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Before It Was Hacked, Equifax Had a Different Fear: Chinese Spying (wsj.com)

Two years before Equifax stunned the world with the announcement it had been hacked, the credit-reporting company believed it was the victim of another theft, only this time at the hands of Chinese spies, WSJ reported Wednesday. From the report: In the previously undisclosed incident, security officials feared that former employees had removed thousands of pages of proprietary information before leaving and heading to jobs in China. Materials included code for planned new products, human-resources files and manuals. Equifax went to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Central Intelligence Agency. Investigators from the company and the FBI came to view events at Equifax as potentially a huge theft of data -- not of consumers' personal data, as happened with the subsequent 2017 hacking of Equifax's files, but of confidential business information. Equifax security officials briefed the then-chief executive, Richard Smith, at a fall 2015 meeting, spreading high stacks of paper across the length of the boardroom table. The voluminous printouts represented what they feared was stolen. Adding to suspicions, the Chinese government had recently asked eight companies to help it build a national credit-reporting system. At one point, Equifax grew so worried it began building a way to monitor the computer activity of all of its ethnic-Chinese employees, according to people familiar with the investigation. The resource-heavy project, which raised legal concerns internally, was short-lived.

47 comments

  1. So just like... by hackingbear · · Score: 2
    1. Re:So just like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the times of war!
      If today is similar spying and done by China, US and China are in a trade war for sure then!
      Then maybe Chinese spies of today should be treated the same way spies were treated in those war times!?

  2. Chinese spy and steal, let's face it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Investigating that shouldn't be newsworthy at Equifax, it's a target for both. Doing it incompetently is just par for their course.

  3. Security officials by nwaack · · Score: 0

    "Equifax security officials briefed the then-chief executive, Richard Smith, at a fall 2015 meeting" - wait, what? Equifax has security officials?

    1. Re:Security officials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they had 2.

    2. Re:Security officials by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      "Equifax security officials briefed the then-chief executive, Richard Smith, at a fall 2015 meeting" - wait, what? Equifax has security officials?

      Yes, for security of their "proprietary" information. Not of the stuff in their primary database (i.e., your information). Their marketing plans, their payrolls, etc. That's what they were protecting.

    3. Re:Security officials by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Protecting, oh no, they were engaged in racist activities selectively targeting any employee Asian looking (what is ethnic Chinese meant to mean) and spying on them. It is a corporation, anyone could have sold it and typically look at the top not the bottom, in fact look right at the person who thought it was a good idea to target Asian looking employees in a racist fashion.

      How much would they have paid, millions, well they only pay that to top because they get lock in (extortion value, high level source and they protect their privacy to hide their corrupt interactions with their own government, enabling the hiding of corrupt interactions with foreign governments, the higher up they are, the reality now stop with the lies, the more corrupt they are likely to be in the modern era).

      Look at the top executives of the corporation and check the offshore tax haven accounts.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  4. The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The background file for my national security clearance got stolen by the Chinese a few years ago That contained a lot more information than the credit reports that Uncle Sam requested from all three bureaus.

    1. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mine too. The SF86 thing seems to have been sanitized to the point where it is not compared to these other breaches. My clearance form had my info, wife and children, relatives, etc. Much worse in my opinion.

    2. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    3. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    4. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1


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    5. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Chris' case is getting worse, he spends all day replying to himself as AC on /. and now, on YouTube in order to grab attention!

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      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

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      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
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      Nancy Guerrero
      Director
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      Santa Clara County Office of Education

    6. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Exactly Nancy,

      But it seems like Chris is a victim here. He keeps on reading those SEO, youtube algorithm, basically get rich quick sites. He doesn't realize that he is the fish for them since they make money off him with their own schemes. Then, he wastes his time trying to implement what those sites suggest and he ends up disturbing people.

      I mean, those crooks tell Chris that he has to build personal brands and he goes on the Internet and makes everything about himself public!

      I believe we should bring this up at our next meeting. He might not be our only patient victim of such on-line abuse.

      https://www.researchgate.net/p...

      --
      Silvia Bunge
      Psychology Department
      University of California, Berkeley

    7. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Leave me alone at once Nancy and Silvia! I already told you I was fed up with your advice and I don't listen to anybody's advice anyway as everybody knows here on slashdot!

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      I use PhotoShop daily!

      I have a hearing loss in one ear, so my audio will always be suspect. I use a Zoom H2 audio recorder with a pop filter 12" away from my mouth, Audacity to clean up and normalize the audio, and sync the audio to the video and apply a "voice enhancement" eq to the audio in the video editor.

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    8. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      creimer is a pedophile. He just published a video of kids dancing around on his youtube channel; gradually the camera starts to shake more and more then, stops shaking. I wonder what he was doing while filming it...

      Folks, your kids might be on some pervert video site, hurry with the DMCA!

    9. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by cre1mer · · Score: -1

      Don't forget that I've attended WorldCon 76. :P

      https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/protest-against-pedophiles-in-sci-fi-held-outside-worldcon/1381192689

      Opposing rallies held outside of the San Jose Convention Center kept police on their toes Saturday afternoon. Sci-Fi fans, writers, and artists are all in town for Worldcon. The event also brought out a group called Predators Out Now, who were protesting pedophiles in sci-fi. According to their Facebook event page, the group believes, there's been an epidemic within the sci-fi community, abusing children and covering it up.

