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'Gold Standard' State Net Neutrality Bill Approved By California Assembly (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: California's state Assembly yesterday approved a strict net neutrality bill despite opposition from the telecom industry. California's Senate already approved an earlier version of the bill in May. But some minor changes were made in the Assembly, so the Senate must vote on the bill again today before going into recess. If the Senate approves, California Governor Jerry Brown would have until September 30 to sign the bill into law. The bill would prohibit Internet service providers from blocking or throttling lawful traffic, and from requiring fees from websites or online services to deliver or prioritize their traffic to consumers. The bill also imposes limits on data cap exemptions (so-called "zero-rating") and says that ISPs may not attempt to evade net neutrality protections by slowing down traffic at network interconnection points. Yesterday's Assembly vote was 61-18. All 55 Democratic members of the Assembly and six Republicans voted for the bill. All 18 votes against it came from Republicans. "ISPs have tried hard to gut and kill this bill, pouring money and robocalls into California," Electronic Frontier Foundation Policy Analyst Katharine Trendacosta said. "California could pass a gold standard net neutrality bill, providing a template for states going forward. California can prove that ISP money can't defeat real people's voices."

UPDATE: The state Senate approved the bill 23-11. It's now headed to California Gov. Jerry Brown's desk, where he's expected to sign the legislation since it has garnered the support of top state Democrats, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Kamala Harris.

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  1. in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ISPs plan to raise prices across the board to pay for neutrality...

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    1. Re:in other news... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean out of pure spite. I notice prices didn't fall even an iota when the FCC killed it.

    2. Re: in other news... by Tanman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A non-neutral internet is just like a curved-screen television: it's an invention whose only purpose is to generate money for the creator without providing any actual service or improvement, while providing noticeable cases where it detracts from the original experience.

    3. Re:in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      prices always go up regardless...unless you also buy tv...in which case prices go up even more...

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    4. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      both are just cost shifting...prices always go up...you either pay directly or indirectly to netfix verizon comcast etc...

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    5. Re:in other news... by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Informative

      My ATT and DirecTV bills both actually went up that very billing cycle. They didn't even wait a whole billing cycle to prove that the hypothetical savings was a big dirty lie.

    6. Re:in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      it's a perverse form of changing the light levels in the time and motion studies - prices go up no matter what...

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    7. Re: in other news... by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's absolutely untrue, and in any case is simply acceding all power to some faceless corporation. You are basically saying service providers experience no market forces and can set their prices arbitrarily high. As counterexample, let me introduce you to the Internet in the rest of the developed world. Plenty of countries (but not all) have lower prices and faster speeds than we do here in America. We just let our ISPs directly dictate policy to our government, and engage in other non market based shenanigans.

      ISPs can accept lower profits if they want to stay in the game. We have the power to force them to do that.

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    8. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      let me know how that works out...

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    9. Re:in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, you may have missed it, but your bill hikes are likely due to the big fucking mergers and acquisitions over the last few years that ATT performed. I've got Dish and my bill went up primarily because all those content providers like Disney are doing the same thing as ATT. They're spending billions of dollars buying everything. Where do you suppose they get the money to pull off multi-billion dollar deals? Loose change? No, they stick it to their long-time customers.

    10. Re: in other news... by spun · · Score: 1

      Just looking at countries that already have net neutrality laws and cheaper, faster Internet service, we can already tell it works fantastically well. Why would it be any different here?

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    11. Re:in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because the delayed Obama order WAS NEVER IN EFFECT.

    12. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      they are not cheaper and faster because of net neutrality...that's a fantasy

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    13. Re: in other news... by sjames · · Score: 1

      But they are cheaper, faster, and net neutral. So it must be possible.

    14. Re: in other news... by jd · · Score: 1

      Actually, they are. Network neutrality, aka telecoms is telecoms whether data or voice, allows engineers to focus on service rather than politics.

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    15. Re:in other news... by spongman · · Score: 1

      Let them. Maybe that will encourage people to seek out ISPs that don't treat their customers like dirt.

    16. Re:in other news... by Teun · · Score: 1

      As if you Americans have so much choice...
      Remember it's only a few days ago news came the regulator already sees competition when the next connection is half a mile away.

