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Theranos To Close Shop (cbsnews.com)

Major Blud writes: Multiple news outlets are reporting that Theranos, the company that promised to revolutionize healthcare with new blood-testing devices, is closing shop. The company "was unable to sell itself and is now looking to pay unsecured creditors its remaining cash of about $5 million in the upcoming months," reports CBS News. The CEO, Elizabeth Holmes, and President/COO Ramesh Balwani recently settled a civil suit with the SEC, which charged them with massive fraud related to them seeking investment based on misleading information regarding the accuracy of their "Edison" diagnostic equipment. According to The Wall Street Journal, investors lost almost $1 billion in the company. At one point, it was valued at almost $10 billion.

107 comments

  1. Deeply sadenned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wish the investors lost the full $10B...

    1. Re:Deeply sadenned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of that 10 billion "value" was based on estimates of expected future earnings, rather than anything the company had actually produced or funds investors had actually sunk in. We now know those estimates of future earnings had no basis in reality. Thus this "value" could not be "lost" to the investors, as they never actually owned it in the first place. Had the investors sold the company before the shit hit the fan, the investors would have made an enormous real profit, and the buyer would suffer the real loss when the "value" was revealed to be fictitious.

    2. Re: Deeply sadenned... by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      That's what you get with a woman CEO. Lies, exaggerations, getting fat and not doing it after you commit, losing half your income...

      Because male CEOs have, throughout history, NEVER, EVER done such a thing. As, for example, the late Kenneth Lay and the ex-con Jeffrey Skilling prove.

    3. Re:Deeply sadenned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you are "correct". Lots of people "lost" that value when they bought at the inflated price and then it went to $0. Tell someone who lost all their money that the value was not "lost" and I think you will get a little bit of a different "opinion".

  2. Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    She knew she didn't have a viable product, and willingly defrauded investors. Whenever someone on her team approached her with concerns about their approach or strategy, she sidelined or fired them. She was not a leader, she was a charlatan and a crook.

    1. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watch my friends who worked for her go through hell once they figured out the scam and quit. She a vindictive bully who deserves to rot in jail.

    2. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      She knew she didn't have a viable product, and willingly defrauded investors.

      It isn't that simple. The basic idea of using modern tech to lower the price and speed of blood tests was a good one. Her initial intention was almost certainly benign. Then the schedules slipped, and the tech wasn't quite working right. So she fibbed a little to buy some time to fix the kinks ... but the kinks weren't so easy to fix ... so she fibbed a little more, and faked a little more. But more problems came up, the schedule was falling further and further behind, and it became clear that the tech just wasn't working.

      At this point she faced two choices:

      1. Come clean. Admit she committed fraud. Lose everything. Get sued. Give up her life as a billionaire wonder woman, unicorn role model, and business magazine cover-girl.

      2. Double down on the lies.

      What would you do?

    3. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would not be fibbing in the first place.. No official lying when you run a publicly traded company, the SEC calls it fraud when untruths show up in official press releases and required reporting.

      She knew she was lying. Maybe she thought it wouldn't matter if the tech worked, but she knew she was lying. You don't cross that line, ever.

    4. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      No official lying when you run a publicly traded company

      Theranos was not a public company.

      You don't cross that line, ever.

      You are too ethically constrained for the C-suite. I hope you enjoy your life in a cubicle.

    5. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Worse yet, she was a he

      Have you ever heard her speak? That's a man, baby.

      She intentionally masculinized her voice when speaking publicly. There are a few videos on YouTube in which she forgets to keep up the act for a moment, and her natural, higher-pitched voice is momentarily audible. She is a fraud from beginning to end.

    6. Re: Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stop propagating that myth.... it's self fulfilling.

    7. Re: Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BUT WOMEN IN TECH!!!!

    8. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Convert what I could to liquid assets and hop a plane for somewhere without an extradition treaty.

    9. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      She was not a leader, she was a charlatan and a crook.

      Some would say those three are compatible, indeed, synergistic. Her only mistake was not making money.

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    10. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. get on a one way ticket plane to the jungles of central america, never to be found again

    11. Re: Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s not extradition you should worry about. Itâ(TM)s the private thugs those âoeinvestorsâ hire to make sure you do find your way to a country with extradition...or at the very least, are never found again if they arenâ(TM)t really interested in the drama.

