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Samsung Plans To Overhaul Its Smartphone Strategy at the Mid-range Price Point (cnbc.com)

Samsung Electronics plans to overhaul its smartphone strategy at the mid-range price point in order to appeal more to millennials, the company's mobile CEO has told CNBC. From the report: DJ Koh said the South Korean giant is changing its smartphone strategy for its mid-priced Galaxy A series of smartphones amid a slowdown in the handset market. Instead of introducing new technology into the flagship Galaxy S and Note series of devices, Koh said Samsung will look to bring in cutting-edge features to its cheaper models first. The first of these devices will come later this year. "In the past, I brought the new technology and differentiation to the flagship model and then moved to the mid-end. But I have changed my strategy from this year to bring technology and differentiation points starting from the mid-end," Koh told CNBC in an exclusive interview last week. The move comes amid a global smartphone slowdown with Samsung feeling a bit of the pressure. Sales in its mobile division fell 20 percent year-on-year in the second quarter of 2018 with the company attributing it to lower-than-expected sales of its high-end Galaxy S9 device.

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  1. Features? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never mind the features, just dump the bloat and unlock the boot loader.

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    1. Re: Features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed... God I hope not they now are going to make the midrange phones in to iPhone X copies as well...

      I need IR,
      I do not want a notch,
      I do not want to have to do without minijack or sd,
      I do not want bloat or knox,
      I do not want a built in battery. ..

    2. Re:Features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind the features, just dump the bloat and unlock the boot loader

      ... and drop the price !!

    3. Re:Features? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      IIRC all Samsung smartphones are bootloader unlocked unless they are carrier branded. Flashing a new ROM is really easy using ODIN.

      I heard they toned down on the bloat lately, which, for flagships, would be a little disappointing for me. That's because with the bloat are really nice features that aren't available with other vendors, some of the best ones ended up in stock Android. That's the kind of thing that push things forwards. For the low end however, I agree that Samsung's bloat is terrible. Flagships have enough horsepower to handle it, as you go down, the bloat stays mostly the same but the specs don't follow, and to make things worse, if they remove something, it tends to be one of the really nice features, the useless stuff that slow down the system stay.

      I like the time when Samsung meant "too many features in a plastic shell". Now, they don't mean anything, Samsung phones are just like other smartphones, essentially pale copies of what Apple is doing as the moment.

    4. Re:Features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Focus Groups

      Focus groups normally tell the maker what to do, and how much.
      A surprise 20% fall is a lot of market to 'give up' on.

      Samsung- have a look at what Copperhead does to some phones. That is a feature I want.
      Feed fake GPS positions, and fake contact lists.
      Include the name Richard Head. My preferred nick name is D....Head.

    5. Re:Features? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      IIRC all Samsung smartphones are bootloader unlocked unless they are carrier branded.

      Nope. That's only true for the Exynos variants. The carrier unlocked phones with snapdragon CPUs have a locked down bootloader. They also make unlocking the Exynos phones very painful. With their knox efuse, you'll void your warranty even for hardware issues and the unlocking process takes like a week. Samsung is not friendly to tweakers.

    6. Re:Features? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Ok, I looked it up and it looks like people in the US and Canada have locked bootloaders. I live in Europe so maybe that's why I didn't really get the problem.
      For the knox eFuse, they can't deny you the warranty if the cause is unrelated. I think it is the case in the EU and in the US. The "KNOX warranty void" just mean that you can't use Knox anymore, which shouldn't really matter unless it is a company issued phone. However, most of it comes from the shop policies, if one denies you a warranty repair, it is a PITA regardless of legality.
      Unless they changed something the unlocking process takes no time at all, in fact, there is no unlocking process since the bootloader isn't locked in the first place. The only thing is that in order to flash a ROM, you need to use ODIN and not fastboot.
      As for being friendly to tweakers, outside of North America, Samsung is relatively tweaker friendly when it comes to letting you do what you want to do. However, don't count on their help if you want to develop on Samsung devices, the worst part is that they often heavily customize their ROMs, so what works on a stock Android may not work with Samsung.

