusion" because I consider searching me or my stuff without probable cause to be intrusion, whether you do it with a physical search or some automated one at a distance. In fact, the latter is probably WORSE because it enables far more searching and the real possibility of it being done clandestinely.

      And, of course, just about anything can be a "weapon" in the hands of a "bad" person, and "weapons" are of little concern in the hands of "good" people. Too bad we can't have a "good" vs. "bad" person detector...

    8. Re:Terrifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/17/04/29/0518237/stray-wifi-signals-could-let-spies-see-inside-closed-rooms

    9. Re:Terrifying by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this requires a specific device that uses specific metrics of the radio waves to do what it does. You can't just turn some shit on in someone's off-the-shelf-at-Bestbuy router and image their whole house.

      Paranoid much?

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    10. Re:Terrifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wife devices *themselves* are important security information. It was hysterical fun when hundreds of access points, formerly from deep within the Soviet Union, turned up on mapping software as well over the border in the Ukraine, all the time the Russians denied that they had any troops in the Ukraine.

    11. Re:Terrifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"low-cost WiFi devices to detect and identify suspicious objects hidden in baggage without intrusion (e.g., opening the bag)."

      I guess that depends on one's definition of "intrusion" because I consider searching me or my stuff without probable cause to be intrusion, whether you do it with a physical search or some automated one at a distance. In fact, the latter is probably WORSE because it enables far more searching and the real possibility of it being done clandestinely.

      And, of course, just about anything can be a "weapon" in the hands of a "bad" person, and "weapons" are of little concern in the hands of "good" people. Too bad we can't have a "good" vs. "bad" person detector...

      And mind you that a bad actor can divise a means to make something go off when exposed to certain frequencies.

    12. Re:Terrifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wife devices *themselves* are important security information.

      Mainly the dildos.

    13. Re:Terrifying by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      And mind you that a bad actor can divise a means to make something go off when exposed to certain frequencies.

      A "bad actor" who has a trigger go off when exposed to 2.4GHz WiFi signals is also a "bad designer" and then a "bad dead person". Since it will probably trigger in his own residence, he's also a "bad tenant" or a "bad risk for a home loan".

      He would be a "good terrorist", however, since blowing himself up in his livingroom isn't very terrorizing, and we already know that the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

    14. Re:Terrifying by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"He would be a "good terrorist", however, since blowing himself up in his livingroom isn't very terrorizing"

      LOL!

    15. Re:Terrifying by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The FBI sets a utility pole surveillance camera. https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... (6/16/2016)
      Now another team looks in with wifi to map out the location from the outside in.

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    16. Re: Terrifying by wellingj · · Score: 1

      Ed Snowden called and said to stfu.

    17. Re:Terrifying by shaitand · · Score: 1

      That does assume it goes off in the presence of random 2.4ghz signals, very specific encrypted watermark type codes within those signals could be a bit more targeted but then that is also hardly anything new.

    18. Re:Terrifying by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I haven't thoroughly reviewed everything in the paper but I did scan it and the hardware used was off the shelf wifi cards, the rig was no more specialized than what you'd see geeks playing with in vans roaming around vegas at defcon and it was indicated that all that was needed was a commodity wifi device with 2-3 antennas. Although there are images of the setups they tested on and I could have missed it skimming, I didn't see any explicit mention of distances or range.

      The concern isn't what a handful of students are doing right now, the important thing is to raise enough alarm bells to incite proper level of paranoia and panic so that even a whiff of someone advancing down that avenue is met with appropriate outrage and shut down.

      This technology is using a frequency range that is poorly suited to it to detect physical properties, motion, and even chemical composition. Where do you think that leads with 5-10 years of advancement and crazy fast learning AI? It can do so through physical obstructions like bags, there are other projects to perform imaging and motion tracking with wifi.

