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West Virginia Offers Free Cybersecurity Training To the Elderly (axios.com)

West Virginia's Attorney General Patrick Morrisey, who's currently running for U.S. Senate, announced Tuesday that he's partnering with two local community and technical colleges to connect senior citizens with college students for free cybersecurity training. The announcement comes amid rising cyber scams, many of which are targeted at elderly.

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  1. Bad idea by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Now the elderly will NEVER be able to find out how to pay off those student loans!

    1. Re:Bad idea by Nidi62 · · Score: 0

      Now the elderly will NEVER be able to find out how to pay off those student loans!

      And with inevitable cuts to Medicare they need that access to CHEAP V1AGRA!, since those retirement communities are essentially giant orgies.

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      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
  2. Chock full of Cyber Goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No mere Computer Security for West Virginians, they get turbocharged Cyber Security, with added vitamins and minerals to start your day right.

    1. Re:Chock full of Cyber Goodness by llamalad · · Score: 2

      What people call this topic is a great indicator of how well they understand two things: the topic itself, and marketing.

      People who have actual technical chops in the field tend to call it Computer Security, IT Security, or Information Security.

      The clueless, and the people marketing to the clueless, call it Cyber Security.

    2. Re:Chock full of Cyber Goodness by johannesg · · Score: 1

      What people call this topic is a great indicator of how well they understand two things: the topic itself, and marketing.

      People who have actual technical chops in the field tend to call it Computer Security, IT Security, or Information Security.

      The clueless, and the people marketing to the clueless, call it Cyber Security.

      Similarly, arrogant, elitist assholes also refer to cyberpunk as "information punk", cybernetics as "IT netics", and cybersex as... well, I guess they don't need a word for that.

      Also, they are slavering at the mouth for a chance to play the upcoming game, "Computer punk 2077".

    3. Re:Chock full of Cyber Goodness by llamalad · · Score: 1

      Who peed in your Cheerios this morning?

      No need for name calling, nor the straw man argument where you're attacking a nonsensical blanket statement that I didn't actually make.

      But hey, if it makes you feel better... Happy Tuesday!

    4. Re:Chock full of Cyber Goodness by johannesg · · Score: 1

      "Oh look at me, I'm so great, I know the _proper words_ for things! Unlike those idiot proles! I'm so good!"

      That's you.

  3. Good luck... by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 3

    I tried explaining to my father to 1) not to look at naughty bits, 2) don't use his debit/credit card when prompted by a scary security warning to buy THIS SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW, and 3) don't interrupt the weekly scan from the AV software that I installed. Never works.

    1. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought my grandfather a Chromebook. He can't do shit on there, it's perfect.

    2. Re:Good luck... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Yea but these are the experts teaching him. Not his kid.
      It doesn't matter if you more qualified by a factor of 10 to explain this to him, you are still the kid who had their face covered with Cheerios vs just eating them.

      I have had my data trying to warn me about the dangers of "Big Data" because there was a guy on Fox News talking about it. And he told this to me a day after I was finding statistical trends across a multi-million row data sets. He think I fix computers for a living.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    3. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is Chris? Who are you? Why should we care?

    4. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...a guy on Fox News talking about it.

      And most likely in sentences that include Democrats, Obama and Clinton and how bad they are.

      It's gotten to the point where talking to the 65 and older mostly white crowd is getting impossible. Actually they don't talk: they lecture. I got one the other day on how Trump is setting things straight with NAFTA and how the US isn't going to get ripped off anymore being stuck "in the middle". And all those farmers in the fly-over states are whiny crybabies and after Trump is done, they'll be so much better off.

      I almost induced a stroke in one of them when I said that I support Medicare for all. "It's SOCIALIST like Venezuela!"

      Don't me wrong about my bias. I also get pissed off when I call a very masculine person "sir" and get yelled at because s/he identifies as a woman and I'm using "hate" speech.

    5. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I almost induced a stroke in one of them when I said that I support Medicare for all. "It's SOCIALIST like Venezuela!"

      If you really want to put the fear of God into them, there is a 1950's Supreme Court ruling that declared Social Security as another government program that Congress could cancel and keep the money. "But I PAID into the system!"

    6. Re:Good luck... by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      This seems almost a post that belongs to the next story Where Stuff presented on TV is often considered True by the elderly.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    7. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tfa is about west virginia, though.. the expert is the student's kid.. and the student is the expert's uncle.

    8. Re:Good luck... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Pretty much this, yes. I had a similar discussion with my father recently that ended in "Dad? I'm responsible for the IT-security of a large international corporation, my job literally is to know IT-security. You decide to get your security information from a journalist whose job it is to keep you sitting through the ad block to hear the rest of his drivel. Ponder for a moment who you think knows more about how to secure your damn computer."

