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Scientists Discover a 'Tuneable' Novel Quantum State of Matter (phys.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Phys.Org: An international team of researchers led by Princeton physicist Zahid Hasan has discovered a quantum state of matter that can be "tuned" at will -- and it's 10 times more tuneable than existing theories can explain. This level of manipulability opens enormous possibilities for next-generation nanotechnologies and quantum computing. Hasan and his colleagues, whose research appears in the current issue of Nature, are calling their discovery a "novel" quantum state of matter because it is not explained by existing theories of material properties. The classical phases of matter -- solids, liquids and gases -- arise from interactions between atoms or molecules. In a quantum phase of matter, the interactions take place between electrons, and are much more complex.

[Hasan] and his colleagues arranged atoms on the surface of crystals in many different patterns and watched what happened. They used various materials prepared by collaborating groups in China, Taiwan and Princeton. One particular arrangement, a six-fold honeycomb shape called a "kagome lattice" for its resemblance to a Japanese basket-weaving pattern, led to something startling -- but only when examined under a spectromicroscope in the presence of a strong magnetic field [...]. All the known theories of physics predicted that the electrons would adhere to the six-fold underlying pattern, but instead, the electrons hovering above their atoms decided to march to their own drummer -- in a straight line, with two-fold symmetry. The decoupling between the electrons and the arrangement of atoms was surprising enough, but then the researchers applied a magnetic field and discovered that they could turn that one line in any direction they chose. Without moving the crystal lattice, [one] could rotate the line of electrons just by controlling the magnetic field around them.

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  1. "That's funny" by FeelGood314 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!) but “That’s funny ” — Isaac Asimov (OK - Asimov is credit with the quote but it's more a paraphrase of a number of quotes he made)

    1. Re:"That's funny" by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

      The most exciting phrase to hear in science, ... is not “Eureka!” (I found it!) but “That’s funny ” ...

      Interestingly, they tie as least exciting phrase to hear in bed.

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    2. Re:"That's funny" by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm still waiting for the headline "Sports team discovers new...", or "Religion discovers new..."

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    3. Re:"That's funny" by null+etc. · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm still waiting for the headline "Sports team discovers new...", or "Religion discovers new..."

      "Religion discovers new way to impede science." There ya go.

    4. Re:"That's funny" by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Religion discovers new..."

      Fun fact: Historically, the Catholic Church has been a major sponsor of astronomy. Catholic Church backed and help make plenty of scientific discoveries. They have had poor reactions to some discoveries but contributed a lot to making them.

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    5. Re:"That's funny" by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has always had nonsense posts, trolls and spam. What's new are people like you suddenly deciding to be triggered and reacting in faux outrage so you can make a little out of context political rant. Thanks for that.

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    6. Re:"That's funny" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The post history for Maritz is quite a read. The anger and bitterness is impressive -- clinically that is. Sad. The person will likely self-immolate from pure vitriol soon.

  2. basket weaving, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Underwater quantum basket weaving" will now be moved from the athletics department to the physics department.

  3. Re: Republicans are aghast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your bigotry is leaking.

  4. Re: My ass is tunable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting like you do is a weird way to blow off steam, donâ(TM)t you think?

  5. Sounds more classical than quantum. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All the known theories of physics predicted that the electrons would adhere to the six-fold underlying pattern, but instead, the electrons hovering above their atoms decided to march to their own drummer -- in a straight line, with two-fold symmetry. The decoupling between the electrons and the arrangement of atoms was surprising enough, but then the researchers applied a magnetic field and discovered that they could turn that one line in any direction they chose. Without moving the crystal lattice, [one] could rotate the line of electrons just by controlling the magnetic field around them.

    Sounds classical to me:
      - The layout of the substrate produced a planar potential well with no, or very little, difference of energy for electrons being in one position vs. another.
      - Provided the average density of the electrons was right, they behaved like a gas of individual particles in a thin container, or marbles on a flat surface.
      - The electrons repelled each other, so they tended to spread out evenly. (Spread out too far, though, and they leave some positive-charged substrate behind. So they don't just fly apart and go away.)
    - But electrons also have spin, which means they are little magnets. So, with their mutual repulsion largely defeated by forces holding them at a given average spacing, they tend to line up north-pole-to-south-pole in strings (but don't all pile up because coming more than a little closer together under the slight magnetic attraction is balanced by higher repulsion.) The strings are a bit more dense than the average gas, so most of the electrons join one and reduce their total energy.
      - So now you have these long magnetic strings, with no preferred orientation driven by irregularities in the substrate. Bring a magnet nearby and they'll line up with its field while spacing out by mutual magnetic AND electrostatic repulsion, much like iron filing lines.