  2. Android is malware, new bullshit phones or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until they get something actually halfway secure and longer term supported than "Musky Minge" or whatever the latest hardware-and-vendor-locked-in flavor is, they might as well just sell malware packages and fuck off the phone hardware.

    1. Re: Android is malware, new bullshit phones or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any software can potentially be vulnerable - kind of up to the end user

  3. News Flash, Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can suck it on a thousand dollar cell phone. When it comes time to purchase again I'll start with other brands.

  4. NOBODY - I MEAN NOBODY - WANTS MID-RANGE SAMY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just don't. It will be sold (as in, buy 1 get 1 and sign up for a year, OR TWO!) to those that don't know the difference, by telcos that don't want you to know the difference.

  5. Flagship phones are too darn expensive by bettodavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Going over $1000 USD for a smartphone is just insane.

    The things aren't even different in any notorious way from last year's version. Same screen size, shape, storage, etc.
    And I don't care if the thing can track how many calories I ate just by taking a selfie while eating or tell some wisecracking jokes while doing web searches. Those new "features" aren't worth going $1000 damn dollars.

    1. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Going over $1000 USD for a smartphone is just insane.

      Going anywhere near $1000 USD for a phone is just insane.

      For that matter, assuming that a new phone is needed every year is insane.

      From the PoV of a phone maker, it's probably safe to assume (right now - in ten years, prolly not) that everyone will be getting a new(er) phone every five or six years. So manufacturing for replacing 15-20% of the phones every year might make sense.

      Beyond that, assuming everyone will need a more powerful phone every replacement? Nope. Maybe every third replacement? Possibly.

      With exceptions for the fashionistas among us. There'll always be a (small) market for the people who buy a phone, not to do phone things, but to show how hip (fashionable, whatever) they are. Which should keep Apple in business, anyways....

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    2. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At this point in time I think we are at peak mobile phone. I still feel no need to upgrade my 4 year old note4, as none of the newer phones provide any compelling features to make me jump, and infact take away features that my 4 year old note4 has.

      The processor on flagship phones cira 4 years ago are still plenty powerful for today's applications. The phone makers just need to come to terms they have reached saturation just like the PC market did 10 years ago with intel resting on it's laurels barely providing any meaningful upgrades to processors other than die process shrinks.

      What they do need to do however is make these devices actually last. These are devices that are carried around daily and handled multiple dozens of times per day. I am currently on my 2nd note4 and will still keep picking up NIB ones from ebay for around $200 a pop rather than shelling out a grand for today's latest ohhh shiny.

      As far as software updates, install TWRP and load LineageOS, there are updated builds released on a nearly daily if not at least weekly basis which include all the latest google monthly security updates as google releases them.

    3. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you buy a phone to last about two years $1k is not at all insane for something you will use all the time.

      You get a huge amount of value from a smartphone...

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    4. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think there's a strong fashion statement in having a Galaxy 9 or an iphone X... rather, the majority of those phones' owners *enjoy* having the latest product, the highest standards of usability and QOL, and whatever is cutting edge.

      In two years you'll be able to get an iPhone X for ~$300, but it won't be the newest.
      "Newest, most advanced" has way wider appeal than "hip".

    5. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      If you buy a phone to last about two years $1k is not at all insane for something you will use all the time.

      $1K for a phone is insane if you are trying to get together a down payment for a home or send your kids to college or any number of better ways to use that money. Adding insult to Apple's injury, nobody keeps a phone for just two years these days. My last phone was a flagship that lasted more than four years. It got replaced by a midrange $400 phone that looks and acts just like a flagship, and will also last four years or more. This phone does everything I want plus leaves $600 in my pocket.

      Yup, we have officially entered the post-flagship era. Don't even think about putting your retirement savings into flagship-addicted AAPL.

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    6. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the rate things advance, the most powerful phone of five years ago is stomped by the cheapest phone available today. Wanting or needing a more powerful replacement doesn't enter in to it, any replacement will be more powerful.

    7. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get a huge amount of value from a smartphone...