    10. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1


      MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again!

      creimer wants you to click on his youtube channel, then click on his stupid amazon affiliate link spam on Youtube. There is nothing of value on creimer youtube channel. Only creimer click-bot goes there.

      creimer, I reported you to youtube and amazon and I keep reporting every spam post you make so all these spam posts will do is bring your view count in negative territory for a given day since youtube barred your stupid click-bot and your spam posts.

    11. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by cre1mer · · Score: -1

      Whatever happened to 72-year-old CaptainDork that you were so hot and bothered with?

    12. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Christopher, my love,

      Never mind those "hump leg" trolls.

      I am deeply sorry. I didn't feel well lately but I am better now since I had my meds adjusted. I am sorry that I called you all sorts of names on Slashdot and I feel truly ashamed of myself but somebody keeps re-posting my nasty post.

      The python click script you wrote for me my sweet love for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work.

      Could you come visit me in my studio so we could look at it?

      Signed:
      Ethell, Your sweetee who will love you for ever.

      P.S. when I posted there was a funny form that asked me to retype the word "shoulders" in a text field. That's funny, I did a double-take and I went to look at your new picture again and got turned on. Please contact me ASAP.

    13. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    14. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    15. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer is... an African-American... and a registered Republican. You Trump supporters crack me up!

    16. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer's new video got an extra 44 views today. You should call him a pedophile more often.

    17. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now 100+ views.

    18. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now 150+ views.

    19. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get my family friendly Goat C shirt! ~ CaptainDork

    20. Re:The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, Chris. Looks like you managed to change the information. The archived copy I have is accurate!

  5. And then credit sessamie debuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coincidence?

  6. Well Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The CIA used Equifax to train the Chinese wrong on purpose! Now we will be able to breach their data whenever necessary!

  7. Nonstory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinese espionage doesn't matter. The Chinese appear to limit themselves to compromising Democrats (Feinstein) or influencing elections on behalf of Democrats (Clinton fund raising etc.) No one in the establishment and its media care about any of this; the targets and beneficiaries are all "good" people immune to questions. Every time another Chinese spy turns up with the inevitable ties to (D)s it gets a day or so in the news cycle and then it quietly disappears.

    I guess Russia could take a page from all this; back the correct side and forego all the drama.

  8. It wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh noez! De haxx0rz did done de haxx1n!!1!

  9. Yet more commie baiting from the deepstate by najajomo · · Score: 1

    I can remember when this was a technology site, instead of a conduit for neocon waffle.

  10. When Republican faggots lie, they go to prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep talking moron, we have a room for that rent free.

  11. China, NK, Iran ARE still hacking all US companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China, NK, Iran ARE still hacking US companies, so we all need to be ready. If not today, tomorrow. Expect to be hacked.

    China got my data through the USGovt leaks for clearance information.

  12. No prison time = GUARANTEE for repeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should they give a flying F about security, if all they do is pay a stupid fine? Gov response has been a joke. Law enforcement: JOKE. Blatant insider trades prior to announcement, and STILL no prison. Consumers are being a$$ raped in every direction as there is no rule of law left in merica.

  13. Cultural credit rating in China by qubezz · · Score: 1

    Sounds like China stole the technology for their own "social" credit rating, where a bad twitter can bar you from employment and your children from getting into a school.

  14. If I were Chinese, I'd steal secrets too by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    Blood is thicker than politics.

    Your ethnic origin is part of your personal identity, at least for 95% of humanity.

    The USA has fought two proxy wars against Chinese and killed over a million of them.

    If you were Chinese, whose side would you take -- your own, or the global shopping mall the USA?

  15. Re:China, NK, Iran ARE still hacking all US compan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its not hacking if the Chinese were employed by Equifax. Which they probably were. As far as I'm concerned, if your company has any Chinese nationals or immigrants, you should make sure none of them are in positions were they have access to all of your data and programs...or they'll download all of it and drop it off and the nearest Chinese embassy.

    You have been warned.

  16. Why do the Chinese need to steal from Equifax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They're already the undisputed masters of operating a totalitarian surveillance and control system, these days.

    1. Re:Why do the Chinese need to steal from Equifax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're already the undisputed masters of operating a totalitarian surveillance and control system, these days.

      When an American white guy steals something or is part of a crime, there is almost sympathy. What went wrong that this guy ended up doing this? When any other race or nationality does it, it's either thugs, terrorists, spies etc.

      On the other hand, we have cases like Aleynikov. He took open source software home. Not only was Goldman Sachs not obeying open source licenses, they actively ruined the life of Aleynikov by tangling him up in all sorts of made up charges.

  17. They were horrified... by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    They were horrified that the Chinese would steal the information because they wanted to sell the information for top dollar.

    1. Re:They were horrified... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no. This was confidential IP that they based their business on. The secret sauce, so to speak.

  18. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 0

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  19. I'd beware of Natives and anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who doesn't worship an american flag. Or those that buy american flag toilet paper.

  20. Why they cashed out stock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right after We The People heard about the equifax breach there was news about many execs and C-levels exercising stock options.
    The excuse given was that these stock transactions were setup before the breach, so it was ok.

    This possible loss of data to China was probably what started the stock activity.

  21. Re: The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is not an African American. He just has really social status. His lack of hygiene is is really high though.