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Chinese President Xi Jinping Says Internet Must Be 'Clean and Righteous' (reuters.com)

The internet must be "clean and righteous" and vulgar content must be resisted in the field of culture, Chinese President Xi Jinping told a meeting of senior propaganda officials, state media said on Wednesday. From a report: The government has been tightening controls over internet content as part of what it says are efforts to maintain social stability, taking on "vulgar" and pornographic content as well as the unauthorised dissemination of news. The moves come amid a broader clamp-down targeting online content from livestreams and blogs to mobile gaming, as the country's leaders look to tighten their grip over a huge and diverse cultural scene online popular with China's youth. Speaking at a two-day meeting, attended by officials from major state media outlets and the internet regulator, Xi said propaganda efforts needed to be put front and centre, the official Xinhua news agency said. "Uphold a clean and righteous internet space," the report cited Xi as saying. China shut as many as 128,000 websites that contained obscene and other "harmful" information in 2017, Xinhua reported in January, citing government data.

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  1. Clean and righteous, right on! by llamalad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now, what's his email address?

    And does anyone know a good goatse mirror?

    1. Re:Clean and righteous, right on! by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Funny

      While you're at it, tell him that the communist party needs a rebranding. Lemon Party sounds catchy.

      And if there's anything that will help clean thoughts of Tank Man from the minds of people, it's definitely tub girl.

    2. Re:Clean and righteous, right on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone getting all high and mighty about the Chinese government censoring the internet. I live in the UK... we do exactly the same - and are planning to do more.

      We're barely any different.

  2. And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come to think about it, most Europeans and most Americans do wish for that.

    1. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So do bible-thumpers. There's no meaningful difference between left-nazis and right-nazis here.

      In the US, far left is currently mainstream while far right is not (Unite the Right 2018 had ~20 participants, most of the hype came from Russian trolls), while eg. in Poland the left is nearly non-existent while far right is everywhere, but that's just a matter of different colors of the same. Just note the name: national socialism.

      Their policies are very alike. This includes censorship.

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    2. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference between all of those groups and Xi is that he actually has the power to censor the Internet.

      You mean, deplatforming isn't a thing?

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    3. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      Second, Bible-thumpers may be obnoxious in their misguided attempts to save your soul, but they won't beat up a progressive

      Hmm, I think I can recall quite a few people burned at stake for saying things that were disliked by official teaching of Christianity (often things that were obviously factually true, or explicitly mentioned in the Bible). And even in modern times, censorship by Christians goes strong.

      And that's still nothing compared to censorship in Saudi Arabia or the likes.

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    4. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by lgw · · Score: 2

      Just because it's open to the public most private places and events have some sort of rules. Heck, they'll kick you out of the public library if you can't behave not even their tolerance is infinite.

      When a private site becomes the de-facto public forum, free speech laws may apply. There's precedent for this in meatspeace, though it's not 100% clear. It's also not so clear that social media has reached that level of importance.

      It's a lot more clear that you're either a carrier, and carry everything legal without liability for content, or you're a publisher with full editorial discretion and liability for what you publish. I think it's time that principle applies to social media sites.

      I assume it's an implied reference to Alex Jones and yeah it almost looked like a coordinated effort

      "Almost looked like"? He was deplatformed from every social media site (except Twitter) in a 24-hour period - they even closed his Linkedin page. Do you need a press release?

      it probably comes from him being way across the line on almost service he's on,

      Across what line? He's a nutbag, and is routinely sued for slander, but he's within the policies of these sites. They simply don't like his politics, and figured no one would defend him since he's crazy. But he's obviously the canary, and they'll be coming for more mainstream people next.

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    5. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by citylivin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "In the US, far left is currently mainstream"

      bwahaha...

      Left:
      - universal healthcare
      - environmental protections
      - marijuana legal
      - hate speech outlawed
      - no coal plants

      FAR left, is above plus
      - universal income
      - 50%-90% corporate tax rate
      - all drugs legal
      - proportional representation
      - nationalized critical industries (energy, water, internet) and some too big to fail businesses or businesses in the national interest
      - no more nukes, nuke plants or any polluting power plant. renewables only.
      - cap higher end wages

      So I very much doubt that the "mainstream" in the USA is "far left". I think you guys can barely get to the centrist position.