      You need to go outside and have someone to communicate with in order to find the value for your phone.

      It is not hard to understand that the typical /.er living and staying in a basement all day would find little to no value in a phone that never rings and never gets any message.

    8. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bull. You donâ(TM)t get $700-800 extra âoevalueâ with a $1000 phone.

    9. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years ago PCs were regularly over that price. The phone is of similar power to a PC and since it's more than just a phone it's used just as frequently. So you can argue its price is worth it depending on what you're using it for. Couple it with something like dex and it can actually be your PC (albeit an odd Android-based one).

    10. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mid range price for smart phones should be $75 to$100! Paying more than $200 for ANY smart phone is beyond insane! How do people not realize that the $1000 smart phone doesn't cost any more to make than the $75 smart phone!?!? And the $75 smart phone can last at least 2-3 years if taken care of properly. By take care of properly I mean not dropping it in the toilet and not sitting on it.

    11. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Going over $1000 USD for a smartphone is just insane.

      Going anywhere near $1000 USD for a phone is just insane.

      For that matter, assuming that a new phone is needed every year is insane.

      From the PoV of a phone maker, it's probably safe to assume (right now - in ten years, prolly not) that everyone will be getting a new(er) phone every five or six years. So manufacturing for replacing 15-20% of the phones every year might make sense.

      Beyond that, assuming everyone will need a more powerful phone every replacement? Nope. Maybe every third replacement? Possibly.

      With exceptions for the fashionistas among us. There'll always be a (small) market for the people who buy a phone, not to do phone things, but to show how hip (fashionable, whatever) they are. Which should keep Apple in business, anyways....

      They aren't phones, they are the new PC, deal with it.

      Computers used to average $2000-$3000 not very long ago, and got upgraded or replaced every couple years, or year... - I'm talking general purpose computers, not gaming rigs. Top of the line graphics card for gaming was $300 back then.

      That dried up, and now we have $1000 graphics cards and phone upgrades every couple years. It's not even remotely surprising if you've been paying attention the past twenty years. The money is out there for those things.

    12. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Two years? The technology isn't moving that fast anymore. I spent $600 on a premium phone over five years ago, and consider it money very well spent. I still haven't found an app that won't run on it because it's too old or slow.

      But the battery is old and a bit worn out now, and I'm no longer getting security updates, so I'm going to upgrade soon. I'm looking forward to getting a phone with a more convenience locking mechanism (fingerprint reader or facial camera - we'll see) and a better camera, but other than that, there are really no new significant features from what was available five years ago.

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    13. Re: Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The exception is blackberry... If you need a 128 GB phone with a real keyboard then there are no other options... you would then need to accept a built-in battery and a price of around 1000 bucks (at least in EU)

    14. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can afford a fancy phone. I use it a lot. I have a fancy phone.

      I can afford a fancy car too. I use a car to go to and from work and once a week groceries. I have a 12 year old good enough car.

      I pay more for a 1 bedroom apartment than I used to pay for a 3 story house with a swimming pool.
      My commute is 10 minutes not an hour each way.

      It's all about priorities.
      Over time I've found I care less about the car and the house than I do about the things that affect every day life. So I've adjusted accordingly. That includes me owning a fancy phone.

    15. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      What I got from your post: "I have a $1,000 phone but I'm still renting." I guess you made my point.

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    16. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not buying because I'm saving for when I retire.

      Money is not the issue, it's choosing where to spend it.
      I'm ok with a crappy car, and a small living space for a few years to make sure my commute is only 10 minutes vs an hour.
      The 10 minute commute is a big win for me, that I suffer with a small living space for.

      I was owning, and owning a house was a headache. I kinda like renting. Again, like i said, priorities.

      Yours are likely different than mine, that does not mean they're wrong, they're just different.

    17. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I feel like you didn't read the post at all. "still renting" is choosing to rent vs choosing to own.

      I am sorry that you think a 1k phone is too expensive. I once made a poor income too.

    18. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what about the midrange phones that were the topic of the article?

    19. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I once made a poor income too

      You are a poster child for this. The rest of us are moving away from overpriced flagships.

