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AMD's Vega Graphics Are Coming To Gaming Laptops (tomshardware.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the new-and-improved dept.

Paul Alcorn reporting for Tom's Hardware: AMD listed the Ryzen 7 2800H and the Ryzen 5 2600H on its website. These new processors bring the inherent goodness of the Raven Ridge architecture, found in the Ryzen 5 2400G and the Ryzen 3 2200G, to gaming notebooks. As such, these processors come with AMD's Zen compute cores paired with the Vega graphics architecture, and they are also AMD's first processors to support DDR4-3200 as a base specification. Both new models feature a similar design as their desktop counterparts, albeit with slightly redesigned in frequencies to adjust for the flimsy cooling in mobile form factors and battery life limitations. That's reflected in the processors' reduced 45W TDP (thermal design power), which is much lower than the 65W TDP found on the desktop parts. AMD does give vendors some wiggle room with a configurable TDP (cTDP) range that spans between 35W and 45W.

The Ryzen 7 2800H is analogous to the 2400G, but it comes with a 3.3 GHz base and 3.8 GHz boost clocks. The four-core, eight-thread CPU is complemented by Vega graphics with 11 CU (Compute Unit) clocked up to a max of 1,300 MHz, which is a nice boost over its desktop counterpart. The Ryzen 5 2600H is similar to the 2200G, but it's four cores are hyper-threaded, which is a big bonus. The Vega graphics come with 8 CUs and boost up to 1,100 MHz.

62 comments

  1. The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    See here for a rough guess. It'd different hardware, but it's more or less what I'm expecting these to be sporting.

    The trouble is I've seen laptops with the mobile version of the GTX 1060 in them for under $900 bucks and, well, they out perform Vega and draw less power while generating less heat. The problem isn't that Vega isn't good, it's that nVidia's offerings are still better.

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    1. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you're certainly right about NVIDIA having better graphics right now, I think AMD CPUs are much safer to run right now than the Intel counterparts. Both have spectre issues but Intel's really dropped the ball on security and they also won't tell anyone about it except Microsoft and a few Linux devs. Ryzen all the way until intel gets their act together.

    2. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem isn't that Vega isn't good, it's that nVidia's offerings are still better.

      I'd rather have less performance and play older games than support nVidia's tomfoolery with review terms and other bollocks. If AMD has figured out how to write a video driver, and if they've finally started releasing enough information for there to be a good free driver in a timely fashion, then I for one would prefer an AMD solution. And now that I'm over fiddling and diddling my PC endlessly and just want it to work, I may even consider something with an APU.

      (composed on a desktop system with a FX-8350 and dual GTX 950s)

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    3. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've got an i7-8705G with the on-package Vega M GL. First ATI/AMD GPU i've owned in... a very long time.
      It isn't the best value or performance I could get, even per dollar, but I just wanted it because I thought it was cool to have an AMD GPU paired onto an Intel mobile chip.

      Anyway, to the point- I've been pleasantly surprised. Haven't had any problems with the thing, and the performance is better than I've ever had in a laptop before.

    4. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GPU on these is real Vega though not Polaris pretending to be Vega like on the 8705G. They are quite a bit more powerful than the dieâ(TM)s that AND sell to intel. Itâ(TM)s just the cpu. The GPUs are now good enough. I just wish AMD would release a cpu with better single threaded performance then they would actually gain some market share

    5. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yawn.
      It's not quite that simple. The core itself appears to have more in common with a Polaris than a Vega, but it has dedicated HBM on-die and the high-bandwidth cache controller, while the Vega 8 in the Ryzen 2200 doesn't. So what it really comes down to is, "what is Vega?" to which I answer- "Whatever AMD says is."

      I rate your comment 0 stars.

    6. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If thatâ(TM)s what you genuinely think then you completely mis understand the spectre issue and mis understand what vendors are doing to mitigate it. AMD cpus are still susceptible just like intels, the main difference is that AMD just pretend they are not affected. Hence why Microsoft had to pull the new range of Threadripper servers from Azure for enterprise clients that have security cover contracts in place

      Where do you AMD shills get your info from? Every post than mentions AMD brings out your crazy motherâ(TM)s and you all seem to have a competition to see who can post the biggest load of uninformed nonsense

    7. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really is that simple, Iâ(TM)m sorry that you are butthurt and that you bought something that you didnâ(TM)t understand properly but by AMDs very own definition of VEGA and AMDs own admittance they they are not actual VEGA GPUs. Tacking HBM onto Polaris doesnâ(TM)t magically turn them into VEGA GPU cores, however much you want them too. Even adding another couple of extra tweaks still doesnâ(TM)t make them VEGA, it makes them previous gen Polaris with tweaks