      I know its said time and time again, but the USA version of "left" is considered center or center right by other 1st world democracies.

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    6. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by gweihir · · Score: 2

      The US only has right and far-right.

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    7. Re:And so do feminists, socialists, anti-fa by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah, so the structures that successfully kept societies together for 2000 years "can safely be regarded as a fundamental failure"? How convenient. All religions over history combined have killed fewer people than communism, of course.

      Any set of laws, without a sense of morality to guide their interpretation and enforcement, can be turned to evil. Does that make the concept of "laws" bad? Of "morality"? Or does it simply mean that humans are fallible?

      There was this guy once who said that scripture is complicated, and it's easy to read it wrong, so if you think it's telling you to hurt someone, that's how you know you're reading it wrong. He got pretty famous for saying things like that, though it didn't end well for him. However, he got the last laugh, as it turns out, since you've probably heard of him.

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  3. Unauthorised dissemination of news by olsmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Scary phrase, there. I knew there was a Trump liked this guy Xi.

    1. Re:Unauthorised dissemination of news by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you a word.

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  4. Interesting. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who knew that Winnie the Pooh was so dirty and unrighteous.

    Fuck Xi Jinping, fuck him up his stupid cartoon bear ass. (we both know the internet has images of that)

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    1. Re:Interesting. by lgw · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you think walking into the woods pantless with a baby pig and a jar of honey is OK?

      That pig is a liar!

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  5. Says who? by StandardCell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This from a guy whose party has sanitized the killing of tens of millions of its own people, is now ruler for life, has a social credit score to force people to behave according to the CCP's wishes, could care less about the 300 million people in abject poverty without regular access to clean water, and won't acknowledge the Tiananmen Square massacre to the point of banning the term "63+1", or 6/4.

    Yeah, you can go fuck yourself Xi Jinping. We'll keep trying to show your people how the rest of the world works and hopefully they'll finish what was started in 1989.

    1. Re:Says who? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Xi is a proud Communist whereas the Globalists are Communists (whom see themselves as the Elite group of authoritatives to run the show), but too cowardly to admit it.

      The Communists are really of (ironies) feudal group. They create a caste based society. The first tier are the party members and those that serve them. And then, there's the serfs that suck air and are best to be out of their way.

      The Serfs are the ones that get fucked the hardest. If you're not contributing to the rightous cause of "Communism", YOU WILL BE PURGED! And 100 MILLION purged there was under Communism. At worst, you could be a nice person, and will be purged because of some malthusian reason that robots and AI to better to serve the elite...and you have no reason to exist but to get in the way.

      Mark my words. If Communism takes hold - and I believe it will - the human population will be engineered in such as way as to reduce the count to 500 million on Earth or less. That's the future of humanity. Managed oppression for the elite, and China is leading the way with the globalist sure to follow in the shadows.

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  6. communism by davek · · Score: 2

    It's about time communism got with the program.

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    1. Re:communism by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      'Communism getting with the program' == 'Democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression'.

  7. Xi Jinping also says... by gtall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that Tibet belongs to the Tibetans and that the Chinese project of replacing the Tibetans with Han Chinese will be reversed. And, Taiwan can now be considered an independent country of 23 million Chinese and can determine their own future with full recognition from Beijing.

    Hope springs eternal...and in Xi's China, goes there to die.

    1. Re:Xi Jinping also says... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I heard he was going to announce he was relinquishing claims on the South China Sea, after looking at a map and deciding that China was clearly wrong.

  8. Remember the Puritans! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Know what this fuckwad communist dictator sounds like? The Puritans. Remember them? They were at least as corrupted as anyone else, all the while pretending to pure and 'righteous'. Of course in this case it's an order of magnitude worse: this jackass includes things like 'freedom of speech', 'freedom of expression', 'criticizing the communist party', 'criticizing the government', and of course 'criticizing him' among the things he considers 'vulgar' and 'pornographic' content.

