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FBI Mysteriously Closes New Mexico Observatory (popularmechanics.com)

Alien conspiracy theories are swirling after an observatory in New Mexico has been unexpectedly closed due to an unnamed "security issue," prompting evacuations and a visit from the FBI. "The Sunspot Observatory is now currently closed to both staff and the public, with no word on why or when it will be open again," reports Popular Mechanics. From the report: "We have decided to vacate the facility at this time as precautionary measure," said spokesperson Shari Lifson to the Alomogordo Daily News. "The Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy who manages the facility is addressing a security issue at this time." Lifson said that the facility was first evacuated on September 6 and has remained closed since then. According to Lifson, the observatory has no date for reopening yet.

As part of the investigation into the security issue, the observatory has contacted the FBI, which has been reported on the scene with multiple agents and a Blackhawk helicopter. According to local sheriff Benny House, the agency has been working with local law enforcement but refuses to share any details. The sheriff speculated that the evacuation could be due to some kind of threat made against the facility or its staff, but expressed confusion as to why local police would be left out of the loop. "If that's the case, why didn't they call us and let us deal with it?" he said. "I don't know why the FBI would get involved so quick and not tell us anything."

UPDATE (9/22/18): A warrant application filed in the case suggests the closure involved an FBI investigation into child pornography.

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  1. Aliens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not going to say it was aliens. But it was aliens. Ancient alien investigators agree.

  2. Andromenda Strain anyone? by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So the Andromeda strain is here.....

    for some strange reason, I loved that movie as a kid. On the other hand, that might explain a lot nowadays...

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    1. Re:Andromenda Strain anyone? by Zorro · · Score: 2

      More likely a training exercise.

      Eight story structure in the middle of nowhere near a large Army base.

      Less people to freak-out than if you did it in NYC or LA.

    2. Re:Andromenda Strain anyone? by CaptainDork · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is actually not farfetched.

      While the telescope was scoping out Andromeda, the observer at the scope licked the glass membrane that separates the photons that hit the mirror from also hitting the tongue.

      Using the field equations put forth by Ben Carson, we find that contamination on one side of the eyepiece and the photoelectric effect on the other side can, within the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, enable quantum tunneling by the Boring Co. ball cap that the observer was wearing at the time.

      Whether this actually happened, we must defer and refer to Schrödinger's cat.

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  3. First probable cause by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Alien conspiracy theories are swirling", which is, from the set of probable causes the most unlikely reason by far. Instead of fantasizing, would be more interesting to list a few of the likely causes.

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    1. Re:First probable cause by neoRUR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yea, they were running out of show ideas and were tired of talking about the Pyramids, so they got proactive and went out there and created their own news.

  4. Espionage ? by hoofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretty Simple really:
    1)Overlooks White Sands Missile Range.
    2)Large Tower.
    3)Suspicion of surveillance devices placed on tower/systems that should not be there.

    1. Re:Espionage ? by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Note also that at least some the Observatory staff are in the loop having seemingly called in the FBI in the first place, but the local police are not. That's pushing me more towards with the epsionage angle too, possibly as a result of the staff having discovered and identified the most likely purpose of some additional equipment on the tower and knowing that would fall under the FBI's jurisdiction. Post Office angle is a bit of a puzzle, but maybe something to do with data exfiltration?

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    2. Re:Espionage ? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who would put surveillance equipment in a solar observatory when its findings are basically public anyway?

      That doesn't make a lot of sense.

    3. Re:Espionage ? by muecksteiner · · Score: 2

      Someone finds an espionage device on the tower?

      The sane response to that would be to send a geek with a screwdriver to unmount it, and have it analysed in a lab. Not to lock everything down, and send a Blackhawk.

      Unless you are also suspecting that any espionage kit you find will be booby-trapped with an insanely strong explosive. But that is pushing things *very* far.

    4. Re:Espionage ? by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative

      The function of the observatory has nothing to do with it, but it does have a large tower that overlooks the White Sands missile range and a couple of airbases used for testing new aviation tech. Besides the benefit of greater altitude and a clear line of sight, the tower also potentially offers a much better place to try and stash some electronic surveillance equipment in the hope that might get overlooked amidst all the legit gear mounted on it compared to trying to figure out a way to locate it in any of the other surrounding viewpoints that also overlook the area.

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    5. Re: Espionage ? by muecksteiner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if it had explosives, the helicopter wouldn't be much use.

      Except to bring in a ordnance disposal team, in case that was the quickest way to get specialists there. Hazmat and bomb disposal people often need a lot of kit, so a larger helicopter like a Blackie can, depending on circumstances and the threat in question, actually be warranted.