    12. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Double down - obviously. Where she messed up was believing her own lies. She should have moving wealth into secret accounts and portable property stored beyond the reach of US law enforcement.

      You plan on serving your time when you get caught and than enjoying easy street when you get out.

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    13. Re: Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      How good of an idea was it? "Make something cheaper and faster." Any idiot can come up with that. It looks like these people knew what they were doing was not possible and continued on with the Ponzi scheme anyhow.

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    14. Re: Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BUT WOMEN IN TECH!!!!

      Martin Shkreli probably didn't make you bitch about men in tech.

    15. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      She should have moving wealth into secret accounts and portable property

      She was a billionaire on paper, but her "wealth" was almost entirely in Theranos stock. Theranos was a private company so the stock was restricted, and she had no way to liquidate.

    16. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What would you do?

      Steal everything not nailed down and flee to Cuba.

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    17. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think she knew that. I think that people like her are so enthralled with money that they become delusional, a useful trait when lying is too easy to detect.

    18. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Theranos was a private company so the stock was restricted, and she had no way to liquidate.

      Well one 'solution' would have been to take some big loans collateralizing them with her Theranos position; or give herself some loans from the company....

      Either way she failed to stash the cash.

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    19. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Well one 'solution' would have been to take some big loans collateralizing them with her Theranos position

      She was almost certainly restricted from doing that by her agreement with the VCs. That is a standard clause of nearly all VC investment contracts.

      Also, a bank would not accept private illiquid securities as collateral.

    20. Re:Elizabeth Holmes should be in prison by phik · · Score: 1

      She's like Lance Armstrong. Except that he was already a superstar athlete before he started building his doping empire. She was just a college kid.

  3. SEC charges are civil, not criminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No wonder nobody goes to jail for this crap.

    1. Re:SEC charges are civil, not criminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SEC charges are upgraded to Federal criminal charges at some point.

    2. Re:SEC charges are civil, not criminal? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      they are not mutually exclusive. The SEC do civil actions, but they pass on information to DOJ/FBI etc for prosecution if those departments deem sufficient evidence exist for a criminal trial.

  4. Good luck with that by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    here in America we don't spill the blood of kings, and she was very well connected with the American equivalent of royalty.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that by tsqr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Elizabeth Holmes and Ramesh Balwani have been indicted for conspiracy to commit wire fraud against investors, conspiracy to commit wire fraud against doctors and patients, plus 9 additional counts of wire fraud. They are both facing serious prison time.

    2. Re:Good luck with that by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but IIRC weren't some of her big investors also of that royal class? Defrauding us peasants is one thing, but she committed the cardinal sin of screwing over the wealthy as well. That'll count for something in the American justice system.

    3. Re:Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So bring back Corruption of Blood, retard.

    4. Re: Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      her dad is a senator, so it'll be easy for her. if it's a white boy, it would've been crucified a long time ago complete with an sjw hashtag

  5. Investors had very little knowledge of technology. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Informative

    The investors in Theranos were an example of people being extremely ignorant of technology. Someone who understood would ask a few questions and immediately determine something was wrong.

    An example of someone who asked a few questions in 2013: Bill Maris: Here's why Google Ventures didn't invest in Theranos (Oct. 20, 2015 article)

    Quote:

    "We looked at it a couple times, but there was so much hand-waving -- like, Look over here! -- that we couldn't figure it out," Maris tells Business Insider. "So, we just had someone from our life-science investment team go into Walgreens and take the test. And it wasn't that difficult for anyone to determine that things may not be what they seem here."

  6. Theranos didnâ(TM)t survived the snap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and turned to dust.

  7. Theranos did not survive the snap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and then turned to dust.

    1. Re:Theranos did not survive the snap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTard ;)

      (turn off "smart punctuation")

    2. Re: Theranos did not survive the snap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Youâ(TM)re an idiot!

  8. Bye by QuadEddie · · Score: 1

    Bye bitch, have fun in your next scam.

  9. She's already been criminally indicted by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Informative

    Her trial is scheduled to start later this year.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1072521/download

  10. Next step by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I heard Elizabeth Holmes will be joining the Tesla board as her next step.

