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Evidence is Piling Up That Facebook Can Incite Racial Violence (technologyreview.com)

Higher use of the world's dominant social network has now been strongly linked with more attacks on refugees in Germany. From a report: Greater use, greater violence: Specifically, in towns where "per-person Facebook use rose to one standard deviation above the national average," attacks on refugees "increased by about 50 percent," the New York Times reported today, citing a University of Warwick study. Researchers there carried out a detailed analysis of more than 3,000 incidents in Germany over a two-year period. Crucially, the link held true regardless of the city's size, political leanings, or economic status -- and didn't correlate with general patterns of internet use. Those findings strengthen the case that using Facebook in particular can be a driving mechanism of greater violence.

Greater scrutiny: That's more bad news for the embattled social network, which has long portrayed itself as a benevolent company driven by a mission to draw the world closer together. But researchers recently found that coordinated hate speech and propaganda on the site helped fuel violence in Myanmar. And last year, Facebook itself eventually acknowledged that Russian agents had posted tens of thousands of inflammatory posts -- which reached tens of millions of people -- before and after the 2016 presidential election, in a massive campaign to deepen divisions in the United States.

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  1. No kidding by timholman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Evidence is Piling Up That Facebook Can Incite Racial Violence

    The entire purpose of Facebook is to monetize having people at each others' throats ... because it increases engagement, and makes Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook's shareholders that much richer. Of course Facebook is inciting racial violence, along with political violence, criminal violence, school violence, and any other violence you can think of. If money can be made from it, Facebook will provide more of it.

    I have friends who have stopped speaking to each other because of Facebook. It will only get worse, because Wall Street demands higher returns from the company, which means .... more violence.

    1. Re:No kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Evidence is Piling Up That Facebook Can Incite Racial Violence

      The entire purpose of Facebook is to monetize having people at each others' throats ... because it increases engagement, and makes Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook's shareholders that much richer. Of course Facebook is inciting racial violence, along with political violence, criminal violence, school violence, and any other violence you can think of. If money can be made from it, Facebook will provide more of it.

      I have friends who have stopped speaking to each other because of Facebook. It will only get worse, because Wall Street demands higher returns from the company, which means .... more violence.

      Complete and utter bullshit.

      Facebook is not inciting violence. What you are seeing is an unintended side effect of people having, for the first time in human history, the ability to instantly communicate with millions of other people, allowing then to speak out against things going on in the world that they are unhappy about, such as civilized countries being overrun with third world filth.

      This is not a defense of Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg and everyone associated with Facebook can fuck off and die for all I care. But blaming Facebook for "hate speech" and "attacks on refugees in Germany" is simply using them as a convenient scapegoat and ignoring the real problems faced by society.

    2. Re:No kidding by Kokuyo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have sincere doubts about our level of civilization.

      There's enough first world filth around to make the third world filth the lesser problem.

    3. Re:No kidding by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you and the parent are both kind of right and your opinions less contradictory than you think.

      I can remember when Facebook was pretty new and the Facebook newsfeed was a chronological list of your freinds' posts. Then they started manipulating it in various ways, people would comment on not seeing some posts by people they used to, then the flood of companies, advertising and so forth until the 'newsfeed' was a totally manipulated entity where "engagement" was somehow a barometer of clickbaitiness and controversy.

      I think Facebook mostly aligned the newsfeed with how wound up people got, their version of engagement. As it turns out, others found out that with enough effort you could use that to push controversial issues on Facebook since their controversy was likely to result in high levels of "engagement".

      Dislike of refugees in Germany is just another controversy that Facebook's system manages to amplify. And it's not that people aren't *actually* upset in Germany over immigration. Merkel is barely hanging onto her job after bulk-importing Syrians and larger Germany society is taking a beating for suppressing news/discussion of ethnic conflicts within Germany.

      After a while, it's hard to separate the organic anger about issues and the amplified version of it. And there's a point at which being bombarded with people's marginally informed outrage constantly just makes you hostile. I had to quit using Facebook, despite its ease of keeping me informed on some people/family I liked, because it was making me really dislike people I actually liked in real life, people I invite to my house for dinner and have long conversations with without being angry.

  2. Cause, or effect? by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cause, or effect?

    I know the conventional wisdom is that we're all supposed to be hating on Facebook now (I mean, they practically GAVE Trump's election to Cambridge Analytica, amirite? It couldn't be that people seriously voted for Trump...they must have been TRICKED by FACEBOOK!), but this explanation is not only terrifically timely for the meme, it's altogether too pat.

    I rather suspect that if one could measure the intensity and frequency of gossip pre-Facebook, one would find a "disturbing" correlative uptick in gossip to all sorts of things...that people like to gossip about. If one correlates an uptick in FB postings to hate crimes, one has to evaluate further if the postings are legitimate or false - I sincerely doubt anyone in the media is going to admit that "well maybe those people complaining about those illegals might have been justified"...ever.

    Humans have always, generally, hated strangers in their midst. It's a tribal thing. Strangers with different habits, hair, clothes, language, food, and especially SKIN COLOR have always been easier to target for frustrations.

