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Google's Location Privacy Practices Are Under Investigation in Arizona: Report (washingtonpost.com)

Google's alleged practice of recording location data about Android device owners even when they believe they have opted out of such tracking, reports The Washington Post, has sparked an investigation in Arizona, where the state's attorney general could potentially levy a hefty fine against the search giant. From the report: The probe, initiated by Republican Attorney General Mark Brnovich and confirmed by a person familiar with his thinking but not authorized to speak on the record, could put pressure on other states and the federal government to follow suit, consumer advocates say -- though Google previously insisted it did not deceive consumers about the way it collects and taps data on their whereabouts. The attorney general signaled his interest in the matter in a public filing [PDF] that indicated the office had retained an outside law firm to assist in an investigation. The document, dated August 21, said the hired lawyers would help probe an unnamed tech company and its "storage of consumer location data, tracking of consumer location, and other consumer tracking through ... smartphone operating systems, even when consumers turn off 'location services' and take other steps to stop such tracking," according to the heavily redacted public notice.

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  1. Google turns evil by byteherder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, Google starts making a search engine for the Chinese government that censors data. Next, they buy your credit card data from Mastercard. Now, they are spying on your location even after you turn location services off.

    Google used to have an ethical code that made people believe that they were not some evil Silicon Valley company. I guess that is gone now.

    1. Re:Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google never had such an ethical code, it was only ever some quip from one of the founders, and only literal retards believe in corporate "good guys".

    2. Re:Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next, they buy your credit card data from Mastercard.

      Wow! Good thing I use Visa!

    3. Re:Google turns evil by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They quietly removed "Don't be evil" from their code of conduct some time around May of this year.

      So yes, now they're just another bunch of corporate scumbags who desperately need to be regulated.

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    4. Re:Google turns evil by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It looks like a bunch of weird nomenclature stuff.

      If you turn Location History on, your phone tracks your every movement. Everywhere you go, they tell Google.

      If you turn Location History off, your phone tracks nothing. Put it in your pocket, wander around, nothing gets logged.

      If you turn Location History off and open Google Maps at some point, Google Maps gets your location and stores it in your Location History or something akin to that. They're not tracking your every movement, but they do make note whenever you volunteer your location in some manner.

      It seems reasonable until somebody who never thought about it much uses it; then it seems unexpected and confusing. This is why we have user testing.

    5. Re: Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      i just read 1984 after much procrastination and is quite nuts the similarities in todayâ(TM)s world.

    6. Re:Google turns evil by byteherder · · Score: 1

      But if I have Location History turn off and then I use Google Maps or any mapping function, why would Google need to store that information for longer than it is needed. Shouldn't the information be erased when I close Google Maps?

    7. Re:Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if I have Location History turn off and then I use Google Maps or any mapping function, why would Google need to store that information for longer than it is needed

      For all of that tasty analytics data, of course. You know, the actual product they make money from.

      Shouldn't the information be erased when I close Google Maps?

      See above.

      Google is a data harvester ... apparently, doing location tracking when you've turned off location tracking is a necessary step for that.

      Me, I hope Google gets ripped a new one, because they've been lying about what they collect, and ignoring the setting which says don't collect it.

    8. Re:Google turns evil by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Yes.

      The problem is the engineer said, "The phone has a GPS and Wifi and figures out where it is all the time; so we'll store that, unless you stop tracking location!" Then, when you open maps, the engineer said, "Ah, you've actually asked us to get your location, so we'll store that."

      Everyone else said, "When you turn location history off, the phone stops recording location history." They don't imagine that the phone just doesn't tell Google their location anymore, or that asking their phone to tell Google their location (by opening Google maps) would involve telling Google their location and Google subsequently storing it.

      Imagine if disabling location tracking actually left it on, and kept sending your location to Google every 5 seconds, except Google's servers didn't store it anywhere. This is the opposite: disabling location tracking stops telling Google where you are--and when you do tell Google where you are, they store that.

      It's obviously-broken to us, but seems reasonable to the engineers who came up with it.

    9. Re:Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the standard now? Seems reasonable for an engineer to have come up with? Because then I'd like to relitigate a bunch of past issues. Let's start with- Microsoft tied IE into Windows? That bothers me, but pretty reasonable the engineer found that to be simpler than build some middleware that Netscape can plug in to.

    10. Re:Google turns evil by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Google was evil from its start. If you use any of their services, you have to understand that they will do anything to collect any information about you. They'll lie if necessary.

    11. Re: Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i just read 1984 after much procrastination and is quite nuts the similarities in todayâ(TM)s world.