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    17. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      cheaper and faster is possible, it's just not due to neutrality...

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    18. Re:in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      why does 10mb cost $80 in Alaska - but $80 a month buys 150 in Virginia on FIOS?

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    19. Re:in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other way around. Neutrality matches how ISPs have been behaving for most of time, since they lacked the technical ability to be non-neutral until recently. Lack of neutrality would have permitted them to raise prices, for instance by selling "packages" for access to websites, similar to cable television. "Want espn.com and other sports websites? That'll be another $10/month." Another approach would be to charge those websites under threat of cutting off access "Facebook, that'll be $100k/month or no Comcast customers can get facebook."

      Unless you mean the ISPs will lie and use net neutrality legislation as an excuse to raise prices which of course they will.

    20. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      and their service is...revenue optimization...aka price rises

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    21. Re:in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      regardless - prices go up!

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    22. Re: in other news... by spun · · Score: 1

      But it is possible to have cheaper, faster Internet with net neutrality. So how does it happen? You say it can't happen, but it has happened, multiple times, in multiple countries.

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    23. Re: in other news... by spun · · Score: 1

      But it hasn't. You just keep making counter factual assertions. The rest of the developed world has cheaper, faster Internet, with net neutrality. Your pro-free market, anti-regulation theory says that is not possible. So something in your theory must be wrong, because you keep making incorrect conclusions.

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    24. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      i'm not saying that at all - the reason they have cheaper internet has to do with infrastructure and other issues, not neutrality...

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    25. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      i never said you can't - it's just not due to neutrality

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    26. Re: in other news... by spun · · Score: 1

      Look, there are two possibilities. One, we can have cheap Internet with net neutrality jut like the rest of the developed world, or two: we are failures who can't do what other countries can do.But honestly, it sounds like your issue is not with the expense, but with net neutrality regulations themselves. You don't want them, the expense was just the excuse,

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    27. Re: in other news... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      more or less - net neutrality by itself does not reduce cost. idiots who pay the inflated costs have more to do with the prices we pay. there's some sunk infrastructure costs, and there's meddling of the local public utility commission, and local government exclusive contracts are also involved. who you vote for locally makes a big difference.

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  2. This sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The regulations, as cited in the summary, sure sound sensible.

    I wonder if the bill has some weird riders or anything else in it, that are insidious and evil in some way.

    1. Re:This sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look. Looks good until you get to the part where it says asymmetric connections are still A-OK and towards the bottom where they leave in a giant "addresses copyright infringement" loophole.

    2. Re:This sounds good. by Teun · · Score: 1

      A-symmetric is due to available technology.
      Please explain what it is with that loophole you mention?

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  3. This is what you get by PPH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... when you have your lap-dog Pai overturn federal net neutrality rules. 50 different rules. And California taking the lead in writing them.

    Happy now, idiots?

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    1. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... when you have your lap-dog Pai overturn federal net neutrality rules. 50 different rules. And California taking the lead in writing them.

      Happy now, idiots?

      ..Electronic Frontier Foundation Policy Analyst Katharine Trendacosta said. "California could pass a gold standard net neutrality bill, providing a template for states going forward. California can prove that ISP money can't defeat real people's voices."

      This sound good to me. What's the downside? Why do I care how bumfuck states regulate their ISP's, just so long as my state is golden. Yea, state rights! I think Pai has inadvertently done the states a favor.

    2. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am happy watching you waste your time over regulating. I expect Cali to continue its slide into irrelevance. Works for us.

    3. Re:This is what you get by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Well that's the thing. On this issue, philosophy switches sides. Suddenly Republicans find great value in the feds enforcing uniformity, and the Democrats are woke to the joys of states experimenting.

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    4. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree. It's not so much Republicans don't see the need to have national policies covering communications infrastructure administered by a federal government agency, but they much prefer that agency to only have minimal regulatory oversight.

      Democrats, OTOH, prefer more centralized government regulatory oversight because they're dirty fucking communists who want to destroy America for the globalists.

