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Two-thirds of India's Smartphone Market, the Second Largest in the World, is Now Run by Chinese Handset Makers (venturebeat.com)

India's smartphone market, which is the second largest in the world (and one of the few markets that continues to show strong growth each quarter), is currently a key battleground for a number of phone makers from China, Taiwan, and South Korea. And increasingly, Chinese phone makers are winning. From a report: Leading the charge is Xiaomi, which last year ended Samsung's five-year-streak as the top phone vendor in the nation. The period between April and June of this year was the fourth consecutive quarter for Xiaomi as the top vendor in India, according to IDC. Xiaomi (29.7 percent market share as of Q2) has aggressively undercut the offerings of its rivals by selling inexpensive but high-quality smartphones in India. A spokesperson for the company said that India is currently its most important market.

In the second quarter of this year, four of the top five smartphone makers were Chinese, according to IDC. In addition to Xiaomi, that number includes Oppo (7.6 percent market share), Vivo (12.6 percent), and Transsion (5 percent). Together with other Chinese phone makers such as Lenovo, the group held two-thirds of the local smartphone market in the second quarter, IDC said in a report published last month. Less than three years ago, the aggregate market share of these companies was under 15 percent in India. [...] Indian smartphone makers Micromax, Karbonn Mobile, Lava, and others together held about 46 percent of the market in early 2016.
Per the report, Chinese players were originally the design and hardware (ODM) partners of Indian smartphone vendors. They saw an opportunity in India, and cut the middlemen -- Indian vendors -- and started selling phones themselves. Their offerings were better and more cost-effective. Interestingly, even in the premium smartphone segment -- phones priced at $400 or higher -- OnePlus, a Chinese phone manufacturer, outperformed Samsung and Apple in India in the most recent quarter.

83 comments

  1. So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chinese smartphone makers now rule the world's largest and the second largest smartphone markets? That is incredible to say the least.

    1. Re:So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't kid yourselves. there absolutely is malware on and inside these devices, but you won't find it (all)...

      it's how the chinese government keeps tabs on its greatest threats..

      the u.s... the superpower china desperately wants to be...

      and india... its neighbor and the only country in the world that can counter china's massive population.

    2. Re:So, essentially by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      it's how the chinese government keeps tabs on its greatest threats..

      No it isn't. I don't think India will let them do that though.

    3. Re:So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all.
      Chinese and Indians know what 'value proposition' is, and vote with their feet/wallets/purses.Value added bling there,is a harder sell, unless it does not depreciate - like gold.
      Apple stopping support for old models is a deal killer - reputational poision there.
      I like to say owning a top phone does not make you smarter/more attractive/better marriage material/success symbol. However Trailer trash and the homeless in western countries somehow scab the dollars.

      Prediction: Huge massive production runs win out long term. Knowing you have a sure future sale, places downward pressure on the value added set(Channel partners). This will create problems - unless it has open firmware - it may depreciate many sacks of rice.

      The Chinese have listened to their customers/market and delivered. No mystery here.

    4. Re:So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No cases of malware or spyware has ever been discovered in the large Chinese manufacturer's phones, like Huawei, Xiaomi, Vivo, and Oppo. There have only been accusations, nothing backed up.

      On the other hand, it's been repeatedly shown, and admitted, that American telecom equipment contains back doors. Give that a good think.

    5. Re:So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I'd trust Chinese phones before I'd trust apple.

    6. Re: So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple caved to the Chinese. And let's be honest, you think the Chinese would be so negligent as to pass up this opportunity? Do you think they're so dumb that they'd leave the weapon out to be analyzed and pilfered? No, they'll download they payload when they need it.

    7. Re:So, essentially by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, if you miss shit in the street, you can visit San Francisco!

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    8. Re:So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden shows us how the US does it as well.. so what is your point again?

    9. Re:So, essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >_ Chinese smartphone makers now rule the world's largest and the second largest smartphone markets? That is incredible to say the least.

      No, it's far worse than that (or better, depending how you look at it).

      I'm in South America and we got two cars which were introduced in India first over here. They're sub-compacts in the American terminology, they start simple and are progressively improved, migrating to more expensive tiers as electronics and features are added.

      What's important is that India is an excellent testing ground for new products, because if you can make it in India, there's a good chance you can make it in China and other medium-class markets and afterwards you'll have a better chance to make it in first-world markets like America and possibly even in Europe.

      So, there was a time when one should strive to make it in the USA, but these times now are gone. Now it's India&China, because you can reach a larger market by dealing with just one or two government/regulation set.

