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FCC Data Exaggerates Broadband Access On Tribal Lands (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Broadband access in tribal areas is likely even worse than previously thought because Federal Communications Commission data overstates deployment, according to a new report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO). FCC data collection was already known to be suspect throughout the U.S., not just in tribal areas, which in turn makes it difficult for the FCC to target deployment funding to the areas that need it most. Tribal lands have less broadband access than most other parts of the U.S. and thus may be disproportionately affected by the FCC's data collection problems.

"Residents of tribal lands have lower levels of broadband Internet access relative to the U.S. as a whole, but the digital divide may be greater than currently thought," the GAO wrote. "FCC data overstated tribes' broadband availability and access to broadband service. These overstatements limit FCC and tribal users' ability to target broadband funding to tribal lands." Despite the well-known broadband access problems in tribal areas, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has been trying to limit the Lifeline subsidies that help tribal residents purchase Internet access. A federal appeals court recently blocked Pai's attempt to take a broadband subsidy away from tribal areas.

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  1. Headline contains unnecessary words by fibonacci8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FCC Data Exaggerates Broadband Access

    The lobbyists just forgot to do something about that particular group being allowed to complain.

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    1. Re:Headline contains unnecessary words by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Exactly. They exaggerate access everywhere else (e.g. if, as self-reported by ISP X, anyone in the county has the option for broadband from ISP X, everyone in the county is regarded as having broadband access offered from ISP X according to the FCC’s current methodology, even if it’s just that one customer actually being offered broadband), so they’re simply being consistent here.

    2. Re:Headline contains unnecessary words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the fcc isn't the ones exaggerating.. this time. it's the lying, cheating, money-grabbing, grant-stealing telcos that serve these areas. the tribal lands around me in the midwest have virtually no high speed internet past about a mile from the 'developed' part (which happens to be the closest part to town and within the distance limits of dsl served from equipment there.. a corner store, tribal offices.. not much else), and even then all that's available is about 5-6mbit dsl max, on a good day, with good lines (of which, there isn't much. it's mostly decades-old infrastructure from a time you spun a dial to call someone.. or earlier). there is no cable. there is no fiber. there is poor cell reception (if any), and that will get worse as verizon shuts down cdma in a year's time. satellite is their only other option. and satellite is NOT a suitable alternative to wireline service. latency is far too high and usage limits are too low for the high cost. there are as many people who live out there as in town, yet they are not adequately served by the incumbent telco, nor will the cable company from town build out there.

    3. Re:Headline contains unnecessary words by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      However in this particular story about tribal lands there are additional legal issues involved. There are "Lifeline" subsidies involved here, and the FCC was using incorrect data in its attempt to remove the subsidies.

  2. Native's Hrumph by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Can't have the natives sharing broadband communications, might get uppity about their rights or lack there of. The establishment response, let's not kid about, 'FUCK EM'. Might complain about polluting their land, stealing their resources, killing their people, the rest of the world might really hear how the US government Federal, State and Local, abuses native Americans upon a routine and regular basis. I am Australian and this message is brought to you by the way the Australian government, Federal, State and Local abuse the 'Nunga People' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (I am South Australia and that is the most accurate regional nomenclature, not a fucking adjective).

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    1. Re:Native's Hrumph by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Whatever. It is 2018 and this is the US, not aboriginal Australia. If you have ever been to a US tribal land you would soon realize that people there aren't concerned about pollution or whatever drivel you are sprouting. They are just regular people. Now they are in the casino business. The idea that native Americans are running around saving the environment is ignorant.

    2. Re:Native's Hrumph by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The idea that native Americans are running around saving the environment is ignorant.

      Some tribes care more about the environment than others. The idea that you can paint all native Americans with the same brush is ignorant.

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    3. Re:Native's Hrumph by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Some PEOPLE care more about the environment than others. Native Americans are just people. The idea that they are some sort of mystical people who protect the environment is comical.

    4. Re:Native's Hrumph by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Missed the point. Native Americans are "regular people" just like any other group of people. They have a mix of people with different beliefs, etc. Obviously no one here has visited a tribal land (outside of a casino)

    5. Re:Native's Hrumph by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The idea that they are some sort of mystical people who protect the environment is comical.

      No, it's disingenuous. The only person who's suggested it is you.

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  3. It is usually very convenient by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    to support your position when you make up the data only to support your position.

    I guess maybe someone hacked the FCC again to produce these outright lies. /s

    1. Re:It is usually very convenient by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Don't fall for it. This is all part of Trump's plan to encourage everyone not to depend on the federal government and to do things themselves. It's a trick! Keep the power in the federal government where it belongs. Don't let locals take control, that's the worst possible outcome. The educated people know best, leave it in their hands. Don't let Trump succeed.

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  5. Better Article at The Register by Passman · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Register has a better article on this here.
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/13/fcc_broadband_data_garbage/

    They do a pretty good job of breaking down why the FCC data is so flawed and also why this report only deals with Tribal Lands.