      I can see that you desperately want to keep deluding yourself but that doesnâ(TM)t make it real. Your parents should have instilled this in you more when you were younger. Now that you are a teenager itâ(TM)s much harder to control those tantrum impulses when mommy always told you that you were right and special. Unfortunately for you reality is now showing you that you were wrong and stupid. Learn from it and stop crying

    8. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 2

      Being HBM and the HBCC are two of the defining characteristics of a Vega core (AMDs words, not mine), I guess the Vega 8 on the Ryzen 2200 isn't a Vega either.
      No, it's not that simple. Stupid people love to simplify that which they don't understand. Makes the world easier to swallow for them. Carry on, soldier ;)

    9. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Green and grass are two of the major defining characteristics of a football field. Does that make all things green and grass football fields? Idiot

    10. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1
      Also, the Vega M GL mops the floor with all currently released APU Vega 8/11 parts.
      I think you should read this.
      It was well known that the Vega in the Kaby Lake-G parts was some kind of Polaris Hybrid. Nobody fooled anyone. And the Vegas in the AMD APUs are some kind of neutered Vega with Polaris memory buses. I knew this when I bought the laptop. As did anyone who did their homework.
      Was there some kind of point you were trying to make, anyway? Because I really don't think you did anything other than make yourself look stupid.

      One more time, in case you're just a little thick instead of terminally stupid: No APU on the market fits the AMD whitepaper description of "Vega". But AMD calls them all Vegas, so I guess we will too.

      AMDs own admittance they they are not actual VEGA GPUs.

      Also, you made that up, lol. Making shit up always does your argument good. No, really.

    11. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Vega core design is THE major characteristic though. And your GPU has tweaked Polaris cores not VEGA

      Is that really that difficult for you to understand? You, like many others who bothered to go and get refunds, were conned

      Now if the performance is acceptable for you thatâ(TM)s great, the 8705 is a great little chip but that doesnâ(TM)t turn it into what it isnâ(TM)t and neither does it make your child like self delusional true

    12. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Oh god, lol.
      I can't believe that was your argument.
      No, you're right. 2 / 5 makes it no longer a football field.
      But 3 / 5? Definitely football field.

    13. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      No, child. Vega is an architecture.
      Educate yourself, kiddo.

    14. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I love jealous, children.
      Maybe if you're a good boy, mommy will purchase you a new Vega 11 that's slower than the Vega M.
      Probably not though. You don't sound like you come from money, or class, or even a household with a generous disposition ;)

    15. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      That's like saying "I'd rather eat Carob and follow LDS teachings than eat Chocolate."

      I don't give a shit about tomfoolery. I want the best I can get.

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    16. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Subor looks like a vagina. Just sayin.

    17. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're just trolling. It takes 5 minutes to look up the information.

    18. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps Vega APU doesn't have HBCC, but HBCC is a feature on dedicated GPUs to deal with two memory pools (including the system memory). Real Vega APU like the Ryzen 2200 has only one physical memory pool. Though there's still the "reserved VRAM" setting in BIOS which you probably need for compatibility anyway. Tests show that you can set this reserved RAM at the lowest setting and still get adequate 3D performance (but maybe a few % slower than if set at 2GB) so this is managed adequately anyway.
      GPU and CPU can shared a single memory space. That's a significant feature. You can get this on an expensive special POWER9 + Nvidia system. About no existing software benefits though.

    19. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If AMD has figured out how to write a video driver, and if they've finally started releasing enough information for there to be a good free driver in a timely fashion, then I for one would prefer an AMD solution. And now that I'm over fiddling and diddling my PC endlessly and just want it to work, I may even consider something with an APU.

      Even a year ago we could definitely consider that AMD has a free driver as their main official driver on Linux. It's the one they expect you to use and they support for games!
      The closed source driver still is there but for working around compatibility issues and for "pro" users, think CAD software and the like.

      Vega graphics cards don't perform amazingly well though.
      On Linux, this gets worse with distros that have a somewhat old kernel, Xorg, MESA etc. So you need to consider options like following a bleeding edge rolling release, or an adequate ppa repository on Ubuntu. (chosen in the range from "point release updates to the stable graphics stack" to "breaks daily")

    20. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you overclocking your Iphone or just retarded at typing comments on slashdot generally? You would think with the thousands of dollars you've wasted on crappy extortionware Nvidia you'd have learned by now, lol.

    21. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      I'd rather have less performance and play older games than support nVidia's tomfoolery with review terms and other bollocks. If AMD has figured out how to write a video driver, and if they've finally started releasing enough information for there to be a good free driver in a timely fashion, then I for one would prefer an AMD solution.