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    20. Re: Flagship phones are too darn expensive by houghi · · Score: 1

      The 1000USD phones are there to make the 500 USDone look cheap. When I look, I look arounf 100 USD and even that hurts. Due to age, eyes are getting worse and I need a bit bigger screen.

      All I do is SMS, whatsapp, minor surfing, banking and 5 other apps. No need for speed.

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    21. Re: Flagship phones are too darn expensive by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have mine 3 years and paid 150EUR. are you telling me I should oay more for the same usage?

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    22. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by Arashi256 · · Score: 1

      While I understand the point you're attempting to make, that's nonsense. A modern smartphone is basically a PC in your pocket. Is your PC useless because you have nobody to email? No. There are any number of useful things that a smartphone can do that doesn't involve calling or texting anybody.

    23. Re:Flagship phones are too darn expensive by hankwang · · Score: 1

      "that everyone will be getting a new(er) phone every five or six years."

      I'm all for using stuff until it falls apart, but all my previous phones developed serious hardware issues within about three years. Nexus 5: power button stuck and battery worn out - after I spent EUR 70, I botched the battery replacement. HTC Desire S: touch screen stopped working. Nokia N82: camera broke. Dumb phone before that: couldn't make phone calls anymore and all the key labels had worn off.

      I wonder how people can make a phone last for six years when it is subjected to the stress of being in my pocket or hands all the time.

  6. Galaxy S9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The S9 is the same as the S8, maybe they could have called it S8.1 or S8 (2018).

    Do people buy the S8? Identical phone, about 400 EUR cheaper.

    1. Re:Galaxy S9 by Arashi256 · · Score: 1

      I did! I bought my S8 to replace my aging Sony Compact Z3 when the S9 was released and consequently got it cheap for what it is. The Sony would actually still be fine if the battery still held a charge. That's the thing the phone makers have figured out with non-removable batteries. Eventually the thing is useless even if the specs are still fine for your needs and the phone is physically still in one piece. You'll still have to upgrade in three years no matter what because the battery is fucked. If mobile phones still had replacable batteries, I'm betting most people would keep their phones for 5+ years, assuming the OS updates keep going. Which is another calculated move by the phone makers.

  7. Small, Thick, Sturdy - THAT WOULD BE AN OVERHAUL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever larger phablets.
    Ever thinner phablets.
    Ever more fragile phablets.

    DON'T WANT !

    4.5" screen, thick, sturdy, rubber padding, big battery.

    WANT. CANNOT BUY !

  8. It's too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smart phones have are getting into the "good enough" stage where they do everything people want them to do, so customers are feeling feel less and less incentive to spend money on an upgrade. Even worse, the "upgrades" increasingly add little more than stupid novelty features that nobody really wants.

    The same thing happened with PCs, laptops and tablets. Smart phones are just the latest ones going down the same path..

  9. Moto G5 Plus cost me just $200 by t4eXanadu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bought a Moto G5 Plus for $200 to replace my broken Galaxy phone, and let me tell you: I will never spend more than $400 on a new phone. G5 Plus is a solid midrange phone with good specs and little bloat. Best that Samsung.

    1. Re:Moto G5 Plus cost me just $200 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      G6+ not a whole lot more. Recommended.

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    2. Re:Moto G5 Plus cost me just $200 by coofercat · · Score: 1

      WileyFox makes phones for about £200 - any they're decent specs. The haterz will argue they're not 100% brilliant, which they're not, but there are plenty of things wrong with the top-end dick-extension phones too.

      As for Samsung - the day they make their crappy bundled apps uninstallable is the day I'll consider buying any of their products ever again.

    3. Re:Moto G5 Plus cost me just $200 by dj245 · · Score: 1

      G6+ not a whole lot more. Recommended.

      They aren't making the G6+ for the US market. It is missing several of the typical US frequencies and just isn't sold here. For some reason they are only selling the G6 and the G6 play in the US. I just bought a G5S+. I haven't received it yet but I didn't think it was worth the trouble to import a G6+ and hope it worked with my carrier.