    6. Re:Espionage ? by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > The sane response to that would be to send a geek with a screwdriver to unmount it, and have it analysed in a lab. Not to lock everything down, and send a Blackhawk.

      No, because tampering with evidence in what may become a serious federal investigation may get you into even more trouble.

      If this hypothesis is correct, then it makes sense that government spooks would be all over it; They want to secure the device ASAP, keep everyone without adequate security clearance away, and keep the details as secret as possible for as long as possible. Nothing good can come from letting a potential enemy/spy learn about what you may or may not know.
      =Smidge=

    7. Re:Espionage ? by Smidge204 · · Score: 2

      > Instead, they sent the cavalry.

      Without knowing exactly what's going on, there's no way to know if this response is appropriate or unreasonable.

      =Smidge=

    8. Re: Espionage ? by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or if you have to get men and equipment out there, and do it quickly enough so as to not give someone warning before your arrival.

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    9. Re:Espionage ? by number6x · · Score: 2

      They also closed the local post office. So there must have been evidence of something being shipped to the observatory.

      It may have been physical evidence, or it may have been some kind of intelligence gathered.

      I remember one incident when I-25 was shut down because of a shipment of radioactive rebar from Juarez.

      A lot of the press coverage back then was focused on the environmental concerns. I was an undergrad at New Mexico Tech at the time. All of us science and engineering geeks immediately started thinking about the fact that the government must have had detectors for radiation installed at the borders, or along the path the truck traveled. I know that sound pretty standard to most people in the post 9/11 world, but back in the 1980's secret radiation detectors and surveillance were things that only 'evil empire' communist governments did. The good ole' US of A would never have secret detectors deployed in America! How naive we were.

      Who knows what the evidence is in this case causing the shutdown, but the post office closing as well does point to something being shipped there.

      BTW, many of you have probably heard of New Mexico Tech from either the VLA or, more likely, from watching Mythbusters. If you are a first responder who took a terrorist or bomb training course, it may have been at NMT. NMT was a great place to go to school. I could not imagine going to one of those universities most people go to where students are either partying or in class. We were either in class, building stuff, or blowing stuff up. Blowing it up in the name of research, of course!

    10. Re:Espionage ? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Secrecy also protects suspects who may be innocent.

      Hypothetically speaking, rather than announce that "Chinese scientists are spying for China" and end up tarring the reputation of a dozen people, they could do a careful investigation and winnow the suspect list down to the actual 1 or 2 people who are responsible for a particular suspect device.

  5. It's a distraction by HornyBastard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The FBI is just doing this to get the conspiracy nuts to focus their attention on something minor while they do something else that they do not want people to know about.

    (Or they share my sense of humour, and are doing this just to mess with crazy people)

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    1. Re:It's a distraction by blindseer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or it's because the observatory lies on federal land, a national forest.

      The FBI does this quite often, according to a former FBI agent friend of mine. A national forest will have a police force from the US Forest Service but if it's more than they can handle for some reason then they call in for help from the FBI. On some federal properties the FBI is the primary law enforcement. As this observatory, and the land it sits on, is managed by multiple federal government agencies I'm guessing that there are FBI agents there regularly.

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  6. This is embarrassing. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look, guys, it's not whatever you were thinking. I hate to admit it but I'm the reason they shut the place down. Honestly, I had no idea that RIAA would go so crazy that I was torrenting/seeding a crappy Justin Bieber album and ignored the DMCA notices. I'm really sorry, I didn't think it was that big a deal, really. ;)

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  7. Let's have some fun! by war4peace · · Score: 3, Funny

    Big rock coming our way, discovered by that facility. Silence needs to be kept, FBI will do the job.

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  8. Arizona laboratory codenamed by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

    Black Mesa

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    1. Re:Arizona laboratory codenamed by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Black Mesa

      Well, the place is technically full of G Men now

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  9. Occams Razor has ruined fun. by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

    I can't read comments to stuff like this anymore, or imagine away fantastic things.

    It's very likely something exceedingly mundane and or probably the FBI over reacting to something.
    Example, they discovered aliens? Oh no! Shut it down! It's not like any other obs towers exist on earth...

    (Etc)

    It'll be fairly basic stuff. Man be lovely it was some kind of Melancholia scenario but I doubt it.

  10. Must have accidentally caught a glimpse of ... by sajavete · · Score: 2

    Must have accidentally caught a glimpse of the U.S.S. George W. Bush or somesuch ;)

  11. Plausible but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seems to be about 50km away, googling the formula SquareRoot(height above surface / 6.752) = visible distance to horizon (distance in KM, height in cm)
    So about 1688 metres above sea level to see that dar, and Apache Point is 2788m, so its high enough.