      Totally. I even rent a pied-a-terre in some of the town's proles slums for moments of privacy with my Anti-sex League lover.

    12. Re:Google turns evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is evil all the way: they complied with a request from the Russian government to remove YouTube videos from a Russian opposition leader about boycotting the Moscow mayor "elections".

  2. Going to ignore Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple got caught doing the same damned thing several years ago. They stored a log of every tower and every GPS lock the phone had ever seen, which was then sent to Apple for processing. For some reason, no one cared when Apple did this.

    But Google does it and it's now suddenly worthy of investigation?

  3. And Google knows... by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

    the exact location in Arizona where it is under investigation.

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    1. Re:And Google knows... by sinij · · Score: 1

      Additionally, if found guilty, the verdict won't be searchable from Google, so nobody would know about it.

    2. Re: And Google knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      google lawyers are asking prosecutors if they can just meet in the middle

  4. Re:haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have a big donger. let's make some gay babies

  5. Bullshit source confirming it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    confirmed by a person familiar with his thinking

    It might as well be made up.

  6. So people turned off the wrong thing and are upset by FeelGood314 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People turned off having one app store and record their location, mistakenly thought they weren't being tracked and are now upset? They didn't notice that google maps still worked, that their uber driver still came to get them, that they still got asked to review stores they were in, etc. The app in question didn't even say it turned off tracking.

    Maybe google should create an app to turn off tracking but it means turning off your cell phone, GPS and wi-fi. I know many people who might die of facebook/twitter withdrawal if they ever used such an app.

  7. Retaliation for banning Jones? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It's sure what it looks like. The Az attorney general isn't exactly known for NY style offensives against anti consumer practices and the timing is suspect. Plus there's been a lot of chatter on right wing media about doing "something" about the ban. Heck a it's been kind of funny to watch the party of small government taking about regulating private entities to prevent the bans...

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    1. Re:Retaliation for banning Jones? by youngone · · Score: 1
      The bit that caught my attention was:

      ...initiated by Republican Attorney General Mark Brnovich...

      which may tie in with what you've posted.
      It is an odd way to run a country, where instead of rule of law, you have public servants making decisions based on which political party they belong to. And you only have two parties.
      Seems a bit weird.

    2. Re:Retaliation for banning Jones? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      You see, when the media identifies a politician or public servant (not equivalent) by their political affiliation, we are being steered towards evaluating their actions, especially the ones being reported on, ans motivated by political affiliation.

      Sometimes the media fails to identify a politician or public servant by political affiliation. I wonder why?

      And so, for those of you interested in truth and journalism, this is an example of paying attention, considering the source, and evaluating a report based on its content. Recognizing that the reporter made a point of identifying political party affiliation is important. I'll leave it to you to determine if it is for you, and if so, why.

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  8. Re:So people turned off the wrong thing and are up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opt-in should be the rule, it should be VERY clear what you're opting into, and screw Google for being sneaky.

  9. Fines don't accomplish anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are corporations going to be held accountable like the "people" they fictionally are? As in, suspend their stock trading for a week (a month?) as a penalty for corporate misbehavior. When something like that is done, and the stockholders feel pain, then the corporation will be held accountable.

    For real corporate malfeasance (Experian?), pull their business license, and don't let them get it back until they have an approved plan to prevent the problem in the future. Again, if the stockholders feel the pain, then the corporation will be held accountable, or in this case, disappear.

  10. Re:So people turned off the wrong thing and are up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't notice that google maps still worked, that their uber driver still came to get them, that they still got asked to review stores they were in, etc

    Jesus Fucking Christ, and this is why I don't carry a smart phone around with me. I have no intention of letting Google know I was in a store or not.

    My personal Android phone is ancient, with no data plan, is never connected to wifi ... good luck getting location data out of that.

    My work iPhone has the location services disabled.

    One thing I've never been clear on ... is this location tracking happening if you turn location services off entirely? Or if you have location services on but location history off?

    Because if there is an option to completely turn off location services, and Google is still collecting that, then I sincerely hope they get slammed for this shit.

  11. Re:So people turned off the wrong thing and are up by BitterOak · · Score: 1

    My personal Android phone is ancient, with no data plan, is never connected to wifi ... good luck getting location data out of that.

    The location data comes from the phone's GPS unit, not the wifi or data.

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  12. Re:So people turned off the wrong thing and are up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think his point is that while the phone may know where he is if the phone can't connect to the outside world it won't be telling Google where he is.