    5. Re:This is what you get by AlanBDee · · Score: 1

      That is what most Republicans would prefer. The thinking is that each individual state can better identify what's best for them instead of having the Federal Government decide for them. Not all states will adapt net neutrality policies but those that do will give us a variety of different policies with varying amounts of effectiveness. The good news is that all this makes it more difficult for ISP's to capitalize on internet traffic.

    6. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when it comes to credit cards and banking, where Delaware's laws get to run the nation because Corporations get to exist in the state most advantageous to them. We know full and well you're going to try the same shit with Net Neutrality-State's rights, but only if you're the state the blows the corps hard enough.

    7. Re:This is what you get by mentil · · Score: 1

      That explains why California's Republicans voted for the bill. Oh, wait...

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    8. Re: This is what you get by jd · · Score: 1

      Except that ISPs get to decide routing. Nothing stops them routing traffic through a State that allows metered data delivery. You don't get a say in the rules the ISP play by.

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    9. Re: This is what you get by jd · · Score: 1

      It makes it easier. Nothing stops ISPs deciding what rules they like and making sure to lower the weights for connections through suitable States.

      Someone allows metered connections? Great! Divert traffic through there.

      Someone allows redirection and Microsoft want to pay extra? Bounce through there, change Google endpoint to Bing.

      All perfectly legal, as the laws don't involve router tables and the changes are made where it's ok to make them.

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    10. Re: This is what you get by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      The bill would prohibit Internet service providers from blocking or throttling lawful traffic, and from requiring fees from websites or online services to deliver or prioritize their traffic to consumers. The bill also imposes limits on data cap exemptions (so-called "zero-rating") and says that ISPs may not attempt to evade net neutrality protections by slowing down traffic at network interconnection points.

      Other than zero-rating some video (which arguably just benefits their customers), are there any ISPs in CA currently actually doing anything this bill prohibits? If not, then who are they targeting? This seems to essentially be the "limit zero-rating" bill, which just screws over some consumers.

      I guess it's another bill in a long tradition of useless legislation which gets passed so some politicians can congratulate themselves on "doing something" about a non-problem, ignoring any costs to society as a result of one more layer of laws and regulations for people to pay lawyers to ensure they're complying with.

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    11. Re: This is what you get by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Other than zero-rating some video (which arguably just benefits their customers)

      An by customers, you mean the zero-rated content providers.

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    12. Re:This is what you get by fafalone · · Score: 1

      So then why did Pai's NN repeal contain the part banning states from enacting their own rules? And I sure didn't hear any opposition to that provision from the right. Then there's Blackburn introducing her fake NN bill to set a rule for the whole country, which is actually the solution I keep hearing from the right -- that it should be a Congressional action instead of a regulatory action (but only becuase they're in power and expect to be able to pass, if anything does get passed, a bill containing so many loopholes it's useless, like Blackburns).

      Republicans have no consistent position on states' rights. They're for them when it's expedient, and against them when expedient. Same as the left.

    13. Re: This is what you get by fafalone · · Score: 1

      This 'well the internet was fine before' argument is so ridiculous. First, there's the Netflix problem, years before that Comcast blocking Bittorrent, and many more.

      Second, think about what ISPs have been doing. They've spent a fortune lobbying Congress and state legislators. Another fortune spent on appealing to the consumers to vote against NN and/or tell their representatives to. Are you really suggesting these greedy companies are expending massive amounts of manpower and cash just on principle, even though they weren't planning on violating them? Come on man, that doesn't even pass the laugh test, and seeing a massive abuse coming and enacting legislation to prevent it is absolutely legitimate, particularly when the writing was so clearly on the wall (not to mention, in Portugal an ISP has gone ahead and started bundled internet with only some sites).

    14. Re: This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That won't happen. It doesn't happen now and there's no NN.

    15. Re: This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All perfectly legal (dubious, but whatev), yet it isn't happening now. And it didn't happen all the many years prior to 2015. So why would your silly scenario be any more likely to happen in the future?

    16. Re: This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a globalist and I want to regulate your internet and stand between you and your doctor. Also, serve me a gay cake, in a pizzagate restaurant.
      I'm also half lizard, half flat Earth.

    17. Re: This is what you get by spongman · · Score: 1

      Huh? This is about the last mile, in California.who cares about the routing. If you're delivering bits to my address, you don't get to throttle. Don't like it? GTFO.