    But your talking 50km zoom, like this guys 40km zoom, which clearly cannot be 40km because the horizon would be only about 5km away, he's just not high enough:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=l118uREKNZo

    Meh. Same as this one, claims 50km (Croydon to Wimbledon stadium is only about 6km):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAozLcvQdfw

    Nah.

    It'll be a bomb threat from a religious nutter against a science target. i.e. Global warming isn't real, ergo scientists are crisis actors, or some such bull shit mental insanity

  12. Sunspot Aliens by Donwulff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It says "Sunspot Observatory", I had to Google it and turns out that's actually it's name, but it IS a solar observatory, one that's dedicated to observation of the closest star to our planet. Ie. the Sun. This makes it exceedingly unlikely they would have anything to do with any alien discovery, unless they're some sort of Sun-dwelling variety, it'd be more likely to run into one at a Walmart.

    It also should go without saying (But I'll say it anyway) that it isn't the world's only solar observatory, and the world includes many more countries than USA, so any discovery relating to Sun couldn't be hidden by shutting down this one, nor would it make sense as it'd stop further observations.

    According to article I quickly skimmed, the observatory was founded for radio observations of the sun, and there's mentions of the feds being very interested in the "antennas", so the espionage angle seems almost certain and would necessitate evacuation to prevent tampering with evidence (Perhaps not allowing them to pack their stuff when leaving though, as one article claimed) and continued espionage. Main argument against this is that all sensitive communications would be encrypted nowadays, but still just the existence of certain communications would be a security issue.

  13. Re:Stormy Daniels by bobstreo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly this is the work of the patriarchy.

    FBI finally realizes that Stormy Daniels came from Planet Pussy

    And her relationship with that orange one ...

    E.T. bone home.

  14. Mercury - the metal, not the planet by neilo_1701D · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe this has all been planned in advance:

    NMSU - SSOC Transition Plan

    There's probably less to this story than the conspiracy theorists would like to believe.

    The telescope sits on a liquid mercury bearing. From the linked document (p8):

    Further, the TCS contains significant risk in its older server motors, mercury float bearings, and control software. Regular inspection and
    maintenance is key to the longevity of the TCS. Fully documenting maintenance and risk, and implementing upgrades greatly reduces the risk associated with the TCS. As such, the telescope will be less expensive to operate, and much less liable to catastrophic failure. At minimum, the SSOC will require one telescope control engineer ready to assume full control and maintenance of the TCS in Oct 2018.

    So a mercury spill could be quite hazardous, and if you were of such a mind, that large amount of mercury could be an inviting target to steal.

    1. Re:Mercury - the metal, not the planet by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Informative

      When a train car full of chemicals spills does the FBI show up? No the DEP and EPA handle that. The FBI isn't trained to contain mercury spills and a facility that uses mercury should be able to handle it anyhow.

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    2. Re:Mercury - the metal, not the planet by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      No.

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  15. Re: Darwin candidates? by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, the right lost the right to moralizing when you all turned a blind eye to what you CLAIM to 'abhor' and elected Trump. You also lost any claims to 'the party of fiscal responsibility' at the same time.

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  16. Re:Darwin candidates? by Mal-2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know what really owns the libs? Surfing. Storm surge waves are the best ever, and don't let The Man try to convince you otherwise!

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  17. Local resident here. by wwphx · · Score: 3, Informative

    And my wife works at Apache Point Observatory, a mile away, and thus far unaffected. I've done lots of photography at both sites and been all over the place, inside and out of both telescopes.

    At first I thought it was a manhunt, but they wouldn't exclude local law enforcement, and they wouldn't stay in one area for so long. Then for giggles I watched parts of some of the conspiracy videos on YouTube, and I ran in to a comment that had some resonance. The poster said that he saw a comment on another conspiracy vid (therefore it must be true) that a Chinese spy had been caught with 8 computers spying on Holloman Air Force Base. First off, HAFB is a training base flying F-16s and MQ-9 UAVs, the former have been around for decades and the latter aren't that interesting. Not much secret going on there. Now, perhaps the spy was spying on White Sands Missile Range? He would have done better positioning himself in the Organ Mountains on the other side of the basin, except that's pretty rocky, it would've been much more comfortable hiding in the forest over here. Who knows.

    Some of the other conspiracy theories were amusing. The sun went out! (we'd know it 8 minutes later, and we know how our sun will die). Something dark passed in front of the sun! (several observatories around the world watch the sun all the time and no one else reported anything - and they would have reported it). They found Planet X! (no one else reported it - see previous).

    If we ever get actual information as to what went on, it might be interesting. Or it might not be.

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