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Uber To Ban Riders With Four-Star or Lower Ratings in Australia and New Zealand (bbc.co.uk)

Uber is to block customers in Australia and New Zealand from its ride service if they have a low passenger rating. Riders rated four-out-of-five stars or lower will be banned for six months. Ratings are based on feedback left by drivers after each journey. BBC: The move is aimed at improving passenger behaviour, the company said. Uber told the BBC that Australia and New Zealand had been identified as a place to bring in the rule after feedback from drivers. The same policy was introduced in Brazil earlier this this year, Uber said, but it's the first time the control has been rolled out in an English-speaking market. An Uber spokeswoman declined to be drawn on exactly how many of its 2.8 million users in Australia and New Zealand currently had ratings of below 4.0 -- but conceded it was only "a few thousand." The "vast majority" -- believed to be more than 90% -- had ratings of at least 4.5, the company said. The policy will kick in on 19 September and passengers will receive several warnings before they are banned.

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  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    now male uber drivers can threaten females with low stars if they won't kiss em.

  2. What could possibly go wrong by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't see how telling everyone this could result in any forms of bad behavior to harm legitimate riders. Not at all.

    Also, how skewed is the rating system if anyone below 4 is considered bad. They need a new system if it's 5 stars or bust.

    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is why we need a contextual ranking system. Instead of giving the driver 1-5 stars, you mark that you prefer them either more or less than the previous driver. Then the software would use the Condorcet method to rank all drivers in order from least to most preferred, and assign each driver a percentile rank from 1% to 99%. This flattens the distribution curve and provides more granularity into how well each driver is liked.

      It's like California's restaurant inspection grading system. Everyone's an "A" so it's tough to compare.

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    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong by sheramil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps there could be a tag system, like for anime porn on Sankakucomplex. This driver has the "Quiet", "Knows_The_City_Well" and "Respects_Other_Drivers" tags, but he also has the "Body_Odor" and "Farts" tags, so, choose carefully.

      Passengers could have similar tags; "Consistently_Drunk", "Will_Not_Shut_Up_About_Rick_And_Morty", "Difficulty_Paying" and "Changes_Destination_More_Than_Three_Times_Per_Trip".

  3. Options by Tablizer · · Score: 3

    Shouldn't that be up to the passenger? Offer a discount for riding with annoying drivers. Just make sure it's not the default.

    1. Re:Options by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      did you even try to read the fucking summary?

      I'm a 3-star reader.

  4. That's certainly innovation. by bistromath007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't think it was possible for them to find a way for internet businesses to double down on how badly they've fucked up the star rating system, but here we are.

    1. Re:That's certainly innovation. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone should point out to them that 'Black Mirror' is a screenplay, not a business plan.

    2. Re:That's certainly innovation. by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is why many sites are eliminating stars or percent or x/10 as a rating, and just giving users a choice of thumbs up or thumbs down. From what I've seen, except for a very few conscientious individuals, most users use 1-star to mean "I don't like it", and a five-star rating is "I like it".

      The five star system is nice so you can read the two and three star ratings - people who ran into issues with a product but didn't hate it. Then you can skip the one stars, from possible cranks or haters, and the glowing five stars which could be written by the manufacturer's family.

  5. Ratings are such a joke these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember when 5 stars meant perfect and 4 stars meant good and 3 meant average and 2 means poor and 1 means unacceptable. Now 4 means poor for some reason? Because everyone on both sides is expected to rate the other side with nothing less than a perfect rating. Policies like this, where getting a 4/5 means kicking you off the service, only give everyone even more incentive to rate people and services with nothing worse than a perfect score. Give them a rating that is even 1 single point less then perfect risks getting them suspended or banned. That's just gross perversion of the whole point of a multi-tiered rating system.

  6. Banning riders for low ratings by oldgraybeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    WOW seems really bad and invasive. Since the Uber CEO just said during a business show interview that Uber is about ending car ownership.
    So you ban riders from using a service. While at the same time saying car ownership needs to be ended.
    Uber is preparing for an IPO, the CEO is talking about new cultural norms, etc etc. Investors will be lining up for us.

    This guy gives me the creeps.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

  7. Rating at my car dealership service by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got guilt-tripped into giving a 5-star rating at my car dealership for some routine service. "If you give any less than 5 stars, or no rating at all, our management considers that a failure."

    Or maybe I was blackmailed. "Give us a 5-star rating if you ever want your vehicle to pass inspection again."

    The stupid part was I was very happy with the service that day... right up until the guilt trip. I gave him the 5 anyhow, its not that poor guy's fault the entire world is fucked.

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    1. Re:Rating at my car dealership service by vux984 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've gotten that line several times now. I see two approaches:

      1) Rate it one star with a comment that:

      I was perfectly happy right up until I had to take this piece-of-shit survey, and was told that not taking it would reflect badly on the employee. I have far more important things to do with my time than spending it rating every last bit of interaction I have with your company. Don't worry, if you fuck up: I'll let you know. Guess what: YOU JUST FUCKED UP. The ball is in your court now, fix it.

      Thanks to rating inflation, one stars are uncommon enough that management DOES actually often look at them. And if some guy or gal gets fired over a 1 star review that says the above, really... in the long run you are doing them a favor -- they deserve a better employer.

      2) Refuse to take the survey, ask to speak to the appropriate management directly, and then explain the above to them, in person.

  8. Re:Say what? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seemed to start with eBay where they gave you three choices, and for some reason you're only allowed to use the "Good" rating when rating anyone, because "Neutral" will cause the ratee to get, uh, irate. So there's no way to distinguish between someone who sold you exactly what they said they'd sell and shipped it on time, and that person who made a special effort to make sure you got what you needed a little more quickly.

    And this has been going on since the late 1990s, so it's not new.

    And it's stupid.

    Oh, did you know that when your cellphone carrier follows up with you after you call them to change your rate plan, to ask how the customer care person was, that if you don't rate them 5/5 for everything there are "consequences"? Like "Too many 4/5s, you're getting canned" type consequences?

    But sure, you're going to rate people honestly now knowing that.

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  9. This will do very little .. I'm a (former) driver by satsuke · · Score: 4, Informative

    This will not dissuade bad passengers very much.

    Presently the driver has to issue a rating immediately at the end of every trip. The passenger has days to do their rating.

    Practically speaking, if the driver leaves a bad rating, the passenger is guaranteed to leave a 1 star .. tit for tat retaliation.

    And yeah, the system is setup where anything less than 5 stars is a bad review for the driver. If his/her rating goes below 4.6, they get kicked off the platform.

  10. Re:No tip, low rating by agm · · Score: 5, Informative

    NZ and Australia are first world countries, we don't tip here.

  11. Black Mirror by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, we don't any form of ranking system which bans people from a service based on a highly subjective rating system otherwise we'll end up in the dystopia portrayed in Black Mirror's Nosedive episode.

  12. Re:Black Mirror by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, we don't any form of ranking system which bans people from a service based on a highly subjective rating system otherwise we'll end up in the dystopia portrayed in Black Mirror's Nosedive episode.

    That's exactly what popped into my mind when I read about this.

    And how can a "5" be great, while a "4" means you can't get a ride? What kind of fucked up scale is that? Why even have numbers below 4? It's turning a rating system into a "pass/fail" test.

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