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Apple Can Delete Purchased Movies From Your Library Without Telling You (theoutline.com)

Casey Johnston, writing for The Outline: When you buy a movie on iTunes, it's yours forever, until such a time as when Apple maybe loses the rights to distribute it, and then it will disappear from your library without a trace. This is what happened to Anders G. da Silva, who goes by @drandersgs on Twitter, and who tweeted about losing three movies bought on the iTunes Store.

When da Silva wrote to Apple to complain about the missing movies, Apple wrote back to him that "the content provider has removed these movies from the Canadian Store. Hence, these movies are not available in the Canada iTunes Store at this time." For his trouble in notifying Apple that it had disappeared three of his ostensible belongings for incredibly dubious legal reasons, Apple offered da Silva not even a refund, but two credits for renting a movie on the iTunes Store "priced up to $5.99 USD." After he argued that he was not in the market for rentals and would just like the movies he purchased, please, Apple tried to appease him with two more rental credits.

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  1. Never Buy Apple by rea1l1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Never buy Apple unless you are okay with being a slave to their dictatorial policies. Please support Linux.

    1. Re:Never Buy Apple by Jason1729 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Never "buy" content from any of these online streaming services. It's all rented and always has been. And not just Apple.

      This is the "victim's" fault for not understanding what he was doing, this was obvious from day one. But people argue how much better and easier it is than old fashioned discs. And they will continue to "buy" into these pay per view streaming services.

    2. Re:Never Buy Apple by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don’t mind pay per view or all-you-can-eat services like Spotify, because you are getting exactly what you are paying for: one view (or multiple views in a very short timeframe) of a particular movie, or access to whatever is on offer with the streaming service. If you don’t like their collection anymore, cancel your subscription at the end of the month.

      If however you aim to build a library, physical discs or download-to-own content unencumbered by DRM are the only way to go. Everything else is just paying full price for rentals.

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    3. Re:Never Buy Apple by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the "victim's" fault for not understanding what he was doing, this was obvious from day one.

      Not at all. This is unequivocally Apple's fault for describing it as a "purchase" instead of as a "rental". If Apple didn't secure a license to the content for effectively "forever" (such as a 99-year license) before "selling" the content to the user, then they made the sale in poor faith. Their activity was in fact fraud.

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    4. Re:Never Buy Apple by MtHuurne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Their store calls it "buy" and the price is set at a level far above the rent price: everything suggests you can buy movies. Don't blame the victim for not reading the fine print on what seems like a very ordinary consumer purchase.

    5. Re:Never Buy Apple by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I expect that if you read the terms of service (you do read that, before you click "OK"buying anything, you are renting it, anybody who doesn't understand that needs a keeper.

      Most people can't understand the ToS. They are deliberately written to be difficult to understand, and contain unnecessary verbiage to discourage people from digging into them to begin with. That's part of why we have laws governing contracts. Further, pretending that the meanings of words doesn't matter is bollocks. Apple deliberately confused customers, and the ToS doesn't change that.

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    6. Re:Never Buy Apple by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why some countries have legislation against that sort of semi-hidden clauses. Germany for instance.
      Besides, if the word "Sale" is displayed prominently and Apple's option to "retract" the content is only somewhere in the small print, the two directly contradict each other. So in court, the judge would have to decide which takes precedence. Common sense might say the "sale" that was written in big letters in the ad.

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  2. Re:You didn't purchase movies by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK. I'll pray they don't alter the deal further.

  3. No "digital" by bkr1_2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why we don't buy anything as a download. Physical media only. I'll take the time to rip it myself. If you want to own it, you have to have something physical to maintain control of it.

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  4. It's Not About Buying vs Leasing by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Informative

    In this case, however, she bought the movies and then deleted them from her system. She was relying on Apple's service to be able to re-download them again.

    These are two seperate things.

    If she had kept her local copies, Apple would not have removed these items from her computer; they were, however, unable to re-supply her with copies of the movies she'd bought via their service because thye'd lost the licensing rights to distribute said movies.

    Imagine a store that you buy a DVD from that also allows you to stream a copy of the same DVD from their servers. If you lose the DVD, or destroy it, you can stream the movie until they lose licensing rights. If you don't lose or destroy the DVD, you don't have to rely on this third party.

    The person in the story 'destroyed their DVD' and then their streaming provider lost their distribution rights.

    She relied on a third party backup. She thought this was a guaranteed service. She was wrong.

    None of this, however, has anything to do with buying vs leasing/licensing/renting and companies telling you you bought something when you merely licensed or rented it (although this remains an issue in digital consumer law in any number of countries). If she'd kept her downloaded copy, she'd still have it.

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