    As an aside to all this: know what I think is really ironically funny about this? For a country that has recorded history going back, what, 3000 years at least? They still fail to learn from their own history. This guy has set himself up as Emperor of China for all intents and purposes. How's that worked out for you in the past, China? Do you even remember? Or has the Communist party removed your access to (or worse, rewritten) your own history, too? Sad, sad, sad. I actually feel bad for the average Chinese citizen.

    1. Re:Remember the Puritans! by magarity · · Score: 2

      They still fail to learn from their own history. This guy has set himself up as Emperor of China for all intents and purposes. How's that worked out for you in the past, China? Do you even remember?

      Yes, he certainly does know and remember. For the vast majority of Chinese emperors, being emperor totally kicked ass.

    2. Re:Remember the Puritans! by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny
      I've read a lot of accounts of WWII and have never come across that version; sounds pretty cool, though.

      Is it French??

  9. Yugoslavia in the 80s by pacija · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was born in "communist" Yugoslavia, and lived there through my early childhood in the 80s. There was no Internet, but the only three national TV programs were what you could call "Clean and Righteous". Lots of educational stuff through the morning, classic Disney or Fleischer cartoons before bedtime, movie classics, both domestic and foreign in the evening.

    Yugoslavia was torn down in early 90s by "western democracies", split to smaller, weaker countries, and one of them - Serbia, where I live now - was finally bombed in late 90s and early Y2K with depleted uranium by NATO member states. We finally got rid of the "dictators" and got "democracy".

    A few weeks ago my 7 year old son asked me and my wife if he could watch football world cup semifinals on TV because our neighbor Croatia played, although it was past his bedtime (9PM). We allowed, but at the half-time we were genuinely afraid to start to switch through channels because we knew there will be stuff we don't want him to see. And don't get the wrong impression, as I completed Medal of Honor with him when he was 5, and at the same time he saw Lord of the Rings - he ain't a snowflake.

    Freedom and democracy and free speech my ass. If you don't take western corporations' shit and also pay for it you get depleted uranium. Maybe not if you are as powerful as China.

    1. Re:Yugoslavia in the 80s by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 2

      You don't get to blame western democracies when Serbs and Kosavars start slaughtering each other because they can't get over ethnic conflicts from almost 900 years ago.

      And if your argument is that it was all worth it so your son maybe doesn't see boobs or unfiltered news coverage on the TV, then I would suggest immigrating to North Korea where they still practice the clean righteousness you miss.

  10. Wow by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    I bet he has no idea how much he has in common with Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

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  11. And anyway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sex is righteous. Sex is how our species survives. It is the reason everyone of us exists. And so on.

    Sex is not dirty. It is perfectly natural and clean. Sexual desire is not dirty. It is an instinct that our species relies on for continuance.

    Pornography is not dirty. It is the most automatic expression of our sexual instincts, given the tech available. It plays its part in assisting the entire enterprise of keeping our species alive.

    People who want to block pornography usually have an ulterior motive. Either they actually want to block a whole bunch of other things and are just using a widespread cultural discomfort with our own survival instincts to get the necessary approval, or they are threatened by the fact that standards of beauty actually exist and aren't always trivially easy to achieve. Or they are just under-developed and hence erroneously believe their own sexual instincts are dirty. In any case, they insist that pornography is dirty, when it is not.

    1. Re:And anyway... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pornography is not dirty.

      Dude, you need to find better porn.

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    2. Re:And anyway... by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 2

      Sex is righteous. Sex is how our species survives. It is the reason everyone of us exists. And so on.

      Sex is not dirty. It is perfectly natural and clean. Sexual desire is not dirty. It is an instinct that our species relies on for continuance.

      Pornography is not dirty. It is the most automatic expression of our sexual instincts, given the tech available. It plays its part in assisting the entire enterprise of keeping our species alive.

      People who want to block pornography usually have an ulterior motive. Either they actually want to block a whole bunch of other things and are just using a widespread cultural discomfort with our own survival instincts to get the necessary approval, or they are threatened by the fact that standards of beauty actually exist and aren't always trivially easy to achieve. Or they are just under-developed and hence erroneously believe their own sexual instincts are dirty. In any case, they insist that pornography is dirty, when it is not.