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    4. Re:Moto G5 Plus cost me just $200 by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's exactly why they're doing this: The middle tier phones are good enough for most people so people are buying more of them and fewer flagships.
      Here in Spain many people are buying Xiaomi phones which offer incredible value for the price. Samsung just can't hope to be in a good position if they don't do a major overhaul to their middle line.

  10. Flagships are over priced by skam240 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just bought a last years model Motorola Z2 Force ( https://www.motorola.com/us/pr... ) for $120 from Sprint. This is Mororola's flagship from last year.

    Now granted the Z series isn't as great as Samsung's or Apple's flagships but it's not a bad phone by a long shot and isn't that far off. The only reason I can see for most people to be paying the current prices for the latest and greatest flagships is tech nerd status which I could care less about. I feel like Samsung is wising up here and realize they can't offer anything new that matters all that much and is reorienting itself for what I feel like is the market to come.

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    1. Re:Flagships are over priced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the bill of materials for a flagship phone is usually in the $250 to $350 range. A $700 price is a 50% profit margin, which is what Apple earns on all its phones and even most of their hardware. However, Android manufacturers don't quite have the status symbol of iPhones, so they have to compete on price and eventually their phones fall in price to increase sales or just dump inventory.

      My understanding is that certain organizations/businesses purchase flagships for employees, so that's one group of buyers. And there are apparently individuals who buy a new smartphone every year, but sell their old one, so their net spending is only about $100 per purchase.

      My personal max spending limit on a phone is $300. I'd pay $100 for a basic smartphone, $200 for one with a better camera/waterproofing, and $300 for one with the best camera a consumer could reasonably use.

    2. Re:Flagships are over priced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, while the overall better specs were alluring, the GearVR is what pushed me over the edge to get a Galaxy. For someone who's been looking forward to trying any VR at all since Lawnmower Man, I have to say it's pretty damn sweet as an entry-level intro to the current state of the art and was well worth it to me. I know lots of folks feel differently, but I'm happy with my decision.

    3. Re:Flagships are over priced by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      $120 from Sprint

      That's a contract price. You can't even get a used Z2 force for that price.

  11. You mean ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    ... if you charge less, you can sell more?? Get out!

  12. Stop gluing wear items into the phones by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    We are not idiots, Samsung. Stop gluing wear items such as batteries into our phones.

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  13. Really? Scoff. by skam240 · · Score: 2

    Really? Scoff.

    How many users are really going to take advantage of the slightly greater speeds those phones provide? I just bought last year's model top tier Motorola for $120 ( see for comments on value of purchase https://mobile.slashdot.org/st... ) . These new thousand dollar phones are offering increased values in exactly the opposite places the average user needs.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a power user when it comes to PCs because I play games but unless you're big on mobile gaming or have some super niche, power hungry use for your phone there's very little extra value in these top tier phones. Four of Five years from now you'll be wanting to buy a new phone whether you buys a sub $300 phone or a $1,000 one.

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    1. Re:Really? Scoff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about preferences/priorities.

      I pay for my phone, I don't pay for my car.

      Other people drive bmw's when a corolla is perfectly suited to their needs.

  14. The premium phones are simply too much now. by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    Samsung Galaxy Note 9 in Australia is now:
    $1499 AUD RRP for the base model $1799 AUD for the 8GB / 512GB model.
    That's $1079 US / $ 1294 US

    The base iphone X is $1579 AUD and upgraded is $1829 AUD
    That's $1136 USD / $1316 USD.
    (Admittedly unlike ridiculous America, we DO include taxes in our list prices, no counter shock, ever. Thank goodness)

    Back when I first got into smartphones, the premium level Samsung was about $700 to $900 AUD, that's $650 US which is a lot of money, but if you've got a job, love your gadgets, that's not too bad.

    Now, admittedly, I do have to wonder if some of these increases don't tie back to inflation in general (ever since 2008 / 2009 a LOT of money printing has occurred world wide) but I can't be sure.

    If my wages had gone up on the same trajectory as phones, I probably would have no issue, dropping nearly $2000 on a premium toy that I love to play with. However, wages have */virtually been unchanged at all/*in the last decade, at least in my country.