      And him storming out with a "I was just saying, jeesh, can't I say anything anymore!"

      It doesn't matter whether your beard starts turning grey, for your dad, you're still the little boy. Forever.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    9. Re:Good luck... by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      Just mod this down, too close to lunch not enough thinking

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    10. Re:Good luck... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      The first point is about as stupid and pointless as abstinence only sex education. People are going to engage in risky forms of behavior no matter what you tell them. Rather than telling them no to do something, it's better to explain that if they choose to engage in those behaviors what they really need to watch out for and when they need to get some outside help. In high school, I had a teacher that told us that while we shouldn't be out drinking, that if anyone of us ever got drunk at a party and needed a ride home, that he would come and get us. No judgement, no lecture, just a ride home and a few students had done so over the years. He knew that he wouldn't be able to stop teenagers from partying, but he might be able to stop a few from driving drunk.

      The second one is really important though and I would add that they should never install any software that those websites tell them that they need. I would imagine that a majority of the people who have their machines infected ran an installer that told them that their flash player was out of date or something along those lines. For the third, I'd probably try to get it to run at times where it's unlikely to be obtrusive so that people don't cancel it. Anytime you've got a plan that counts on generally ignorant people doing the correct thing (which runs counter to their wants) then you're just introducing a major point of failure. In the ideal world, people would just listen and realize that they either need to become more knowledgeable and capable or that they should just do as they're told. But we don't live there and trying to pretend we do is as much folly on our parts as it is on those who ignore our good advice.

    11. Re: Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got my grandmother a box for a Chromebook. Works just fine for her.

    12. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is Chris? Who are you? Why should we care?

      Inquiring minds want to know...

    13. Re:Good luck... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I believe this bit. My mother refused to believe that the guy who was trying to get her money and the guy who offered her free IT services were the same guy. After long explanation I asked "you don't believe me do you", and she said in a quiet voice, "no".

    14. Re:Good luck... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I have been tempted to say that these fake IT scams all come from Hillary, just so my mother would take them more seriously.

    15. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yea but these are the experts teaching him

      You must've missed this part:

      > connect senior citizens with college students for free cybersecurity training

      They're not going to be taught by "experts". Or are you suggesting college students are experts?

    16. Re:Good luck... by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      Now That's a sneaky way of using their conspiracy beliefs against them! :D

    17. Re:Good luck... by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      I think they want to show that they have Some level of knowledge about something that they probably guess we're already Really good at, and they get frustrated when it becomes clear how huge the gap in knowledge is. Perhaps we need an IT version of 'yes and', where we say "yes, that's interesting, and here's something else cool to know and tell your friends" so they know we appreciate their gesture, and we also give them something really accurate they can tell their friends: "Remember what that guy on Fox said? Well my kid told me this thing as well (meaning: aren't they smart, haven't I done well as a parent?)"

    18. Re:Good luck... by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      I forwarded out a warning from the Australian Federal Police's Stay Smart Online service, a teacher printed it out and put it in front of their husband, who was on the phone with a 'Microsoft Gold Partner' who was doing the bloatware/scareware scam thing. They refused to believe it and ended up signing up for some (hopefully just useless) software. Human psychology is a strange thing.

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  5. A general lack of Media Education. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I had one 45 minute class in 6th grade, that stuck with me for about 30 years. It covered how advertising works, and their methods for getting your attention.
    Sure I still fall to the advertisements, but at least my logical mind knows it, and allows me to take a step back and avoid the impulse buy. But that was one a one off class, and I actually paid attention to it.
    Most people will trust or not trust an add just based on where it is shown and how expensive it is to show it.
    A TV Add is the most truthful.
    down to add placed on a Telephone Pole, or lamp post as the most sketchy.

    Computers are expensive, seeing an Add on say Fox New or CNN Web site will seem just as legit as an Add on the TV.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:A general lack of Media Education. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't teach consumer protection or critical thinking in schools. Where would the next generation Republican voters come from?

      And for God's sake, don't mention where the 40-hour work week came from!

  6. Might have some effectiveness ... depends on the person, I suppose.

    A bit like giving self defense classes to the elderly ...

  7. APK should take that training instead of lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alexander Peter Kowalski should take their elderly cyber security security training instead of lying about his security solution.
    Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence.
    How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
    There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
    This also ignores his out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
    The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproven statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. These are also how he will respond to this because he knows he lost. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

    Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case nothing he says should be taken seriously and he should not be responded to.

  8. As to YOUR lies? LOL: #1/4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & 2 questions you won't answer: 1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (the way threats are done most) by blocking them? Yes. 2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways in adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & via hardcoded favorite sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's the only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible configuration GUI form.

