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The Explosive Problem With Recycling Phones, Tablets and Other Gadgets: They Literally Catch Fire. (washingtonpost.com)

What happens to gadgets when you're done with them? Too often, they explode. From a report: Around the world, garbage trucks and recycling centers are going up in flames. The root of the problem: volatile lithium-ion batteries sealed inside our favorite electronics from Apple, Samsung, Microsoft and more. They're not only dangerous but also difficult to take apart -- making e-waste less profitable, and contributing to a growing recycling crisis. These days, rechargeable lithium-ion batteries are in smartphones, tablets, laptops, ear buds, toys, power tools, scooters, hoverboards and e-cigarettes. For all their benefits at making our devices slim, powerful and easy to recharge, lithium-ion batteries have some big costs. They contain Cobalt, often mined in inhumane circumstances in places like the Congo. And when crushed, punctured, ripped or dropped, lithium-ion batteries can produce what the industry euphemistically calls a "thermal event." It happens because these batteries short circuit when the super-thin separator between their positive and negative parts gets breached.

Old devices end up in trouble when we throw them in the trash, stick them in the recycling bin, or even responsibly bring them to an e-waste center. There isn't official data on these fires, but the anecdotal evidence is stark. Since the spring of 2018 alone, batteries have been suspected as the cause of recycling fires in New York, Arizona, Florida, Wisconsin, Indiana, Idaho, Scotland, Australia and New Zealand. In California, a recent survey of waste management facilities found 83 percent had at least one fire over the last two years, of which 40 percent were caused by lithium-ion batteries.

66 comments

  1. Removable batteries. by nbritton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This problem is easy to solve, make a law that requires all batteries to be removable.

    1. Re:Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And replaceable - since one of the the major causes for device replacement today is that the battery is dead.

    2. Re: Removable batteries. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      Please also mandate/fund muncipal battery disposal drives; otherwise people will just take out the battery and toss separately.

    3. Re: Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again the free market not thinking about the environment.

    4. Re:Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While certainly an improvement, and a law that should really have been there 20 years ago, it still leaves us with the difficult to recycle batteries themselves.

    5. Re: Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, uninformed liberals thinking it's a free-market problem.

    6. Re:Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also: make disposing of the batteries/electronics stupid easy. Disposing of e-waste is a goddamned hassle. I don't want to WAIT IN LINE FOR A HALF HOUR to throw away an old laptop or monitor, etc.

    7. Re:Removable batteries. by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      The law does nothing to address that people who aren't responsible enough to recycle their gadgets in the first place aren't going to be responsible enough to pull the battery before they ditch them or that they won't throw out batteries themselves when they age but the device is otherwise fine.

      The law would likely take several years before going into effect, which does nothing to help solve the problem in the intermediary period or for the large volume of existing gadgets.

      The law does nothing to solve the issue that it's often difficult to recycle any of these gadgets or components at all and that even if you can pay a Chinese company to take them for recycling, it may not actually be economically viable for them to recycle the gadget or battery and they're really just dumping it all somewhere else.

      This problem is hard to solve. Maybe we should make a law against people proposing making simplistic laws to solve complex problems. Of course we all know how well that would work out.

    8. Re:Removable batteries. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      This problem is easy to solve, make a law that requires all batteries to be removable.

      That solves a lot of problems, actually. Maybe some politician will grab this issue and do the right thing... hahaha, who am I kidding?

    9. Re: Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously it's a free market problem, Trumptard. We don't have planned economics, because if we did it would make central economic sense to recover all the batteries and not shit pollution all over the place.

    10. Re:Removable batteries. by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      The law does nothing to address that people who aren't responsible enough to recycle their gadgets in the first place aren't going to be responsible enough to pull the battery before they ditch them or that they won't throw out batteries themselves when they age but the device is otherwise fine.

      No, but it does mean that the people working at recycling centers can pull out the batteries for specialized handling.

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    11. Re:Removable batteries. by Big+Boss · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's not perfect, but nothing is. However, making the batteries easy to remove means they are more likely to be isolated from the rest of the material and can even be stored in fire-resistant containers for recycling etc..

      It would also be nice to require that devices manufacturers no longer want to support are required to be provided with code and unlock keys so they can be re-used by makers etc.. Lots of old phones and such would be great for projects, but we can't use them because they are so locked down and/or have non-replaceable batteries. At the very least, it keeps them out of the waste stream that much longer.