      That is very definitely the case currently, in fact AMD now does most of the work on the open source AMDGPU driver, the old proprietary drive is deprecated, and other than a few ancient oddball chipsets it supports and AMDGPU does not, there is no discernible reason to use it. In terms of performance, Radeon + AMDGPU is great, especially with Vulkan, where it outperforms nVidia. Does well in OpenGL too, but everything is moving to Vulkan so except for some legacy games that aren't really that demanding compared to current generation stuff, it doesn't really matter. Basically all good news with open source + Radeon now.

      I see 580's going for $250 on Amazon right now, that should be more than enough to tide me over until 7nm Radeons become a thing in 2019-2020. I guess I will skip Vega 64 because of the mining bubble.

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    22. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Vega APU doesn't have HBCC, but HBCC is a feature on dedicated GPUs to deal with two memory pools (including the system memory).

      Kind of... More accurately, it's a controller that turns dedicated VRAM into a gigantic cache for system memory.

      Real Vega APU like the Ryzen 2200 has only one physical memory pool.

      That is true.

      Tests show that you can set this reserved RAM at the lowest setting and still get adequate 3D performance (but maybe a few % slower than if set at 2GB) so this is managed adequately anyway.

      Of course there's little change- "VRAM" and "System" RAM are the same. The partitioning is virtual.

      GPU and CPU can shared a single memory space.

      They can, but they must communicate over a bus. In this instance, it's the PCIe bus, and while it's one peppy bus, it's not a silly-wide local data bus.

      That's a significant feature.

      It's a significant cost-saving exercise... Which should be lauded as such, but let's not try to pretend it has some kind of performance benefit.
      System RAM is slow, talking over a slower bus.
      There is a reason discrete GPUs have dedicated VRAM.

    23. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      especially with Vulkan, where it outperforms nVidia

      In performance per dollar, very solidly. In raw performance, the 1080Ti is still king by a very large margin, even in Vulkan applications.

    24. Re:The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more forgiving on desktop where it's much simpler to upgrade a you. Onnotebooks, I want the best or close that I can get from the get go as sure in theory mxm allows upgrades, but add in possible bios whitelusting, cooling, peer, etc. It ends as a pita

    25. Re: The performance #'s I've seen have been OK by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      The GPUs are now good enough

      Thank God; it's been over twenty years since I [quite foolishly] advised a friend to buy nV's first 3D card (Diamond Edge 4MB PCI w/nV1 and audio-out - a $600 fiasco).

      So relieved that this farce is over... that is what you were meaning to say, right??

  2. Re:To be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's probably better you don't tell us how you feel about the Special Olympics..

  3. Re:To be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To be honest, who asked for the uninformed-yet-somehow-opinionated moron's take? ATI has nothing to do with any of this. Laptop refreshes of new graphics hardware is nothing new, it's as good as it's ever been now.

    And it doesn't sound like you're making a lot of purchases, so why are you filling up slashdot's infinite space for useless opine with YOUR personal vanilla-lite preferences anyway? No offense but go fall off a cruise ship.

  4. Anyone know how to enable HT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the 2200G.

    Because to me that merely looks like a software feature. Firmware at best.
    So ... anyond got a link to a patch?

    1. Re:Anyone know how to enable HT? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's a bios setting.

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  5. So let's have a decent buyable laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So far, the Ryzen laptops I've seen all seem to be crippled in various ways like dismal heat control or soldered in memory or no exposed ports. Almost as it Intel is paying the vendors to tarnish the Ryzen reputation while they try to come up with a competitive non-broken lineup. Come on, let's make one where an R7 benchmarks faster than an R5!. I'm shaking my money at you vendors.

    1. Re:So let's have a decent buyable laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mass market laptop is at 15 watts for one chip with combined CPU+GPU, hence AMD had to launch there first. It doesn't work exactly great. Maybe firmware updates can soften up the issue a bit if the laptop vendors follow through (Apple even fucked up on this very issue on their latest "pro" laptop this year!) albeit the silicon just doesn't perform well enough when crippled too much.

      "Gaming" or "workstation" or "business" laptop without dedicated GPU but with ample enough power and cooling would work. This could have lots of full size ports, especially video outputs - can run four displays on this APU. Real storage slots wired directly to the CPU. I wonder if they'd do a laptop with four RAM slots. Tripling the RAM or more to extend its life wouldn't hurt. I had an AMD system with 80MB RAM all these years ago, it would be nice to have a laptop with 80GB RAM.

  6. Re:To be honest by zippo01 · · Score: 0

    cruise ships are lame.