      What problems arise from that for Americans? First, it will be now costlier for makers to adequate products for the American market, which will be no longer as appetizing as it once was -- be it because of size or because of adaptation costs (add to that the bothersome need to convert units from worldwide understood SI units to provincial American ones).

      Back to the car example, two automakers short-circuited the English world out of the production cycle. American is closing itself and fighting globalization, but the world isn't saying "don't do that"; instead, companies are saying "fine, let's do it without the Americans". You cannot get a slice of the cake anymore.

      To those commenting on aspects of India cleanliness:

      1. You may do things which are disgusting to them and don't know;
      2. People change, habits change... people use forks, sticks and hands to eat, depending on the situation; we may come to acknowledge India as sophisticate one day (some already do);
      3. Pecunia non olet: an Indian smartphone has no smell.

    10. Re:So, essentially by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Chinese smartphone makers now rule the world's largest and the second largest smartphone markets? That is incredible to say the least.

      I hate to say it, but it is a sad statement wrt to India (considering the enormous amount of talent in that country) that it could/would not develop a hardware manufacturing base capable of competing with their Chinese counterparts.

    11. Re:So, essentially by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      That's utter bullshit.

      Native spyware was found by the US government in multiple brands of Chinese smartphones. The brands included OnePlus, Xiaomi, and ZTE.

      I had a ZTE and I can attest, in my (and others') attempt to root it, it was found to be solidly locked down so the spyware could not be uninstalled.

      Certain models of ZTE, and OnePlus, and Xiaomi "call home" which happens to be in China, and report on your activities. (Hey... Google does it too.)

      The affected models were banned for use by military. And existing ones replaced.

      But... it is also true that certain American telecom equipment has "back doors". This is not disputed. It has been known since at least 1993.

    12. Re:So, essentially by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see phones with Google's default surveillance installed similarly banned from military use.

  2. Small surprise, considering the price/performance by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had a Xiaomi 3S for two years, it is still a great phone, I've strapped it to the dog harness for GPS and telemetry when we're in the woods. I moved on to Note 5, also a great phone. Bonus: both are completely open handsets, no hackery to unlock and root, all kinds of roms available.

    Why would I ever look at a walled-garden or a locked phone where I'm getting a lot less but it costs three times more?

  3. Re: Small surprise, considering the price/performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if only xaomi would make a phone with a physical keyboard as awesome as the one on the keytwo

    bonus if they gave it a removeable battery

  4. What about Apple by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    What about Apple? Apple’s marketshare in India continues to fall as it hits 1% in Q2

    Whoops, that's not good, in the soon-to-be world's most populous nation.

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    1. Re:What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all honesty they wouldn't know what to do with an iPhone besides shit on it. Yeah so crazy that a country who is known for churning on dirt cheap products has an almost equally cheap country as its biggest customer.

    2. Re:What about Apple by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? Are you an Apple employee?

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    3. Re:What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because India is incredibly poor. Have you compared China's GDP to India's? Nine trillion dollar difference, but similar population sizes. Not even the same league as far as standards of living goes. India may have a billion people, but millions of them live on two dollars a day and are functionally illiterate. Not exactly the kind of customers Apple is interested in.

    4. Re:What about Apple by mentil · · Score: 1

      Going much higher than 1% would require slashing their profits, and selling at a lower price in India. If they did this, the phones would be exported to Europe en-masse to undercut the ones sold there at a higher price. Carrier-unlocked iPhones aren't otherwise region-locked, so there's little they could do to stop that.

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    5. Re:What about Apple by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Not exactly the kind of customers Apple is interested in

      But the Chinese Android manufacturers are very interested. Though it may be obvious, let me spell it out: in technology, market disruption always starts at the low end.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    6. Re:What about Apple by Tough+Love · · Score: 1
      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    7. Re:What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... if they aren't using Apple, does that mean they're all getting less-expensive music, movies, and apps? Outrageous!

    8. Re:What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Apple? Appleâ(TM)s marketshare in India continues to fall as it hits 1% in Q2

      Whoops, that's not good, in the soon-to-be world's most populous nation.

      Don't feel too sorry for them, they've only got a cushion of a few hundred billion dollars lying around.

    9. Re: What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off back to reddit, asshole.

    10. Re:What about Apple by SolemnLord · · Score: 1

      Though it may be obvious, let me spell it out: in technology, market disruption always starts at the low end.

      Weird how that's a truism yet the iPod and iPhone were decried for their cost when they were released.