    18. Re: This is what you get by Teun · · Score: 1

      Zero-rating select services only benefits the select customers using the service at the expense of others.

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    19. Re: This is what you get by jd · · Score: 1

      Prior to Busy declaring data carriers weren't telecos, by exec order, the Internet was protected against such malign behaviour. After Obama reinstated the above, the Internet was protected.

      In the few years between? There were problems. That's just historical fact.

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    20. Re: This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you're honest about it.

    21. Re: This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, when it's something they hate, it's states rights, when it's abusive stuff they want to do, they're perfectly happy to impose it at the federal level.

      The GOP has no morality, it's all about what the donors want, they don't even bother with pretense any more.

    22. Re: This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was never restored and why didn't Obama administration wait until the FTC's appeal made its to the Supreme Court? Nevertheless, your scenario hasn't played out and there's no indication it's going to.

    23. Re:This is what you get by dhawton · · Score: 1

      Except, the Constitution doesn't permit the federal government making the rules to begin with, let alone the executive branch making what is effectively unilateral legislation. So, yes. Someone in the federal government followed the rules for the first time in decades.

    24. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is interstate commerce, which Congress is empowered to regulate by the constitution.
      Congress decided to delegate the administration and regulation of telecommunications to an agency. This is allowed by the constitution.
      The duty of executing laws passed by Congress falls on the Executive branch. That is why it is called the executive branch in the first place.

      At any point Congress can pass a law to override the decisions made by the agency to which they delegated this task.

      Your understanding of the constitution appears to be one of somebody who has never read it.

    25. Re: This is what you get by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      It'll be interesting to watch a national wireless company offer two versions of their plans, the "normal" plan, and then the "California" plan, which would be the normal plan with the same cost and bandwidth usage, but without any zero rating for video.

      I suspect some California customers would complain about that.

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    26. Re: This is what you get by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      No, the people who pay for 2 GB of wireless data, then don't have to count most of their video streaming against that cap.

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    27. Re: This is what you get by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      None of those issues were "solved" by NN.

      Regulatory compliance comes at a cost. Whether or not you're going to do anything which would be bad for your customers (who are the people you're having to convince to pay you for your services), you're still required to do all the paperwork and comply with all the whims of the regulators.

      Also, if you're pointing at Portugal, that just shows you're getting your news from somewhere you should start ignoring.

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    28. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See Wickard v. Filburn.

      This is one of the nastiest and most insidious court decisions in the history of the United States and the underlying logic to the case shows why the Interstate Commerce clause cannot be considered a grant of power. This case is frequently cited in courts in order to support regulating and activity. It was found in this case that an individual growing produce on his own land for consumption by himself or his property (farm animals) constitutes commercial activity which influences interstate commerce and therefore is subject to Federal regulations. As long as the economic activity in question has an interstate market then there cannot exist an intrastate market for the activity and the states should be denied any power to regulate the activity.

  4. Won't this just get overridden by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    at the Federal Level? The Republican party has signaled they view Net Neutrality as an unnecessary and at times dangerous regulation. We can debate whether they're right or not, but their stance cannot be denied. And they're currently in charge of all three branches of Government. There's already been some bills proposed that would preempt the California one with weaker and largely meaningless controls. Baring a change during the Mid Terms those will pass.

    I don't mind seeing CA doing this, I just don't think it will matter. Not unless there's a big change in our country's politics...

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    1. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      It'll be interesting to see how they react if a lot of states other than California actually pick this up. Before now, their entire argument has hinged on placating naysayers by claiming that they would indeed leave it up to States' rights.

    2. Re:Won't this just get overridden by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I don't mind seeing CA doing this, I just don't think it will matter. Not unless there's a big change in our country's politics...

      Stay tuned. There's a big change coming.

      California represents 1/8th of the US population and the biggest economy in the country. Our laws are more likely to become your laws than the other way around. Let the feds do what they want, we'll still go our own way.

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    3. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Ah the party of states rights leans the opposite way when they're in charge at the federal level, who could have guessed!

    4. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please secede.