  7. Silvergun comparing discrete with on-Cpu gfx? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can't seriously be comparing discrete graphics with on-APU graphics speed 1:1, can you? You aren't this simple are you?

    1. Re: Silvergun comparing discrete with on-Cpu gfx? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatâ(TM)s wrong with the comparison? What in your simple but fucked up little mind makes you think itâ(TM)s it a good comparison?

    2. Re: Silvergun comparing discrete with on-Cpu gfx? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, someone accusing someone of having a "fucked up little mind" while spewing "Apple can't code" crap all over his post. That's actually funny.

  8. in reality, AMD's Linux support is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    AMD has open-source drivers and kernel support for its newest line of GPUs, APUs and CPUs.
    Nvidia still requires developers to reverse-engineer drivers for them to be free.
    And Intel has simply stopped being an qualified as an option, with their products being hack sieve,if they hadn't already with their criminal monopolistic bullying tactics against competitors.

    1. Re: in reality, AMD's Linux support is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh no. Maybe you just don't use newer linux distrobutions or you're trolling. I had both an NVidia graphics card, GCN 1.x AMD laptop, and an AMD Polaris based graphics card. Since Polaris linux driver support has been great. I don't need to worry that every time a rolling distribution updates that the kernel updates will break the graphics driver as now it's nearly all open source with AMD.

    2. Re: in reality, AMD's Linux support is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your amazingly in-depth response really gives your side of the argument the upper hand.

    3. Re: in reality, AMD's Linux support is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need to worry that every time a rolling distribution updates that the kernel updates will break the graphics driver as now it's nearly all open source with AMD.

      That problem has already been solved with DKMS, but maybe you just don't use newer linux distributions.

    4. Re: in reality, AMD's Linux support is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That problem has already been solved with DKMS,

      When it works. Which it doesn't always. And then you're stuck in 1998, which while still manageable compared to when Windows decides to throw a spanner, still is completely unnecessary.

      TLDR; Nvidia and their drivers are liabilities no matter how you slice it, and there really is no need to use their products.

  9. Re:To be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N1ggers like you should be convincing Tim Cocksucker to build MacBook Pussy with AMD.

  10. Re: To be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol the angry 12 year old whoâ(TM)s mommy will only buy him AMD is :)

    Welcome back Downâ(TM)s syndrome child, please post more stuff so we can laugh some more

  11. Re:To be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo. Why do you think I tailored that suggestion specifically for you, tourist?

  12. Try anything old & weird? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    something like Psychonauts or No One Lives Forever or Need for Speed Hot Pursuit (or Underground)?

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    1. Re:Try anything old & weird? by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Yes. The biggest problem I've had with the old stuff is getting DX8 and 9 to not shit its pants while struggling between accepting that I have a 4K screen, and 2 GPUs
      So far, I have managed to successfully get everything old I've tried to run, after a bit of work.
      Most common fix was setting desktop resolution to 1080P before running game.

    2. Re:Try anything old & weird? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've just heard of QRes as a piece of software to change desktop resolution when running old games on the fly, but in the context of running Windows 95 in a PC emulator. This issue used to be about e.g. a game that assumes 640x480 in 256 colors!

      The emulator is called PCem and I plan to get it working some day but it requires extremely high single-thread performance such as a modern 4GHz Intel to emulate a Pentium 166 smoothly. (it doesn't support i686)

  13. How about AMD get some graphics to desktops? by AbRASiON · · Score: 0

    They seem very content with having not just slightly but significantly slower video cards on the desktop. I know nvidia has a bit more firepower but man is AMD behind and they seem stuck there (and I don't even play PC games anymore! I just enjoy reading about the tech)

    While they're damn well at it, AMD those Snowy Owl (Epyc 3000) chips? Shovel them out somewhere, drop the price, DO something. Announced 21'st of Feb and our first review was from leaked non standard hardware via ServeTheHome just last week.

    Those chips sound fantastic for a NAS, / SOHO servers, HP MicroServers etc. However we're 7 months since announce and there's literally 1 board in existence.

    Sigh.

    1. Re:How about AMD get some graphics to desktops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know what you're talking about lol. If you want to pay double, you can achieve a ~20% gain over AMD for 6 months or so. Big win lol? The rest is paying developers to cripple products with money they stole from hapless rubes.

      Meanwhile Perf/Price you can build a better box for less money with all AMD, which is what most people care about, not having last-inch epeen for thousands of dollars more like a moron, lol.

    2. Re:How about AMD get some graphics to desktops? by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      They seem very content with having not just slightly but significantly slower video cards on the desktop.