    11. Re:What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >technology, market disruption always starts at the low end.

      Are you retarded? What technology disruption started on the low end? cars? no. electricity? no. computers? no. cell phones? no.

      New tech is always brought to market as a luxury on the high end after it matures in academia/military research. Read a fucking book, kid.

    12. Re:What about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all honesty they wouldn't know what to do with an iPhone besides shit on it. Yeah so crazy that a country who is known for churning on dirt cheap products has an almost equally cheap country as its biggest customer.

      Well.. it seems to me that they know EXACTLY what to do with a worthless phone like the iPhone (besides using it as a paperweight)?

  5. Re: Small surprise, considering the price/performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the capacity is good enough to last through your day without going below 50%, the chance is the phone will break before you need to change it. As for that keytwo keyboard, well, how about no.

  6. Why is this bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In what way is this bad? A competitive market will choose the best economic solution: China has been chosen.
    Stop lamenting the rest of the world's loss and begin competing with China on an equal footing.

    1. Re: Why is this bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is China part of a competitive market?

    2. Re: Why is this bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since the 1860 end of the opium wars. Back then, competition meant they were forced to import everything from Europe with military intervention if sales dropped.

  7. Chinese needle dicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinese needle dicks talkin' on the phone be like "ching chong chung ching chang chong".

  8. And if it was run by America, it would be good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Again with all the American articles and accusations that China are evil simply because they exist and sell things. They didn't force their high-quality high-value Android phones onto India, they freely choose to buy them because of their quality and value.

    This is just another accusation-ridden lament from American interessts because they CAN NOT COMPETE. China are the masters of manufacturing and production, just accept it.

    1. Re:And if it was run by America, it would be good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. General Motors, Ford, NASA, US Army, and the CIA buy all their tools and supplies at Harbor Freight.

  9. Not surprising to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd owned a Micromax phone in the past, with the intention to support an Indian company. With the amount of annoying and unavoidable bloatware and advertisements they shove onto you through their sluggish devices, it's not a surprise people bitterly switch to other makers. I own A Motorola phone now and I love it!

  10. Donate and Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they donate to Trump's golf courses in south-east Asia, I'm sure they can also start making a move on the US consumer market and infrastructure. Better pay up, Huawei!

  11. Re: And if it was run by America, it would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Alibaba.

  12. %100 on them are backdoored by china also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As we all know that all Chinese Handset Makers backdoor their products for their government.

    1. Re:%100 on them are backdoored by china also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what we know is that 1) what you say has NEVER been proven, and 2) backdoors like the ones you speak of has been found time and again in American telecom equipment, most prominently Cisco and Juniper.

      Nothing but accusations and refusals to back them up.

    2. Re:%100 on them are backdoored by china also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how many backdoors are accidental? e.g. buy a router or camera, a test/dev hardcoded account still is there.
      Backdoor conspiracy involving all phone vendors seems dangerous, there are too many of them. Would this leak by accident, hacking or via a defector?

      Maybe the easiest way of backdooring a phone is the method of intercepting the delivery, modifying firmware/OS and mailing it to destination. More covert.

  13. Re:yuo fail; it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elegy For *BSD

    I am a *BSD user
    and I try hard to be brave
    That is a tall order
    *BSD's foot is in the grave.

    I tap at my toy keyboard
    and whistle a happy tune
    but keeping happy's so hard,
    *BSD died so soon.

    Each day I wake and softly sob
    Nightfall finds me crying
    Not only am I a zit faced slob
    but *BSD is dying.

  14. iPhones are too expensive in India by mveloso · · Score: 1

    iPhones are too expensive for the mass market in India, due to huge tariffs.

    1. Re:iPhones are too expensive in India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhones are too expensive for the mass market in India, due to huge tariffs.

      India places the same tariff, percentage-wise, on all smartphones, regardless if it came from Apple, Oppo, Samsung, or Xiaomi

  15. They make phones people can afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly the Apple's of the world would rather meet their margins then make a cheaper phone. They loose in countries where the people make wiser decisions on buying technology based on what their needs and wallet can afford. Not because it has a fruit on the back of them. People in India are rather agnostic to what brand they buy, just as long as it works.

    1. Re:They make phones people can afford by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

      Sadly the Apple's of the world would rather meet their margins then make a cheaper phone. They loose in countries where the people make wiser decisions on buying technology based on what their needs and wallet can afford. Not because it has a fruit on the back of them. People in India are rather agnostic to what brand they buy, just as long as it works.