    19. Re:Terrifying by shaitand · · Score: 1

      It's not really about what I believe it is about the direction something can go and making sure everyone is suitably paranoid so they shut down avenues that lead to government overreach before they are a problem. Once the government gets away with granting themselves power they never take it away or stop there because the people ultimately have only two options, ask them to pretty please respect the rules that say they can't do that or engage in violent revolt.

      The person who shoots an innocent citizen is most likely to be a police officer or a spouse. You should always be doubly skeptical of what you trust, it is true in science and it is true in life.

    20. Re: Terrifying by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Physics called and said that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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  4. there's an APP for that! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    I'll stick with my trusty ADE 651, thankyouverymuch!

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    1. Re: there's an APP for that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took it as it was 99 precent accurate at detecting the object but only 97 precent accurate in telling if that object was metal or liquid

    2. Re: there's an APP for that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I took it as it was 99 precent accurate at detecting the object but only 97 precent accurate in telling if that object was metal or liquid"

      Yes. I therefore will only use quicksilver guns in the future.

  5. not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what is ti 95% accurate or 99% accurate or some degree of accurate based on some unrecognised slapdash metric.

    1. Re:not convinced by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Signal reflectivity and object characterization is fairly evolved. 1-5% error is pretty clever, but it stands to get more testing, as the madness of what people bring in terms of metallic contraband is huge.

      Might it mistake a flask of booze rather than suntan lotion? I'm not sure. Could a big hunk of metal be mistaken for a pistol? Again, not sure. They have to prove effectiveness, or the litigation potential could make many lawyers really rich.

      Before a commercial deployment, I'm betting there are guidelines as regards the reality of what's possible. Until then, it's only speculation that it has inexpensive commercial potential-- and every pricey competitor will fight it-- for their loss of profits.

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  6. This isn't WiFi as such. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is using 2.4GHz microwaves to scan for certain types of objects (large metal objects, nitrogen-containing explosives). Basically a more advanced metal detector.

    1. Re:This isn't WiFi as such. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Basically a more advanced metal detector.

      ... aaaand now I'm trying to figure out how to rig it for finding gold nuggets in the earth...

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    2. Re:This isn't WiFi as such. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      So it's basically sneaky marketers renaming existing stuff, such as "agitation engineer" instead of "troll".

    3. Re:This isn't WiFi as such. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is using 2.4GHz microwaves to scan for certain types of objects (large metal objects, nitrogen-containing explosives). Basically a more advanced metal detector.

      Ah. So they won't see the 3d-printed use-once plastic gun, or the bomb made from liquid oxygen & alcohol. (No nitrogen.) Or the pistol disassembled into small parts. . .

    4. Re:This isn't WiFi as such. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Basically a more advanced metal detector.

      ... aaaand now I'm trying to figure out how to rig it for finding gold nuggets in the earth...

      And my first thought is that it wouldn't have much use with a 2' range. Then I started thinking about placer deposits in river bed rocks. Might be able to use it to determine if an area was worth digging up into a mining sluice. Of course, I have no real clue to the realities of prospecting for placer gold...or how these wifi things work.

  7. meaningless measures by Chris+Dodd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, from reading the paper, it seems like they've failed to measure the real effectiveness of their system -- they only measured the false negative rate and used just that for their "effectiveness". They never even bothered to check for or measure false positives. With such useless measures its easy to get a 100% effective system -- simply categorize everything as dangerous. Then your false negattive rate is 0% and your "effectiveness" is 100%.

    1. Re:meaningless measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. The numbers are complete BS. They only used 15 objects. These were already known to the researchers and they used the same ones for 6 months. The rating of 95% detection is for determining which of the 15 objects the detected concealed object is. When you have one gun and one not gun it should be easy to setup a system that can tell the difference between the two known objects. The real world has an almost limitless set of items which can be detected and types of bags in which they might be concealed. The 95% detection rate is not applicable to the problem of detecting previously unknown items in whatever container they may be in.