    Interestingly, some companies do appear able to offer fairly close to top of the line phones at semi-reasonable pricing (down in the $1100 for flagship models) like One Plus etc. It's still gone up, but it's not $1800.

    1. Re:The premium phones are simply too much now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even not including taxes the price "sticker shock" isn't that bad when sales taxes get thrown in. With probably an average of 7% sales tax across the country you're talking about $70 on a $1000 purchase. If you're about to lay down $1000 on a phone and an extra $70 is a make it or break it in the deal, perhaps you should reconsider your financial priorities and go for the cheaper "entry" level models.

    2. Re:The premium phones are simply too much now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's gone up because the market has shown it will bear the price as evidenced by all the isheep lapping up whatever ohh shiny apple puts out. They cost no more to make now than they did 5 years ago, if anything they're probably cheaper to make. Probably an average of $100-200 in actual BOM and the rest of it sweet sweet profit for the manufacturer/retailer. If apple can pull off breaking the $1000 price point, of course every one else is going to make the attempt as well.

    3. Re: The premium phones are simply too much now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can even buy iPhones that cost around 2000 dollars (top of the line iPhone in the EU)

  15. DUH! by p51d007 · · Score: 2

    A properly constructed 835 chip, 4-6 gig of ram, 64 or 128 gig of storage, OLED, 10-12mp camera with OIS is good enough for probably 99% of users. Take off the stupid flashy color garbage along with the glass backs, stick a 4,000mAH battery inside, price it for less than $400 and clean up.

  16. Re:Small, Thick, Sturdy - THAT WOULD BE AN OVERHAU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phone makers don't want to sell phones that last because they want to sell you another phone next year. So we get thin (fragile) phones with non-replaceable batteries that deteriorate greatly in a year or two, connectors that get irreparably damaged, changing accessory specs/connectors.

    Someone will disrupt that eventually. A thicker phone enables a better camera (bigger aperture) - which is now about the only distinguishing advantage to flagship phones, with the added advantage of longer battery life some mid range handset makers might just make the jump and take market share.

  17. Mid-range, where the high price used to be by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Apple and Samsung have done so much to push up the price of a new phone that now the mid-range phone - which is hard to find at retail anywhere - costs more than the flagship phones cost not many years ago. The mid-range phone exists mostly on paper, to encourage people to go out and buy the flagship phones. Good luck finding a Samsung other than a Galaxy S8 (or newer) in any store near you. You'll never find accessories for anything else from them in a retailer either.

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    1. Re:Mid-range, where the high price used to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple and Samsung have done so much to push up the price of a new phone that now the mid-range phone - which is hard to find at retail anywhere - costs more than the flagship phones cost not many years ago. The mid-range phone exists mostly on paper, to encourage people to go out and buy the flagship phones. Good luck finding a Samsung other than a Galaxy S8 (or newer) in any store near you. You'll never find accessories for anything else from them in a retailer either.

      If you're buying electronics and accessories in brick-and-mortar retailers then you're either old or stupid.

    2. Re:Mid-range, where the high price used to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not, if the price and product are the same.
      Sometimes you can even browse for products on the web and find out where in brick-and-mortar you can get it. Like assholes who scan products in stores and order them on amazon, but the other way around.
      If it has to be fixed or replaced on warranty, why not walk to the store and bring it there.

      I think you may find Samsung J series in shops though.

      Historically I've ordered electronics on the Internet (CPU, motherboard etc.). That's rarer for me now, no need to upgrade stuff.
      I get USB drives in brick and mortar, worth getting it immediately.
      Worst is ordering a phone when yours got stolen and the fucking paying thing sends you an SMS 2FA code! I want my old Internet back.

  18. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    High-end & low-end. Never heard of mid-end. Must be the Moral Panic Premium Edition range.

    1. Re:WTF? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Must be the Moral Panic Premium Edition

      Should be a big seller then.