      Better value phones with compelling reasons to buy, real innovation and Government's/ Media that is not pro-Apple. Actual average costs of phones is being driven upwards, by great value high end phones like the Pocophone F1, and an exciting mid-range market that does more. Apple is fighting back with an LCD model that I suspect gives good margins to vendors, but worryingly for them Chinese companies other than Apple are increasingly cutting these middle men out. I don't believe that they are agnostic about brand, its just Apple as a boutique brand does not have the same draw.

    2. Re:They make phones people can afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Western media indeed you have quite the circle jerk sometimes, first with the original iPhone, then the iPad, but also other things like the Wii, certain high profile movies and series (remember Lost, Prison Break, Game of Thrones) and even season finale (Breaking Bad).
      I can tell you all of this happened in France.

      Note that with just a few Western European languages you're covering several continents (both Americas, much of Europe at least the wealthy parts, much of Africa, Oceania), many hundreds millions people. This gets a media circle jerk going, fast. Add Chinese, Japanese, Korean, the other European languages and Arabic and Russian then you've got global bullshit going (your product is in ads, or even makes the fucking news)

      India? for some reason it's always seemed so remote to me. Take no offense. Like Turkey or Iran their language seems not global at all (in fact, what is India's language? er, Hindi but how many do speak it there?). The country seems so culturally independent and alien to me. The caricature is a thousand people in the streets, self-employed and working in the streets, famously bathing in the river or having colorful ancient-looking lives. I just don't see how reading news articles that masturbate about iPhones fits in there.

  16. ... considering the price/performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I ever look at a walled-garden or a locked phone where I'm getting a lot less but it costs three times more?

    Thanks to the Western Idiots, Apple & Samsung thought that everyone in the world is stupid.

    Indians are not stupid.

  17. Re:Small surprise, considering the price/performan by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

    According to the subtext of this article, a country's own manufacturers should do it. Which is bizarre, because the subtext is always that a country's own manufacturers are stupid and lazy and deserve to be run out of business by foreign competition.

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  18. When you start with a higher price by mveloso · · Score: 1

    When you start with a higher price the price moves even higher.

    1. Re:When you start with a higher price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That same magnitude but higher value price change isn't not due to a tariff then. The magnitude of price change imposed is the same regardless, and manufacturers must compete on their internal costs.

  19. Marketshare != profits by iserlohn · · Score: 1

    Chinese smartphone makers are succeeding because they are focusing on marketshare only. While component makers understand this an extract profits from the underlying tech these devices are based on. That's the reason why Samsung and Sony make a lot more in semiconductors and sensors than smartphones.

    Huawei is the only Chinese company that can put up a fight in that sense.

  20. 330 million Americans are scared of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why not dump them on to 1.324 billion customers nation?! Huawei and Xiaomi must be raking in tons of money while trumpeting their noses at Washington and Pentagon.

  21. So India is the biggest surveillance state and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two thirds of that surveillance is controlled by China the second biggest surveillance state! Or is China third after USA? Or are USA and Russian Federation tied?

  22. Xiaomi Launching in the US by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    So why not dump them on to 1.324 billion customers nation?! Huawei and Xiaomi must be raking in tons of money while trumpeting their noses at Washington and Pentagon.

    Senior veep Wang Xiang said it was developing US-specific smartphone models with a 2019 launch in mind. It is currently flush with Money from its IPO. The phone in my pocket is a Mi Max 2.

    1. Re:Xiaomi Launching in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump and Apple

      No tariffs for Chinese made Apple Phones in the third 200 Billion tit for tat spat.
      At the same time, dirty tricks to stop non USA listed cheap phones coming in.

      The apperance is as it seems:US does not want high tech tariffs getting started - that would sting (donations). India is smarter - but has missed the manufacturing boat, possibly because of corrupt practices.

      Eventually India will expose shady money trails, or export subsidisation.

  23. Assassinate Vladimir Putin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill the Satanic Monster today!

    1. Re:Assassinate Vladimir Putin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See.. you can get a way with it.

      Now, try the same thing with the orange baboon, the FBI will kick your basement door!