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    1. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also: Sounds like the electrons were far enough apart and unassociated enough with the nearby nuclei that the Pauli-exclusion effects weren't constraining them into particular states - or the states were close enough together to act more like a continuum.

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    2. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by raftpeople · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like the Time Cube to me.

    3. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite right it's not quantum. Plus the article forgot to mention that there are four classical states, not three. There's also plasma.

    4. Re: Sounds more classical than quantum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are five. You forgot Bose-Einstein condensate.

    5. Re: Sounds more classical than quantum. by null+etc. · · Score: 2

      Bose-Einstein condensate is not a classical state of matter, it's a modern state.

    6. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also: Sounds like the electrons were far enough apart and unassociated enough with the nearby nuclei that the Pauli-exclusion effects weren't constraining them into particular states - or the states were close enough together to act more like a continuum.

      LOL ... nods wisely ... I'm so glad I live in a world where the unassociation of electrons with nuclei isn't excluding or constraining continuums allowing us to leverage our synergies for new an unexepected tuneable quantum forms, and that I get to read about it on Slashdot and wonder what the hell it all means.

      These guys clearly know something, but I'm afraid the enfrobulation of the entwined tachyon field's flux is a little over my head. OK, it's a lot over my head. Like miles and miles over my head.

      Anybody have a nice, simple car analogy for the dimmer among us?

      So ... if we can align electrons like this, does this mean we can build logic gates at the atomic scale, for instance? Am I even close?

    7. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by mesterha · · Score: 2

      You could have just said it was a compass.

      Just kidding; great post. Even so, I'm curious if you read the nature article. I'm guessing that the blurbs are misleading. I looked at the start, but it's pay walled and probably beyond my level of physics. I wondered if they moved it around and saw the compass effect?

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    8. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      Sort of what I was thinking. Didn't Faraday discover the effect of electric current on a magnet and a magnet on an electric current? Something about electric motors comes to mind.

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    9. Re:Sounds more classical than quantum. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      You could have just said it was a compass.

      Yep.

      Or at least a bunch of charged-so-they-repell-each-other "compass needles" on a flat slippery surface.

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  6. 7 comments by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Funny

    well that's about the number of people who really understand what all this article is about.

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  7. What are the applications? by vix86 · · Score: 1

    This sounds cool but I feel like every time there is a big announcement about something amazing involving Quantum Physics, the first thing everyone mentions is how it'll be useful in nanotechnology and quantum computing. Unfortunately, no one ever really explains how its useful and what the actual application in those fields are, so I'm left wondering if any of this is really that useful or just simply that the reporters have 0 clue and just toss that in to make it seem important.

    1. Re:What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And that is the correct reaction. Bose-Einstein condensate is the worst offender in overhyping their significance—name a single useful thing that came out this Nobel-prize-winning discovery!

    2. Re:What are the applications? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm just an interested layperson, but the applications in nanotechnology seem pretty straightforward to me. Nanotech is basically all about building machines on a scale where a couple individual particles can be a whole part of the machine. So every weird thing you can figure out how to make particles do, on the individual level, at that scale -- as opposed to things to make huge aggregates of particles do -- is something you can use as a part of a nanomachine.

      In this case, it sounds like they've figured out a way to build a kind of rod of electrons stuck to a crystal surface, that can be made to rotate based on the application of a magnetic field. That sounds like it could be as useful as, I dunno, a wooden disc that can be made to rotate around an axle is on a macroscopic scale. It sounds dumb and useless when you phrase it like that, but that's a rudimentary wheel, and there's a zillion uses in more complex machines that wheels can be put to. Who knows what exact uses a controllably spinning rod of electrons on the surface of a crystal could be in nanotechnology, but it seems like the kind of thing that could have many and varied.

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    3. Re:What are the applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More accurate atomic clocks.

    4. Re:What are the applications? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      I think cooling with superfluid helium is an actual application of a BEC.