    1. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, WTF?? Are there any dissatisfied Tesla customers? Oh... you've been short-selling... my condolences, you fucking moron.

    2. Re:Next step by DanDD · · Score: 1

      That's an odd thing to say. Are you implying that Tesla cars do not actually provide their intended function? I see a lot of them on the road, and they've all been carrying people and moving rather quickly.

      Or, are you saying their numbers are a charade and they don't really exist as a viable product?

      Here's what I've found:

      As far as U.S. Model S and Model X sales are concerned, Tesla has been able to keep numbers close to flat or even increasing, despite the impact of Model 3 production. The automaker shattered all previous records and also sold more EVs than all other automakers combined by a long shot! Additionally, Tesla’s delivery numbers alone (23,175) surpassed all monthly U.S. EV deliveries from all automakers ever, historically.

      Based on our detailed estimates, Tesla delivered 17,800 Model 3 sedans in August and was still able to surpass last year’s Model S and X deliveries, at 2,625 and 2,750, respectively.

      Or, maybe you meant this as an attack on Elon Musk's character, and that the imminent love child of Holmes & Musk will be the Antichrist.

      The latter is a distinct possibility - I can't wait to see the company logo.

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    3. Re:Next step by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

      Tesla is also a fraud. But at least they aren't performing fake medical tests.

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    4. Re:Next step by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Yes, I am implying all that. Plus I am calling out Musk for being an asshole calling a rescuer a "child rapist". If you have any more questions please let me know.

    5. Re:Next step by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Oh right. I forgot with you guys if you attack your God you are a "short seller". Because it's all about the money.

    6. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO, he can be an asshole once in a while if he gets this kind of stuff accomplished.

      I know plenty of people who are assholes all the time who don't do shit.

      Priorities, my good man.

    7. Re:Next step by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Yup the Tesla equivalent would be finding out that the were secretly selling ICE cars, and plugging in the charger signalled the nearest Tesla employee to sneak up to the cars and refill a hidden gas tank. And that superchargers are simply gas pumps disguised as power.

    8. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't give a fuck about that sleepwalking douche bag. My God wears a blind fold, carries a sword and a set of scales, and you will meet her. Your conflation is not only entirely unfounded and unsupportable, it is nonsensical. If Musk is a conman, why the fuck would Tesla have done what its done? Tesla may never be profitable, but there are results. The speed at which Tesla has worked out what it has in nothing less than amazing. And the product has by all reports satisfied its customers. What is your problem? Envy? You want to be a billionaire? Better start saving your money now, son.

    9. Re:Next step by rl117 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nice try, Elon. The rescuer spent nearly all the time in the caves, actually doing the hard and heroic work of saving all those boys lives. He's a world expert on cave diving with decades of experience. His Thai girlfriend is 40, and there's zero evidence of paedophilia. He called out Elon for what he was doing, interfering with a complex rescue operation with a useless and impractical (at this point) toy, and he got all the boys out. Offending a billionaire is no reason to be baselessly accused of paedophilia. Musk should be utterly ashamed of his terrible conduct.

    10. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There very definitely is an astroturf campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk. Sure, there are genuine critics as well, but it can be pretty hard to differentiate them sometimes. The bad taste it leaves in your mouth lingers.

    11. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh... you've been short-selling... my condolences, you fucking moron.

      Umm ... why? TSLA short sellers are pretty vindicated these days, what with shares at ~$280 and falling. That'd be making a mint since Ellie's lie about "funding secured."

      As the saying goes, where bonds tread stocks follow, and TSLA bonds are really circling the drain ...

    12. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an odd thing to say. Are you implying that Tesla cars do not actually provide their intended function?

      The GP was likely ironic and you're replying with sarcasm, fair enough. However, if Tesla does not stabilize itself in the following year or so (which looks likely to require parachuting Musk off) then there will be a distressingly high change that their cars will indeed not provide the intended function for long. Their proprietary chargers do not help and there's only so much that you can do with house plug charges. And that's not even going into servicing, battery replacements and so on.