    2. Re:meaningless measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you even get to 99% with only 15 items and six bags?!? That is less than 100 possible tests is it not?
      Hmm, I come out with 98.8% so rounding I guess.

      It detected the gun in the paper bag 10 for 10 times, WIN!

      Of course if false positives don't count, anything that isn't 100% cotton = Dangerous, WIN!

      Sounds outlandish, testing methods are fishy. I'd bet it is rather useless when you learn all the details.

      Wait a minute...

      WiFi is not directional is it? WHOSE dangerous objects is it looking at? It detected a knife....how the hell does it detect WHOSE knife. Gonna triangulate a whole statdium from the antennas 4" apart?

      Uses current WiFi...while it is in use as a hotspot ?

    3. Re:meaningless measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactamundo! I have a test that is over 97.4% effective to detect form of cancer that I'll sell you. (I could claim 100% but no one would believe me. Just make the result of every test positive.)
      capsula: "cheated"

    4. Re:meaningless measures by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not just that, but it was 15 samples and they knew what was in the bags/boxes. Talk to me when they've done a thousand samples in a double-blind environment with real packed luggage that contains all the weird shit people put in bags like prescriptions, breast milk, vibrators, etc that the "scanner" operator has no idea what's in each bag.

      They ran off and claimed 95%+ detection and they've got no evidence at all of that kind of reliability. Scanning bags for dirt simple things like guns is hard, and scanning for anything like explosives is 100x as hard.

    5. Re:meaningless measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, from reading the paper, it seems like they've failed to measure the real effectiveness of their system -- they only measured the false negative rate and used just that for their "effectiveness". They never even bothered to check for or measure false positives.

      With such useless measures its easy to get a 100% effective system -- simply categorize everything as dangerous. Then your false negattive rate is 0% and your "effectiveness" is 100%.

      This just in... Researchers found that different objects reflect RF differently...

      In other news... RF has been found to be impacted by Mass, conductivity, distance, shape, volume, inter and intra object interactions, background signals, and the ground....

      They claim they can detect liquid... Betting if I put a huge bottle of Talk powder in the bag it would look similar to a smaller bottle of "Liquid". Also pretty sure they are not telling the difference between "Nitrogen" and Air... Which means they would probably trigger on the empty metal water bottles I take for my children when we fly.

      But hay... This seems just as accurate as TSA's current screening so .... lets fund it and worry about the issues later.

    6. Re:meaningless measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even at this stage of their research... already 99.9% more accurate than the tsa equipped with aggressive ego-tripping grab-assy personnel with sticky fingers, limitless supply of latex gloves, metal detectors, millimeter wave scanners, government-compiled watch/dnf lists, and the 'do what we say-or else' law on their side.

  8. Step two. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Time to fire the TSA! ;)

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    1. Re:Step two. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The time to fire the TSA was the day it was created, along with the moronic self-serving politicians that created it.

    2. Re:Step two. by nwf · · Score: 1

      Step 3: Profit!

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    3. Re:Step two. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to fire the TSA! ;)

      Alright, tell that to the relatives of the people who just watched a bridge collapse and kill a swack of people. Certainly the TSA has problems but the real problem is that it is completely necessary to stop corporations and so called "free enterprise" from running amok and killing people. Leave population control with the production of unsafe devices to the military industrial complex they are above "civilian" control. Today if you are afraid of government just take yourself off to the sticks and wear tin foil, but don't preach deregulation of transportation devices unless you intent to move to the sticks and live off the grid without highways and airports! The more we become accustomed to not being able to get away with carrying guns and explosives on mass transportation devices the less need to have the fucking things around in the first place. GO HOME and cry to your gun under your pillow and put on some sun screen, your redneck is showing.

      The real problem with the TSA is that the departmentalization is wonky and very much like the FBI, CIA, and NSA the competition and backstabbing that goes on within the framework leads to gaps in security. The lack of cooperation and innovations in all these essential branches of government is what lead to 911. GOD bless John O'Neil may his spirit find peace. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE AN INSULT TO HIS MEMORY!