    5. Re:Won't this just get overridden by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      California represents 1/8th of the US population and the biggest economy in the country. Our laws are more likely to become your laws than the other way around. Let the feds do what they want, we'll still go our own way.

      Nope.

      The Federal Supremacy Clause.

      The modern (since Wickard vs Filburn) interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

      Not going to happen unless you can convince the Feds led by Trump and the courts which are seeing more (R)-nominated Federal Judges seated almost every week. Good luck with that one.

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    6. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >implying the interwebs exist only in Commiefornia

    7. Re:Won't this just get overridden by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      at the Federal Level?

      Unlikely. The FCC overturned NN at the federal level, but the FCC can't override state law without a legal mandate. That would require Congress to pass legislation, which would need 60 votes in the Senate to override a certain filibuster.

      There are currently 51 Republicans in the Senate, and some of them may vote against any federal override, either because they support NN, or on the principle of states-rights.

    8. Re:Won't this just get overridden by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Federal Supremacy Clause.

      Good luck with that. It hasn't worked so far. Don't like our legal weed? Too bad. Don't like our sanctuary cities? Suck it, you mumbling little elf. Misspelled tweets don't have the force of law here in California. And, we have that little thing called the 10th Amendment on our side. It's funny how right-wing jackoffs are all about states' rights until a state does something that goes against their god-emperor Trump.

      Not going to happen unless you can convince the Feds led by Trump

      Trump is closer to the end of his presidency than he is to the beginning. The backlash is going to be something to behold.

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    9. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Unlikely. The FCC overturned NN at the federal level, but the FCC can't override state law without a legal mandate. That would require Congress to pass legislation,

      They already did that, dumb ass. You know, when that time they passed legislation creating the FCC to begin with.

    10. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The Federal Supremacy Clause.

      Generally, the States can write laws that are more strict than the Federal law. They can write laws so that State laws don't apply to the actions of the US Government, but those laws still apply to everybody else just fine. For example, the Forest Service doesn't need to get permission from the State, such as local permitting, to build roads and stuff in their forest. They have their own federal land use laws to regulate that.

      There are severe limits to what the US Government can prevent the States from regulating. They can enact Federal rules and force the State rules to include at least that much, but then States get to extend that how they want. Stopping that requires a Constitutional Amendment!

      Federal Supremacy is only useful to include in your analysis when you consider how it works. Just pointing at it and claiming that Caesar is in Rome isn't really good enough.

    11. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally, the States can write laws that are more strict than the Federal law.

      Tell that to Arizona but be prepared to be laughed at.

    12. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny how right-wing jackoffs are all about states' rights

      Actually, they only care about states' rights to keep slaves.

    13. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Remember all this the next time Democrats control Washington. You will flip your philosophy faster than a steamed White Castle, and shout the joys of federal enforcement and regulation trumping states doing what they want.

      Both you, and who you responded to, fancy yourselves the real deal, but you are botb part of the problem.

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    14. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Fed regulation overrides state laws if the fed law says so, or even gets near it. There's a thing called the dormant commerce clause that says if Congress passes a weak regulation, that it is them saying no state may override the nothingness Congress deliberately set in place. Maybe they just need to consider a part of a bill, then leave that part out, and by passing the bill without that part, the fact they deliberately declined to regulate something implies no state may either.

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    15. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      California is not as liberal as you think. There are many initiatives to split California into many smaller States more representative of its population. If California tips too far to the left I don't think it will be 1/8th of the population anymore and the liberals will be squeezed into their hellholes (i should say homeless shit holes on their way to being the next Detroit) of high taxation areas. While the new Conservative States will be thriving areas just like Texas and people will flock there in droves. Besides this little legislative stunt will get turned over as Federal Statues will "Trump" the State code. This has played out in many times before in the Courts. Federal FCC regulations will overturn any State ordinance. Thats why states can't control the spectrum and the states won't be able to mandate that to ISP's to control bandwidth. This is all for show and feel good and the Democrats know it. This will be challenged in court and easily overturned.

    16. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These topics have always been debated way before Trump. Are you a moron?

    17. Re:Won't this just get overridden by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      California is not as liberal as you think.