  24. Re:Small surprise, considering the price/performan by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

    I don't know about "subtext", but the text is actually saying something a bit different, that is, that the Chinese makers have made smart partnerships that allowed them to win market share, and that includes making the smartphones in India:

    In addition to expanding their retail presence in the nation, they have made major investments in local manufacturing and assembly, helping to create new jobs for Indians and opportunities for small and medium businesses... Currently over 95 percent of Xiaomi smartphones sold in India are made in India

    Part of it isn't surprising in a general sense, labor costs in China have been rising consistently (https://i.imgur.com/17xTNTc.png). But the part where they rely on local marketing and logistics expertise from nimbler companies is interesting and unique. Definitely not what Apple is doing in China, for example. It is interesting how this will play out when these manufacturers become global brands. The first generation blindly followed the American way of marketing, but the second and the third one may not. And it is kind of beside the point to ask "what about the domestic makers", given the statistic about the % of phones made by a China brand, but in India.

    The big takeaway for all failed parties, be that Indian, Taiwanese, Korean or US should be that customer satisfaction is most important, and where it is tied not to the "brand", but to the actual phone features, as it should be in a truly competitive market, those that identify precisely what it means and deliver it, win.

  25. Not sure about if that is true by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    Apple isn't doing well in China either.

    Having looked at the figures. I was surprised Apple is doing so well at 8%...clearly pandering to the Chinese Government is still profitable. Samsung are being demolished...and are desperate for a new strategy. Unlike Apple they are not a Chinese manufacturer. If there is news with China and Apple its they are not kicking butts and taking names. Apple only produce phones once a year, and that will hurt them the rest of the year. The fact it is only .3 percent of total market share and less than .1 to them shows that they have pretty flat growth, but are in the Game. They have a new strategy of producing a cheaper(for vendors) LCD dual sim version as a market. Its clearly a different market from India, and Apple is not in the same position of being a blip in marketshare.

    1. Re:Not sure about if that is true by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Apple is limited in what it can do by the Chinese government. This is no secret.

      Stop thinking China, internally, is anything like a "Western-style" free market. It's not even close.

      It sometimes resembles a free market to those outside the country. But that's merely illusion created for international traders. Internally, it is very tightly government controlled. And there is no "intellectual property" at all... in fact other countries keep having to remind China -- sternly -- that it promised to honor their patent and copyright laws. (It really doesn't care and violates them willy-nilly anyway.)

      Recently someone tried to make a trade with me for an expensive article, by offering in part an "old, but basically unused, looking brand new" Honda gas-powered electric generator. Honda makes good generators, so I was tempted by the offer (he originally offered it in lieu of $800, the rest in cash). I looked up the item online. And you can google it yourself. "Honda EM-3500-GX generator".

      There are lots of them around. And they sure as hell look like Hondas. But I tried to find a manual online (because I wanted to know if it was electric or manual start), and I found nothing. Very strange.

      I called Honda, and yes, it's a cheaply-made Chinese knockoff, made to look like Honda. This is not illegal, INSIDE China. And if you think the Chinese government doesn't know about it, you are very sadly mistaken. It really doesn't care. It's still foreign $$.

      But it *IS* illegal, according to international trade rules, and even some which China agreed to.

      They cheat. Every chance they get. And they laugh at foreigners who get cheated.

    2. Re:Not sure about if that is true by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      My story is not intended to be any kind of "proof". It's merely an example.

  26. ChiComm evil by Google by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    Google does lots and lots of evil. And China is the Evil Empire. The two are made for each other.

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    1. Re:ChiComm evil by Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your definition of evil must be pretty superficial.
      Mine says the USA is the Evil empire and China is not. Unlike the USA:
      - China does not have 800+ military bases around the world
      - China does not have an extensive history of testing nuclear weapons on human populations
      - China wasn't the first nation to use nuclear weapons on a civilian population
      - China did not murder 3 million vietnamese
      - or 1 million Iraqis
      - or depose the democratically elected governments of about a dozen countries
      - or actively support as many of dictators and authoritarian states in the past 100 years
      - or Genocide the american indians
      - or build their wealth on the backs of black slaves

    2. Re:ChiComm evil by Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China did invade Vietnam. They were kicked out, maybe didn't try very hard or saw it was going to be a mess. It would have been their own "Vietnam"!
      I knew nothing of the casualties, exact length of war. It could be :
      - China did not murder 3 million Vietnamese. They murdered 30,000

      which still is much better, and a retaliation to Vietnam occupying Cambodia. But the regime in Cambodia was completely nuts and it's probably a very good thing that Vietnam "cleaned" things up there. But, but..
      I'm not an expert in all what happened there and late 70s is crazy recent. Probably these countries need (internally and between them) amnesty and forgiveness.

      About the US I propose you consider only what happened since 1898. There are imperialists, think tanks, warmongers that are very proud of the exceptional country leading the world to freedom and liberty shining a light upon the world, and so on and so on.