    13. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Musk may have exaggerated, but the "rescuer" seemed to do more a hell of a lot more ego-stroking than rescuing

      Quite funny, coming from a guy defending a CEO who is "do more a hell of a lot more ego-stroking than rescuing" his own ship. If Tesla will become a viable company at some point in the future it will be in spite of, not because of Musk and the ego-stroking charade he is engaging in.

    14. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling out Elon for being an ass is fine, but please stop making up shit about Unsworth. He was never a diver. Unsworth is just a cave explorer. The media and anti-Musk attack dogs need to get their facts straight, or they're no better than Musk.

    15. Re: Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!!!!

      You basically said "yea musk lied, but I'm gonna lie some more for Musk.."

    16. Re:Next step by rl117 · · Score: 1

      "Just a cave explorer". Yeah. You do realise that he "explored" this whole cave system for years, by diving through it and mapping it out. He absolutely is a diver, and clearly a good one. Look at all the news reports and videos. He wasn't the best, that's why he called in the divers he knew were the best, and coordinated it all. A team effort to be proud of. Seriously Elon, you need to stop taking so many drugs. Musk's main problem isn't the "attack dogs", but his own stupidity. He's his own worst enemy. Anyone else would have shown some good grace, and congratulated the team for a job well done, and maybe looked at improving his sub design for future uses. He acted like a petulant child, threw out a terrible insult, was forced to apologise, and then repeated it all over again. What a complete tool. None of it was about him, it was about saving lives, and yet he tried to use the whole thing as a publicity stunt. If he'd had his way, they might well have all died.

  11. What about people who got "tested"? by StandardCell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There were a lot of people whose blood work went through this scam and may have had all sorts of false negatives that caused them harm or death.

    While I sympathize with the investors, its the patients that I feel far more sorry for. You can work another day to make another dollar. You can't undo the type of harm that false blood tests can create.

    1. Re:What about people who got "tested"? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      There were a lot of people whose blood work went through this scam and may have had all sorts of false negatives that caused them harm or death.

      Mostly they were doing conventional blood tests, and then passing on the results as if they had done the test themselves. It is not clear if there were any actually falsified results, nor that there were any patients harmed.

      By faking the tests this way, they were losing money on every test, and eventually couldn't hide the loses anymore, so the fraud was exposed. Charles Ponzi ran into the same problem.

    2. Re:What about people who got "tested"? by gnick · · Score: 1

      Charles Ponzi ran into the same problem.

      Sarah Howe had the same idea more than 40 years before Chuck Ponzi. Women innovators! Solidarity sister!

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  12. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by N7DR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The investors in Theranos were an example of people being extremely ignorant of technology.

    I am too-often amazed at how so many VC firms don't really seem to understand the technologies at which they are throwing money.

    One case in point (there are plenty of others I know of): a few years ago I watched a presentation of a cybersecurity company that had received a $40m investment from a VC firm. I happened to make a comment to a colleague after the presentation to the effect that the product was snake oil (which was the conclusion he had reached as well), and was immediately asked what I meant by someone who was listening... who was from the VC firm that had made the investment. A couple of weeks later, the VC firm flew me to talk to the company executives in their presence. The company shut down the next day. So the VC firm saved themselves from throwing away more money, but I never understood why they had given $40m to the company without bothering to get any independent input about the technology. It was hard to escape the conclusion that "cyber", "security" and a lot of waffling and some pretty slides were more important than getting answers to hard questions.

  13. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by gweihir · · Score: 2

    It was basically clear to me when the media heralded her as the the superior female mind the world had obviously waiting for, when her actual education and work history showed that she was way lacking in experience and education to get a complicated real-world product done.

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  14. Good Riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And about time.

  15. VCs are apparently frequently foolish. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Interesting story!!! A quote: "I never understood why they had given $40m to the company without bothering to get any independent input about the technology."

    From reading about investing, I get the impression that kind of foolishness happens frequently.

    1. Re:VCs are apparently frequently foolish. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, to a VC $40m is not a lot of money.

      captcha: retail

  16. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Kiuas · · Score: 1

    I never understood why they had given $40m to the company without bothering to get any independent input about the technology. It was hard to escape the conclusion that "cyber", "security" and a lot of waffling and some pretty slides were more important than getting answers to hard questions.