      Long term we need to figure out a way to make recycling them more workable. I have yet to see a good option for that though.

    12. Re:Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical libtard. If we simply let the free market work eventually it will probably solve this problem, probably before too many people die.

    13. Re:Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 funny.

    14. Re:Removable batteries. by blindseer · · Score: 2

      This problem is easy to solve, make a law that requires all batteries to be removable.

      Here's a few questions. Are we going to require the manufacturer to create replacement batteries? How do you enforce that? We can make them removable, now define "removable". The iPad battery in the article was removable, you just need a heating pad, screwdriver, a plastic pry bar, and about an hour.

      Define the "battery". If you define it too broadly then the manufacturers can just define the device as the battery. Define it too tightly and each individual cell is a battery, and removing them means the cells spilling out and near impossible to replace. Removing them could be also made more difficult. I'm not sure how in this case but I'm guessing manufacturers would find a way if only out of spite.

      As an example on the difficulty of this just look at assault weapons bans around the world. What does an AR-15 have to do with an iPad? The definition of a "removable magazine". First you have to define what a magazine is and is not. Then you have to define "removable". In this case the desire was to make the magazine NOT removable. So they said that a non-removable magazine meant it requires the use of a "tool" to remove. Okay, now you have to define a "tool". From this came the "bullet button". I could go on but this is something still being fought back and forth between the law and the manufacturers.

      Here's the point. You can pass a law, and the manufacturers that don't like the law will follow the letter of the law, but still defeat the intent. Apple is one example in consumer electronics with the intent to keep some kind of standard on cell phone chargers. Apple has put a USB port on their chargers, but their phones have something not USB. Many people find this a problem because it still means having to buy an Apple certified cable. Others find this perfectly acceptable as it means the phone comes with a very much bog standard USB power brick that might be 5 watts, 12 watts, or whatever. Other manufacturers interpret this differently with ports on the device that at least looks like a USB port, and a wall wart power brick with a connector on the cable that looks like USB, but they violate the spec in potentially dangerous ways.

      You want a law? Okay, you write one. Go post it somewhere for review, and I can expect in no time you'll find a dozen people find 20 ways the law will not meet the intended goal. You get a company with potentially billions of dollars at stake and they will find many more ways to get around the law.

      You will need more than a law. You'll need to convince the people that make this stuff to get on board. Good luck with that.

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    15. Re:Removable batteries. by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      You're right about irresponsible people. But they might not be the majority. Even if they are, that may not remain true over time.

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    16. Re:Removable batteries. by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      No one is going to pay people to do this job. The recycling process itself is expensive (and the materials recovered limited) and adding a person making even minimum wage to the mix makes it prohibitively so. Even the Chinese have started dumping e-waste since labor has become too expensive.

      I kind of recall Apple showing off a robot that could disassemble their iPhones a few years ago. I don't know if anything ever came of that, but that's essentially what you need if you want to have any hope of recycling gadgets to be economically viable.

    17. Re:Removable batteries. by mccrew · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should make a law against people proposing making simplistic laws to solve complex problems.

      Yes, we should not attempt to do anything better unless it can be absolutely perfect.

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    18. Re:Removable batteries. by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      The recycling process itself is expensive (and the materials recovered limited) and adding a person making even minimum wage to the mix makes it prohibitively so.

      It is somewhat surprising that it is cheaper to dig deep into the ground, retrieve ore and extract minerals from said ore than it is to extract the minerals from a finished product. Worse, the price of recycling is placed on all of us through general taxation rather than requiring the producer to recycle the materials going into their products. That would add to the price of the product, making the consumer of the product being the one paying for it.

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    19. Re:Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So create a crv type system for rechargeable batteries. Make the price high enough to incentivize your average Joe Meth head to scavenge for batteries himself. When the batteries catch on fire Joe will sue the responsible parties for cash.

    20. Re:Removable batteries. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Even the Chinese have started dumping e-waste since labor has become too expensive.

      Seems like a good job for Africans or Haitians, at least until we get better robots.

      Basic wages in Haiti are a tenth of China's.