    It doesn't help that there seem to be a sadly-not-"fake news" plethora of stories about crime and illegals* like Mollie Tibbetts and Kathryn Steinle - nearly 25% of Federal prisoners are illegal immigrants. Racism is not acceptable, but not wanting criminals in ones' community is a pretty reasonable desire.

    *they're not "undocumented" - that's a flat-out lie; "undocumented" implies that they just don't happen to have their papers, or that such papers actually exist - they're illegal immigrants and farcical games with language only makes it clearer to some that there's a collusive effort to hide that.

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  3. King Maker by seoras · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Evidence is Piling Up That Mark Zuckerberg doesn't realise that he's now wielding, badly, the same power that Rupert Murdoch once enjoyed playing King Maker with.
    If election meddling (you decide if it has happened or not) is now done on the FB platform then Zuckerberg is effectively renting out that power.
    Easier to strip him of it, or try to get leverage on him, to get a slice of that power yourself.

    When ever I read these sensational headlines the single piece of information that I think would be the most useful isn't what I'm being told it's "who's behind it?"
    Who started the gossip and the whispers?
    There in lies another problem with our media. This Murdoch understood well. It's easy to hide behind your employee journalists, editors and tamper with the world on a grand scale than to do so out in the open.

    Zuckerberg is very much out in the open and very exposed.

  4. How is this common sense stuff by cdsparrow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Always presented as important news? None of this internet stuff is fundamentally new, it's just more efficient. If a pamphlet or a town crier can influence people's minds, facebook can too - because that's all it is.

    Same situation as sharing songs on the internet. Nothing different than recording something onto reel to reel from a radio 60 years ago, just more efficient.

  5. Re: No shit, they can influence an election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It's one thing to report the news, its an entirely another issue to only report opinions and opinions as facts

    Just like the news media does every day

    Facebook itself eventually acknowledged that Russian agents had posted tens of thousands of inflammatory posts -- which reached tens of millions of people -- before and after the 2016 presidential election, in a massive campaign to deepen divisions in the United States.

    Just like the U.S. news media does every day.

  6. Re: No shit, they can influence an election by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    News, Opinions, Paid News and Fake News... those are the options

    There is no such thing as 'Fake News'.

    There are Facts, Opinions and Lies.

    Those are the only options.

  7. Echo chambers are bad, m'kay by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook feeds people stuff similar to what they have "liked" before, setting up another echo chamber.

    Earlier today I was noticing that if CNN were my primary source of news, I'd really dislike conservatives and Republicans; if Fox were my primary source, I'd have a disdain for liberals and Democrats. It's my understanding that Facebook is even worse, and it is the number one most popular source of "news", as I recall. Certain comedians are also among the top sources people cite as where they get their "news" (apparently confusing jokes mixed with propaganda for news).

    On Slashdot, at least I talk to people who have a point of view different from my own. Occasionally they are calm and rational, presenting a cogent argument. What's really great is when they also are adult enough to listen to my opposing viewpoint and discuss where we each may have a good point, and can each learn something from the other point of view. It's great when that happens.

    1. Re:Echo chambers are bad, m'kay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Facebook cannot magically convert idiots into reasonable and rational people. Facebook isn't responsible for this particular problem it is the users causing the problems. But since society no longer holds the individual responsible for their actions the only target left is Facebook. The only way to make sure that nothing controversial or upsetting disturbs the tender sensibilities of today's brain dead society is to implement an all encompassing censorship regime.

      "What's the best way to annoy a Liberal? Work hard and enjoy your life."

    2. Re:Echo chambers are bad, m'kay by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I suspect what's actually happening is that the real causative factor is that people in towns with high immigrant populations are getting fed up with the local immigrants and are taking to Facebook to complain about it while, simultaneously, the more violent/criminal among them are also engaging in more violence against immigrants. The chatter on Facebook isn't CAUSING the violence. Both the chatter and the violence are just by-products of the real cause (that people are getting sick of dealing with immigrants in their town).

      Now, whether people are *justified* in getting fed-up is debatable, but that's likely what's really happening here.

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  8. EVIDENCE IS PILING UP, oh, and witnesses too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump's lawyer just implicated him in felony campaign finance fraud among other crimes for which evidence already exists in Mueller's hand. Checkmate. Rudy Giuliani should be remembered as the world's dumbest attorney.

  9. Re: Isn't this stating the obvious? by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That comparison is way off the mark. Guns don't do anything on their own. Facebook does a fuck of a lot on it's own. It's designed to feed you whatever propaganda you're most predisposed to believing.

    Facebook is pretty much the best brainwashing machine ever built, so yeah, it shares a large chunk of the blame. Obviously the people who engage in violence aren't innocent cherubs, but their individual actions are a much smaller problem.

  10. Shooting the Messenger? by DatbeDank · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe people need to look at what's being conveyed on these messenger (social media) services instead of of trying to block it?

    You know, if migrants really are stealing and committing sex crimes at a statistically higher rate above the norm then it should be reported.
    Same goes for politicians who commit crimes.