      "Do you think sex is dirty?"

      "It is if you're doing it right!"

      ~ Some Woody Allen movie.

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    3. Re:And anyway... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I've tried to see what science has to say. But once you discount all organisations that are misrepresenting scientific studies to push a political agenda, all the personal anecdotes, and all the sensationalist reports just trying to get some views, science doesn't actually have much to say. There are studies that give contradictory results, but it's not an easy area to study. For one, good luck getting ethical approval for a controlled study.

      Fight the New Drug looks superficially respectable. They don't have an obvious religious or political bias, and they do use a lot of citations. Promising. But the closer you look, the more suspicious they appear - a lot of the citations are either other anti-porn groups, dubious correlative studies, or selectively chosen experts. They make a lot of use of personal stories in their videos (not so much their writing though), and have close ties to a very shady 'rehab' program. If you dig around enough, you discover that the shady rehab program came first, and they share a founder (Clay Olsen).

      You can also check out their team listing page. It uses a few humorous comments about each member, but you might notice that not a single one of them has any scientific background. At all. Nothing. Strangely, though, for a non-religiously-affiliated program... some people have done a little digging, and apparently (though this might be dated) it's almost entirely run by Mormons.

      The problem isn't that they outright lie, it's that they present a very one-sided view. The old trick of selective citations. If you have one study saying A and ten saying B, it's easy to claim "Science says A, and here's a study to prove it."

      It's a better attempt than most, but you can find plenty of expert columns that will savage their one-sided presentation.

  12. Re:Same problem in Nazi Germany by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    So pretty much how Facebook/Twitter/Google are policing undesirable thoughts off the internet? Only Xi is using the same methods but has different outcomes in mind (e.g. continuous communist party control, forever).

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  13. Re:Same problem in Nazi Germany by hey! · · Score: 2

    Trying to make sense out of Nazi actions and ideology is a fool's errand, but it's quite a stretch to imply that sanitizing the media of sex was a "primary" goal. The media was used to serve the regime in any way it could, on an opportunistic basis.

    While pornography was officially frowned on, it was really pornography produced by people who weren't in the party. The Schutzstaffel "Hygeine Institute" actually produced pornographic films for use by party members, and titillating images of naked "Aryan" women were common. For the vulgar masses, material that was pornographic by the standards of the day was printed in Der Sturmer -- if often depicted the violation of young Aryan women by Jews, skillfully blending sexual arousal and hate.

    It wasn't porn they objected to, it was porn that didn't serve their political ends.

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  14. Re:This is why by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

    As long as the economy kept cranking along, no problems. I'm worried where they'll go once they realize you can't grow forever. People put up with dictators as long as their situation is improving enormously. when that stops...

  15. He can go fuck himself by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    but America won't be taking away their most favorite nation status anytime soon. Meanwhile our close allies the Saudis are seeking the death penalty for a peaceful protestor who demanded women's rights. Last I checked we're still selling them bombs and they're still dropping them on school buses in Yemen.

    It's all well and good to say "Fuck so and so" but until you vote people into office who will actually get tough on human rights abuses it's pissing in the wind.

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  16. Re:This is why by larryjoe · · Score: 2

    As long as the economy kept cranking along, no problems. I'm worried where they'll go once they realize you can't grow forever. People put up with dictators as long as their situation is improving enormously. when that stops...

    See 1984. Control thought, language, and news. Then create alternate enemies for would-be disgruntled people. Punish the disobedient as enemies of the people. Economic turmoil is only a challenge for governments who care about human rights. In fact, the Chinese government is concerned about the possibility of the challenge to their tight-fisted control that economic turmoil might present. Therefore, it believes it needs to double down on the Orwellian strategies.

  17. Re:SICK, SAD WORLD. by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

    Here's a good example of someone being 'held accountable' for daring to display a symbol of the fascist alt-right neo nazis, and being 'censored' as your ilk would have it.

    No thanks. Religious fanatics have no business deciding what is or isn't 'harmful' or 'hateful' for the rest of us. Only a fool would submit to this kind of tyranny.