      Do you know what percentage of California's electoral votes went to Hillary? 100%

      Do you know who controls the state legislature? the governor's office? Do you have any idea of the party breakdown of our Congressional delegation? How about our two senators?

      California isn't called the "People's Republic of California" because it's "not that liberal". The very name, "California" is used by right-wingers to indicate liberal insanity and 700 different genders and handouts to minorities.

      Yes, there are a few conservatives who live inland. I assume some of them are very fine people. But we aren't giving them the keys to the car anytime soon, and there's just not enough of them to matter. They're like Democrats in South Carolina.

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    18. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah just this election cycle for a Democrat. California has had more electoral college wins for Republican presidents than Democrat. candidates. Also maybe you don't remember but the last Governor of California was a Republican. Also California has enjoyed quite a few decades of a Republican majority in the legislature. If you follow history it has gone back and forth many times. California won't stay blue forever. The most prosperous years for California btw were when the Republicans controlled most of the legislative bodies and built up California what is is today. You can say that the Democrats are riding the coat tails of the earlier Republican years in California. When times get tough for the average Joe they'll switch party allegiances in a heart beat if they think they're getting a raw deal by whoever is in power.

    19. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep this is what gives companies the right to set up Radio towers and interstate communications systems and it'll override any local ordinance.

    20. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe we have a party that actually enforces the laws of the land instead of choosing at will.

    21. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Wickard vs Filburn ...

      It doesn't change the basic limitation of regulatory authorities: They regulate providers and vendors. They rarely regulate consumption (IE, point of sale) and they don't regulate the states. It will be interesting to see what happens if the FCC tells the states what laws they can't make, as was suggested a few days ago: That's serious and malicious overreach.

    22. Re: Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tell that to the ACA that was passed that 1000% regulated consumption.

      enjoy the democRATS new graspin of power

    23. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddamn, DopeFatzo is an insufferable prick. I hope some fine Basketball Americans put him in the dirt.

    24. Re:Won't this just get overridden by fafalone · · Score: 2

      Both sides flip back and forth on states rights whenever politically convenient. Stop thinking this is a right/left issue, they both like or don't like states rights depending on the issue and which way the wind is blowing.

    25. Re:Won't this just get overridden by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Trump is closer to the end of his presidency than he is to the beginning.

      That's optimism.

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    26. Re:Won't this just get overridden by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      That's optimism.

      I'm an "always look on the bright side" kind of guy.

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    27. Re:Won't this just get overridden by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That's why you welcome people on your lawn. Just not Republicans.

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    28. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you know what percentage of California's electoral votes went to Hillary? 100%

      California always gives 100% of its electoral votes to one candidate. It doesn't split its electoral votes in any way.

    29. Re:Won't this just get overridden by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      California always gives 100% of its electoral votes to one candidate. It doesn't split its electoral votes in any way.

      Correct, and the last time California went Republican was three decades ago. And since then there have been significant demographic changes, so I wouldn't expect to turn Cali red any time soon.

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    30. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont' like listening to the fed? Hows that water supply doing? Hows the state budget doing?

      CA isn't an island and your arrogance only works right up until someone cares and decides to stop carrying you through all the shit you do to fuck yourselves over.

      The current federal government may be staffed by douchebags from the top down, but you aren't shit without them even if you don't realize it and you will still play be the same rules as everyone else regardless of how many times you have some moron rant about succession.

      You guys are as dumb as radical Texans, except Texans are typically more likely to follow through on their actions than they are to make arrogant threats and then ask for a bailout the next day.

      You have a very warped view of reality that somehow makes you think you are self contained AND supporting the world when thats pretty much the exact opposite of reality.

      Trump is a worthless sack of crap, but pretending Pelosi and the like are different just shows you've drank your party's coolaid rather than having a coherent thought of your own.

    31. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Dormant commerce clause prohibits state discrimination of out-of-state business vs local ones.

    32. Re: Won't this just get overridden by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 1

      I am here from Washington State and we already passed a net neutrality law ahead of Cali just like for weed, so we got that going for us. Maybe we should just get it over with and secede. There's no good reason to be against net neutrality. All the states for it are just sad. There's zero arguments for it: prices didn't go down, there's no new investment. We should declare it a utility. All the states that are the early harbingers are already there.

