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'Americans Own Less Stuff, and That's Reason To Be Nervous' (bloomberg.com)

Bloomberg's Tyler Cowen writes about "the erosion of personal ownership and what that will mean for our loyalties to traditional American concepts of capitalism and private property." An anonymous Slashdot reader shares the report: The main culprits for the change are software and the internet. For instance, Amazon's Kindle and other methods of online reading have revolutionized how Americans consume text. Fifteen years ago, people typically owned the books and magazines they were reading. Much less so now. If you look at the fine print, it turns out that you do not own the books on your Kindle. Amazon.com Inc. does. I do not consider this much of a practical problem. Although Amazon could obliterate the books on my Kindle, this has happened only in a very small number of cases, typically involving account abuse. Still, this licensing of e-books, instead of stacking books on a shelf, has altered our psychological sense of how we connect to what we read -- it is no longer truly "ours."

The change in our relationship with physical objects does not stop there. We used to buy DVDs or video cassettes; now viewers stream movies or TV shows with Netflix. Even the company's disc-mailing service is falling out of favor. Music lovers used to buy compact discs; now Spotify and YouTube are more commonly used to hear our favorite tunes. Each of these changes is beneficial, yet I worry that Americans are, slowly but surely, losing their connection to the idea of private ownership. The nation was based on the notion that property ownership gives individuals a stake in the system. It set Americans apart from feudal peasants, taught us how property rights and incentives operate, and was a kind of training for future entrepreneurship. We're hardly at a point where American property has been abolished, but I am still nervous that we are finding ownership to be so inconvenient.

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  1. Hardly by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " I worry that Americans are, slowly but surely, losing their connection to the idea of private ownership. The nation was based on the notion that property ownership gives individuals a stake in the system. "

    Hardly. It made us into a bunch of hoarders.

    I know I don't own my kindle books, I'm using Kindleunlimited for a couple of bucks a month and I read a book almost every day. (I'm retired) Much cheaper than buying them.
    After my first kindle (I'm on my 6th) I donated almost 5000 books to a local library and now I got a full new room I can use.
    I also got rid of my music tapes, my music cassettes, my music vinyl, my music CDs, my super8 films, my betamax, Video2000 and VHS tapes, my Laser-disks, DVDs and blurays,Ditto for my photo albums.

    A small server does all that now.

    Good riddance.

    1. Re:Hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It made us into a bunch of hoarders.

      Same here. When they stopped selling things I could legally play, I simply stopped buying. That doesn't mean I switched to rentals, though. And I don't abstain, either.

      Netflix didn't kill owned media. DRM killed owned media. It changed the most reasonable consumer approach from buying to pirating.

      You should pirate too. You. The person reading this. Stop paying money until they are willing to sell you something that you are allowed to play.

      Your life will be easier, have almost no ads at all, you'll have massively more selection, and shit is just overall all-around nicer. You also might save a little money too, if that matters.

    2. Re:Hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You make good points. But the OP left out on important thing - take for example pieces of history than can (and have) been altered over time such that changes are made en-mass to all know copies at the touch of a button. Recently "little house" has original has fallen out of favor because of certain language. All CURRENT copies have been edited. The only way to read the original is if you find it in a REAL book.

      To your point, I do find it more convenient, but future generations may pay dearly for that convenience when history as _THIS_GENERATION_ knows is ceases to exist and is replaced by whatever the content holders wish.

      Need another example - Original version of Star Wars where Han shoots first. Can you stream that anywhere (legally)? didn't think so - the story has been altered, and future generations are none the wiser.

    3. Re:Hardly by Jetstream · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I may be wrong (or old-fashioned), but isn't it the possession of those actual CDs & cassettes that give you the license to listen to the content on them? Once you pass those on to someone else, aren't you technically also giving away the license to listen to the content? (Not that anyone's going to be knocking on your door to check that all the content on your server is properly licensed. ......... probably.....)

    4. Re:Hardly by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After my first kindle (I'm on my 6th) I donated almost 5000 books to a local library and now I got a full new room I can use.
      I also got rid of my music tapes, my music cassettes, my music vinyl, my music CDs, my super8 films, my betamax, Video2000 and VHS tapes, my Laser-disks, DVDs and blurays,Ditto for my photo albums.

      A small server does all that now.

      Good riddance.

      Are you backed up in duplicate on two, non co-located mirror servers or drives?

      I hope so.

    5. Re:Hardly by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It didn't take an EMP to destroy the Library of Alexandria.