    This is indeed a good question. I think it may have to do with a sense of urgency. That is (some) VC firms may think they have to make decisions fast or they might lose a good investment to someone else, so they don't do their homework and essentially just gamble in hopes of a big win.

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  17. So long and thanks for all the fish... by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    ...y business. That is all.

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  18. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A friend of mine has nearly three decades experience in this space and he said his company looked at investing in Theranos. Company policy absolutely disallowed writing big checks without seeing peer reviewed journal articles and/or data in lab notebooks. They were told: no way -- our data is awesome and too secret to show. So the conversation was over.

    He found it very "interesting" to see which companies failed to follow reasonable and common best practices for the industry.

  19. Now indicted on fraud charges. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    That was my impression, also.

    Elizabeth Holmes, founder and CEO of Theranos, seemed only to try to get people to like her. She seemed more like a young girl than anyone who could operate a business.

    People who have technical knowledge create cultural differences in themselves that are often easy to detect socially. Holmes gave no impression of having technical knowledge, or of even being the kind of person who likes technical knowledge.

    Theranos Founder Elizabeth Holmes Indicted on Fraud Charges (June 15, 2018)

    1. Re:Now indicted on fraud charges. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Good point about the personality differences. They might not be visible, but talk to a person for a few minutes and you will know, at least when you are into technology and science yourself.

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    2. Re: Now indicted on fraud charges. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      "He's fairly intelligent... Ah! He's full of shit!" -George Carlin

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  20. Why is Elizabeth Holmes not in prison? by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    She should be. A total fraud. Too rich to jail?

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    1. Re:Why is Elizabeth Holmes not in prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember John Holmes, aka Johnny Wad and his 13 inch pianist?

    2. Re:Why is Elizabeth Holmes not in prison? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      She should be. A total fraud. Too rich to jail?

      I believe it is customary to have something called "a trial" first.

      No doubt the slashdot preference would be for a good old-fashioned 'trial by water' i.e. chucking her in a pond tied to a chair.

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  21. Black turtlenecks at half mast by mkwan · · Score: 1

    But they'll be back in fashion in a year or two.

  22. Re:Deeply denied by Huckabees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have been hearing these reports of Trump's imminent demise daily for 3 years now...

  23. She'll only go to jail... by spagthorpe · · Score: 2

    if rich investors lost money. If it was your everyday peon investor, nothing will happen to her. Rich people only go to jail if they rip off other rich people.

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  24. villainess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    she can still have a career playing a villainess on lifetime and hallmark channel movies.

  25. Dyslexia strikes again... by Alypius · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who initially read that as "Thanos"?

    1. Re:Dyslexia strikes again... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Or "Thanatos", perhaps?

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    2. Re:Dyslexia strikes again... by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 1

      I didn't read that as "Thanos" but immediately associated this to the villain.

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    3. Re:Dyslexia strikes again... by DanDD · · Score: 1

      Yeah, had me perplexed at first, because Thanos did nothing wrong".

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    4. Re:Dyslexia strikes again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who initially read that as "Thanos"?

      Aw, snap, twice!

  26. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    I am too-often amazed at how so many VC firms don't really seem to understand the technologies at which they are throwing money.

    They understand money.

    The techies are (allegedly) doing cutting-edge tech, so it's not unreasonable for them to claim that only a handful of people, including them but not including the VCs, understand this hot new tech thing.

    If a non-specialist DID understand it, so many specialists in the field would also understand it that, if it had suddenly become practical, it would be a many-horse race for the window that no more than three can get through before it closes. The VCs want to be in a one-horse or only-a-couple-horses race, so they have a good chance of getting a profit on their investment.

    Or at least that's what the techies want the VCs to think. B-)

    A couple of weeks later, the VC firm flew me to talk to the company executives in their presence. The company shut down the next day.

    So how much did they pay you for the consult that let them salvage some of their $40M from the wreckage rather than throw more millions at it?

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  27. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Not just mom-and-pop investors. Walgreen's got royally screwed too. Now there, you'd think, they'd have some experts check this thing out thoroughly. Unbelievable that they got taken.