  27. Clearly Different by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    Weird how that's a truism yet the iPod and iPhone were decried for their cost when they were released.

    Except the Mp3 model was a disruptive product, that was significantly better than anything before, well executed against smaller competitors, copying their established interface in a market of fanatics with Media backing, and had a great store in itunes, with amazing marketing; they are a Trillion Dollar company because of its evolution. Snartphones are an established market where smartphones have better value, more innovative products, without the fanatics and Media backing. They have a worse store, running arguably worse OS; worryingly Apples only Unique selling point is IOS. They even get in trouble with consumer groups for putting old hardware in their fixed iPhones, their brand power and halo effect are ineffective, they might even care that Apples phones are produced by rioting workers and children...but worst of all they do not have Monopoly power, without any ground braking innovation. They are going to try with an LCD dual sim phone...and I am not betting against them.

    1. Re:Clearly Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until Apple Watch + AirPods makes physical slab phones obsolete. What makes you think we will all be lugging around big flappy phablets in our pockets in a decade?

    2. Re:Clearly Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We will still need the means to read stuff. The screen of a smartwatch is just too small for it.

  28. No Donation Necessary by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    They do not have to work with Trump, The carriers have the power in the US. Chinese companies are already looking at the US with greedy eyes, and are already stating they are interested in entering the market. Xiaomi Senior Vice President Wang Xiang is confident that his company will be able to enter the US market in 2019. In context of this thread they already took India by storm.

  29. Except Google left China by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    Google does lots and lots of evil. And China is the Evil Empire. The two are made for each other.

    Ironically Google effectively shut down its Chinese operations after it discovered a cyberattack from within the country that targeted it and dozens of other companies. And while investigating the attack, Google found that the Gmail accounts of a number of Chinese human-rights activists had been hacked. It expected Microsoft and Apple to follow suit...but well money. At least Apple/Microsoft is there to actively censoring for the Chinese Government...because blood money.

  30. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Protip: all batteries are removable.

    1. Re:Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protip: Protip went out with the '90s. Far out, man! Can you dig it?

  31. Stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are crafted by Chinese sympathizers. This story is designed to convince folks to get Chinese phones because it seems like theyâ(TM)ll be the clear winners and no one wants a loser phone.

    Apple is working on the India issue, where do you think those used iPhones you sell back to apple go? They are going to start producing in India.

    Other manufacturers are leaving China as well as labor gets more expensive. China will pop in less than a decade and they will be plunged into a depression the likes to world has never seen. Dont invest in China, you will lose your money

  32. Apple Sympathizer by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    Are crafted by Chinese sympathizers. This story is designed to convince folks to get Chinese phones because it seems like theyâ(TM)ll be the clear winners and no one wants a loser phone.

    Apple is working on the India issue, where do you think those used iPhones you sell back to apple go? They are going to start producing in India.

    I don't think you realise that Apple are a Chinese Manufacture. Ironically you failed to read the article; 95% of phones sold in India by Xiaomi are manufactured in India. India has made it clear they do not want to be a dumping ground for Apples old phones...and at 1% who wants Apple's Loser Phone.

  33. Re:Small surprise, considering the price/performan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many phone features are the same everywhere, and are scaled up and down in concert with pricing. The trick is to sell the same hardware-/featureset for less by making other parts of production more efficient. In the case of Apple and other hardware designers having their devices manufactured in China, that's been labour.

    The mistake that executives in the West (the U.S.) have made, is, that they have let their own home-grown workforce and logistics capabilities flounder in favour of Asian countries, instead of innovating in all the facets of their production cycles at home.

  34. Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the entire LAMP stack.

    1. Re:Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I would have had linux in 97, but back then spending days downloading distros and looking things up on the internet would have cost like the equivalent of a thousand dollar phone bill.

  35. 23 skidoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We used to say this when we wore onions on our belts, as was the fashion at the time.

  36. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  37. The state of 4G in India makes owning phines good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In India we can get 2GB of data per day with unlimited calls and 100 sms per day for Rs 498 (less than 8 dollers) for 3 months. This makes owning cheap chinese phones(all phones are chinese either made in chiana or otherwise) very attractive. Indians are addicted to whatsup,facebook and youtube and consume a lot of $G data. A $150 android phone comes with dual sims 3 Gb ram 32GB storage with slot for sd card and removable battery. Also the cameras are decent. This is what makes tens of millions of indians buy new android phones each month and chinese manufacturers are cashing on it.

  38. 5 different brands? by houghi · · Score: 1

    Why not only choose between Samsung and Apple. More would confuse the people, right? /s

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