    6. Re:Hardly by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think you quite got the point of TFA. If you ripped and stored it, you still have ownership. It won't go poof just because you didn't make a subscription payment of someone somewhere changed their mind.

      TFA is about things that go poof.

    7. Re:Hardly by vlad30 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My anecdotal evidence from personal observation is the size of land and homes McMansions dominate small blocks where people think all there entertainment is inside then they get an idea to buy a Boat, caravan and suddenly its cluttering the street as the house block doesn't have room to store it then they get rid of it when the local authorities complain same goes for garages and work areas to do physical hobbies even gardens, there is no pride in paying a landscaper to do all the work, then letting it all die or worse when you ask them how it was achieved, they answer I was too busy so I paid a this guy I'll give you his number - while they FB,snapchat,whatsapp etc on there phone.

      this translates to work if you lack pride at home chances are you lack pride in your work If you can't have that expensive hobby you have little reason other than paying bills to work. Even having physical books was often a source of pride. Shelves of books magazines etc showed your interest in something rather than whats trending on twitter. Its interesting when you ask what someones hobby is these days most people don't have an answer.

      A small server might do the functional but it doesn't pull the heart strings

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  2. Conservation of resources is a negative now? by asackett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I don't burn fossil fuels acquire a book made of murdered trees processed with toxic chemicals, and instead transfer some bytes down a wire, I'm a bad American?

    Yeah, right.

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  3. Having less junk around sounds good to me by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The notion of "ownership" makes perfect sense for things like houses and cars. For books, DVDs, and other IP-based materials? Not so much.

    1. Re:Having less junk around sounds good to me by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of the new Millennial hipster types don't even own their house or car.

      I feel like that has more to do with the ballooning price of new cars and homes verses the stagnant growth in wages the last few decades than anything.

  4. Fewer of some, more of others by cirby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a much smaller physical library than I used to, true.

    I dumped almost all of my old magazines.

    But I have a LOT more of the sort of gadgets that I used to have one of, at most. Multiple desktop computers, a couple of laptops, several tablets, a phone, and an array of VR gear.

    Smaller number of things overall, but much more concentrated value, in general.

  5. Trillions in consumer debt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Americans haven’t “owned” anything in 2-3 generations. This trend is bad news for creditors and other bloodsuckers.

    I read more books and listen to more music than 10, 20 or 30 years ago. I call that an improvement, not a problem.

    I still have boxes of old paper books and CDs. They don’t give me an iota of an extra stake in some high ideal of ownership in America.

  6. Most people don’t even own their own homes by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and that is capitalism’s fault, not an attack on capitalism. Capitalism wants most people owning nothing and being beholden to the property-owning elites.

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  7. I "own" most of my digital stuff. by Voice+of+satan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My ebooks are epubs stored on two RAID hard disks. I do not bother with kindles, my ereader is a cybook muse HD. They cannot erase my stuff. My music and videos are also files on my hard disc. I still have some classical books on real shelves. I took the habit of favouring digital books while growing up in Europe's tiny apartments.

    My steam library is licensed stuff that could disappear, though. My GOG games are "mine" but i could end up with incompatibilities with a too recent Linux distro and have my stuff unplayable. Although with all those emulators and retro computing stuff you never know.

    To each his own. I like my way of managing my digital assets. If you prefer other methods, more power for you. :)

  8. Quality is the problem by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Property ownership becomes a burden when you buy things that don't last as long as they should.

  9. Re: Millennial murder spree! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their parants overconsumed is all.

    100 years you didnt have all of these entertainment options to waste your money on and probably felt it was more important to save for a rainy day

  10. It's a problem because of the poor by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Middle class folks who own house and decent cars and have nice furniture in their homes probably can't relate to this, but a few books, records and some cheap Jewelry is pretty much the extent of the property most poor folks can accumulate. Having a large chunk of that become ephemeral may very well have consequences. Imagine having 20-30% of your populace feeling like they don't own anything. Conservative ideology generally comes from having something to lose. Lower income people are often very conservative as a result. Taking that away could change that political dynamic...

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  11. Re:Most people don’t even own their own home by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Capitalism doesn't "want" anything.

    Assholes who claim to be capitalists (but are mostly crony-capitalists) want this.

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  12. Re: Millennial murder spree! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reading books is much more important than owning them. EBooks eliminates waste.

    Owning DVDs doesn't strike me as an important thing in life.

    Still, despite these two things, I own a crapload of stuff.