    5. Re:What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Nope! Look for BEC here, I dare you.

      That's what they claimed BEC could do; no one has done it. The thing is, lifetime of a BEC is so short (last I heard, on the order of a few seconds), that itself puts significant constraints on precision measurements you can do.

      This is what it comes down to—there have been so few truly new discoveries in physics, that many physicists have become hype artists. If they tell you they discovered something new, bet (on even-money odds) that they didn't. If you can find someone who'll take your bet, you'll get rich soon.

    6. Re:What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      That sentence contained so many internal contradictions that it's not even wrong. Congratulations! You have created the perfect troll post to give an actual physicist an aneurysm!

    7. Re: What are the applications? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Come on. Superfluid helium is a Bose-Einstein-Condensate, right? And it's superfluid properties are used for cooling.
      Though I have no idea if the current research on BEC is related to this in any way.

    8. Re: What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, I have successfully fought one aneurysm, and more aneurysms are not going to hurt me.

      Hey, I know as much medicine as you know physics. "Superfluid is a Bose-Einstein Condensate" is the kind of nonsense that people in the racist South would say.

    9. Re:What are the applications? by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, just think back when lasers were invented, there was absolutely no use for it then. What a waste of time that was.

    10. Re: What are the applications? by Zorpheus · · Score: 0

      Please get of your high horse. What do you say to this? https://www.researchgate.net/p...

    11. Re: What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      I say you don't know how to read.

    12. Re:What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? First invention of maser: 1953 (one of the fruits of the postwar research). Invention of hydrogen maser (part of atomic clock standard—the actual standard, not some pie-in-the-sky dream of a fevered tenure-seeking researcher): 1962. Only 9 years to a discovery that had lasting practical applications both in science and engineering.

      First BEC was produced in 1995. More than 20 years later, still no use for it, either in science or engineering. People are still trying to do stuff with it, but they are not doing it any better with BEC than they can do without BEC.

      I'm not saying all of science research is useless (if that's true, then I'm useless); I'm saying much of scientific "discovery" is useless, and scientists are kinda last people you should listen to when you are trying to judge how worthwhile their work is—they have their own biases that they won't reveal to you, and even if they are perfectly ethical, they're bound to be afflicted with tunnel vision.

    13. Re: What are the applications? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      And I say you have a problem, spying insults for no reason. And you don't know how to read.
      This is other physicists discussing the same question, do it is obviously not obvious. And at least two answers state that BEC is a prerequisite for superfluidity.

    14. Re: What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      And you are just cherry-picking to, I don't know what you are doing, because you are not saving any face with your continued insistence in ignorary.

      Yes, I've been insulting to you, and that's because you are so willfully ignorant. If you know nothing about low-temperature physics and ultra-cold gases, admit that and say that you don't know, rather than trying to bullshit your way around. I am not going to bother to try to teach to the unteachable.

      Come back when you have learned some humility.

    15. Re: What are the applications? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1
      You are calling me ignorant, yet you haven't explained anything yet. Only linked to an unrelated article which was wasting my time. And you insulted me as a physicist right in the beginning for no reason.
      I am not a specialist in low-temperature physics. The professor who stated that connection back when I studied worked on low-temperature experiments though.
      I don't know why you don't see that connection. In what I linked to is one paragraph which is not clear to me, I guess it does when you work in the field. I don't have the time to read up on the whole field just for that, maybe you can explain it once you are in a mood for that:

      Incidentally, what you call BEC is not superfluid without interactions because the low momentum excitation have zero speed, as is well known too. Superfluidity requires that zero energy fluctuations have finite speed (or a gap) and that the temperature is less than a critical value. This is correct for interacting bosons, like Helium 4 but also for fermions like Helium 3, but there things are more complex than what is described by the original Landau theory because of a complex relation between the order parameter and the spin of the particles, but it remains within the general framework of this theory.

      First sentence, what interactions, and what low momentum excitations (in BEC or superfuid)? Does he just state that a BEC needs additional interactions to become a superfluid? That still does not contradict my statement though. Well, and from the last sentence I could conclude that He-3 isn't bosons, so only superliquid He-4 can be a BEC.

    16. Re: What are the applications? by JoeRobe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So 20 years is your limit? What about 30 years? 100 years? Point is that the path from scientific discovery to technical application is sometimes a very long and winding road, other times a straight path (eg transistor).