  28. solution: murder them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just kill that dumb wannabe jobs slut, and torture and kill the subhuman indian

  29. Re:Well Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yea, fuck the bitch.
    in your strive to make women great, you have bent them al over.
    down in history as a dumb bitch.

  30. Misread this as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanatos to close shop. Which would have been good news.

  31. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author of Bad Blood specifically brought up the FOMO aspect (fear of missing out) in regards to Theranos investors.

  32. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it's because VC firms are stupid. They have money, check, but they are not smart. Stop equating wealth, or access to other people's wealth, with intelligence.

  33. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am too-often amazed at how so many VC firms don't really seem to understand the technologies at which they are throwing money.

    VC funding is a high-risk high-reward strategy. Many (relatively) small losses are more than compensated by a few really big wins. However, in order for the wins to be big you need to be at the very cutting edge, hence the (normal) risk factor. An additional risk factor then is that some of the investments are not really cutting edge, but snake oil, as was your story. That is also inevitable. You would notice though that while the initial round of funding might be sometimes lax in its technical validations, these increase abruptly for additional rounds of funding. Well, except when you're doing a Theranos and populating your Board with the "right" people.

  34. Re:Well Hmmm by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    Always good to hear the feminist take on things.

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  35. Good for Them, Going Under Like That by BrendaEM · · Score: 0

    This should send a message to others who try to contrive medical processes and devices that don't work.

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  36. Due diligence? by jcr · · Score: 1

    Any chance of Sand Hill Road learning their lesson from this?

    -jcr

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  37. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    The investors in Theranos were an example of people being extremely ignorant of technology. Someone who understood would ask a few questions and immediately determine something was wrong.

    An example of someone who asked a few questions in 2013: Bill Maris: Here's why Google Ventures didn't invest in Theranos (Oct. 20, 2015 article)

    Quote:

    "We looked at it a couple times, but there was so much hand-waving -- like, Look over here! -- that we couldn't figure it out," Maris tells Business Insider. "So, we just had someone from our life-science investment team go into Walgreens and take the test. And it wasn't that difficult for anyone to determine that things may not be what they seem here."

    No kidding. The real question was why anybody let it get as far as it did.

    The answer is not one anybody that wants to hear. She was a young, pretty woman. She was perfect for magazine covers, men turned off their brains, and ... yes, she was a woman CEO! And a "woman in tech"! How many more boxes could she possibly check?

    She couldn't possibly have had the deck stacked any more for her. The only thing she lacked was a working product ...

  38. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    I am too-often amazed at how so many VC firms don't really seem to understand the technologies at which they are throwing money.

    I sure like to know how people able to get others to give them millions while I struggle to get purchase approvals for items in $100 to $1000 range. I have heard VCs will nitpick planning proposal documents to the T, but some simply write a check for $40M after a single presentation. I gotta be missing something or perhaps the worst creator of PPTs.

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  39. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by k6mfw · · Score: 1
    Arrg! I meant to post as

    I am too-often amazed at how so many VC firms don't really seem to understand the technologies at which they are throwing money.

    I sure like to know how people able to get others to give them millions while I struggle to get purchase approvals for items in $100 to $1000 range. I have heard VCs will nitpick planning proposal documents to the T, but some simply write a check for $40M after a single presentation. I gotta be missing something or perhaps the worst creator of PPTs.

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  40. Valuable insights. More ideas. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Those are valuable insights.

    Here area more ideas:

    1) Possibly Elizabeth Holmes didn't know what she said was not the truth. Why is that a reasonable theory? Because she obviously is the kind of person with no knowledge of technology and no interest in technology.

    2) Apparently she was not actually the CEO, but merely pretending. From the Wikipedia article about Theranos management:

    "Holmes' then-boyfriend Sunny Balwani, a software engineer 18 years her senior whom Holmes had met during high school, joined the company as its president and chief operating officer in 2009."

    I'm guessing he was the actual top manager of Theranos, at least when it began to be taken seriously. They had started going together when she was a teenager, the article implies.

  41. Re:Investors had very little knowledge of technolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I gotta be missing something or perhaps the worst creator of PPTs.

    Perhaps consider improving your skills associated with writing in English, as well as your attention to basic details.