    21. Re: Removable batteries. by tomtomtom · · Score: 1

      At least in the UK, we already have this part. There are recycling bins where I can take smaller batteries in my local supermarket and at work (and in many other places), and larger batteries (eg car batteries) can be taken to the local dump.

    22. Re:Removable batteries. by tomtomtom · · Score: 1

      It's really not that difficult. You just say it must be possible to remove the battery without use of any tools or significant effort, by an average person (not a specialist), in less than [x] seconds. Then you delegate responsibility for signing off on whether its complied with to the exact same bodies who already are responsible for product certification - the infrastructure for product certification is already there, so it's just adding another rule to be complied with before the product gets certified. You give manufacturers enough notice (probably 2-3 years) to enable them to build it into their next product cycle and allow old devices to be grandfathered in but that's a short term issue. If the regulation is targeted, no manufacturer who cares about their reputation will dare oppose it given the obvious reasons for it and limited cost.

      Yes, you'll never get absolutely everyone and the enforcement effort to get every last manufacturer and stop every last non-compliant import is not worth it - but if even 50% of the market complies, that's still a huge improvement on today's situation. In reality I think you'd get more like 90% of the market fairly easily.

    23. Re:Removable batteries. by blindseer · · Score: 1

      It's really not that difficult. You just say it must be possible to remove the battery without use of any tools or significant effort, by an average person (not a specialist), in less than [x] seconds.

      If the regulation is targeted, no manufacturer who cares about their reputation will dare oppose it given the obvious reasons for it and limited cost.

      Except a manufacturer that brings up the theft risks of being able to remove a battery from a phone in seconds by an unskilled person without the need for tools. A phone can be tracked, locked, or whatever, a battery removed from the phone cannot. A battery removed from the phone has value, it can be sold as a replacement battery, if damaged or aged the it still has scrap material value, or valuable as a potential weapon if shorted out to make it burn or explode.

      Yes, you'll never get absolutely everyone and the enforcement effort to get every last manufacturer and stop every last non-compliant import is not worth it - but if even 50% of the market complies, that's still a huge improvement on today's situation.

      What improvement? These batteries have been shown to start sending out sparks and hot gasses if punctured or crushed. I'd much rather they be kept in a case made of aluminum and Gorilla Glass. That would keep criminals and pranksters from turning cellphones into fire hazards.

      Oh, you want to require that the removed battery have a durable outer casing? What do you think that phone or tablet is? You want a durable outer casing that's separate from the phone? Now the phone just got twice as thick, half the battery life, and another 50% on the cost.

      No thanks, I'll leave the battery removal to the professionals.

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    24. Re:Removable batteries. by careysub · · Score: 1

      The market, in its majestic wisdom, will (by definition) fix the problem when just the right number of people die!

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    25. Re: Removable batteries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you have a limited imagination and a lot of fear, don't you?

  2. So what you're saying is.... by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2

    ...who needs WMDs to take down a plane?
    ALl you need is a bunch of old tech stacked together with a bad battery...and stand back? /h or /s, pick one

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    1. Re:So what you're saying is.... by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly. This is why airport security has been desperately trying to come up with a strategy for handling these ubiquitous items. FAA says they are not allowed in checked luggage at all in the USA. And they limit how big the batteries can be and how many an individual can carry. There have been security problems with them since at least the Galaxy smartphones started shorting out. It's a real problem... I've seen several FAA proposals to ban all items that have these batteries. That (obviously) meets a lot of pushback, but the folks worried about air security worry about these a lot.

  3. Huh? by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How would this really solve the problem? I saw people throwing old batteries in the trash on the regular, for as long as I can remember.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the reasons that the batteries are more prone to catching fire is that they're designed to fit into slim cases with no means of user removal (beyond breaking adhesive seals with razors and de-soldering). Batteries designed to be user-removable are generally more rugged and less prone to catching fire. Sure, people will still throw away batteries, but it at least reduces the risk that recycling centers receiving the materials that are recycled will go up in flames.

    2. Re:Huh? by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How would this really solve the problem? I saw people throwing old batteries in the trash on the regular, for as long as I can remember.

      Require deposits on the batteries, that you get back when you turn them in to a recycler. $5-$10 per battery would go a long way to ensuring they were recycled without being overly burdensome on the consumer.