      The BEC was a big deal, even if we don't have an application yet. We discovered a new state of matter with unique properties. That should be what the physics field is excited about, full stop. That it hasn't resulted in an application yet on an arbitrary time horizon is irrelevant to it's scientific value. Should we stop studying dark matter, or neutrinos, because we don't have an application in mind (yet)?

      This, by the way, is ignoring the side benefits of the pursuit of BEC. Cornell and others pushed the limits of lasers in order the get the laser cooling required to create the BEC. Their research has also led to advancements in atom and ion trap technologies.

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    17. Re: What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      You don't need to be a specialist to understand that superfluid is not BEC. They are "related" in the sense that they both involve reaching a macroscopic quantum state by approaching the groundstate of a system involving many particles (you can put superconductor in the same category for that; the Internet forum you linked mentioned Cooper pairs).

      But to use that relationship to say that superfluid is BEC is at best oversimplifying (a very dangerous thing to do when you are not a specialist in the field, hence my "bullshitting" comment) and at worst just throwing jargons around (especially your "cooling with superfluid helium" comment).

      They say fear of God is beginning of wisdom—the very first step in becoming a competent physicist is learning when to admit "I don't know" (hopefully well-before somebody smacks you in the head with a metaphorical 2-by-4).

      In any case, my point isn't that BEC doesn't have interesting interactions/properties; it's that BEC doesn't have interesting applications, where by using BEC, you do some things better than you would have without BEC.

    18. Re: What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's the old chestnut: let's send men to the moon, so that we can invent better pens.

      I am not saying "don't fund BECs" (I have many former colleagues who'd be mad at me if that's what I was saying). I am saying don't just take scientists at their word when they are trying to hype their own work. If you think used-car salesmen are terrible people when they are trying to sell, physicists are even worse people when they are trying to present their tired, old work as "novel".

      While I wouldn't exactly propose a Ginsburg-like time-limit on affirmative action, if you stop using scientists as your exclusive source when you are making funding decisions, you will come to a natural, sensible limit on how long you would fund basic research that overpromises and underdelivers (in that area, BEC isn't actually the worst offender; it's actually string theory, especially given its stranglehold on an entire sub-discipline).

    19. Re: What are the applications? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Ok, I agree on that, and I totally believe your last sentence. Scientific funding is relying so much on the interest into specific terms and combinations of them, when you know the details it often does not make much sense. I have my own experiences with that.
      Actually I just remember reading the paragraph on superliquid Helium in that physics book. It wasn't more than a pragraph and must have been new to the author. So it might have been written up to 50 years ago. Well, it's often a problem on such boards that you have no idea of the level of others in a topic.

    20. Re: What are the applications? by JoeRobe · · Score: 1

      That's a deceptive oversimplification of the technological side-benefits of scientific research. You don't send people to the moon because you want to make better pens. You do it for a lot of scientific and non scientific reasons (in that case mostly political), and the advancements made along the way can and sometimes do benefit society. The space program is rife with such benefits, much more important than pens. So are particle collider programs.

      I get that you don't want to trust scientists when they are taking about the importance of their work. Obvious bias there. But that doesn't mean BEC is useless because applications have yet to be found. Who should we trust? Folks who claim to see the future? Because that's what it would take to identify scientific pursuits that are sure to have applications.

      The larger and more important question that you're actually asking is "how much should we be funding curiosity based research, vs research with clear application/commercial potential?" That's a legitimate question and certainly there needs to be a balance struck between them that allows for "pure" scientific discovery that may have unforeseen societal benefit, without blowing all our cash on pie-in-the-sky pursuits that won't pay off in the short or long run. Ideally, taxpayer-funded scientific research produces benefits on short (year), medium (decade) and long (several decade or longer) timescales.

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    21. Re:What are the applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope this could bring us Petabyte hard drives.

    22. Re:What are the applications? by necro81 · · Score: 1

      The thing is, lifetime of a BEC is so short (last I heard, on the order of a few seconds), that itself puts significant constraints on precision measurements you can do.

      It's worse than that - most BECs have a lifetime of fractions of a second. One of the limiting factors on the lifetime of a BEC is, oddly enough, gravity: the clump of particles simply falls out of the trap. A recent delivery to the International Space Station will allow for the creation of BECs with longer lifetimes: 5-10 seconds according to this article. That may still not sound like a lot, but it is an order of magnitude longer, and will allow deeper investigation of these tricky things. The better they are understood, the more likely useful applications may come along.