  9. Percentage errors by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even 99% accurate is absolutely horrid for real-life situations. Let's take a case where one in a thousand items encountered are dangerous. I'm going to scale the numbers to make the results come out as integers. At 1 in 1000, if we start with 100,000 items we'll have 100 dangerous items and 99,900 non-dangerous. Of the dangerous items, the system will flag 99 as dangerous and 1 as non-dangerous. Of the non-dangerous items, the system will flag 98,901 as non-dangerous and 999 as dangerous. So out of 1,098 items flaged as dangerous, 90.98% of them will be non-dangerous. So a system that claims a 99% accuracy rate will have a 91% error rate when it comes to sounding the "Danger!" alarm. Only 9% of the time will that alarm actually indicate danger, the other 91% of the time it's a false alarm.

    The above is why 5-nines (99.999% accuracy) is the baseline for workable systems.

    1. Re:Percentage errors by ebrandsberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      You apparently don't understand the failure rate of traditional TSA detection methods: https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188, and that is for airports.

    2. Re:Percentage errors by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I go to a festival, they search every bag for liquid, with I don't know what kind of a failure rate, but it's more than 1% of the bags of wine wrapped in towels that get through.

      With this system, they can more thoroughly search 1% of the bags, and only have 1% get through.

      Seems like it could be useful to me.

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    3. Re:Percentage errors by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

      This is a common argument against 99% type solutions, however you are misusing in this case. Using this device when the items are "flagged", all that means is that a human will have to check the item. In the current system, humans have to check every item, so by your numbers they will be checking 100,000 the items, with a detection rate of 0.1%! Using this system as a prescreener can reduce the number of items humans must check by 100 times, improving the detection rate by almost as much.

    4. Re:Percentage errors by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The above is why 5-nines (99.999% accuracy) is the baseline for workable systems.

      There are no systems in the world meeting your imaginary requirements.

      Don't let perfect become the enemy of good.

  10. Re:You know what else is detected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad your balls are in that prostitutes pocket and are entirely made of silicone.

  11. iGun by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why I always put my iRifle on airplane mode when I don't want to be detected.

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  12. But what about the guys doing the old scanning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only will they be out of a job, but they won't be able to supplement their income by taking items from bags.

  13. weird by MJhasHIV · · Score: 1

    strange

  14. Can it find combustable lemons? by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    It can't hurt to ask.

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    1. Re:Can it find combustable lemons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asking for a friend?

  15. Easy Solution by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They forgot I think to think about the trivial countermeasures

    Not really because these have trivial solutions: just flag any bag which shows a huge amount of reflection or none at all as suspicious. Then, instead of a quick automated scan, you can be detained by security and wait while they rummage through your bag.

    1. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think detecting there is a large void in an object is harder than detecting there is a large flashy object floating in space in the detection range.

    2. Re:Easy Solution by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      This is precisely why I get stopped at the airport for an additional check. I often carry large lenses through in hand baggage and at Schiphol they happily show you a picture of your bag, including the fact that you can't see anything in most of the bag when the bag is filled with large chunks of glass.

  16. Nothing new here by m2shariy · · Score: 1

    Positive Molecular Locator is well-known device which works exactly in the same way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  17. So, that's awesome, one in 20 inconvenienced? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose that's a better rate than currently...

  18. Oh I can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until I get a SWAT team deployed because the Wi-Fi triggered on my oversized ( 500mm ) camera lens :|

  19. A cool experiment, not a practical solution by Jfetjunky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This was an interesting experiment done by some students. It's not some amazing new idea that is going to revolutionize security. First off, they only tested it by putting the object directly between the transmitter and the receiver. And like 10m apart. So, basically like every other type of scanner around. You're still going to have to walk through it. So while that might make it easier to implement a scanner type device, it's not like suddenly anywhere with WIFI can start scanning all the people around it at will.