      Only true for obsolete single-threaded game engines. With Vulkan or DX12, Radeons generally dominate. Personally I don't care a whole lot about old broken stuff, I like shiny new.

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    3. Re:How about AMD get some graphics to desktops? by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about their GPU's you irrelevant piece of garbage, not the CPUs.

      Also, they use a shitload more power. They are simply not competitive in this arena, either drop GPU prices 25%, or release something faster.

  14. price points aren't relative by deathguppie · · Score: 1

    The problem I've noticed is that even with the lower cost of both the CPU's and the mainboard laptop manufacturers are pricing them directly across from intel/nvidia combo's. I don't think at that price point I'm going to choose AMD.

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  15. Pah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VGA! Talk about a return to the past...They will reintroduce CRTs too? AMD is finished.

  16. FGLRX vs Opensource by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ATI has never really be all that great, given it eh linux support.

    The Linux support of Radeons (back in ATI time) relying on the proprietary FGLRX driver : yes, it wasn't stellar.

    The thing is, that was a long time ago.
    Since then, AMD has massively invested into opensource development (lots of devs on their payroll).

    Modern day opensource stack works very nicely, including latest bells and whistles (supports openGL 4.5, supports vulkan - actually two different drivers available, RADV written by mesa devs, and AMDVLK recently open-sourced by AMD devs).

    (This comes as the result of giant re-writing efforts from AMD, where they basically rewrote their drivers from scratch, with the intent to make cross-platform drivers that share as much as possible code between (which includes Windows, Linux, but also the tons of various other custom platforms), and have the Linux portions fully opensourced, eventually. But because this meant that massive parts of this new efforts did got written by devs with less Linux experience than the previous wave of opensource efforts at AMD, that also meant that often the kernel code did need lots of polishing before reaching quality necessary to be accepted upstream : hence the long-drawn story behind DAL/DC, behind AMDKFD/ROCm/OpenCL, AMDVLK/XGL/PAL, etc.
    Took some time, but it's totally worth it, both from the end-user point of view (great quality opensource code with corporate support) and AMD's point of view (lots of shared bits across their platforms means easier to develop and less efforts. Newer GPU gets much faster support) )

    Using a rolling distro (e.g.: like openSUSE's Tumbleweed) to frequently get driver & kernel updates, is a good idea.

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  17. AMD drivers on Linux by DrYak · · Score: 1

    and if they've finally started releasing enough information for there to be a good free driver in a timely fashion,

    Oh, boy ! Have things changed since last time you've had a look.

    AMD goes much beyond that. They don't only release information. They release code, and they have opensource developer on their own payroll.

    End result: Mesa has opengl 4.5 support, Mesa has RADV vulkan driver, AMD has opensourced AMDVLK, and the latest bits to get ROCm/OpenCL 2.x are on their way to get accepted into upstream kernel.

    (Plus the current opensource drivers offering stems from an effort at AMD to rewrite their own stack from scratch to have as many bits shared cross platform between Windows, Linux and their other "custom" platform, and the Linux variation thereof completely open-sourced.
    So AMD actually benefits from this whole stuff as much as Linux end-users do. And means faster development)

    If you're interested into free drivers, as long as you use a rolling Linux distribution (e.g.: Tumbleweed) so you can fastly benefit from the latest driver upgrade, and maybe don't jump on newer graphic cards on release day (there might still be bugs here and there), you should be golden.

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    1. Re:AMD drivers on Linux by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      amdgpu is pretty awesome these days. Works out of the box, and performance is respectable. My only complaint is the required DRI_PRIME=1 for using the AMD GPU in hybrid IGP+discrete setups.
      My desktop has an nVidia + Intel IGP, and in the nVidia driver control app, I can just set it to just use the nVidia all the time.

      To anyone using amdgpu on a debian derivative- I recommend oibaf's daily Mesa builds. It contains the most recent drivers, and it really makes a difference.

  18. Linux stability now great with Raven Ridge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux stability now is great with Raven Ridge, I had loads of problems initially in March with my 2400g, in May the max uptime was still limited to about 2 weeks.
    After so many BIOS, firmware and kernel updates this system today has over 110 days uptime.
    Headless, mind, but still. Yeah, needed the graphics just to install...

    aRTee

    1. Re:Linux stability now great with Raven Ridge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's depressing how convoluted it is to get a serial console these days. Why won't anyone think of the headless people? :>

  19. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Intel forecasting some CPU supply limitations, this could not come at a better time. Having 2 viable CPU manufacturers in the PC space makes for a better marketplace for customers.

    Go AMD! And Intel, get your sh*t together, seriously, you took a big manufacturing process lead and squandered it.