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  6. Re:No surprise by El+Cubano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like the rest of this administration, the FCC is a criminal enterprise now (emphasis added)

    Nice job, Trump voters

    I just knew that this sort of thing was going to crop up in this discussion. Let me share a few quotes from the report:

    According to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), as of December 2016, 35.4 percent of Americans residing on tribal lands lacked access to fixed broadband services, compared to 7.7 percent of all Americans.

    owever, in 2016 we reported that tribal and federal officials had concerns that the federal map of broadband availability at the time (the National Broadband Map) did not accurately depict broadband availability on tribal lands.

    The federal government has not updated the National Broadband Map since April 2015, with the last update containing data as of June 30, 2014.

    To address both objectives, we analyzed FCCâ(TM)s December 2016â"the most recent data at the time of our review

    In case it isn't obvious, all of those statements clearly indicate that the data and analysis are from prior to Trump taking office. Now, the Trump administration has done plenty that is worthy of criticism, but so did the Obama administration. Yet, I see plenty of Republicans willing to openly criticize Trump, but hardly any Democrats willing to criticize Obama, Hillary, etc.

    If the strategy is to always blame the other side, even when your side was the source or a major part of the problem, then it is difficult to actually fix anything.

    Unemployment numbers are a good example. Democrats continually complained that Bush wasn't using the "real" numbers since U3 (I think it is) does not accurately reflect labor participation, among other things. They same complaint is being made about Trump. Interestingly, the methodology remained unchanged under Obama, yet I cannot recall a single instance of a prominent Democrat or the media calling out Obama for fudging the unemployment numbers.

    And lest you think that I am biased against Obama and the Democrats, the Republicans do the same thing. Listen to a Republican rant and rave about Obama racking up more debt then every previous president put together. Then ask what the majority party was in Congress that sent him spending bills for 6 of the 8 years of his presidency.

    Seriously, own it when your own side is wrong and then get to work fixing it.

  7. Tribal bribes by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's my understanding that anyone that wishes to build cellular infrastructure on tribal land must go through the FCC. Then,by law, the FCC must send out notifications to every tribe in the US (regardless of being states away) and ask if they have a vested interest in that tiny plot of land to be used. If "Yes", the tribe must make an offer.

    So what do you know, every tribe comes out of the woodwork and demands fee. That gets real expensive in a hurry!

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  8. Relying on government by mi · · Score: 1

    What better way to keep a population compliant and docile, than by conditioning them to believe, that government — and its officially-sanctioned monopolies — is the source of all the important things: food, shelter, electricity and other utilities, healthcare, and now the Internet service?

    At what point did we collectively swallow the patent falsehood, that without the benevolent and omniscient government officials none of those things would've been available — and that any self-evident problems encountered are due to a particular official being insufficiently benevolent or omniscient, rather simply that whatever government does is done poorly?

    This is all to ask, why do we need FCC at all?

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  9. Socialism by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    When we put the indians on "tribal" lands, and said "we'll take care of you", provide them with housing, food, medial etc...it was a perfect example of government instituted SOCIALISM. How's that worked out for them? And people are hell bent on having the entire country embrace communism/socialism? NO THANK YOU!

  10. Re:Steven King, author, dead at 70 by bobbied · · Score: 1

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead.

    I just searched Google and Twitter and there are no stories about it yet. I guess if Google doesn't know then it's likely not true or he just died seconds ago?

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  11. Please read the article. So misleading. by GregMmm · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I was curious of what was going on here. Had the FCC in the last 2 years suddenly gave the shaft to tribal lands? Here is an quote from the article:

    "As of December 2016, only 64.6 percent of tribal areas had access to home Internet services with speeds of at least 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up, for example. Those speeds were available in 69.3 percent of rural areas and 97.9 percent of urban areas."

    First, who was in control of the FCC on December 2016? Not who's controlling it now. Where was the outcry then!!!
    Second, the data from tribal areas compared to rural areas is nearly the same. The comparison to urban areas doesn't make sense. Most of the tribal land is not urbanized. (and i believe a lot of Native Americans would prefer it that way)

    So the article proves the following:
    When President Obama was in office this "horrific" FCC mentality was firmly in place. How dare he, and his corrupt FCC!!

    I wrote this not to put down the former president, or elevate the current president and his FCC. I believe people need to be able to look at facts and make informed decisions. Please people, don't allow anyone to hijack your thoughts by pandering to your "political lean". Do some quick research and be a better person for it.

  12. Re:No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    'FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has been trying to limit the Lifeline subsidies that help tribal residents purchase Internet access', this is the issue, not when the data was collected.

    But, please, don't let the fact that your apologist attempt to deflect was so blatantly obvious that everyone who read it knew exactly what was your intent stop you from, "what about Obama??!!!???", gas lighting. We understand what a reach y'all Trumpette's are having to go to these days.

  13. Re: Tribal bribes - look a lie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/systems-utilities/tower-construction-notifications

    It's right there. Now AC, learn to wipe your own ass after you take a shit

  14. Re:Steven King, author, dead at 70 by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

    YHBT. YHL. HAND.

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  15. High speed Internet on tribal lands? by wyattstorch516 · · Score: 1

    I thought the whole point of these tribal lands was to allow the natives to live the same lifestyle as their ancestors. Why is the federal government promoting the white man's technology there?