    33. Re:Won't this just get overridden by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I don't welcome "people". I welcome you.

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    34. Re:Won't this just get overridden by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      haha Thanks :)

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    35. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd argue that j-off passing judgement based off of two comments is the major contributor to the problem.

    36. Re:Won't this just get overridden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and Donald Trump won't be elected President. Heard it all before. Your Blue liberal paradise won't stay blue forever. That's the way politics have worked for the last 200 years.

  5. why are people against zero rating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seems like free stuff

    1. Re:why are people against zero rating? by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      can't let att offer directv streaming and now all the time warner cnn tnt content...

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    2. Re:why are people against zero rating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not 'free'...there is both a lost opportunity cost and a real cost as you pay ISP data charges for content the ISP does NOT own...if they want to 'zero rate' content...then zero rate ALL content. The ISP is the provider of the infrastructure not the content...those should be entirely separate. It's like owning a road & a trucking company & not charging your own trucking company to use the road but charge all others a fee to use the road...those should not mix when you have government mandated monopolies on the road (e.g. cable infrastructure).

      The point is what if I don't WANT their 'zero rated content'? Why should I have to pay for data charges for content the ISP doesn't own or hasn't made some side deal with content owners on?

    3. Re:why are people against zero rating? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Because it's a lie. Basically, they jack up the base price, "zero rate" their own content and clamp down on the data caps to keep the other players out.

      It's generally preferable to arrange things so they can't clamp down on data usage without shooting their own foot in the process.

  6. Welcome back by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    to paper insulated wireline and new gov regulations to enforce everyone getting the same NN.

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  7. This is what CA gets for legalizing weed by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

    Several states have passed laws or regulations that have the same effect, but which are pretty much immune to the inevitable lawsuits -- Just ruling that the state will not do business with companies that are non-neutral.

    California could have gone this way. But no. They pass a net neutrality law which is very likely going to lose to legal challenges, after a huge expense in court.

  8. Ambivalent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a libertarian I HATE this kind of thing...as a Pragmatic libertarian I'll accept it. If we're handing out monopolies by state/city government internvention then I guess this is one way to 'fix' that...Better yet would have been to pass a law requiring all internet service providers to supply their infrastructure at 'non-discriminatory rates' (e.g. they have to charge others the same that they would charge themselves) & then allow open competition of ISPs. Then tack on laws to further reverse the cable monopolies 'ownership' (e.g. 'one touch make ready' & stuff like that)...then competition would take care of the rest.

    1. Re:Ambivalent by sjames · · Score: 2

      That gets quite complicated to make it work. Back in the '90s it was done for POTS lines and Covad made a serious play to provide DSL over lines leased from the ILECS. The prices were as mandated, but Covad work orders went under the bottom of the stack. Just getting a wire screwed into a terminal block could take months, but having them "accidentally" disconnected only took seconds.

  9. I sure hope so by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but our government is specifically structured to limit your influence and increase the influence of rural voters. That's why we have a Senate and why we have an Electoral College...

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    1. Re:I sure hope so by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but our government is specifically structured to limit your influence and increase the influence of rural voters.

      We got rural voters. Urban voters. Black voters, white voters, brown voters and every kind of voter.

      That's why we have a Senate and why we have an Electoral College...

      Speaking of electoral votes, we got more of them than any other state. We have more electoral votes than Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia put together.

      Face it, without California, the United States might as well be Brazil or Mexico. We're the straw that stirs the drink. We're the state that everyone writes songs about. Other states aspire to be us. You hear all kinds of places saying that they're the "new Silicon Valley". You don't hear them say "We're the new West Virginia" or, "We're the new Indiana".

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    2. Re:I sure hope so by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Face it, without California, the United States might as well be Brazil or Mexico. We're the straw that stirs the drink. We're the state that everyone writes songs about.

      Well, there is Texas Flood...

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    3. Re:I sure hope so by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Well, there is Texas Flood...

      True, there are a lot of songs about Texas, I wrote about them extensively in my music blog during the year I lived there. But they're all written by Texans, and they're not always complimentary of the state. On the other hand, most of the songs about California are from people wishing they were here instead of whatever shithole they happen to be in.