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    3. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will get you down to some 5-10% remaining, not good enough to prevent explosions. What we need is more like a $50 deposit on the entire laptop/cell being fully, actually, completely recycled and not dumped in African rivers.

    4. Re:Huh? by saltydogdesign · · Score: 1

      It doesn't solve the problem of people doing stupid things with batteries, but it definitely makes recycling device materials easier. It would also likely have a positive effect on how long people used their devices.

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    5. Re:Huh? by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      I saw people throwing old batteries in the trash on the regular, for as long as I can remember.

      Because those old batteries were zinc and manganese oxide, neither of which is particularly valuable, and the electrolyte was potassium hydroxide, which is neither particularly valuable nor particularly flammable.

      You could get some modest heat out of a semi-discharged 9V battery or, given enough time, some mild, acid-base reactions, but there's no high redox potential, flammable electrolyte glory to get a real bonfire going.

      Same thing with lead acid batteries, except for the nastiness of dissolved lead contaminating groundwater and strong acids that will burn flesh.

      NiCad are similar to the lead acid batteries. Heavy metal contamination problem, but no substantial ability to go up in a pyre.

    6. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waste Management charge to collect batteries. it should be free. idiots.

    7. Re:Huh? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      $5-$10 per battery would go a long way to ensuring they were recycled without being overly burdensome on the consumer.

      $5-10 per battery would be helpful and reasonable, but what of cells? I've got a flashlight that runs on 1x18650, what should I pay when I buy one of those cells?

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    8. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It would also likely have a positive effect on how long people used their devices."

      Longevity is why devices are made this way. It doesn't benefit the corporation financially to make something that is easily repaired.

    9. Re:Huh? by AlanBDee · · Score: 1

      It's totally fine to throw away most Alkaline batteries: https://qz.com/331854/fyi-its-...

      Most rechargeable batteries do need to be recycled properly. You are correct that a lot of people who don't care will still throw away their old phones with the battery still attached.

    10. Re:Huh? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      $5-$10 per battery would go a long way to ensuring they were recycled without being overly burdensome on the consumer.

      $5-10 per battery would be helpful and reasonable, but what of cells? I've got a flashlight that runs on 1x18650, what should I pay when I buy one of those cells?

      Same. It's a deposit. You get it back when you recycle the cell eventually. Ditto for the bombs...er...batteries in ecigs. Most people aren't running around with a ton of those types of cells so it's still not a burden. Of course there the challenge is dealing with all of them coming in direct to consumers from China.

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  4. Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are all "thermal events" fires? I've dealt with overheating lithium-ion batteries, but outside of incredibly serious mishandling they aren't very wont to catch fire. "Thermal event" puts me in mind of Walmart calling spilled milk a "biohazard incident".

    1. Re: Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well literally it says "literally" so it must be true, literally, the battery's tiny little literal electron hands literally reach out and literally catch the literal fire, literally.

    2. Re: Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually that's pretty cute

  5. Cell Phone Recycling Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A warehouse a couple of miles away from my house caught fire a few years ago. It was a cell phone recycling center, where they pull cell phones apart and send out the components to other companies to recycle (plastic, glass, metal, batteries, etc...)

    It caught fire late one night. It took 8 trucks from five different cities to contain it. They didn't bother trying to put it out, they just kept water on it to prevent it from spreading to other buildings. After about five hours the fire ran out of fuel and died out. The warehouse was completely gone. All that was left was a square pool of metal. The heat was so intense it melted the asphalt of the parking lot. I heard you could see where some of the firefighters were standing as it flowed around their boots.

  6. Re: Trash culture problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone using these devices is part of the problem. True recycling doesn't exist for electronics.

  7. Some numbers? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    Some numbers on how serious this problem really is would have been nice.

    As an anecdote, I've been working at an outfit that recycles electronics here in the US, for about 3 years now. We've never had a fire from lithium batteries or any other battery.

    1. Re:Some numbers? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      but the anecdotal evidence is stark.

      Some numbers ... would have been nice. We've never had [one].

      Stark, it's stark, they don't have much / any. Just hear-say rumors, that's all. That's *ALL* they've got, do you get me?

      And be very nice to the man from Stark Industries when he comes around saying "... Shame if something were to happen here", else your outfit might start having lithium-ion battery fires, even in the Plastic-Only section.