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  19. Stop messing with what works by LaughingRadish · · Score: 2

    Bring back IR emitters.
    Bring back removable batteries.
    Keep SD card slots.
    Keep 3.5mm headphone jack.
    Get rid of rounded edge displays. They're pointless and any gimmicky effect is thwarted by cases.
    Get rid of the notch.
    Forget about edgeless displays.
    Don't lock bootloaders, or at least provide a means for any owner to unlock the bootloader at no charge.
    Keep the physical home button.
    Knock it off with Knox.

    1. Re:Stop messing with what works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apart from the batteries (which all of us can agree on) Xiaomi provides all of the above. Quite happy with my Note 4X, which lacks any notches, lets me unlock the bootloader, has an SD card slot and 3.5 mm jack. Also a 4000 mAh battery. It cost around 150$ last year around this time. Lacks the camera quality of some other phones, but it will be used at least for 2,3 years.

    2. Re:Stop messing with what works by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      You forgot dual SIM.

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    3. Re:Stop messing with what works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies rely on Knox (Now called Workspace) to manage their corporate VPNs and apps. I don't think it's going anywhere. In those use cases it's a selling point.

    4. Re:Stop messing with what works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want more phones to have HDMI support via some method. These devices cost hundreds of devices and are used as media consumption devices, yet many can't directly connect to a TV to show content.

    5. Re:Stop messing with what works by LaughingRadish · · Score: 1

      Knox would be nice if the owners of the phone were allowed to reset it and use their own operating systems (ie, LineageOS)

  20. They will remain explosive, won't they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Otherwise, they would not be Samsung devices. Samsung, a company on fire, hell-bent on singeing the competition and rekindling the market. I am already burning with anticipation.

  21. Carriers will keep forcing the upgrades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really doesn't matter if you want to hold onto your phone or not, the carriers will continue to force them on you. I sadly have a iPhone 6 because my texts kept on coming out of order on the Android phones that I was using. Now while I have no plans on spending $700+ for a new phone T-Mobile is forcing me to buy a new phone because they are moving to Band 12 which my phone doesn't have. My phone has become unusable in my home to where I need Wifi to send and receive calls.

  22. That was kind of a minimum by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Two years? The technology isn't moving that fast anymore.

    I kind of agree; my wife for example has had her phone for about three years now, will probably hold out a year or two longer.

    I myself am waiting two, but honestly the I wouldn't do so that often if not for two factors:

    1) Camera improves enough over that time I find value in an upgrade.

    2) I do mobile development and so need relatively new models to test with.

    Other than that just speed and feature improvements across the board would probably move me to wait no longer than three, two does seem pretty good and is also about the length of a contract most people use that gives them phone upgrades.

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    1. Re:That was kind of a minimum by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Oh, there's no doubt about the vast improvement of cameras over the past few years. There's a HUGE difference in the pictures I took and that of my brother (who has a recent iPhone w/ its excellent camera). Like I said, I'm looking forward to a better camera myself. But I'm not sure how much cameras can realistically improve beyond the current excellent state of the art. Once you can't tell the difference in quality anymore with the naked eye like with screen resolution, it just becomes a numbers bragging-rights game, and people (aside from enthusiasts) will quickly tire of that.

      And as for being a phone developer... well, yeah, I can see you wanting a current phone for dev work.

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    2. Re:That was kind of a minimum by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      But I'm not sure how much cameras can realistically improve beyond the current excellent state of the art.

      Well, the thing is there is still a vast difference between the most recent iPhone camera and my dedicated 4/3 size sensor cameras... so I think phone cameras will be improving for quite a while yet even if the sensors will stay a lot smaller. Still pretty sure I'm not upgrading the phone this year unless they do something amazing.

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  23. I'd like them to be OLED by kriston · · Score: 1

    I'd like them to be OLED. I recently decided upon the affordable Galaxy J7 V 2nd Gen since I'm not a heavy mobile user. When I got to the store I realized that it wasn't OLED and changed my mind.

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  24. What about the USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looked on the Samsung website, and the A series doesn't look listed for USA.
    I have a newer J7 and it works pretty well, but I want something that has more features for my next phone.