    23. Re:What are the applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is the correct reaction. Bose-Einstein condensate [wikipedia.org] is the worst offender in overhyping their significanceâ"name a single useful thing that came out this Nobel-prize-winning discovery!

      A better understanding of an exotic state of matter which was predicted in ~ 1924 but never observed before thereby confirming the prediction?

      Any time you confirm one of those predictions, you confirm that what you think it should do actually happens, and that tells you that some of the rest of what you think is happening is based on more solid evidence.

      Gravity waves, the Higgs-Boson particle ... these things help us confirm that our models of physics are fairly thorough.

      Now, as to what you can actually do practically with this, I leave this to far better minds than mine. But any time you can confirm understanding of the crazier bits of physics, you can have some more confidence in the rest of physics.

    24. Re: What are the applications? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Agreed on the considerations in funding priority. Fundamental science research is basically a speculative venture—you don't want to do none of it (because that means you limit yourself to a box of knowns), but you don't want your next meal coming from it (... which is I guess why the government has to fund a big portion of it).

  8. current theory by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    If have an experiment that current theory can't explain, you most likely have made a mistake somewhere.

    1. Re:current theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If have an experiment that current theory can't explain, you most likely have made a mistake somewhere.

      Ahh yes, the catholic-dominated medieval method of scientific "discovery."

      Religionofpeas, progressive unless we make actual progress.

  9. Terrific content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is incredible content!

  10. Can someone with a lab... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, sounds a bit like graphene to me.

    If someone has a lab or better understanding than me, can they answer a question?
    Send a laser through a sheet of glass at an angle and it bends, (refraction 101). If you cut away the glass either side of the path the laser traces through it, so the laser just travels through the same sliver of glass as before, you find it no longer follows that path, it exits the sides.

    i.e. the laser is bent by glass it doesn't actually pass though.

    Can someone actually confirm that happens, or have I f*ked up my medium simulation?

    1. Re:Can someone with a lab... by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 3, Informative

      Light takes many routes through the glass, bouncing off the many obstacles. What your eye sees is the route of maximal constructive interference. If you remove the sides of the glass, then the interference pattern is not the same. As far as you know, I'm just a random guy on the internet of course, so do double check everything I just said.

  11. star gazing & hand waving making big comeback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on a clear night one could speculate that another one is waving back.. as the spirit moves us.. cease fire stand down,, leave the quarks alone..

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  12. Is there a quantum state where BeauHD isn't a cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ?

    My $ would say no.

    Maybe BeauHD can crow and strut how he is a slashdot editor some more though, in between deleting his post history.

  13. Re: Is there a quantum state where BeauHD isn't a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God I remember my first crush. It's normal to feel scared but just tell him how you feel, it'll be ok.

  14. ALERT by TimMD909 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone who shitposts on this... is a turd winkle. This is news. This is nerdy. This matters to me.

    I'll throw the worst of shrubberies with plenty of typoeees at anyone who disobeys this edict.

    1. Re: ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is absolutely fantastic news!

    2. Re:ALERT by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I admit it is cool, but do you understand it?

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    3. Re:ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is a shitpost. You just criticized yourself, noob.

  15. Re: My ass is tunable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blow a load of steam up my ass!

  16. Re:Very worrisome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe the anti-white bias in academia has just hit a peak.

  17. The classical states by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are used as a matter of simplification. There is no clean boundary, only a continuum where the classical states (solid, liquid, gas, plasma) are specific islands.

    Quantum doesn't mean magical, it just means something with discrete states rather than continuous states. QM is a quantum theory that mostly applies to the very small but can scale up to objects of a few millimetres under some conditions. Actually, some aspects - such as the Schrodinger Equation - applies to planetary rings, asteroid belts and accretion disks.

    The first question is whether it's useful to talk of states of matter. If it is, is it useful to use traditional ones or should we decompose phenomena into the raw properties and then compose a new set of states that reduces the need for weird overlaps and talk of mysteries beyond the ken of man?

    The second question (or third, if you go with the option above) is whether something that is apparently orthogonal to the original list is a state in the original sense? The original sense is a linear continuum, not a set of sets. This new thing is apparently not on that line. If matter's state is multidimensional, our naming should reflect that.