    If anything, it sounds like certain people don't like it when social media serves up a dish of politically inconvenient news and the plebs rightly get angry. Maybe if journalists were doing their job there would be a more balanced way of reporting such news so that it doesn't inflame the public's violence.

    Nah that would all make sense now wouldn't it?

    1. Re:Shooting the Messenger? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes the truth, presented selectively, can be deceptive. I was reading an article on a right-leaning news site just this morning about a recent murder committed by an illegal immigrant in the US. If the murderer had been a citizen, I really doubt the site would have seen it as newsworthy. By just reporting every crime committed by an illegal they can create the impression that all illegal immigrants are murderous, rapist, thieving scum - regardless of how true that may or may not be, and without ever having to tell a single lie.

    2. Re:Shooting the Messenger? by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the murderer had been a citizen, I really doubt the site would have seen it as newsworthy.

      I'm blowing mod points to reply to your post, but it's important to point out that in this case you are flat out wrong. This story has been in the national news for a month since she went missing. It has been in the national news all along. When her body was found yesterday that was in the national news. Today it was revealed someone was charged with her murder, and it was an illegal immigrant.

      This was a month ago (People magazine): https://people.com/crime/unive...
      Three weeks ago (Fox News): http://www.foxnews.com/transcr...
      Three weeks ago (CNN): https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26...
      This was two weeks ago (USA Today): https://www.usatoday.com/story...

      You get the idea. Google shows 2.7 million hits from news sources for her name. Just pointing out you have made a massive assumption ("By just reporting every crime committed by an illegal they can create the impression that all illegal immigrants are murderous") based on totally incorrect information ("If the murderer had been a citizen, I really doubt the site would have seen it as newsworthy.")

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  11. Re:Obvious by Jzanu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. Your way of thinking is a cancer that humanity needs to remove. You make endless claims without actual knowledge of the situations, and without any peer-reviewed evidence where you imply "scientific" support. Social Darwinism and right-wing identity politics are exactly what fed the second world war. Every country involved had eugenics programs, etc. but it was only Germany with a rabid doctrine developed by disgruntled illiterate veterans with untreated psychological disorders. That doctrine is what you are preaching now, whether you realize it or not. This is not the material to "troll" with, and if you believe it then you need genuine mental health evaluation and treatment so you can live a productive life in our society.

  12. Re: No shit, they can influence an election by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no such thing as 'Fake News'.

    Yes there is, it's lies masquerading as news stories. So it looks like news but isn't really news. I.e. its fake news.

    Words mean things you know. And it's almost like you can deduce the meaning of collections of words by analysing their combination.

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  13. Well... not really. But it does something else. by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook, like every social media platform, has one crucial function: It can connect like minded people. Actually, that's its primary function. Now, while this seems quite positive on the surface, it can be quite detrimental to us as a society too. Because it also allows very unsavory and outright crazy people to connect. Which you might notice in the more recent skyrocketing number of conspiracy theories being peddled loudly.

    What does this have to do with each other?

    Let's say you have an uncommon, unpopular or outright illegal position or opinion. In a "normal" society, you'd feel quite alone with your opinion because nobody shares it. This changes when you're able to connect with like minded individuals who share your twisted world view. Suddenly you're no longer alone, moreover, you feel that your position is verified as true and right, you feel vindicated. And of course you start living in this echo chamber of like minded people who keep telling you that you're right and that your "crazy" opinion is not crazy at all but that everyone else is crazy.

    This works for every kind of fringe ideology. It has worked for religion for centuries without the internet, but the internet gives other insane ideas the same level of self perpetuating reinforcement. From religion to third wave feminism, from white supremacy to black lives matters. And yes, from contrails to flat earth.

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  14. Shared responsibility by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook cannot magically convert idiots into reasonable and rational people. Facebook isn't responsible for this particular problem it is the users causing the problems.

    Facebook has its share of responsibilities. Its AI algorithm is optimized to autonomously search for what will keep the users on the site the longest (so that the company has more eyeball time to sell to advertisers / more behaviour data to sell, and thus the company gets richer).

    Old studies done since TV is "a thing" have already shown that the human mind will pay more attention to emotion-generating content, even more if these emotions are negative. Eventually, human mind tends to pay most attention to violence and extremes.
    (Probably an evolutionary advantage in the distant past, as paying attention to which member of the ape-pack got mauled by a tiger is more likely to provide you useful information to save your ass, than paying attention to how the flowers are beautiful).

    Thus, by trying to give to viewer whatever is the most likely to keep their attention focused, the algorithms used by Facebook will independently rediscover the above, and will spontaneously (machine-) learn to provide even more extreme content, until each "echo chamber" one lock oneself in slowly devolves into a giant mess of extremism, violence and crazy conspiracy theories.
    All this without the AI even having a clear idea of *what* the content is, only have the statistical notion that it tend to retain attention.

    Facebook devs where the one writing these algorithm without taking into account where it can lead, they do share a part of responsibilities.

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