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  8. Not a euphemism by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 2

    can produce what the industry euphemistically calls a "thermal event."

    what they are describing is not an euphemism... it's a literal... never in the history of the world has there been a better case for the use of the word "literal." It is literally a "thermal event."

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    1. Re:Not a euphemism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thermal event literally means that something happened "relating to heat". This could describe what happens when I rub my hands together doesnt really convey the level of destruction/urgency of "this shit just caught fire or exploded!"
      Hence "euphemism"

    2. Re:Not a euphemism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I received a warning letter once about the battery in an early smartphone. The letter warned me that this battery might "rapidly disassemble". You know, not explode, but rapidly disassemble. Lawyers ...

  9. Tax solves that by stooo · · Score: 1

    Even better : modulate the already existing recycling tax on new devices with the degree of difficulty of the recycling !

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  10. Hanging by stooo · · Score: 0

    >> I saw people throwing old batteries in the trash on the regular
    Hanging those people solves the problem.

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  11. Great - now imagine recycling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1/2 a ton of Tesla battery -- per car.

    I hope Elon has thought up a process (other than launching them to Mars) for properly recycling all those Tesla batteries.

  12. Use the system as intended by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    put the liability where it belongs with the manufacturer/seller and let the legal system place a price on the issue. Once that is done the market may deal with the issue without regulation being required.
    Path of least government.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re: Use the system as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is actually an okay idea. no other infrastructure or major changes required either.

  13. Smarter Faster, Smaller! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, what the article is saying is that the smart phone industry, with their non-repairable form factor and replaceable batteries, is a dumpster fire?

    1. Re:Smarter Faster, Smaller! by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      A courageous dumpster fire.

    2. Re:Smarter Faster, Smaller! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if they were replaceable, it'd still be a dumpster fire.

  14. There's some hope... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1
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  15. Prediction by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    All the solutions in the comments will for the most part ignore the very fundamental issue that maybe these devices should not be considered disposable.

    Our society seems to be shifting more and more to the disposable and away from the durable good. Why should I be buying new computers and cell phone every 2 years? Used to be you bought a PC, paid like 6K for inflation adjusted and you ran it for 6 or seven years! Sure that meant that you did not always have the latest and greatest. It was perfectly normal back in the day for Joe to have i386-DX20 on his desk still while Bob unboxed his brand new Pentium-60. These machines were worlds apart in performance but WFW3.11 booted up just fine on either. Both were fully supported.

    Most of the App store isn't a choice for an 2012 iPhone 4s today.

    Maybe the question to be asking is why can't I pull some screws off the back of iPhone; pry up the A10 CPU and install a A12 "over drive" or swap out the memory chips, replace the flash module user data lives on with a bigger one?

    Sure this would mean probably thicker more expensive phone but we could make a mobile that has 10 year life span rather than 1.5 - 4(max).

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    1. Re:Prediction by tomtomtom · · Score: 1

      Why should I be buying new computers and cell phone every 2 years? Used to be you bought a PC, paid like 6K for inflation adjusted and you ran it for 6 or seven years!

      A roughly mainstream desktop PC spec in 2012 would have been quad-core AMD Piledriver or Intel Sandy Bridge, probably 4GB RAM. That's still more than enough to run Windows 10 and Office 2016. Laptops similarly. Contrast that to the difference between 1988 and 1994 (for example). This is entirely an issue with phones/tablets, and is down to (1) the relative immaturity of those devices and (2) a pricing structure for phone contracts which incentivises "upgrades" every two years based on contract renewal.

  16. iPhones are disassembled by a robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why do they include Apple in their list?

  17. Apple solved the problem already by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Apple will take back any Apple product and recycle it, for free.

    Require all other companies that sell products with batteries to do the same.

    Doesn't that make WAY more sense than what you are proposing? How would your idea help any, when the device would just be thrown away with the battery still in it - in fact even worse, it would be thrown away with spare batteries!

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  18. other-ing instead of accepting blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "inhumane places like the Congo" in the article is a lie. The Congo isn't inhumane. Mining companies there exploit people with inhumane working conditions.

    Other-ing by saying the place is bad, instead of some actors (who are, let's be clear, international mining companies), is gross and reveals a gross attitude towards Africa.