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    1. Re:The classical states by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Funny

      Quantum doesn't mean magical,

      Ironically, that may be the most commonly used meaning of the term. For example, we know that the earth is flat but quantum mechanics make it look round. I saw that in a video.

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    2. Re:The classical states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world is both flat and round. It will become one or the other when we open the cat-containing box.

  18. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about time we found octarine! Twofold era would truly be amazed.

  19. Re:Very worrisome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, since this "discovery" is obviously bogus nonsense, that is a good thing.

  20. Technology is cyclicler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can this be used to carefully direct a single beam of photons? I'd like a very very tiny crt tv

  21. Re:Very worrisome by vtcodger · · Score: 1

    Bogus nonsense? Tell us that the next time you need an infintesimally small magnetometer for some project.

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  22. Here are a few... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still waiting for the headline "Sports team discovers new...", or "Religion discovers new..."

    I've got a couple for you:

    "Sports team discovers new ... way to troll authoritarian Americans who don't understand a thing about what the flag stands for." (With thanks to the NFL)

    "Religion discovers new ... way to lobotomize human intellect with nonsensical words." Hmm...that probably doesn't count, since they've been doing that for millennia. How about...

    "Religion discovers new ... way to subsume an established democracy beneath fascist rhetoric, small minded bigotry, and white entitlement." Nope, can't use that one either: they're following the tried and true Nazi playbook page by page. Nothing new here either.

    OK, you got me. Religion can't possibly discover anything new (although it's adherents might, once they realize what rubes they've been played for).

    1. Re:Here are a few... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We don't need religion to manipulate the masses. I don't buy into the idea of a better world without religion BS. People are just going to hang onto some some other ideal to base their excuse to being cruel to other people.
      Look at just some of the emotions we get from the stupidest things.
      Android vs iOS
      Linux vs Windows
      Emacs vs VI
      PC vs Mac
      CICS vs RISC
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      The color of Clam Chowder
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      Ford vs Chevy ....

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    2. Re:Here are a few... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religion is actually pretty useful.

      Ritual has a lot of utility for holding communities together and in acting as a sort of communication protocol between people who don't know each otehr very well.
      Parables are a very low cost way to teach ideas to people. Essentially routing an abstract idea though a person't system for integrating practical experience into their worldview.

      The main problem with religion is that the ones which exist today by and large are either: really old and haven't been adequately updated as the needs of civilization changed, or were created as jokes and aren't actually trying to be useful.

      The general trend in modern religions is to cherry-pick parts from an ancient religion and use them out of context to "justify" whatever you wanted to do anyway, while also insisting that any otehr cherry-picked subset that contradicts you is somehow less valid. This a pretty plainly stupid, but it grew organically out of the issue of advancing since and culture rendering large portions of ancient religions clearly unworkable but too much of civilization being invested in the institutions built on top of the religionand those institutions deriving their authority from an appeal to the perfect correctness of the religion.

      A modern religion designed with rituals appropriate to a modern society and meant to teach modern ideas, with a built in concept that it will have to be changed over time to keep relavent would have potential to do a lot of good. provided of coarse it actually achieves those design goals and manages to kill off the crappy competition.

  23. Wow, The Science Ignorance Is Strong Here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No scientific research is "useless". Literally all of it has application at some point, but we never really know when. That's the province of inventors as much as scientists.

    Science is like assembling a huge jigsaw puzzle. You connect 2 pieces together and what do you have? Nothing. Do you even know where in the picture those 2 pieces go? Probably not.

    Therefore according to you, connecting 2 pieces together on a jigsaw puzzle is useless. However if you never did that you'd never make any progress towards assembling the entire puzzle. Even popular culture and folk wisdom understands this clearly. That's where we get the philosophical phrases "A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step", and "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time."

    Your myopia is astounding. And attributing this understanding to "bias" is so wrong that it's Not Even Wrong.

  24. Re:Very worrisome by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

    The next time you need a tiny magnetometer that only works in a unique and temperamental two-story agglomeration of exotic technology, anyway.

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  25. Does it actually happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it actually happen? Your comment assumes it does, I want confirmation.

    This is the dipole model and I'm only sending a single dipole through the 'glass' (simulated), its purely mathematical. I've just tried it with a slit model, and its the material around the slit that's bending the dipole, the dipole never actually hits the slit wall, and I know that that happens in the lab, but perhaps I made a mistake with the glass geometry, hence want confirmation.