    (I also did that latter part LONG before the Chinese & 1st http://theregister.co.uk/2017/... )

    APK

    P.S.-> Have you done work that's that effective doing more for less faster in kernelmode speed (cpu priority) w/ less complexity for exploit + excess overheads vs. solutions KNOWN to be security-issue riddled (like addons (souled-out to NOT work by default OR easily detected & blocked that are BYPASSABLE & EXPLOITABLE), DNS & Antivirus)? No... apk

  9. As to YOUR lies? LOL: #2/4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.comnews/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else. Both Ramu and an anonymous reader have suggested this" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.comarticle/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    Steve Gibson on hosts https://www.grc.comsn/sn-045.htm/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.comcolumnists/491/

    APK

  10. As to YOUR lies? LOL: #3/4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's working: Neville... it's working!" See subject & results from THIS month alone https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... that's only recently while I've been on Linux (few months now only) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: There's BULLSHIT & doing nothing pessimsm & then? There's CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof).

    P.S.=> 3 things show I do it right:

    1st = User praise my hosts engine https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    2nd "ATTACKS" I GET (from UNIDENTIFIABLE ac as Elon Musk got https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... )

    3rd BEING IMITATED = "Imitation = sincerest form of flattery" https://linux.slashdot.org/com... ... apk

  11. As to YOUR lies? LOL: #4/4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware)).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Thor SCHMUCK?

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> TONS of Security experts KNOW blacklists work (no questions asked) & 3 things show I do it right:

    1st = User praise my hosts engine https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... (so much for ME being "detested" but I'm not here to win a popularity contest - just here to WIN so everyone does).

    2nd "ATTACKS" I GET (from UNIDENTIFIABLE ac as Elon Musk got https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... )

    3rd BEING IMITATED = "Imitation = sincerest form of flattery" https://linux.slashdot.org/com... JUST LIKE CHINA DID ME TOO... apk

  12. A good start's right here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Via APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux & BSD h t t p : / / a p k . i t - m a t e . c o . u k / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e F o r L i n u x . z i p

    Yields more security/speed/reliability/anonymity vs. any 1 solution (99% of threats use hostnames vs. IP address most firewalls use) more efficiently/FASTER + NATIVELY 4 less!

    Vs. "Bolt on 'MoAr' illogic-logic" slowing you hosts speed u up 2 ways: Adblocks + Hardcode fav. sites u spend most time @ vs. competition loaded w/ security bugs (DNS/AntiVir) + overheads slowing u (messagepass 'souled-out' to advertisers easily detected & blocked addons + firewall filtering drivers) & their complexity leads to exploitation!

    * ONLY 1 of its kind in GUI 4 Linux/BSD!

    (Better vs. Windows model in speed/efficiency/merge)

    APK

    P.S.=> Protects vs. script trackers/ads/DNS request tracking + redirect poisoned or downed DNS/botnets/malware downloads/malcript/email malicious payloads

  13. Registered /.ers review of the Win64 model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * Linux model = faster/more efficient!!!

    APK

    P.S.=> APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-1 32/64-bit for Windows https://www.google.comsearch?s...

  14. critical thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't teach consumer protection or critical thinking in schools. Where would the next generation Republican voters come from?

    Before you write this off a "libitard" comment, note the Republican Party of Texas wrote into its 2012 platform: "We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills, and similar programs"

    Damn it, this is not "fake news", GO LOOK IT UP - like anti-critical-thinking types would actually fact-check...

    1. Re:critical thinking by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Other then saying "GO LOOK IT UP" could you provide sources which we can fact check and validate?

      If you want higher order thinking skills, we should be given tools to help aid with this. vs. Trusting the first google result from some unknown media outlet.ru

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  15. There's a certain 72 year old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...who badly needs that. He's constantly targeted by FoxNews and wants to do crazy stuff but his cabinet members steal the orders and documents from his desk to protect the country.

    As General Kelly said: ''He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails. We're in Crazytown. I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had,'

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  17. Woot by Eldaar · · Score: 1

    Glad to hear it - some local libraries in my area do offer some basic classes on topics like using Microsoft Office, Windows 10, and similar topics. However, I don't think many/any focus on how to keep your information secure while using the Internet.

    And frankly, even if they do, it's nice to have other organizations (like colleges and universities) offering training so that it's more available and more people will have access to it. While people like Opportunist have noted that their own parents may not listen to them, those same older people might listen to a stranger with a bit more of an open mind.

  18. There are whole channels of YouTube videos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where scammers call people who pretend to be elderly and get "scammed" by scammers. The scammer connects into a virtual machine and does their damage there and wastes anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour and a half of their time. Saw one video recently though where the scammer's network was reverse-infiltrated and destroyed. That crosses a line where that person could be sued by the scammer for illegal network infiltration.