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'Calculators Killed the Standard Statistical Table' (sas.com)

theodp writes: In an obituary of sorts for the standard probability tables that were once ubiquitous in introductory statistics textbooks, Rick Wicklin writes: "In my first probability and statistics course, I constantly referenced the 23 statistical tables (which occupied 44 pages!) in the appendix of my undergraduate textbook. Any time I needed to compute a probability or test a hypothesis, I would flip to a table of probabilities for the normal, t, chi-square, or F distribution and use it to compute a probability (area) or quantile (critical value). If the value I needed wasn't tabulated, I had to manually perform linear interpolation from two tabulated values. I had no choice: my calculator did not have support for these advanced functions. In contrast, kids today have it easy! When my son took AP statistics in high school, his handheld calculator (a TI-84, which costs about $100) could compute the PDF, CDF, and quantiles of all the important probability distributions. Consequently, his textbook did not include an appendix of statistical tables."

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  1. So what? by mschaffer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was in one of the last years my high school taught to use sliderules. Fancy ones already had trig scales. Didn't need the trig tables anymore.

    1. Re:So what? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Lucky you. In my day we had to use an abacus.

    2. Re: So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All of those are functionally better than a calculator. A slide rule, abacus or knots on a string all provide a spacial metaphor for values. These spacial metaphors allow your brain to visualize a value's meaning, even when transitioning to calculator. Without this, the answer is just a food pellet delivered by magic when the feeder bar is pressed.

    3. Re:So what? by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Freshman year in college, learning how to use a sliderule was mandatory. A year later they were gone, completely disappeared. The TI SR-50 killed them.

    4. Re:So what? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a LOT better than the knots-on-strings I learned with.

      I remember when string was invented. It saved time on having to make arrays of chars.

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    5. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Knots-on-strings? I WISH were so lucky! We had to use chalk on the sides of buffalo. And they were always moving around and rolling answers off in the dust. I had to repeat grade 5 because a spit ball spooked my exam results.

    6. Re: So what? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      We were one of the first cohorts to go into the exams where calculators were permitted.

      But we were taught slide rules (and tables) a) in case your calculator went tits up and b) because some things, like how equal intervals represents equal multiplicands were good for illustrating how logs worked.

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    7. Re:So what? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Freshman year in college, learning how to use a sliderule was mandatory. A year later they were gone, completely disappeared. The TI SR-50 killed them.

      "Anyone who can't use a slide rule is a cultural illiterate and should not be allowed to vote."

      (Robert Heinlein, in "Have Space Suit, Will Travel")

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    8. Re:So what? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah yes, chalk on moving buffalo.

      'Course, there's an emacs command for that.

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    9. Re:So what? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      When I was about 12 I got the standard pack of setsquares, compasses and sliderule.

      The sliderule itself seems to be in some kind of quantum relationship with its instruction booklet - I haven't seen both at the same time since about 1976. Luckily, when it's in plastic form it's relatively easy to work it out from first principles plus a bit of trial and error.

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  2. Not a problem. by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just don't see this as a problem. At some point, you have to consider whether NOT walking to school in 12 feet of snow up hill both ways somehow contributed to a better education that allows us to do the amazing things we do these days. Some things simply harder, without being better.

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    1. Re:Not a problem. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      I just don't see this as a problem. At some point, you have to consider whether NOT walking to school in 12 feet of snow up hill both ways somehow contributed to a better education that allows us to do the amazing things we do these days. Some things simply harder, without being better.

      Knowing how to use things like slide rules still expands the mind, even if you never use them in practice.

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  3. The only problem here I see... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is TI-84s still cost $100.

    1. Re:The only problem here I see... by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 2

      That's cheap! I paid $129 each for all three models of TI calculator I was required to use in college in mid-1990's. None of them played Missile Command like the $500 HP calculators did that the electrical engineer students had.

    2. Re:The only problem here I see... by smi.james.th · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/768/

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    3. Re:The only problem here I see... by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      yes, they do. the shit you're talking about isn't allowed and the real calculator is required.

  4. Well, yeah. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Informative

    There used to be books of nothing but tables of logarithms and other mathematical tables, like trig functions. You used them when you needed more significant places in your answer than a slide rule could give you. I still have the one my dad used in college. They don't make those any more.

  5. And plenty of other things by Flexagon · · Score: 2

    Slide rules, log tables, trig tables, knowledge on how to interpolate for intermediate values in those tables. In fact, much of the non-pictorial content in the math version of the CRC. Then graphing calculators killed off that part too. All that, and the monumental amount of work that it once took to compute those tables by hand, with occasional errors, before computing devices did them. One thing I don't lament is that those tables typically listed function values to a set number of decimal places, not significant figures. Or hauling around those big books.

  6. First. World. Problems: Paper isn't wasted by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First. World. Problems: We no longer waste paper to print archaic Mathematical tables /sarcasm OH NOES!

    You know what else is "dead" ?

    * Slide rule
    * Tables of common Logarithms
    * Tables of Trigonometric functions

    Guess what, nobody is stopping you from buying those tables from old CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics which have them.

    Apparently you didn't get the memo that a cheap calculator is "good enough."

    What's next?

    Whining that we don't have rotary telephones? Black and White televisions?

  7. Lazarus Long by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now we're getting to the point where: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

  8. Re:Well, yeah. by jstott · · Score: 2

    There used to be books of nothing but tables of logarithms and other mathematical tables, like trig functions. You used them when you needed more significant places in your answer than a slide rule could give you. I still have the one my dad used in college. They don't make those any more.

    Yes they do. Stegun and Abramowitz ("Handbook of Mathematical Functions," Dover Books, originally NIST) is what I use and it's still in print. Cost is about $30 from Amazon. If you want tables of integrals, Gradshtyen and Ryzhik is also available, but I can't tell if it's still being printed or that's just new-old-stock copies they're selling. Cover is the same as my 25-year-old copy.

    -JS

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  9. Babbage by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

    Just a few days ago I was watching an old documentary which stated that the impetus for Charles Babbage creating the Difference Engine was his frustration with dealing with inaccurate mathmatical tables. I was skeptical of this claim, but at least Wikipedia backs it up:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  10. Re:Well, yeah. by john.r.strohm · · Score: 3, Informative

    They still do.

    CRC Handbook of Standard Mathematical Tables

    https://www.amazon.com/Standar...

  11. great tune by sacrilicious · · Score: 2

    'Calculators Killed the Standard Statistical Table'

    That's the name of my favorite Buggles song!

    I think.

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  12. Re:Well, yeah. by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If and when that happens, the world would have far greater problems than dealing w/ multiplication or trigonometry. Going from an electrified society to one where the day lasts only as long as one can see is asking for major adjustments

  13. Re:Well, yeah. by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2

    Yes and no. The survivors will initially have more to worry about than computing a sinc value of finding a F value, but if they want to rebuild to a technological civilization these tables will be amongst the most valuable artefacts on the planet. The ability to do complex calculations will cut decades off the recovery time for getting out technology back.

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  14. Pure Luxury by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Chalk on buffalos? Pure luxury. Back when I learnt maths buffalo hadn't evolved and sedimentary rock hadn't yet formed. We used to use write in the ash from an erupting volcano while dodging their lava flows and running Fortran code in our heads and, if we were lucky, the volcano would explode and kill us all before the calculation was done.

    ....but you tell that to kids nowadays and they just don't believe you!