  13. Re: Millennial murder spree! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Better still, reading ebooks you actually own.

  14. Re:that's not the reason by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Politics in the US since Ronnie Raygun (may his memory be dust) became President have been more regressive than progressive.

    A simple look at government spending and the size of federal regulations says otherwise.

    More specifically, the stagnation of middle-class incomes and the sluggish growth are clearly the result of more regulations (labor, environmental, health care, etc.) and more public spending.

    Though Reagan paid lip service to the problems of big government and the need to return to a liberal democracy, Reagan little to actually rein in progressivism.

  15. Information vs physical objects by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Americans own less information, be it books, music or software. Heck, Americans have given up rights to their own information, tacitly trading it for services, like use of email and social media. Or to companies like Equifax, which our politicians allowed to happen.

    But physical objects? Kitchen knives, cars, houses, desks - that non-information stuff I think is harder to force a lease on. But if companies can figure out a way to force consumers to lease physical objects, that will happen too.

  16. Re:Most people don’t even own their own home by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adam Smith wrote nothing about capitalism he wrote about free markets. Try actually reading him.

    The term “capitalism” was coined by a socialist. Its conflation with “free market” (and “socialism”’s conflation with “command economy”) is the propagandist redefinition.

    The particular words you use don’t matter so long as you use enough of them to distinguish four different things:

    -a market where ownership is widely distributed among many people

    -the opposite of that, a market where it is concentrated in a few hands who can use that to exploit others

    - the orthogonal matter of a market where trades are dictated by a central authority

    - and the opposite of that, a market where trades are made freely between equals

    If you only use one word (“socialism”) for 1 and 3, and another word (“capitalism”) for 2 and 4, or worse still only talk about 3 and 4 using those words while others are talking about 1 and 2 using the same words, then it’s impossible to even have a meaningful discussion about any of this.

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  17. complicity reduction would be good, but... by cas2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Normally, anything that reduces the average citizen's complicity in their own oppression by the powers that be(*) is a good thing....but replacing ownership of personal property with rental and/or licensing does not achieve that. it's worse. It removes even the choice to "opt-out" if/when you decide your life would be much better without wage-slavery (not uncommon if you manage to pay off your house mortgage or otherwise own it outright).

    (*) i.e. the actual capitalists (not the working and middle-classes who have been deluded into thinking that THEY are capitalists), the 0.001%, those who actually own & control everything of significant value - including the "means of production".

  18. Re: Millennial murder spree! by cas2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Social Security "runs out of money," retirees will be paid from the General Fund. If that doesn't happen, there is no place on Earth that the Senators and Representatives can hide to escape the wrath of the retirees.

    no place on earth? of course there is. it's called "outside the concentration camp walls" - because a concentration camp is where the outraged pensioners will end up if they don't shut the fuck up to avoid getting labelled "terrorist".

    what, you thought all those fascist "anti-terror" laws were about suicide bombers and angry white men with guns? get real! it's preparation for when the general public finally realise how badly we're all being fucked over by the corporate kleptocrats and their servant politicians.

  19. Re: Millennial murder spree! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The SSI trust is backed by the full faith and power of the US Federal government, if it goes bust, then we're going to have much bigger problems than the loss of our entire retirement savings. We likely won't have a functioning military or law enforcement either.

    And yes, I mean entire retirement savings as those stocks and bonds, assuming that one is lucky enough to have any, will also lost nearly their entire value.

    The real issue is that the government, especially under GOP administrations, likes to borrow from the trust with no particular intention of paying the money back and when those tax bills come due, it's going to result in significant inflation as you know damn well that neither party is committed to doing the things that are necessary to make it work, namely increasing the ceiling on social security tax collection and taxing the wealthiest individuals and corporations, the ones that got rich in part by stiffing employees on pay and retirement benefits.

  20. This IS feudal system by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The nation was based on the notion that property ownership gives individuals a stake in the system. It set Americans apart from feudal peasants

    Nothing set that apart from the feudal system. If you consider property ownership as the base of political participation, you basically have the feudal system back with the guys at the end of the food chain being the poor peasants and the guys with money who run the country.

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  21. Re: Millennial murder spree! by MartinG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Retaining access to books in a form that :

    1) Can't later be withdrawn by the owner.
    2) Guarantees the contents can't later be revised after publication.
    3) It's possible to give to or share with others in future.
    4) Reading can't be monitored or controlled by others.

    These things are not often important, but sometimes they can be _very_ important.

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