      In fact, now you got me thinking. Here's a song by one of Texas' most famous psychedelic bands. It's their most famous song and it's about longing for something you only find here in California. It's also a great song, so I recommend listening to it.

      https://youtu.be/xYe1HnZvioA

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    4. Re:I sure hope so by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Speaking of electoral votes, we got more of them than any other state. We have more electoral votes than Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia put together.

      But because your population is so high, you have a lot more voters per elector than more rural states, so in effect your vote counts for less than someone in one of them. It's high time to reform that, just because urban voters want different things is no reason to make their vote count for less (and boy are the city folk unhappy being forced to live under what the low density states want). It's not right that because you live in a city your vote counts for less. Everyone should have an equal say from LA to Bumfuck, Nowhere.

    5. Re:I sure hope so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lived in CA for 3 years. it IS the shithole.

    6. Re:I sure hope so by Talderas · · Score: 1

      We have more electoral votes than Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia put together.

      California has 55 electoral votes. Texas has 38 electoral votes. Oklahoma has 7 electoral votes. Arkansas has 11 electoral votes. Indiana has 11 electoral votes. Kentucky has 8 electoral votes. West Virginia has 5 electoral votes. That's 55 electoral votes to 133. California has less than half of the electoral votes of the states you listed.

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  10. FWIW by thomst · · Score: 1

    I predicted this would happen when /. ran a clickbait headline about how the chair of the Assembly telecom committee "killed" the original bill by unilaterally approving telecom-authored amendments to it before it went to the Assembly floor for a vote.

    Obviously, he did nothing of the kind. Instead, all of the bought-and-paid-for telecom industry amendments went bye-bye in the process of the bill making its way through the Assembly, then the Senate, then reconcilliation, just as I said they would.

    That's the way legislative checks and balances work in California. Not even the Assembly Speaker - the second-most-powerful politician in the state - can unilaterally dictate the contents of a bill, and expect it to survive the sausage-making process intact. That's especially the case with public-interest legislation, which this very much is. There are too many eyes on the process, both within the Lege and outside it (i.e. - journalists, public-interest lobbying groups, gadflys, etc.)

    Would that it worked as well on the national level ...

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  11. The devil is in the details by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2

    Has anyone reporting on this actually read the entire text? I'll bet not.
    Regardless, the ISPs aren't going to bend over an deliver gigabit internet to everyone. They will most likely not upgrade performance or even universally degrade performance. With most places having two or even one ISP, there's no competitive financial incentive to make the service universally better.

    1. Re:The devil is in the details by sjames · · Score: 1

      Then watch them squeel and cry when municipal internet service comes to town.

    2. Re:The devil is in the details by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 1

      Has anyone reporting on this actually read the entire text?

      Well....actually, yes. And I don't even live in Cali. The text of the Senate Bill (I'm sure you are smart enough to find the House version) http://leginfo.legislature.ca....

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    3. Re:The devil is in the details by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Then the state will take their wires and run it themselves. And the isp won’t get shit.

  12. I live in CA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one phone company to choose from and one ISP. They are the same entity. They both rape me.

    Monopoly anyone? Nope, it's a telco, protectionism at it's best.

    1. Re:I live in CA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't rape the willing!

      You like it. You know you do.

  13. Lawful traffic by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 1

    So, it is also setting making it possible to define "unlawful traffic", and require ISPs to block it in the future. Unlawful traffic like streaming.

  14. Go California! by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    I seldom have anything good to say about that hyper-liberal state, but here they are correct. If net neutrality goes, expect the telecoms to skim the profit off of every single internet company that exists while doing nothing themselves. The ultimate rent-seekers.

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  15. Two Party State by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    Two party state and both parties are scumbags, not much you can do with first past the post when everybody votes for the one of the top two that they like the least and nobody can be bothered to think for themselves and prefers to have newspapers, TV and the internet do their thinking for them.

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  16. The more neutral the bigger the big tech monopoly by Chissblue · · Score: 1

    Funny how this net neutrality gives the usual suspects the playing field to monopolize the net in the name of freedom. But it makes sense for California to accommodate an industry that can't move faster out of the failing state.