    Unfortunately, the reporting is lacking in highlighting this. I suspect, frankly, because those reporting on it don't really understand what they're looking at.

    The method of detection in this case is rather crude. In reality, no fancy countermeasures are necessary. Take your contraband item and simply enclose it in the shape of something harmless, and this system would be immediately fooled.

    1. Re:A cool experiment, not a practical solution by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

      It's worse than that. They used wifi because that's what they had at hand. It had nothing to do with computers, only with having electromagnetic response on a certain spectrum.

      The article doesn't understand anything about the practicality of the study, nor the real technologies, and don't care a bit because they want clickbait articles to make money. The fact that this study is relayed (out of maybe hundred of others) is actually because they used wifi devices for their experiments, which people know and use everyday -- and will then freak out every time they are in a room with wifi.

      As usual : scientist perform experiments ; journalists pick the 3 words they recognized and write crazy articles.

    2. Re:A cool experiment, not a practical solution by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Experiment, sure...
      New police radars can 'see' inside homes (Jan. 19, 2015)
      https://www.usatoday.com/story...
      Technologies that see through the walls (July 7, 2015)
      https://www.kaspersky.com/blog...

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  20. Sounds like tomography by Solandri · · Score: 1

    In tomography, you shoot a known signal through a target at a certain location and direction. Then based on how the signal is altered at your receiver, you back out what it could've gone through to cause that alteration. Do this at enough locations and directions, and you can build up a picture of what's in between. Basically how a CAT scan works (Computer Aided Tomography - shoots x-rays through the body in different directions).

    There's nothing particularly new about tomography. It's been known about and used for decades (though it didn't really take off until computers could do the grunt work of crunching the numbers). What's new here is that they're using WiFi signals (microwaves) instead of x-rays, and their transmitter and receiver are just a regular WiFi router and access card. I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that such commercial grade equipment has enough sensitivity to be used this way. If you take the sensitivity of a modern cellular phone radio (typically transmits at 100-250 mW) and convert it to the visual spectrum, it's roughly equivalent to (assuming no line of sight issues) standing in Washington D.C. and being able tell if a candle (about 1 Watt of light) has been lit in Philadelphia 140 miles away.

  21. Pandora's box ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... because it will be monetized.

    "Psst ... wanna buy newer underwear?"

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    1. Re:Pandora's box ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL Chris, that's the only "box"* you've ever seen..

      *box: slang for vagina

    2. Re: Pandora's box ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Of course haha. We worry about the security implications but the worst always turns out to be advertising. I'll take adblock on my luggage, please.

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    3. Re:Pandora's box ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In America, we call it snatch. ~ CaptainDork

  22. Fun things to do at an airport by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Mold crushed up aluminium foil in the shape of a gun and put it in your carry on bag, watch the expression on the face of the xray operator!

    1. Re:Fun things to do at an airport by PPH · · Score: 1

      and put it in your carry on bag

      No. We're putting it in your carry-on bag.

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    2. Re:Fun things to do at an airport by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      That would be illegal, smuggling an item in someone else's bag.

      I don't advocate being a criminal.

  23. Real use case by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if is able to distinguish between a metal laptop case filled with explosive and a real laptop. If it does not, then it is of little help.

  24. Seriously? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

    It FIRST detects if something is dangerous, with 99% accuracy, and THEN detects if it is metal or liquid? Don't you all see that this is mumbo jumbo? It makes no sense at all.

  25. well article not complete, by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    The article is missing some vital information, making it look like it works excellent. BUT it really doesn't, it only works with 0,5 meter range and only detected the stuff correctly if it was in a specific position... Wake me up when it works in a range of 3-5 meter (a normal passage way in a subway/airport/whatever) and detects it correctly in any position. Also wonder how it works if one would line the inside of a bag with aluminiumsheets (or even some copper wiring)